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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 07:22:03 AM

Title: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 07:22:03 AM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/fg-commission-looks-manage-nonresident-hunters-and-seeks-nonresident-fee-increase


looks like a good start. hopefully some semblance of what there talking about goes through. fee hike is a guarantee but man would it be awesome to limit non res tags by unit.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: hunterofelk on September 05, 2019, 08:19:29 AM
I'll probably never hunt Idaho.  Montana, yes.  Montana seems to want my business.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 08:24:48 AM
one down...
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 7mmfan on September 05, 2019, 08:37:27 AM
Nice to see someone giddy about fellow hunters getting priced out of hunting. Way to be a team player.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: Apples on September 05, 2019, 08:53:01 AM
I have heard that one of the reasons Idaho was able to keep there prices lower for their residents was the sale of non resident tags helped off set the difference, I would think this to be true since IFG sends me reminders all year long to not forget to purchase my license! If they are trying to slow down the sale of their non resident licences they will eventually have to reach into the pockets of the residents to make up the short fall. I always think its interesting when people complain about out of state hunters yet not only are they paying a premium to play but also helping the surrounding communities economies.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 08:54:33 AM
I have heard that one of the reasons Idaho was able to keep there prices lower for their residents was the sale of non resident tags helped off set the difference, I would think this to be true since IFG sends me reminders all year long to not forget to purchase my license! If they are trying to slow down the sale of their non resident licences they will eventually have to reach into the pockets of the residents to make up the short fall. I always think its interesting when people complain about out of state hunters yet not only are they paying a premium to play but also helping the surrounding communities economies.

i buy the second tags at non rez price. trust me they'll still sellout
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: Apples on September 05, 2019, 08:57:58 AM
So it sounds to me that you just dont want non resident hunters coming to Idaho? Do you hunt other states or Idaho only?
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 08:59:40 AM
@lord grizzly
Here's a suggestion from me to you. If you're opposed to out of state hunters coming to Idaho, you might consider spending more time on an Idaho hunting forum and less time on a Washington hunting forum.
You making threads like this are part of the problem with hunting and a lack of unity among hunters.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: blackpowderhunter on September 05, 2019, 09:01:19 AM
idaho residents continue to complain about non resident hunters being the big influx.  non res tags are limited to a quota, and have been selling out for a while (im talking elk here).  they'll still sell out after a price hike, maybe not as fast, but they will.  i would'nt be complaining about the non residents coming in as their tag revenue is astronomical.
here's the kicker.
let's look at the real variable here.....idaho RESIDENT growth..  :sry:
i'm not trying to start an argument here as it looks like idaho prices are just getting more in line with other western states for non res...just be glad idaho isnt like colorado..between deer, elk, pronghorn in 2018, colorado sold 88k tags. yes 88,000.
Non resident in idaho currently pays about 570 bucks for a tag and license(proposed will be 833 for tag and license)...a resident can pay like 150 bucks and get all their big game tags and a hunting/fishing license..or roughly 50 bucks for an elk tag and license.
so..simple math, if non residents JUST bought an elk tag and a license...you guys are all bitchin and moanin about people bringing in roughly $8M in additional revenue to help your resources? jeez
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 09:37:21 AM
Grizzly Lord probably moved to Idaho from another state.
Many that do begin to take on this mentality once they become a "resident".
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: vandeman17 on September 05, 2019, 09:47:41 AM
More quality knowledge and insight brought to you by Lord Grizzly the all knowing.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: blackpowderhunter on September 05, 2019, 09:48:44 AM
More quality knowledge and insight brought to you by Lord Grizzly the all knowing.
i was hoping you'd see this thread  :chuckle:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: vandeman17 on September 05, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
More quality knowledge and insight brought to you by Lord Grizzly the all knowing.
i was hoping you'd see this thread  :chuckle:

 :DOH:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 10:14:23 AM
Grizzly Lord probably moved to Idaho from another state.
Many that do begin to take on this mentality once they become a "resident".

I'm with you.
It would be interesting to hear whether we're correct or not.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: syoungs on September 05, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
More quality knowledge and insight brought to you by Lord Grizzly the all knowing.
i was hoping you'd see this thread  :chuckle:

 :DOH:

Pricing hunters out of hunting, that's 101 stuff man. though everyone knew that this was a good thing...
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: vandeman17 on September 05, 2019, 10:18:59 AM
More quality knowledge and insight brought to you by Lord Grizzly the all knowing.
i was hoping you'd see this thread  :chuckle:

 :DOH:

Pricing hunters out of hunting, that's 101 stuff man. though everyone knew that this was a good thing...

As long as those hunters are hunting down hill. Its the only way to kill something
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: syoungs on September 05, 2019, 10:20:41 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 10:45:54 AM
Grizzly Lord probably moved to Idaho from another state.
Many that do begin to take on this mentality once they become a "resident".

I'm with you.
It would be interesting to hear whether we're correct or not.

Of course we are right and if not the mods will make it so.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 11:01:11 AM
@lord grizzly
Here's a suggestion from me to you. If you're opposed to out of state hunters coming to Idaho, you might consider spending more time on an Idaho hunting forum and less time on a Washington hunting forum.
You making threads like this are part of the problem with hunting and a lack of unity among hunters.

just a link form the fish and game web site. guess your not interested
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 11:06:44 AM
Alaska, over 30 years ago as a child (or so). kinda go where the folks take ya. am i worthy yet internet judges?

why blow me up ?. its my (sorry) the real Idaho residents game department making this suggestion?  you need to call up headquarters and tell them how much they need to be looking out for Washington residents because you guys are waaaay more Idaho then us. too funny
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: Buckhunter24 on September 05, 2019, 11:07:27 AM
Grizzly Lord probably moved to Idaho from another state.
Many that do begin to take on this mentality once they become a "resident".

Thats a fact and the posesiveness sure is odd
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: blackpowderhunter on September 05, 2019, 11:10:02 AM
Alaska, over 30 years ago as a child (or so). kinda go where the folks take ya. am i worthy yet internet judges?

why blow me up ?. its my (sorry) the real Idaho residents game department making this suggestion?  you need to call up headquarters and tell them how much they need to be looking out for Washington residents because you guys are waaaay more Idaho then us. too funny
you didnt just post the link with a thread titlted "FYI regarding idaho non res fees"..if that were the case nobody would have blown you up.
you made this post to ruffle feathers, don't act like you didn't.
it was titled "a promising direction" and your original post indicates that you agree it should be more expensive for non residents.  This isn't rokslide, its a washington forum, so to come in and basically tell everyone here who likes to hunt idaho glad you're going to have to pay more to come to "my" state... it probably hit a few nerves..just my .02, but what do i know  :dunno:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: vandeman17 on September 05, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
Alaska, over 30 years ago as a child (or so). kinda go where the folks take ya. am i worthy yet internet judges?

why blow me up ?. its my (sorry) the real Idaho residents game department making this suggestion?  you need to call up headquarters and tell them how much they need to be looking out for Washington residents because you guys are waaaay more Idaho then us. too funny
you didnt just post the link with a thread titlted "FYI regarding idaho non res fees"..if that were the case nobody would have blown you up.
you made this post to ruffle feathers, don't act like you didn't.
it was titled "a promising direction" and your original post indicates that you agree it should be more expensive for non residents.  This isn't rokslide, its a washington forum, so to come in and basically tell everyone here who likes to hunt idaho glad you're going to have to pay more to come to "my" state... it probably hit a few nerves..just my .02, but what do i know  :dunno:

 :yeah: x100
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
Nonresaphobia is a serious psychiatric condition.
Please seek immediate medical assistance if you experience non resident trucks at your trail-head for more than 4 hours.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: theleo on September 05, 2019, 12:01:49 PM
It has been the budget friendly out of state option for years. Considering they've sold out of non res tags the past couple of years, it'd be financially idiotic for the state to not increase the prices. I'd rather see the price hike then the Washington approach of just create more tags. A crappy hunting experience is just as bad for hunters as getting price hikes. I completely sympathize with Idaho residents about wanting greater control over the the non res hunter distribution. Showing up to a trailhead in the fall and %75 of the plates are from out of state gets aggravating. Yeah, I'm aware I'm part of that issue but it doesn't mean I can't see their point of view.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 12:05:48 PM
No doubt.
Regardless charge away...........................

I'll be there annually.
or
I'll have a mailbox there and be there.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
Nonresaphobia is a serious psychiatric condition.
Please seek immediate medical assistance if you experience non resident trucks at your trail-head for more than 4 hours.

now im a resident! man what great news! thank you internet gods!!!!
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 12:13:45 PM
No doubt.
Regardless charge away...........................

I'll be there annually.
or
I'll have a mailbox there and be there.

just know if you move here you'll have to hate yourself for not being from here. keep it real now
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 12:14:35 PM
It has been the budget friendly out of state option for years. Considering they've sold out of non res tags the past couple of years, it'd be financially idiotic for the state to not increase the prices. I'd rather see the price hike then the Washington approach of just create more tags. A crappy hunting experience is just as bad for hunters as getting price hikes. I completely sympathize with Idaho residents about wanting greater control over the the non res hunter distribution. Showing up to a trailhead in the fall and %75 of the plates are from out of state gets aggravating. Yeah, I'm aware I'm part of that issue but it doesn't mean I can't see their point of view.

let me know when you wanna go hunting
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
@lord grizzly
Here's a suggestion from me to you. If you're opposed to out of state hunters coming to Idaho, you might consider spending more time on an Idaho hunting forum and less time on a Washington hunting forum.
You making threads like this are part of the problem with hunting and a lack of unity among hunters.

just a link form the fish and game web site. guess your not interested

Not accurate.
You posted this increase as a "positive direction" then when a member mentioned not hunting Idaho, your response was "one down". Your intent in this thread was not to just share a link.
I maintain my recommendation for you to find an Idaho resident hunting forum to participate in.

Here it is if you need a refresher:

I'll probably never hunt Idaho.  Montana, yes.  Montana seems to want my business.

one down...
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 12:36:54 PM
from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 12:41:07 PM
Ok Ok.
You have proven by your spelling and punctuation that you are from Idaho.

The Lord has risen!!!
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: JJB11B on September 05, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:
troll
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: theleo on September 05, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
It has been the budget friendly out of state option for years. Considering they've sold out of non res tags the past couple of years, it'd be financially idiotic for the state to not increase the prices. I'd rather see the price hike then the Washington approach of just create more tags. A crappy hunting experience is just as bad for hunters as getting price hikes. I completely sympathize with Idaho residents about wanting greater control over the the non res hunter distribution. Showing up to a trailhead in the fall and %75 of the plates are from out of state gets aggravating. Yeah, I'm aware I'm part of that issue but it doesn't mean I can't see their point of view.

let me know when you wanna go hunting
You wouldn't be able to keep up. I've been known to hunt uphill.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 01:26:15 PM
from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:

The problem is that it's all about you.  That makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.

How long since you moved out of Washington to Idaho?
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: theleo on September 05, 2019, 01:35:48 PM
from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:

The problem is that it's all about you.  That makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.

How long since you moved out of Washington to Idaho?
It's not all about him, he's just the only one offering an Idahoans perspective. The moves are great for Idaho residents. There's just a bunch of non residents here complaining because they might have to give up their micro brews and go back to drink Bud or Coors. It's kind of hard to take us non-resident seriously on the whole to begin with. We are paying significantly more to go hunt another state rather than just be happy with ours because our state has mismanaged the game in our state. Who are we to say how Idaho should manage things?
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: KFhunter on September 05, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
This is kind of like the EWA vs WWA thing, and to be honest I was offending the crap out of western wa folks (and making myself look like a buffoon in the process) here on HW some years ago.  So I totally understand Lord Grizzly from that perspective. 


but I grew up



Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 01:52:03 PM
from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:

The problem is that it's all about you.  That makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.

How long since you moved out of Washington to Idaho?

thought i answered that. about 30 years a ago my family left Alaska. we cam e through Washington so i technically lived there. didn't finish a year of school so i dont know if i count as being a resident. theirs lots of experts on here that will tell me.

whats your life story so i can be sure to judge it and see if your worthy?
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 01:53:42 PM
It has been the budget friendly out of state option for years. Considering they've sold out of non res tags the past couple of years, it'd be financially idiotic for the state to not increase the prices. I'd rather see the price hike then the Washington approach of just create more tags. A crappy hunting experience is just as bad for hunters as getting price hikes. I completely sympathize with Idaho residents about wanting greater control over the the non res hunter distribution. Showing up to a trailhead in the fall and %75 of the plates are from out of state gets aggravating. Yeah, I'm aware I'm part of that issue but it doesn't mean I can't see their point of view.

let me know when you wanna go hunting
You wouldn't be able to keep up. I've been known to hunt uphill.

ill be up at the top waiting for ya  :hello:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:

The problem is that it's all about you.  That makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.

How long since you moved out of Washington to Idaho?

thought i answered that. about 30 years a ago my family left Alaska. we cam e through Washington so i technically lived there. didn't finish a year of school so i dont know if i count as being a resident. theirs lots of experts on here that will tell me.

whats your life story so i can be sure to judge it and see if your worthy?

I pretty much don't do anything that would necessitate anyone judging my life story and I value that about myself.
When there are problems, I prefer to at least attempt to be part of a solution and not part of a problem.

from my perspective all positive. from yours it isn't. that make me wrong? theirs not a fun Idaho forum. we all get a long over here. us residents anyway  :hello:

The problem is that it's all about you.  That makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.

How long since you moved out of Washington to Idaho?
It's not all about him, he's just the only one offering an Idahoans perspective. The moves are great for Idaho residents. There's just a bunch of non residents here complaining because they might have to give up their micro brews and go back to drink Bud or Coors. It's kind of hard to take us non-resident seriously on the whole to begin with. We are paying significantly more to go hunt another state rather than just be happy with ours because our state has mismanaged the game in our state. Who are we to say how Idaho should manage things?

There's a right way and a wrong way to go about what he's attempting to do. If he's trying to spread words about a fee increase, great....do it. Just saying there's absolutely no point insulting a bunch of WA hunters on a WA hunting forum about coming to ID to hunt. He's been doing that just about day one on the forum here.  Pretty sure us WA guys coming to ID to hunt makes the difference between a lot of those Idaho folks drinking Coors Lights or Katka IPA's :chuckle:


Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 03:01:24 PM
i was actually more excited about them capping the non resident tags by unit then the fee in crease. fee increase actually affects me since i buy second tags. non rez having to pick units for deer and elk with a cap benefits all of us over here. guys like me will always buy out the non rez tags so the fee increase scaring off non rez is really just another net benefit  while our state maintains the profit they need form those sales.

honestly t will be better for our herds too. i often eat tat second tag because im not going to burn it on a dink. you guys pay 800 bucks to hunt a deer you bet a 2 points going home with you.

how bout fix your state where its nice and cheap for you to hunt instead of f'n up mine. keep your micro brews too there man bun  :hello:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: vandeman17 on September 05, 2019, 03:11:31 PM
 :salute:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 03:12:24 PM
i was actually more excited about them capping the non resident tags by unit then the fee in crease. fee increase actually affects me since i buy second tags. non rez having to pick units for deer and elk with a cap benefits all of us over here. guys like me will always buy out the non rez tags so the fee increase scaring off non rez is really just another net benefit  while our state maintains the profit they need form those sales.

honestly t will be better for our herds too. i often eat tat second tag because im not going to burn it on a dink. you guys pay 800 bucks to hunt a deer you bet a 2 points going home with you.

how bout fix your state where its nice and cheap for you to hunt instead of f'n up mine. keep your micro brews too there man bun  :hello:

I've hunted "your" state exactly one time 4-5 years ago. Can't wait to come back and drink some fine Kootenai Brewing IPA's after a hard day of hunting uphill from camp :chuckle:

 



Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: kentrek on September 05, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
This is the dumbest thread I've seen in awhile

Limiting non res hunters down to 10% from 57 % ??

Increase the tag fees ? Tags will still sell out


Talking bout buying a 2nd tag & then being worried bout the herds......priceless !
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
I thought the same thing.
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Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2019, 03:42:45 PM
This is the dumbest thread I've seen in awhile

Limiting non res hunters down to 10% from 57 % ??

Increase the tag fees ? Tags will still sell out


Talking bout buying a 2nd tag & then being worried bout the herds......priceless !

While you can obviously read comprehension isnt your strong suit. Go back and go slower
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: idaho guy on September 05, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
 I agree with grizzly on this one. What's wrong with him as a resident wanting less non res hunters? Anybody that is an avid Idaho resident hunter has probably bought a second tag just to stay in the woods. He said he doesn't just fill his second tag with a "meat" buck just too "fill" the tag and I believe him. You can buy a second tag and probably honestly help the herds by not just filling the tag with any legal animal as I often see non residents do. I don't care what someone legally harvests ,resident or non resident, but grizzly buying a second tag doesn't mean he is not concerned with the herds that tag will be bought. Its funny how all the Washington hunters want cheap unlimited Idaho tags but don't want any Idaho guys on a Washington hunting site unless they agree all Washington hunters should have cheap unlimited Idaho tags  :chuckle:   There is no Idaho hunting forum and you all talk way more about hunting Idaho and Montana than Washington anyways. I realize the revenue out of staters provide but I get sick of the entitlement it makes some people feel they deserve. Idaho wont die without the all mighty out of state dollar. I would gladly pay more for my hunting license if they reduced non resident tags. I also buy second tags at non res prices already. Could Lord Grizzly present things in a better way? YES but jumping on him for wanting less non resident hunters is crap. Every resident of any state worth hunting would like to see less out of state hunters. I love this forum for some reason and I cant quit it although I have tried :chuckle: Maybe you all will kick me off for not wanting truckloads of Washington hunters.   fyi I have taken out and hunted with Washington hunters in Idaho. I have no problem with hunters from Washington I would just like a little less of them.       
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: grundy53 on September 05, 2019, 04:29:04 PM
I agree with grizzly on this one. What's wrong with him as a resident wanting less non res hunters? Anybody that is an avid Idaho resident hunter has probably bought a second tag just to stay in the woods. He said he doesn't just fill his second tag with a "meat" buck just too "fill" the tag and I believe him. You can buy a second tag and probably honestly help the herds by not just filling the tag with any legal animal as I often see non residents do. I don't care what someone legally harvests ,resident or non resident, but grizzly buying a second tag doesn't mean he is not concerned with the herds that tag will be bought. Its funny how all the Washington hunters want cheap unlimited Idaho tags but don't want any Idaho guys on a Washington hunting site unless they agree all Washington hunters should have cheap unlimited Idaho tags  :chuckle:   There is no Idaho hunting forum and you all talk way more about hunting Idaho and Montana than Washington anyways. I realize the revenue out of staters provide but I get sick of the entitlement it makes some people feel they deserve. Idaho wont die without the all mighty out of state dollar. I would gladly pay more for my hunting license if they reduced non resident tags. I also buy second tags at non res prices already. Could Lord Grizzly present things in a better way? YES but jumping on him for wanting less non resident hunters is crap. Every resident of any state worth hunting would like to see less out of state hunters. I love this forum for some reason and I cant quit it although I have tried :chuckle: Maybe you all will kick me off for not wanting truckloads of Washington hunters.   fyi I have taken out and hunted with Washington hunters in Idaho. I have no problem with hunters from Washington I would just like a little less of them.     
It's the way he presents himself that rubs people the wrong way. Totally understand your sentiment but a little tact goes a long way. We welcome non residents on this site they enhance the knowledge here. It's when people crap on this site we wonder why they are here.

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Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: KFhunter on September 05, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
whoa whoa hey wait hold the phone!   


non-residents hunt in Washington??   
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: Stein on September 05, 2019, 04:32:55 PM
The point people are trying to make is that cheering for someone else's cost to go up and opportunity to go down is not within the spirit of what this forum is about.

Most of us wish less hunting pressure where we hunt, but most would not want that to be at the expense of someone else.

The fact is that NR money floats the western fish & game agencies boats.  Sure, ID, MT, WY and CO could all just triple their resident fees and not deal with it, but that isn't reality.  Everyone says they would gladly pay, but when the resident fees go up $5 a year the pitchforks come out.  Every time.

There will likely always be friction between state agencies that need NR money, residents that don't want NR hunters and those in other states that want an opportunity at a good hunt either better areas or game not available in their home state.

To cheer and celebrate for someone to be priced out of the game or to have a different group lose opportunity is poor form in my opinion.  It may be unavoidable for tag limits and cost increases, but most of us have the decency to not belittle the other party.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: KFhunter on September 05, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
 :yeah:   

well said


Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: hughjorgan on September 05, 2019, 04:53:03 PM
I agree with grizzly on this one. What's wrong with him as a resident wanting less non res hunters? Anybody that is an avid Idaho resident hunter has probably bought a second tag just to stay in the woods. He said he doesn't just fill his second tag with a "meat" buck just too "fill" the tag and I believe him. You can buy a second tag and probably honestly help the herds by not just filling the tag with any legal animal as I often see non residents do. I don't care what someone legally harvests ,resident or non resident, but grizzly buying a second tag doesn't mean he is not concerned with the herds that tag will be bought. Its funny how all the Washington hunters want cheap unlimited Idaho tags but don't want any Idaho guys on a Washington hunting site unless they agree all Washington hunters should have cheap unlimited Idaho tags  :chuckle:   There is no Idaho hunting forum and you all talk way more about hunting Idaho and Montana than Washington anyways. I realize the revenue out of staters provide but I get sick of the entitlement it makes some people feel they deserve. Idaho wont die without the all mighty out of state dollar. I would gladly pay more for my hunting license if they reduced non resident tags. I also buy second tags at non res prices already. Could Lord Grizzly present things in a better way? YES but jumping on him for wanting less non resident hunters is crap. Every resident of any state worth hunting would like to see less out of state hunters. I love this forum for some reason and I cant quit it although I have tried :chuckle: Maybe you all will kick me off for not wanting truckloads of Washington hunters.   fyi I have taken out and hunted with Washington hunters in Idaho. I have no problem with hunters from Washington I would just like a little less of them.     

Correct me if I am wrong but if you limit non residents, isnít that also the second tags the residents are buying at non resident pricing? If thatís the case then there could be less opportunity for you in the future, correct?
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: idaho guy on September 05, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
The point people are trying to make is that cheering for someone else's cost to go up and opportunity to go down is not within the spirit of what this forum is about.

Most of us wish less hunting pressure where we hunt, but most would not want that to be at the expense of someone else.

The fact is that NR money floats the western fish & game agencies boats.  Sure, ID, MT, WY and CO could all just triple their resident fees and not deal with it, but that isn't reality.  Everyone says they would gladly pay, but when the resident fees go up $5 a year the pitchforks come out.  Every time.

There will likely always be friction between state agencies that need NR money, residents that don't want NR hunters and those in other states that want an opportunity at a good hunt either better areas or game not available in their home state.

To cheer and celebrate for someone to be priced out of the game or to have a different group lose opportunity is poor form in my opinion.  It may be unavoidable for tag limits and cost increases, but most of us have the decency to not belittle the other party.
   

I hear ya. I have no problem with non resident hunters. I have taken Washington hunters out and will continue to occasionally.Would I like less nr hunters? Yes thatís human nature, especially when I hunt and see 4 out of state plates to every 1 Idaho plate. The non resident whining about fee increases and tag limits I could do without. Especially since Idaho has been the cheapest and easiest to get tags state out there. Everyone seems to be moving to Idaho anyways  :chuckle: non resident hunters will probably be the least of our concerns eventually. I hope everyone has a great season even if youíre in Idaho ha ha. :tup:
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: idaho guy on September 05, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
I agree with grizzly on this one. What's wrong with him as a resident wanting less non res hunters? Anybody that is an avid Idaho resident hunter has probably bought a second tag just to stay in the woods. He said he doesn't just fill his second tag with a "meat" buck just too "fill" the tag and I believe him. You can buy a second tag and probably honestly help the herds by not just filling the tag with any legal animal as I often see non residents do. I don't care what someone legally harvests ,resident or non resident, but grizzly buying a second tag doesn't mean he is not concerned with the herds that tag will be bought. Its funny how all the Washington hunters want cheap unlimited Idaho tags but don't want any Idaho guys on a Washington hunting site unless they agree all Washington hunters should have cheap unlimited Idaho tags  :chuckle:   There is no Idaho hunting forum and you all talk way more about hunting Idaho and Montana than Washington anyways. I realize the revenue out of staters provide but I get sick of the entitlement it makes some people feel they deserve. Idaho wont die without the all mighty out of state dollar. I would gladly pay more for my hunting license if they reduced non resident tags. I also buy second tags at non res prices already. Could Lord Grizzly present things in a better way? YES but jumping on him for wanting less non resident hunters is crap. Every resident of any state worth hunting would like to see less out of state hunters. I love this forum for some reason and I cant quit it although I have tried :chuckle: Maybe you all will kick me off for not wanting truckloads of Washington hunters.   fyi I have taken out and hunted with Washington hunters in Idaho. I have no problem with hunters from Washington I would just like a little less of them.     

Correct me if I am wrong but if you limit non residents, isnít that also the second tags the residents are buying at non resident pricing? If thatís the case then there could be less opportunity for you in the future, correct?
   

Yes correct I am ok with that
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: KFhunter on September 05, 2019, 05:16:28 PM
Always enjoy reading your posts idaho guy  :tup:


Its good to get a residents input on things for us Washington hunters. 
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2019, 05:40:17 PM
The point people are trying to make is that cheering for someone else's cost to go up and opportunity to go down is not within the spirit of what this forum is about.

Most of us wish less hunting pressure where we hunt, but most would not want that to be at the expense of someone else.

The fact is that NR money floats the western fish & game agencies boats.  Sure, ID, MT, WY and CO could all just triple their resident fees and not deal with it, but that isn't reality.  Everyone says they would gladly pay, but when the resident fees go up $5 a year the pitchforks come out.  Every time.

There will likely always be friction between state agencies that need NR money, residents that don't want NR hunters and those in other states that want an opportunity at a good hunt either better areas or game not available in their home state.

To cheer and celebrate for someone to be priced out of the game or to have a different group lose opportunity is poor form in my opinion.  It may be unavoidable for tag limits and cost increases, but most of us have the decency to not belittle the other party.

This guy gets it.

The problem I have with lord grizzly is he's been ragging on Washington and Washington hunters since pretty much his day 1 on the forum. I can't even remotely comprehend why he's a member here if he dislikes Washington and it's residents as much as he seems to aside from just being here to stir the pot....which is clearly what he's doing here starting this thread. I couldn't care less about NR fee increases in Idaho.


Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 05, 2019, 06:06:35 PM
The point people are trying to make is that cheering for someone else's cost to go up and opportunity to go down is not within the spirit of what this forum is about.

Most of us wish less hunting pressure where we hunt, but most would not want that to be at the expense of someone else.

The fact is that NR money floats the western fish & game agencies boats.  Sure, ID, MT, WY and CO could all just triple their resident fees and not deal with it, but that isn't reality.  Everyone says they would gladly pay, but when the resident fees go up $5 a year the pitchforks come out.  Every time.

There will likely always be friction between state agencies that need NR money, residents that don't want NR hunters and those in other states that want an opportunity at a good hunt either better areas or game not available in their home state.

To cheer and celebrate for someone to be priced out of the game or to have a different group lose opportunity is poor form in my opinion.  It may be unavoidable for tag limits and cost increases, but most of us have the decency to not belittle the other party.

This guy gets it.

The problem I have with lord grizzly is he's been ragging on Washington and Washington hunters since pretty much his day 1 on the forum. I can't even remotely comprehend why he's a member here if he dislikes Washington and it's residents as much as he seems to aside from just being here to stir the pot....which is clearly what he's doing here starting this thread. I couldn't care less about NR fee increases in Idaho.

The original post was not constructive in any way. He posted simply to be a jerk and stir the pot. His post has encouraged me to take advantage of the DV rate and hunt Idaho!
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 05, 2019, 06:41:38 PM
Interesting is how often there used to be posts about coming up with ways to keep westsiders off the eastside or people from out of the county out...or out of state fishing guides off Washington rivers.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: kentrek on September 05, 2019, 07:02:14 PM
This is the dumbest thread I've seen in awhile

Limiting non res hunters down to 10% from 57 % ??

Increase the tag fees ? Tags will still sell out


Talking bout buying a 2nd tag & then being worried bout the herds......priceless !

While you can obviously read comprehension isnt your strong suit. Go back and go slower

Lol my read comprehension is just fine

If you hold out with your 2nd tag and dont fill it to help the herd then what did you do with your 1st tag ??

Its not your state dude, get over it....this is america....we all have a right to hunt...the biggest problem you guys have is boise and you know it....maybe we should cap them too ??
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 2MANY on September 05, 2019, 08:27:00 PM
The killer B's?
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on September 05, 2019, 09:09:17 PM
 A dead elk is a dead elk. A dead deer is a dead deer.  The fact LG states he buys a second tag but then slams NR  hunters for actually filling those tags is the icing on the cake. So now killing a mature breeder bull or buck ( which he implies he would/has done ) has less impact than shooting a younger male? Maybe someone needs to go back to game management 101?

They bought a tag. They can spend it however they see fit within the rules set forth by the IDFG. Thinking that because you ate a tag simply because the number one breeder didn't cross your path, is not only arrogant but foolish
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: 3dvapor on September 05, 2019, 09:37:10 PM
I do understand the point that washington hunters flock to idaho and montana because of the better game management and experience Instead of demanding the same out of there own state.  I wish we could redirect those out of state dollars we spend and used that money to make difference in our own state.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 06, 2019, 05:19:27 AM
Because the money would not go to WDFW it would go other places and WDFW his shown they do not know how to manage wildlife for the benefit of hunters.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on September 06, 2019, 05:48:49 AM
I'll probably never hunt Idaho.  Montana, yes.  Montana seems to want my business.
Yea because nothing says we want your business like $700 deer tags or $900 elk tags


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Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: trophyhunt on September 06, 2019, 06:17:45 AM
Nice to see someone giddy about fellow hunters getting priced out of hunting. Way to be a team player.
:yeah:exactly, hunters are our own worst enemy.  Bow hunters think rifle guys suck, rifle guys think bow hunters suck, muzzy guys are left behind, NOT.  And if you don't like bear baiting or hound hunting, even as a hunter, you vote against it!!!   Fellow hunters are why we can't hunt bear or cats with dogs, and bait.  Fellow hunters love rate increases on nonresidents and taking youth prices off the table.  We really are our own worst enemy.  Sad deal
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: lord grizzly on September 06, 2019, 06:28:26 AM
Always enjoy reading your posts idaho guy  :tup:


Its good to get a residents input on things for us Washington hunters.

what ive been doing for you!! man! what you mean is a residents input you agree with. you dont really want to hear what we think. this thread would be a case in point.
Title: Re: A promising direction
Post by: h20hunter on September 06, 2019, 06:36:13 AM
This is done. Hunt Wa isn't FB. Stop the trolling and no personal attacks.