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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on October 13, 2019, 04:43:13 PM

Title: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on October 13, 2019, 04:43:13 PM: https://sg-mktg.com/MTU3MDgyOTM1N3xvM016QXZoWjRncTlWa1BfdVN2VDRtWEJNbUxzWWJ4WW9hcVpEWnFDTWdBZTBZcnNMM1YwbktfTkN5amY5SVFjTk9VYWl2M1ZkcmpLWWFaY1FGQVBJWjVBcFRJeEU3UGxXNFdod1laU0tzNU03SEhTMXRta0Q4U0lWbHlhcGpaTGQ5Z2VOVnJUM1VnNWI0ZlZOdi1zTTNYTWRBQk56d1B3TmVTRW81dlB3NVJ2a0dIejN0YTZWNmcyOFp1Z3VpNGZIZDhfS0hwLWk1emtDaF9jX19ud1Z2TGRHZUZhRUlqNTZBZUc0aDdlWEFYeFQ3SW5ZTjZsX1F1d1dhbFZUemZYQnN4enhLX2Fmdz09fJpWF6rucOoaxxNPFem1rfpJ7IeLokmb86b7JwYdUyK-

Here's a link to a New WDFW Blacktail Study, sounds like QDM, more restricted hunting is on its way. Too bad they don't focus on real Blacktail problems; i.e. predators, spraying clearcuts, lack of access, etc.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Tbar on October 13, 2019, 04:59:15 PM: Quote from: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on October 13, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
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Here's a link to a New WDFW Blacktail Study, sounds like QDM, more restricted hunting is on its way. Too bad they don't focus on real Blacktail problems; i.e. predators, spraying clearcuts, lack of access, etc.
:yeah:
Look for more apr's at the request of certain landowners. Then comes lop program.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: TriggerMike on October 13, 2019, 05:34:35 PM: What makes you guys think this is about QDM or future APR's?
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Tbar on October 13, 2019, 07:33:26 PM: The proposals that were tabled in the last 3 year plan and the ownership. I really wish there was some habitat based research.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Bigshooter on October 13, 2019, 07:39:29 PM: :tinfoil:
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: TriggerMike on October 13, 2019, 09:34:47 PM: Quote from: Tbar on October 13, 2019, 07:33:26 PM
The proposals that were tabled in the last 3 year plan and the ownership. I really wish there was some habitat based research.

Can you send me a link? I want to dive into this deeper.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: fishnfur on October 13, 2019, 10:06:11 PM: I didn't think much of the survey request when it came out, but reading through it now, I kinda wonder why WDFW would give a crap about the relationship between age and number of points. Doesn't sound at all like anything they'd really give a hoot about. Plus that, they already have that data available from BT studies in the '50s. Science is pretty far removed from their deer management strategies these days. Hidden agendas may be at work.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: JakeLand on October 13, 2019, 10:10:34 PM: My guess is a point restriction AND or something to blow $ on
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Tbar on October 13, 2019, 10:19:52 PM: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,217399.0.html
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 13, 2019, 10:25:09 PM: Seen so many big, old forkies already, hardly seems like it will correlate nicely like with whiteys.
The tree farm theory of using APRs to try for trophies for the purpose of raising prices seems likely.
If they use APRs, though, people will get tired of tag soup and might start heading east. That seems like a bad deal for the muleys--unless WDFW has some plan for muleys. Maybe go permit only on muleys, then expect a surge on blacktail hunting pressure....so have APRs in place to prevent too many blacktail from being taken?
Maybe they need more spikes/forkies to feed the incoming wolves?

Or is this giving WDFW too much credit?
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on October 14, 2019, 12:56:08 AM: Quote from: JimmyHoffa on October 13, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
Seen so many big, old forkies already, hardly seems like it will correlate nicely like with whiteys.
The tree farm theory of using APRs to try for trophies for the purpose of raising prices seems likely.
If they use APRs, though, people will get tired of tag soup and might start heading east. That seems like a bad deal for the muleys--unless WDFW has some plan for muleys. Maybe go permit only on muleys, then expect a surge on blacktail hunting pressure....so have APRs in place to prevent too many blacktail from being taken?
Maybe they need more spikes/forkies to feed the incoming wolves?

Or is this giving WDFW too much credit?

Hard to have too much pressure on blacktails when timber companies restrict the number of hunters on their property.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 14, 2019, 05:14:44 AM: These studies have been repeated over and over again. If it's not a blacktail study its a wolf, cougar or other study. They could cut thru the red tape by looking at what other states studies have concluded. I know its a way for the WDFW, WSU, etc to burn up tax payer studies and thro it under a grant study.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: buckfvr on October 14, 2019, 08:28:06 AM: Quote from: JimmyHoffa on October 13, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
Seen so many big, old forkies already, hardly seems like it will correlate nicely like with whiteys.
The tree farm theory of using APRs to try for trophies for the purpose of raising prices seems likely.
If they use APRs, though, people will get tired of tag soup and might start heading east. That seems like a bad deal for the muleys--unless WDFW has some plan for muleys. Maybe go permit only on muleys, then expect a surge on blacktail hunting pressure....so have APRs in place to prevent too many blacktail from being taken?
Maybe they need more spikes/forkies to feed the incoming wolves?

Or is this giving WDFW too much credit?

Deer do significant damage in tree farms.......tree farms dont want apr.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: npaull on October 14, 2019, 09:17:23 AM: Sometimes a scientific study is just a scientific study, guys. You cannot predict the content of future knowledge. It's worth asking questions and finding out the answers *for their own sake,* because surprises happen all the time.

WDFW is not in the business of trying to shut down hunting. That's where their funding comes from.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: Special T on October 14, 2019, 09:26:54 AM: Quote from: npaull on October 14, 2019, 09:17:23 AM
Sometimes a scientific study is just a scientific study, guys. You cannot predict the content of future knowledge. It's worth asking questions and finding out the answers *for their own sake,* because surprises happen all the time.

WDFW is not in the business of trying to shut down hunting. That's where their funding comes from.

I dont think the WDFW is trying to shut down hunting either. Unfortunately they have stated several times that hunter only contribute a small percentage of their budget.
Title: Re: Can We Expect Even Worse Blacktail Deer Hunting?
Post by: chinookie23 on October 14, 2019, 01:32:56 PM: They should start by requesting that same information from Muckleshoot wildlife department. They have required their hunters to do that for years. Also if they fail to submit the teeth they receive citations for not doing so.