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Title: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 08, 2019, 07:02:16 PM
Now that hunting season is over itís hobby time. I hunt w a .300RUM which is a tack driving beast, but itís 10lb +\- . I want something around 7-8lb that I wonít mind hiking all day with, but will drop deer or elk....mainly deer.

I decided on a 6.5 PRC. Close to the same external ballistics as a .300 win mag, but a lighter bullet..143grn.

I got my first two pieces...Remington long action magnum action and a Timmney trigger. My Stockyís M50 fiberglas stock at 2lb will be here soon.

I will post pics of the progress on this build.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jason on December 08, 2019, 08:04:13 PM
Iím looking forward to the updates.  :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 08, 2019, 08:06:34 PM
Nice bolt ! Now what barrel?  You using a Smith to put the barrel on?   Once you get this pack gun done might as well convert the .300 Rum to a 338 edge for those 1000 yard elk opportunities.  Nothing like a 300 grain smk pushing 2000 ft # when you get way out there.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: b23 on December 08, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Do you know what barrel contour you plan to go with and what finished length you want?  Unless you plan on going with a fairly small contour and or a shorter finished length, you will have a hard time getting down to your weight goal or 7-8lbs and I'm assuming you meant 7-8lbs unscoped.

As an example, I'm building a new 6mm Creedmoor using a SA Rem700 with standard BDL bottom metal, Proof Research CF barrel, McM Varmint model stock, Vortex HS-T 4-16x44 scope in NF ultra light .885 rings with a 20MOA rail, I weighed it all before dropping it off at my gunsmiths and it was 9lbs 2oz.  My stock is 2lbs 4oz so it's a little heavier than yours but I'm using a SA not a LA which evens it out.

Regardless of the weight it ends up being, you have a great build started and I look forward to seeing/hearing about the finished product.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 08, 2019, 08:43:29 PM
Yea the Xbolt Hells Canyon 6.5 PRC is 7 1/2 # unscoped. 

If you went with manners light stock you save 6 oz, and lonepeak titanium action another 8 oz, and a swarovski Z5 5-25 at 17 oz you could do it.   
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jolten on December 08, 2019, 08:47:59 PM
What's your budget?
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 08, 2019, 08:51:01 PM
Hey guys. Iím going with a 26Ē Proof CF barrel in the Sendero light contour. Hoping to get 7-8lbs scoped, but weíll see. I thought it was a short action but after talking to my smith I learned itís actually a long action magnum. So hereís to hopping I can keep it at around 8lb upscoped. I will be putting on a Vortex HS-LR 5-25 FFP.

Stock is 2.3lbs which is a out 2lb 5oz. Pic attached.

And yes, I will gather all the parts and have my smith put it together. I use Randy Brand in Shelton. Great guy, great work and FAST! He built my .300RUM which is a half moa gun. If you are looking for a good, honest smith send me a pm amd iíll get you his info.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 08, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
No set budget, but not an unlimited one either.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 08, 2019, 09:19:23 PM
Good build but double check weights ?

Action with bottom metal and bolt and safety = 2lb 7oz
Barrel = 3lb 2oz
Stock = 2lb 5 oz.

Total before Scope = 7lb 13 oz.

Scope 22 oz.
rings 4 oz.

Total before base and sling = 9.5#
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Crunchy on December 08, 2019, 09:21:01 PM
Nothing like spending 3k on a semi custom, another 500 on ammo components, days at the range getting a load dialed in, and not getting a shot at a decent buck that year  :chuckle: :chuckle:  Happened to me.  I haven't weighed my rifle but it has to be 14 pounds. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 08, 2019, 09:29:54 PM
Each of last two years we've had success with customs that we neeeever would of otherwise but the year-round hobby of reloading and shooting is really the draw for customs.  If you aren't getting into that you are missing some of the fun.    :tup: Wish I would of started down the rabbit hole long ago.  I don't like packing anything over 10#.   The pro's say its nearly impossible to be dead accurate under 16# but I tried to prove em wrong at 10.5# but am not quite as accurate yet as hoped but working on it. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 08, 2019, 09:30:55 PM
I guess under 10lb will have to be the goal. I thought a out a 24Ē barrel, but I want the most performance out of the cartridge.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 08, 2019, 09:38:14 PM
I agree with Magnum, the icing on the cake is harvesting an animal with a custom, but the fun is building it, load development and realizing your gun is accurate and if your into long range, making your longest shots ever with that gun. It happened to me this year. Built the .300rum in jan, spent all off season developing a load and getting really comfortable shooting it and even hit 100yds on steel. Made two long shots in the field hunting....510 on a buck and 728 on a doe. Like i said, harvest with that gun was icing, the build and shooting it was the reward.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on December 08, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
 Will be curious to see how this turns out. :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Taco280AI on December 08, 2019, 09:59:26 PM
I think you're going down the wrong rabbit hole. You have a 10 pound rifle, started out wanting a 7-8 pounder, now you're going to have another 10 pound rifle. What do you really gain with that?
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: bullfisher on December 08, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
I love my 6.5 PRC, but it ended up almost 12lbs even though I tried to be weight conscious. Thankfully it turned out to be a laser. 23" #7 contour 7 twist Mcgowen barrel on a savage long action.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2019, 06:54:01 AM
Everyone chases that light rifle but light rifles are just harder to shoot. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't shot a heavy gun.  For a LR hunting rig I think that 9-10lb window is the money slot for a packable but solid platform.  You could shave a few ounces here and there and you could also chop a few inches of barrel and get your weight down a bit more. A short action will shave a few ounces as well.  My wsm is in a game scout with 26" Hells Canyon Armory carbon at 26". Hawkins rings and leupold mrk4. I wouldnt what it any lighter  :twocents:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 09, 2019, 07:12:42 AM
  For a LR hunting rig I think that 9-10lb window is the money slot for a packable but solid platform.

 :yeah:  My 338 Lapua is at 10.5 lb with 7-42 Leupold and right at 10 lb with swarovski .   10lb is my sweet spot for packing and still spot my own shots at 20 power.   
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: buckfvr on December 09, 2019, 08:47:33 AM
I love my 6.5 PRC, but it ended up almost 12lbs even though I tried to be weight conscious. Thankfully it turned out to be a laser. 23" #7 contour 7 twist Mcgowen barrel on a savage long action.

Dont know what bullet youre using but Ive heard several guys voice their interest in running Bergers 156gr bullet in their factory short action 8 twist rifles, its nice to see your build is actually optimized for the heavier bullets.......
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 09, 2019, 06:29:28 PM
I started wanting a 7-8lbíer as stated, but given the components I want to use itíll probably be at that 10lb mark. Iím ok with that. I just donít want a pencil barrel rifle with this build.

Iím gonna weigh my 300RUM. This rifle should be about 2lb lighter...at least. The stock will be 1.5lb lighter, Talley one piece rings instead of vortex precision rings and not using a 20moa rail. Proof barrel is 2Ē shorter and no brake.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 09, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
12.3lbs. Ya, the new one will be at 10lb or less. Dang, the rum is heavy, but its a dream to shoot.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Taco280AI on December 09, 2019, 10:05:25 PM
Depending on scope you can get down to 8ish pounds with a fluted #4, not a pencil barrel.

Rem 700 LA, fluted bolt, fluted 24" #4 Broughton, McM Hunter (edge fill), Timney. Had an FX3 6x42 and it weighed about 7.6 lbs with Alumina covers. Now has a Zeiss V4 4-16◊44, haven't weighed it recently. Built by RBros, had Kampfeld flute the bolt and barrel after. Last group I shot @200 was .53" with the 145 LRX off a bench.

Wby and RBros 280AI
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Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on December 09, 2019, 10:30:30 PM
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Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: dmoua on December 12, 2019, 11:38:08 AM
Sorry to hijack your post but is there a reason why you guys are using a LA over a SA for the 6.5 PRC? I am planning to build one out of a spare Model 7 action with a magnum bolt face. Trying to keep the overall build around 8 lbs.

Here's a list of what I plan on using:

Rem Model 7 action
Timney trigger
McMillan Gamewarden adjustable stock
Proof Research barrel with sendero light contour
Leupold VX6 3-18x50

Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.

Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2019, 12:18:55 PM
Sorry to hijack your post but is there a reason why you guys are using a LA over a SA for the 6.5 PRC? I am planning to build one out of a spare Model 7 action with a magnum bolt face. Trying to keep the overall build around 8 lbs.

Here's a list of what I plan on using:

Rem Model 7 action
Timney trigger
McMillan Gamewarden adjustable stock
Proof Research barrel with sendero light contour
Leupold VX6 3-18x50

Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.
with some of the big .264 bullets out there now a LA enables a guy to seat the heavies out long to maximize case capacity. Or that's just what the donor action is that they have.

Swap that timney out for a trigger tech and you've got a pretty solid list there :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: b23 on December 12, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.

I've been using Shawn Carlock w/Defensive Edge Rifles, which is just across the fence in Rathdrum Idaho, for well over ten years and many different builds.  Shawn and his dad Bob are excellent to work with and build a very fine rifle.  I've had builds done by other smiths too, Kevin Weaver (Colorado), Kirby Allen (MT), Kevin Cram (PA), and Randy Melvin (MT), all of them build extremely accurate rifles, but having a smith only be 30 minutes away is a VERY nice feature to have and saves you time and money shipping stuff back and forth.  Defensive Edge also has the fastest build time of any gunsmith I've ever used, I think the longest build they've done for me took around 6 months but nearly all the others were under 3 months from drop off to pick up.

You don't have to but when building on the Model 7 action, maybe consider having the smith enlarge the rear hole to the same size as the front, like the 700's are.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: dmoua on December 12, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
Sorry to hijack your post but is there a reason why you guys are using a LA over a SA for the 6.5 PRC? I am planning to build one out of a spare Model 7 action with a magnum bolt face. Trying to keep the overall build around 8 lbs.

Here's a list of what I plan on using:

Rem Model 7 action
Timney trigger
McMillan Gamewarden adjustable stock
Proof Research barrel with sendero light contour
Leupold VX6 3-18x50

Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.
with some of the big .264 bullets out there now a LA enables a guy to seat the heavies out long to maximize case capacity. Or that's just what the donor action is that they have.

Swap that timney out for a trigger tech and you've got a pretty solid list there :tup:

Gotcha. I already have the Timney already or else I would have bought a Trigger Tech to try out.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: dmoua on December 12, 2019, 07:05:00 PM
Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.

I've been using Shawn Carlock w/Defensive Edge Rifles, which is just across the fence in Rathdrum Idaho, for well over ten years and many different builds.  Shawn and his dad Bob are excellent to work with and build a very fine rifle.  I've had builds done by other smiths too, Kevin Weaver (Colorado), Kirby Allen (MT), Kevin Cram (PA), and Randy Melvin (MT), all of them build extremely accurate rifles, but having a smith only be 30 minutes away is a VERY nice feature to have and saves you time and money shipping stuff back and forth.  Defensive Edge also has the fastest build time of any gunsmith I've ever used, I think the longest build they've done for me took around 6 months but nearly all the others were under 3 months from drop off to pick up.

You don't have to but when building on the Model 7 action, maybe consider having the smith enlarge the rear hole to the same size as the front, like the 700's are.

Thank you. I will have to give them a call one of these days. My other question is do you just bring all your parts to them when you have it all or do you just have them order the stuff you want/need? First build ever so noobie to the whole process.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jjhunter on December 12, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
My hunting pard has a Canyon rifle in 338 edge and it shoots 300 grain matchkings in the .1ís consistently.  Insanely accurate.

Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2019, 07:08:40 PM
Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.

I've been using Shawn Carlock w/Defensive Edge Rifles, which is just across the fence in Rathdrum Idaho, for well over ten years and many different builds.  Shawn and his dad Bob are excellent to work with and build a very fine rifle.  I've had builds done by other smiths too, Kevin Weaver (Colorado), Kirby Allen (MT), Kevin Cram (PA), and Randy Melvin (MT), all of them build extremely accurate rifles, but having a smith only be 30 minutes away is a VERY nice feature to have and saves you time and money shipping stuff back and forth.  Defensive Edge also has the fastest build time of any gunsmith I've ever used, I think the longest build they've done for me took around 6 months but nearly all the others were under 3 months from drop off to pick up.

You don't have to but when building on the Model 7 action, maybe consider having the smith enlarge the rear hole to the same size as the front, like the 700's are.

Thank you. I will have to give them a call one of these days. My other question is do you just bring all your parts to them when you have it all or do you just have them order the stuff you want/need? First build ever so noobie to the whole process.
you can do either or. If a guy is patient, a bit flexible, and shops around, there are some good buys on components out there. Some builders won't use certain things though so take that into account as well
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: b23 on December 12, 2019, 08:20:11 PM
Also any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in Spokane/CDA area would be great.

I've been using Shawn Carlock w/Defensive Edge Rifles, which is just across the fence in Rathdrum Idaho, for well over ten years and many different builds.  Shawn and his dad Bob are excellent to work with and build a very fine rifle.  I've had builds done by other smiths too, Kevin Weaver (Colorado), Kirby Allen (MT), Kevin Cram (PA), and Randy Melvin (MT), all of them build extremely accurate rifles, but having a smith only be 30 minutes away is a VERY nice feature to have and saves you time and money shipping stuff back and forth.  Defensive Edge also has the fastest build time of any gunsmith I've ever used, I think the longest build they've done for me took around 6 months but nearly all the others were under 3 months from drop off to pick up.

You don't have to but when building on the Model 7 action, maybe consider having the smith enlarge the rear hole to the same size as the front, like the 700's are.

Thank you. I will have to give them a call one of these days. My other question is do you just bring all your parts to them when you have it all or do you just have them order the stuff you want/need? First build ever so noobie to the whole process.

If it's a full custom build all I provide is the scope, but if it's a semi custom built on a Rem 700, I usually have the action, stock, and scope.  The current build Shawn's doing for me I already had everything except the trigger, rings and rail.  Sometimes gunsmiths can get a little quirky about building on an factory action that someone else, particularly if they aren't familiar with their work, has "trued" so it's generally better if you bring them a virgin Rem action that hasn't been messed with.  If you already have a trued factory action, it's helpful to know who did the work and what they all did, as well as, if the threads where single point cut or with a tap, so they can cut the barrel threads to match.  If your action has never been touched, all the better.

Interesting you guys keep bringing up Trigger Tech triggers, the build Shawn is doing for me now, will be my first experience with a Trigger Tech trigger.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 12, 2019, 08:34:03 PM
Received my tactical bolt knob yesterday from Glades Armory. Today I sent bolt knob and bolt to LRI in Sturgis to have knob installed and bolt spiral fluted.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 12, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Shawn Carlock belongs in the Gunsmith Hall of Fame for his work perfecting the 338 Edge, one of the most affordable and accurate 1000 yard elk rifles ever.

Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Taco280AI on December 13, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Shawn Carlock belongs in the Gunsmith Hall of Fame for his work perfecting the 338 Edge, one of the most affordable and accurate 1000 yard elk rifles ever.

The 338 Edge isn't a rifle  ;)


 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: opdinkslayer on December 13, 2019, 05:52:23 AM
If I ever fell ace backwards into $10,000 Iíd have Carlock build me a 338 Edge! :drool: :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: dmoua on December 14, 2019, 05:36:47 PM

If it's a full custom build all I provide is the scope, but if it's a semi custom built on a Rem 700, I usually have the action, stock, and scope.  The current build Shawn's doing for me I already had everything except the trigger, rings and rail.  Sometimes gunsmiths can get a little quirky about building on an factory action that someone else, particularly if they aren't familiar with their work, has "trued" so it's generally better if you bring them a virgin Rem action that hasn't been messed with.  If you already have a trued factory action, it's helpful to know who did the work and what they all did, as well as, if the threads where single point cut or with a tap, so they can cut the barrel threads to match.  If your action has never been touched, all the better.

Interesting you guys keep bringing up Trigger Tech triggers, the build Shawn is doing for me now, will be my first experience with a Trigger Tech trigger.
Gotcha. I will call him this week and talk to him before I order any parts. Thanks again.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on December 17, 2019, 06:42:51 PM
I need bottom metal for this build. Iíll look on here before I buy new.

Remington Long action
Color-black (preferred)
Complete kit to include magazine, follower, spring
Allen head action screws if you have them

Let me know
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on January 03, 2020, 02:53:19 PM
Got my bolt back from LRI and made a trip to sportsmans warehouse for 6.5 PRC reloading supplies.

Still no Retumbo in stores. Might have to change powders for the PRC and my 300RUM.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Crunchy on January 03, 2020, 03:55:04 PM
Looks like someone has been spending some $$$$.  What did the boat cost you?  Did they put in a different extractor?
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on January 03, 2020, 04:08:01 PM
Got my bolt back from LRI and made a trip to sportsmans warehouse for 6.5 PRC reloading supplies.

Still no Retumbo in stores. Might have to change powders for the PRC and my 300RUM.

Turned out nice, they did a great job on mine as well! :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on January 03, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
$90 for installing the bolt knob (that I provided), and the fluting.

Ya, I like the work that LRI does. My second bolt Iíve sent em.

 Ow need to same $$ for the barrel and for the smith to build it. Should be done by march.

My stock from Stockys is on back order😩
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: elkaholic123 on January 03, 2020, 09:17:23 PM
I need bottom metal for this build. Iíll look on here before I buy new.

Remington Long action
Color-black (preferred)
Complete kit to include magazine, follower, spring
Allen head action screws if you have them

Let me know
I like the HS Precision DBM on my rifle.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on January 03, 2020, 09:39:33 PM
 You might add your experience to this thread for other members. ;)

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,225044.msg2993589.html#msg2993589
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on January 31, 2020, 10:21:35 PM
Man, Stockyís is taking for damned ever. I ordered my stock at the beginning of December and it is supposedly being shipped next week. I ordered the bottom metal feom them a coupe weeks ago and it also is on back ordered. Jeesh! Gonna take me forever to get this 6.5 PRC built.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 31, 2020, 10:30:34 PM
Quote
The 338 Edge isn't a rifle  ;)
 :chuckle: :chuckle:
If its from Shawn it is!
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Caseknife on February 01, 2020, 06:34:03 AM
Don't feel too bad, I ordered my stock from Stockys for my Winchester 6.5PRC build in August and they say they are still waiting for the bottom metal.  Glad that Benchmark milled the barrel to the same contour as the factory 300WSM as it is in the factory Winchester stock at this time.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on February 01, 2020, 02:07:00 PM
No way, from August?😬
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on February 11, 2020, 10:50:27 PM
After two months, I finally received my M50 fiberglass stock from Stockyís. Ive added pics of what it looks like so far. Iím waiting for my bottom metal to arrive (itís also on back order) and I will be buying the Proof CF barrel next month. Hope to have it built and done in April.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on February 11, 2020, 10:51:59 PM
 Very nice. :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: opdinkslayer on February 12, 2020, 06:02:48 AM
Should be a nice lookin rug when your done. :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on March 04, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
I called Stockyís to check on my bdl bottom metal for my build. They said they havenít heard from the vendor yet. Itís been on backorder for three months now. My patience are running out.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 04, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I called Stockyís to check on my bdl bottom metal for my build. They said they havenít heard from the vendor yet. Itís been on backorder for three months now. My patience are running out.

What's Plan B ???
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 04, 2020, 06:06:34 PM
No sense waiting on crap like that. Go get bottom metal somewhere else.  :twocents:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 04, 2020, 06:11:04 PM
No sense waiting on crap like that. Go get bottom metal somewhere else.  :twocents:
  :yeah:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: kentrek on March 04, 2020, 08:24:12 PM
I have some bottom metal options that may work for you if your interested

Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on March 08, 2020, 10:17:13 PM
Thatís the thing, canít find bottom metal anywhere. I need the entire kit.

Iím all ears to options.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 08, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
Thatís the thing, canít find bottom metal anywhere. I need the entire kit.

Iím all ears to options.
https://wyattsoutdoor.com/store/
They have what you need
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 08, 2020, 11:58:51 PM
 :yeah: I use wyatts in all my rifle builds with magazines now days. I have a few with hs and accurate but the people and products at wyatts is top notch.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
I was thinkin the mag box kit and hawkins bdl metal. I havent used any of the wyatts detatchables.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: yorketransport on March 09, 2020, 09:00:13 PM
I was thinkin the mag box kit and hawkins bdl metal. I havent used any of the wyatts detatchables.

I don't love the fact that their DBM uses a proprietary mag, but the Wyatts bottom metal does have a nice clean look without having a mag release hanging down 1/2" bellow the stock line.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 09, 2020, 09:07:41 PM
 :yeah: I feel itís a lot better hunting setup then tactical style over sized release button some of these companies have hanging off of theirs. I have 3 of them and all have done great and traveled all over with me and been in lots of different conditions.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jasnt on March 09, 2020, 09:35:49 PM
I have a super long mag release on my xlr.  Packed that thing through 100ís miles of wilderness and never once dropped the mag unintentionally.  :dunno: never seen it as an issue 
I like ai mags but hear the wyatts mags have larger col
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: kentrek on March 09, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
I came across a guy digging around in the snow looking for his only mag once ...said he had a few more miles of looking yet..

My brother accidentally dumped his in the snow this year also

Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jasnt on March 09, 2020, 10:12:13 PM
Guess itís better to be lucky than good
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 09, 2020, 10:18:22 PM
I was using accurate but after accidently dumping my mag a couple times on my 30-378. I said not anymore and switched to wyatts. Never a problem since.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on April 13, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
After 3mo I finally received my bottom metal for my 6.5 PRC build. Now just waiting for my Proof CF barrel then its BUILD TIME!
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on April 13, 2020, 04:00:58 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 13, 2020, 06:00:31 PM
After 3mo I finally received my bottom metal for my 6.5 PRC build. Now just waiting for my Proof CF barrel then its BUILD TIME!
Most Proofs are in stock ???  Is it at the Smiths?
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on April 13, 2020, 10:49:47 PM
No, itís being shipped directly  to me. I ordered it three weeks ago. Proofís website says they are up to 12 weeks out. So itís a waiting game. I ordered a barrel from Proof last year and it only took 2-3 weeks to arrive. Iím anxious to get it, but not inpatient.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 13, 2020, 10:58:47 PM
FYI:  Red Hawk Rifles and Stockyís usually can get a Proof Barrel to you in 3 or 4 days.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on April 13, 2020, 11:07:50 PM
Dang! Thatís fast.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: b23 on April 13, 2020, 11:57:30 PM
This place always has a lot of Proof barrels in stock and sometimes even in lengths and twist rates Proof doesn't offer to the general public.  I've bought Proof barrels from them before and they were great to deal with. https://www.evolvedballistics.com/
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on May 02, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
Have been waiting 7wks for my Proof CF barrel so I can finally start my build that has been 5mo in the making. They say 8-12wks😩.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: b23 on May 02, 2020, 02:34:51 PM
Have been waiting 7wks for my Proof CF barrel so I can finally start my build that has been 5mo in the making. They say 8-12wks😩.

Can you cancel your order?  Evolved ballistics has the exact barrel you're looking for in stock and probably for the same maybe even a lower price.  You could have it at your doorstep by next week if you wanted.  I bought my last Proof barrel from them, they were great to work with.

https://www.evolvedballistics.com/shop/proof-barrels/proof-research-bolt-action-carbon-fiber.html?barrel_length_inches=62&season=43
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on May 02, 2020, 02:49:16 PM
Thanks for the info, b23.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 02, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
You arenít talking a proof blank are you?  Because Stockyíy and Redhawk have 6.5ís in stock in a variety of configurations same day shipping. 

 https://www.stockysstocks.com/proof-research-carbon-fiber-barrels.html (https://www.stockysstocks.com/proof-research-carbon-fiber-barrels.html)

I would cancel and order another and have it shipped to High Speed Shooting in Yakima and your barrel is probably done in less than 3 weeks. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on May 02, 2020, 04:25:28 PM
Yep, I sure am. copy that.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Threewolves on May 05, 2020, 07:33:47 PM
Good choice on the 6.5 PRC. I thought I would just thoughts and info.

I picked up a 6.5 CM 2 years a go in a Kimber mountain ascent  something like 4.8 lbs. With the scope I have on it the wt is 6.6 lbs. (end of the CM craze, I did not get sucked in by the hype. I just picked this rifle up and it about floated out of my hand). I thought my rem 700 25.06 was light, weighted it and scoped it was around 9.6. So, my 300 wm was way heavier than I thought. Anyway, is kind of strange shooting a super light rifle. It just does not have the kind of heft you are used to, but it does shoot and it is super nice to shoot. At 64 years old it is a dream to carry so I was looking to the future with this one.

So, don't you know the 6.5 PRC comes out a buddy down in AZ picked up a Christensen Arms carbon in 6.5 prc 6.6 lbs for less than the 1,999.00 MSRP.

I am ok with the CM, but the PRC is 200 fps faster. I know some old elephant hunter killed a couple of tons (pun) of elephant with a 6.5 but I was thinking about taking my 25 to kill elk in MT and my wife reminded me of griz. Yep, if you are heading into griz territory... I took my 300 WM. Oh, other than real griz places. A buddys daughter took a cow moose and a big bull moose with her 260, (I know you know, 308 necked down to 6.5)

I tried the barrel break in, what a waste of time, everything is under an inch and usually around 3/4 at 100. My buddy says he is getting under 3/4 at 200 yards, but he has always be that kind of shooter. He was shooting a 6.5/284, he likes the PRC better because the other weighs almost 10 pounds. So, are we hunting or shooting? 
 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on May 05, 2020, 08:36:04 PM
Thanks for the writeup and info. Ya, id take a .300win into bear country also.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: NWShooter on May 06, 2020, 10:21:39 PM
Proof sucks! Bartlein rocks. Contours matter and twist rates are absolute. Think freebore and magazine length before prior mentioned. It all comes into play, if you really want to play.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on May 07, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
Thats like saying Fords suck, Dodge rocks. Itís preference.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 11:45:39 AM
Thats like saying Fords suck, Dodge rocks. Itís preference.
yes and no. Proof has had a lot of quality control issues to the point that some builders won't even use them. Call Defensive Edge and ask about doing a build with a proof. He'll stop you mid sentence. I recently did load development on a 300 rum with a carbon proof built by a VERY reputable builder.  It was a frustrating process to say the least. I got it to shoot ok but not even close to what I would expect out of a custom rifle.  :twocents:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 07, 2020, 12:04:50 PM
Iím hoping I get a good one - have a 30 incher in the works.  A lot of proofs being used in competition but not carbon wrapped.   Now Bartlein has jumped into the carbon game.    Hmmm. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 12:16:54 PM
Iím hoping I get a good one - have a 30 incher in the works.  A lot of proofs being used in competition but not carbon wrapped.   Now Bartlein has jumped into the carbon game.    Hmmm.
yeah hope you do too. I think stiffness had a lot to do with it. They run a really thin barrel blank and I think it's hard to tame that whip on a big magnum? I just know that's how this particular one acted for me. When I would slow it way down (win mag speeds) it would shoot ok. As soon as I'd try to step on the gas it would get wild. I tried N570, h1000, retumbo, and IMR8133, 230 hybrids, 215 hybrids, and 212 eldx.  It didnt love a combination of any of those. Ended up with n570 and 230's at 2960 and an es of 11. It also went wild when I'd try and shoot it with the magneto on it. Could have been just a bad barrel. It for sure happens but like I said before, DE won't use them, and other reputable guys are going away from them or having to send back barrels.

@hogslayer has had experience with some of this as well. I think he even cut one of his proof barrels in half to inspect it  :chuckle:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jasnt on May 07, 2020, 12:22:05 PM
I too have heard some bad stories about proof barrels.   Iíll stick to whatís worked very well for me.
That said Iíve heard some bad reviews for McGowen and criterion and both those have been great for me.  :dunno:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 07, 2020, 12:24:25 PM
Had a 28Ē HCA on it so be a good test.  I know what it should do.   Be unscrewing it and send back if it wonít shoot.    Should know in a couple weeks.  HCA didnít have a 30Ē. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
Had a 28Ē HCA on it so be a good test.  I know what it should do.   Be unscrewing it and send back if it wonít shoot.    Should know in a couple weeks.  HCA didnít have a 30Ē.
I think he can now get them? I pretty positive JonathanS is doing a 30" .338 terminator LRKM with one of his barrels?
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 12:32:39 PM
Any product out there is gonna have culls of some sort. Machines screw up and human error is always a factor. Luckily this is the greatest time in human history if you are a shooter. Endless options to do whatever you want. Just be smart. Proof is the biggest name in barrels right now but it's because they have bought and paid for it.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 07, 2020, 12:34:54 PM
Iíll have to chk with Mike for latest update, last he told me was not yet but its been awhile. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 12:36:52 PM
Iíll have to chk with Mike for latest update, last he told me was not yet but its been awhile.
I know he has been working with benchmark to expand on blanks. I think the 30"ers are a one off type deal still. I could also be completely wrong also  :chuckle:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 07, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Had a 28Ē HCA on it so be a good test.  I know what it should do.   Be unscrewing it and send back if it wonít shoot.    Should know in a couple weeks.  HCA didnít have a 30Ē.
I think he can now get them? I pretty positive JonathanS is doing a 30" .338 terminator LRKM with one of his barrels?

Correct. 30"

 :bfg:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 12:57:39 PM
Hey but back on track, how about that 26 Nosler! I'm personally a fan and I'm glad to see bullet manufactures starting to make some 6.5 pills worthy of the gas tank that the 26 has.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jolten on May 07, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
Hey but back on track, how about that 26 Nosler! I'm personally a fan and I'm glad to see bullet manufactures starting to make some 6.5 pills worthy of the gas tank that the 26 has.

I was planning on the Barnes lrx, but that heavy Berger has my attention.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 07, 2020, 01:38:05 PM
Between the 140, 144, 153.5, and 156, Berger has got you covered for faster twist rates!

There is no question the bigger 6.5s want the 156  :drool:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
Hey but back on track, how about that 26 Nosler! I'm personally a fan and I'm glad to see bullet manufactures starting to make some 6.5 pills worthy of the gas tank that the 26 has.

I was planning on the Barnes lrx, but that heavy Berger has my attention.
I've been playing with the 156's in a cheap ruger american and I've been really pleased with them. I'm picking up one of my rifles that I rebarreled this weekend and will be running them this season on a hunt or two. The 140 vld is one of my favorite bullets of all time but I wouldnt try pushing them as hard as that Nosler will.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jolten on May 07, 2020, 01:52:53 PM
Hey but back on track, how about that 26 Nosler! I'm personally a fan and I'm glad to see bullet manufactures starting to make some 6.5 pills worthy of the gas tank that the 26 has.

I was planning on the Barnes lrx, but that heavy Berger has my attention.
I've been playing with the 156's in a cheap ruger american and I've been really pleased with them. I'm picking up one of my rifles that I rebarreled this weekend and will be running them this season on a hunt or two. The 140 vld is one of my favorite bullets of all time but I wouldnt try pushing them as hard as that Nosler will.

My only concern would be how good would they hold up at under 100 yards at nosler speeds
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 02:12:27 PM
Apologies to Muley87. I got your thread mixed up with Jolten's. Had to go back and look. I wanted to hate the prc because it's the new creedmoor but it's a slick round and I'm excited to get my hands on one myself.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jasnt on May 07, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
Iíve thought about doing a 6.5 prc in my vanguard la. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 07, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
Apologies to Muley87. I got your thread mixed up with Jolten's. Had to go back and look. I wanted to hate the prc because it's the new creedmoor but it's a slick round and I'm excited to get my hands on one myself.
So says the guy with not 1 but 2 6.5 creedmoors!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2020, 04:06:45 PM
Apologies to Muley87. I got your thread mixed up with Jolten's. Had to go back and look. I wanted to hate the prc because it's the new creedmoor but it's a slick round and I'm excited to get my hands on one myself.
So says the guy with not 1 but 2 6.5 creedmoors!  :chuckle:
technically only 1 still. Itll be two tomorrow when I pick it up :chuckle:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jjhunter on May 07, 2020, 05:51:36 PM
6.5 PRC is a winner.  They did that one right! 

Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on May 08, 2020, 10:18:10 PM
Apologies to Muley87. I got your thread mixed up with Jolten's. Had to go back and look. I wanted to hate the prc because it's the new creedmoor but it's a slick round and I'm excited to get my hands on one myself.

No problem Karl. I agree with wanting to hate the new kids on the block. Never. Ought into the CM fan fair, Iíve always been a .300wm/ultra fan. Then i was looking for a lighter round for deer and my buddy told me about the PRC. Looking at the external ballistics it looks wonderful. Should be a excellent antelope gun this year.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on July 19, 2020, 10:28:17 PM
I finally received my Proof barrel after 4 1/2 months of waiting. I now have all needed parts for my 6.5 prc build. Iím taking everything to my smith on Friday. This has been a long time coming. 7mo so far.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 19, 2020, 10:32:02 PM
Looks great now the wait begins!

Fyi these proof barrels are same day shipping from a number of vendors.   Donít order directly  from Proof - costs more and takes months. 
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on July 19, 2020, 10:51:28 PM
Ya, I get a certain deal and this is what happens🤷🏻‍♂️  Agree, the wait begins. I know this is gonna be an epic rifle, so I guess the wait is worth it.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 19, 2020, 11:03:02 PM
The build process is a hobby in itself.   
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on September 13, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Finally got my rifle build done. Took 10 months.

6.5PRC
Remington 700 Long action magnum
Proof barrel
Shrewed brake
Timmney triger
Stockyís fiberglass stock
Bolt work done by LRI
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 13, 2020, 09:42:26 PM
Looks great!  Get a 100 rounds thru her to let the speed settle down then start load development!
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: huntnphool on September 13, 2020, 09:42:50 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: mountainman on September 14, 2020, 07:03:56 AM
Nice looking build! Great caliber!
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jasnt on September 14, 2020, 07:06:00 AM
Looks great.  Looking forward to a range report
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on September 18, 2020, 08:58:34 PM
Took the 6.5 PRC out for its first range day. A break in of 3-clean-3-clean then 5. I used the break in to zero the gun. I Then conducted a ladder test Shooting one shot each .1 grain of powder 58.0-59.3 for a total of 14rds. I let it cool down after each three rounds. The reaults were shocking. Usually you would have an extreme spread of several inches. These all stayed within 1.5Ē. I had to have someone use a spotting scope with a phone skope and video at slow motion to spot some of these impacts.

Wound up with a range of 58.5-58.7I got home and loaded up three rounds each of 58.5/58.6/58.7. I am going back out tomorrow and hopefully one of these will be my load.

In the below pictures, the shots iím working with are 6-8, which are at 6íoclock on the 1Ē sticky.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 18, 2020, 09:18:13 PM
Looks like any one of those should work.   #9 a flier?
Thought about trying them at 300 yards?
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on September 18, 2020, 09:33:50 PM
No, #9 just didnít fly like 6-8. It was the load (58.8) that performed differently. I thought 11-13 was gonna be another node, but then #13 didnít perform.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on September 20, 2020, 07:47:25 PM
Load development done, and I couldnít have ask for more. 58.7grns of Retumbo and 143grn Hornady eld-x. One more day at the range for a confidence shoot before Wyoming antelope next week. Finally, my 9mo project is complete.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: b23 on September 20, 2020, 07:56:40 PM
I knew there was something special about that jug of Retumbo.  Dang it, I should have kept that one.  :chuckle:

Nice shootin, looks like you've got yourself a keeper.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on September 20, 2020, 08:04:35 PM
Hahahaha, yes, and I knew I shouldíve bought both👍 Thanks again.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 20, 2020, 08:09:07 PM
I think those antelope are in trouble !
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Mulie87 on September 20, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
Ya, now I have to do my part in the field and not screw up. Last year-in Montana- I forgot to dial my elevation as I took several shots at my buck at 510yds. Luckily he was tending a doe and stuck around long enough for me to realize it🤦🏻‍♂️  And to add to the FUBAR situation, my son realized my windage dial had also moved to 5moa while in the truck. Itís a miracle I even shot that buck.
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: jasnt on September 21, 2020, 05:17:53 AM
That will do it.  And now I know who beat me too that retumbo 😤
Lol nice shooting
Title: Re: New build for 2020
Post by: Jolten on September 21, 2020, 07:59:14 PM
Can't complain about those groups.