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Title: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 09, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
Iím looking at investing some time and money into a new all around hunting rifle. Targeting everything from antelope to elk. 500 Yards is what Iíd like to be confident at for hunting. We reload our ammo so having something thatís more reload friendly would be great. Iím looking at Weatherby Vanguards in the first lite and stainless synthetic models. 7mm rem is my stainless option, first lite model comes with fluted barrel and a break so I was thinking 300 wby/win as well as 6.5x300 wby for options. If I go with the stainless model I could put more money into a scope where the first lite model will be a couple hundred more. Anyone have experience with these calibers and have input theyíd be willing to share? Iím new to the longer range rifle game so itís uncharted territory. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2019, 01:04:02 PM
I like 30 cal bullets for killing animals so 300 win or 300 wsm would be great choices if elk are regularly on the menu
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: kselkhunter on December 09, 2019, 01:04:36 PM
7mmRM and 300WM are very common calibers.   Somewhat similar too, although obviously you can shoot the heavier bullets with the 300WM.  Can't go wrong with either really if 500 yards is the range.   If you think you'd go after elk to 500 yards, I'd choose the 300WM over the 7mmRM.   


For my setup I opted for the 7mmRM in a stainless (Browning Xbolt long range).  And topped with Swarovski Z5 with custom elevation turret.   Mainly as I found the rifle on a good sale (was the prior year's model).  I had gone to the store intending to buy a 300WM Sako 85 but walked out with the Browning 7mmRM because of the value difference and it gave me more money to spend on the scope.



   
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: syoungs on December 09, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
I like the 300wm over the 7mm, but for no particular reason. Either of them would suit you fine. 7 will have slightly less recoil, 300 will hit slightly harder at these ranges. Both have killed mountains of game.

I had the same decisions to make and ended up going with the 30, so I can shoot 215 berger's. Lots of info out there on killing elk with this combo.
I didn't want to leave out owning a 7mm of some sort though, so I'm picking up a lightweight 7mm-08 too  :tup:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: buckfvr on December 09, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
I own a 7mm rem mag and have enough experience with 300 & 338 to say although I wont likely change any time soon, if it were me just getting started, Id go 300wsm and not look back......ditch the belt.  case head separation on belted cases seems to be the cause of short brass life for us.  And no, not amped up loads by any means.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 09, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
I own a 7mm rem mag and have enough experience with 300 & 338 to say although I wont likely change any time soon, if it were me just getting started, Id go 300wsm and not look back......ditch the belt.  case head separation on belted cases seems to be the cause of short brass life for us.  And no, not amped up loads by any means.

Fake news!
Your case head separation wasnít caused by the belt. The belt makes exactly zero difference if you size your brass to fit your chamber.

OP, both the 7 rm and the 300 win would make great all around hunting cartridges for you.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Houndhunter on December 09, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
I shoot a 300wsm and it works great for everything however I just purchased the 6.5-300wby. Was ready for something new and wanted to get one of the flattest shooting calibers out there. Waiting on the scope still but I plan to use this build for deer/elk/bear.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: buckfvr on December 09, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
I own a 7mm rem mag and have enough experience with 300 & 338 to say although I wont likely change any time soon, if it were me just getting started, Id go 300wsm and not look back......ditch the belt.  case head separation on belted cases seems to be the cause of short brass life for us.  And no, not amped up loads by any means.

Fake news!
Your case head separation wasnít caused by the belt. The belt makes exactly zero difference if you size your brass to fit your chamber

I reload correctly I assure you......its not fake news its common.  Your opinion for you, mine for me.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2019, 02:27:26 PM
I've reloaded 300 win by the thousands over the years and I too have had no issues qith case head seperation  :twocents:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 09, 2019, 02:31:46 PM
I own a 7mm rem mag and have enough experience with 300 & 338 to say although I wont likely change any time soon, if it were me just getting started, Id go 300wsm and not look back......ditch the belt.  case head separation on belted cases seems to be the cause of short brass life for us.  And no, not amped up loads by any means.

Fake news!
Your case head separation wasnít caused by the belt. The belt makes exactly zero difference if you size your brass to fit your chamber

I reload correctly I assure you......its not fake news its common.  Your opinion for you, mine for me.
My current batch of win mag brass has 7-9 loads on it and I havenít ever even had to trim it. Iíve also had batches of 7 RM brass with 15+ firings and lost it to split necks and not head separation.

And Buckfvr I wasnít intentionally over aggressive or trying to be mean with my post. I just got a bit excited.  :chuckle: :hello:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Eric M on December 09, 2019, 02:57:24 PM
I picked the 7mm. My son got a 300 win mag. Both have good BCs. A little less recoil in the 7mm. Both have killed animals at greater than 300 yards. Maybe you should just save and buy them both.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: HillHound on December 09, 2019, 03:58:15 PM
 I have a Montana rifle company seven MM red mag and I love it. Have killed an elk and eight or nine deer with it. The farthest shot being 450 yards and it dropped the deer in its tracks. Shooting Hornady 154 grain SSTĎs. I have a tikka T3 300 WSM that I shoot 165 grain bonded out of.  Have killed six bears, half a dozen deer, an elk, and a moose with it. Farthest shot being 400 yards which was also on a deer and dropped it in its tracks. Like already has been said if youíre leaning towards more bear or elk I might go with the 300 if youíre thinking probably more deer then I would just go with the seven MM. Having both Iím stuck with that tough decision every day  I go out. It may end up boiling down to the recoil as the seven MM is significantly less. More so in mine as my 7MM is much heavier and has a muzzle brake which my tikka does not and probably weighs a couple pounds less too. I do know a guy that got the Tikka T3 light in 300 WinMag and said it was miserable to shoot. Even after he put a muzzle break in the limb saver on it he ended up getting rid of it. Even out of my light tikka  300 WSM I wonít lie the 180 grainís arenít too comfortable especially if your sighting in.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: jrebel on December 09, 2019, 04:00:54 PM
300 win mag or 28 nosler.  I have the 300 and love it and will be building or buying a 28 nosler this year.  Good for anything in north America. 
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 09, 2019, 04:15:39 PM
Appreciate all the input so far, thank you! Sounds like I should be leaning towards 300 win mag and picking one up with a muzzle break on it. I definitely would like to be chasing elk but itíll definitely be sending more lead at deer than elk.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 09, 2019, 04:17:52 PM
I shoot a 300wsm and it works great for everything however I just purchased the 6.5-300wby. Was ready for something new and wanted to get one of the flattest shooting calibers out there. Waiting on the scope still but I plan to use this build for deer/elk/bear.

I read a couple places that the 6.5x300 can be tricky to hand load for, thatís the only thing that has worried me about that cartridge.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 09, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
I picked the 7mm. My son got a 300 win mag. Both have good BCs. A little less recoil in the 7mm. Both have killed animals at greater than 300 yards. Maybe you should just save and buy them both.

That would be nice  :chuckle: but I think Iíll go one rifle and one trailer so I can start adventuring out of state more. Thatíll be a whole new deal for me too, that will be fun to figure out lol
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2019, 04:25:10 PM
Getting a rifle threaded for a brake is pretty cheap. I wouldnt let a lack of a brake deter you from a rifle. Not to mention most brakes on factory rifles are some cheap thing that does little for recoil but makes lots of noise :chuckle:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Stein on December 09, 2019, 04:28:38 PM
I really hate to say it, but anything north of 30-06 will fit the bill.  If it were me, I would go 300 win mag, I just like proven, available and common options.


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Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 09, 2019, 04:50:57 PM
Getting a rifle threaded for a brake is pretty cheap. I wouldnt let a lack of a brake deter you from a rifle. Not to mention most brakes on factory rifles are some cheap thing that does little for recoil but makes lots of noise :chuckle:

Being loud and looking cool is the goal though right? Lol
I think I remember seeing a thread not too long ago that it was about $150 or so on average? Iíll have to look into what people say about those weatherby Accubrakes.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2019, 05:00:58 PM
Getting a rifle threaded for a brake is pretty cheap. I wouldnt let a lack of a brake deter you from a rifle. Not to mention most brakes on factory rifles are some cheap thing that does little for recoil but makes lots of noise :chuckle:

Being loud and looking cool is the goal though right? Lol
I think I remember seeing a thread not too long ago that it was about $150 or so on average? Iíll have to look into what people say about those weatherby Accubrakes.
I'm a radial brake hater so it'd be a hard pass for me on the weatherby accubrake . For what they upcharge for a brake and FL camo, you could get a standard stainless one, thread it, add a beast 4 port and have money leftover :twocents:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 05:04:38 PM
Getting a rifle threaded for a brake is pretty cheap. I wouldnt let a lack of a brake deter you from a rifle. Not to mention most brakes on factory rifles are some cheap thing that does little for recoil but makes lots of noise :chuckle:

Being loud and looking cool is the goal though right? Lol
I think I remember seeing a thread not too long ago that it was about $150 or so on average? Iíll have to look into what people say about those weatherby Accubrakes.
I'm a radical brake hater so it'd be a hard pass for me on the weatherby accubrake . For what they upcharge for a brake and FL camo, you could get a standard stainless one, thread it, add a beast 4 port and have money leftover :twocents:

But all the cool kids will laugh at you if your rifle doesnt have a matching camo pattern with your "clothing system."
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: kselkhunter on December 09, 2019, 05:09:05 PM
With that Vanguard rifle, a scope, ammo clip, and sling and you're in the 8.5 to 9lbs range for carrying/shooting weight.   Might not need a brake depending on your size and recoil tolerance.   


Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: greenhead_killer on December 09, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
Iím in the boat of 7mm fans. Iíve shot moose, elk, deer, and sheep with mine. Comes down to placement and bullet style. Itís a great all around rifle and recoil is easily manageable without a muzzle break. Good luck in your search.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Eric M on December 09, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
I picked the 7mm. My son got a 300 win mag. Both have good BCs. A little less recoil in the 7mm. Both have killed animals at greater than 300 yards. Maybe you should just save and buy them both.

That would be nice  :chuckle: but I think Iíll go one rifle and one trailer so I can start adventuring out of state more. Thatíll be a whole new deal for me too, that will be fun to figure out lol
You mentioned doing more deer than other stuff. I think you would get plenty of use out of the 7mm for deer and antelope. Its also plenty deadly on bear and elk. Its also a lot easier to shoot groups at the range.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Bofire on December 09, 2019, 05:40:38 PM
It dosen't matter, 270 thru 300 or 338 all work and the animals interviewed could not tell which bullet killed them. Just get a cool gun you like and go hunt.
Carl
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: b23 on December 09, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
I own a 7mm rem mag and have enough experience with 300 & 338 to say although I wont likely change any time soon, if it were me just getting started, Id go 300wsm and not look back......ditch the belt.  case head separation on belted cases seems to be the cause of short brass life for us.  And no, not amped up loads by any means.

Fake news!
Your case head separation wasnít caused by the belt. The belt makes exactly zero difference if you size your brass to fit your chamber.

OP, both the 7 rm and the 300 win would make great all around hunting cartridges for you.

Not trying to pick sides here but it's true, case head separation has nothing to do with the case being belted or not, and is nearly always the result of improper over sizing and repeatedly pushing the shoulder back to far.

As for a one gun do all, I've always been a big fan of 30 Cals so that's the direction I'd lean.  The new 300 PRC would be a good choice for a one gun do all cartridge.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Mulie87 on December 09, 2019, 06:17:00 PM
Ditto, 300 win/short or 7mm. 300 if you want the heavier bullets for the biggest of animals.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: walter351 on December 09, 2019, 06:24:51 PM
I think it is more of a personal preference than anything. Proper bullet construction and shot placement equals dead elk. I have a 300 wby Mark v and 7mm rem mag tikka t3 that I primarily use for elk. I could interchange them at will and never blink an eye on if it will do the job. I actually find myself looking at overall weight of the gun and how many miles I have to hike when making my choice between the two.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: MADMAX on December 09, 2019, 06:29:35 PM
I sure like the Kimber mountain ascent I purchased in 270 WSM
And hard to beat a .257 Weatherby mag for deer but for elk I think too light


Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on December 09, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
I'm a fan of the .300 Win Mag myself (the 300 WSM is also a good choice), but there's not a darn thing wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag either. I think it really comes down to whether you're a 7mm or a .30 cal kind of guy.
You can read more in depth about each cartridge below if you so choose.
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/7mm-rem-mag-vs-300-win-mag/
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/300-win-mag-vs-338-lapua-vs-338-win-mag/
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/winchester-short-magnum-270-wsm-7mm-wsm-300-wsm-325-wsm/
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: huntnphool on December 09, 2019, 06:49:01 PM
 I always seem to grab my 7mm when packing to head out, itís never failed on any of my hunts. :twocents:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 09, 2019, 06:56:21 PM
Man for a all around gun the 300win/300wsm is hard to beat.
I re barreled a 300 win to 375 ruger and didnít have one for awhile and the safes felt empty lol. So picked up a christen elr to play with in 300 win.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 09, 2019, 07:40:29 PM
300 wsm.  Go custom and you can reload 215ís for 1000 yards. 
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Bob33 on December 09, 2019, 07:54:55 PM
My vote is for a 300 WSM.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 10, 2019, 07:04:31 AM
Getting a rifle threaded for a brake is pretty cheap. I wouldnt let a lack of a brake deter you from a rifle. Not to mention most brakes on factory rifles are some cheap thing that does little for recoil but makes lots of noise :chuckle:

Being loud and looking cool is the goal though right? Lol
I think I remember seeing a thread not too long ago that it was about $150 or so on average? Iíll have to look into what people say about those weatherby Accubrakes.
I'm a radical brake hater so it'd be a hard pass for me on the weatherby accubrake . For what they upcharge for a brake and FL camo, you could get a standard stainless one, thread it, add a beast 4 port and have money leftover :twocents:

But all the cool kids will laugh at you if your rifle doesnt have a matching camo pattern with your "clothing system."

I wear danner pronghorns, the cool kids will laugh at me anyways.. :tung:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 10, 2019, 07:06:38 AM
Appreciate all the input so far, thank you!
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 15, 2019, 09:26:58 PM
My next rifle is going to be a Kimber Montana in 280 Ackley Improved...i really like 270 and 270 wsm also.


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Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: GoPlayOutside on December 15, 2019, 09:35:39 PM
Kimber Montana 300wsm has been great for me for last 10 +/- years.  Elk, deer, bear, etc from WA, ID, MT,
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: jeffro on December 15, 2019, 11:43:12 PM
My vote, and advice, would be the .300wm also
Works on anything, easy to find ammo, easy to reload for.
Time tested and proven
Plus....It comes in semiautomatic
Love my Browning Safari
And Iím saving up for an Omen

Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: opdinkslayer on December 16, 2019, 06:27:11 AM
Better just get a Tikka 7 mag like BDeckís so you can keep up with the quality trail of destruction heís had the last couple seasons! :chuckle:

Seriously if your looking for a do all cartridge, I agree with the 30 crowd. If it were me Iíd look for something with a twist rate & magazine right to shoot heavier bullets. The Browning xbolt HC or Max LR come to mind. If your willing to spend more money, get a tikka action & send it over to Mike @ HCA for a carbon killer build in 300 wsm throated for heavies.😍 Thatís where my donor Tikka is headed in a few weeks. Good luck with what ever you decide. :tup:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 16, 2019, 11:42:45 AM
Better just get a Tikka 7 mag like BDeckís so you can keep up with the quality trail of destruction heís had the last couple seasons! :chuckle:

Seriously if your looking for a do all cartridge, I agree with the 30 crowd. If it were me Iíd look for something with a twist rate & magazine right to shoot heavier bullets. The Browning xbolt HC or Max LR come to mind. If your willing to spend more money, get a tikka action & send it over to Mike @ HCA for a carbon killer build in 300 wsm throated for heavies.😍 Thatís where my donor Tikka is headed in a few weeks. Good luck with what ever you decide. :tup:
I think the 7 mag might be the way Iíll go but in a weatherby. Deck said if I come with a box of Bergerís and some H1000 youíll mount my scope for me  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: birddogdad on December 16, 2019, 12:40:44 PM
tough call on exact caliber. i run a 7mmrem mag and its deadly out way past 500yds. That said, different game may set you down different load paths which can and will change your poi for most applications (or having to zero for different loads every time).

maybe you would be better off to build a very accurate mid caliber rifle for "lighter game" and a big bore for larger north America game?

for example, i run 45/70 for deer in wet brushy applications (rainy thick stuff)
7 mag for stretching out over 700yds for deer (never needed to stretch this far but am comfy to 1K)
375 h&h for elk comfy out to around 500yds  and i have a true long range big bore if i ever draw something special to reach out well past that.

your options are endless frankly. Yes, one gun can cover but where is the fun in that!!!
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: opdinkslayer on December 16, 2019, 01:12:14 PM
Better just get a Tikka 7 mag like BDeckís so you can keep up with the quality trail of destruction heís had the last couple seasons! :chuckle:

Seriously if your looking for a do all cartridge, I agree with the 30 crowd. If it were me Iíd look for something with a twist rate & magazine right to shoot heavier bullets. The Browning xbolt HC or Max LR come to mind. If your willing to spend more money, get a tikka action & send it over to Mike @ HCA for a carbon killer build in 300 wsm throated for heavies.😍 Thatís where my donor Tikka is headed in a few weeks. Good luck with what ever you decide. :tup:
I think the 7 mag might be the way Iíll go but in a weatherby. Deck said if I come with a box of Bergerís and some H1000 youíll mount my scope for me  :chuckle:

 :chuckle: well that was might generous of him to offer my services! Ya we could definitely do that. :tup:😎
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 16, 2019, 01:22:42 PM
The new Christensen titanium action, carbon barrel, with composite stock and titanium brake at 5.8# before scope for $2200 street price would be worth looking at but I've killed a lot of stuff with a Vanguard. 
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: 7mm Bob on December 23, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
When I was 15 (40 years ago) my dad bought me a brand new 7mm Remington model 700 BDL. It's killed a helluva lot of game over the years and to this day it's the one that I take almost every time. That said, absolutely nothing wrong with the 300 either.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 27, 2019, 05:53:05 PM
Got my scope earlier than I thought. Came in the 23rd, now just need to pick up a rifle to put it on   8)
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2019, 07:57:18 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Utah on December 27, 2019, 10:27:26 PM
Kimber Montana 300wsm has been great for me for last 10 +/- years.  Elk, deer, bear, etc from WA, ID, MT,

Bingo!   
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Wsucoug on December 28, 2019, 12:03:54 AM
Got my scope earlier than I thought. Came in the 23rd, now just need to pick up a rifle to put it on   8)

Do you have a budget for the rifle?
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Wsucoug on December 28, 2019, 12:11:11 AM
28 nosler is the new cool kid for speed.

It seems that all of the new high BC bullets are coming in 7mm. If you use these new bullets, ballistically you catch the 300 win mag somewhere around 650 yards with a 7 mag. Under 650 they are both gonna hit hard. Over 650 the new 7mm bullets start to shine.

Sometimes when shopping for a new rifle you have to be a little flexible with your caliber as its not always easy to find the rifle you want, in the caliber you want, when you want it.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on December 28, 2019, 07:27:17 AM
Got my scope earlier than I thought. Came in the 23rd, now just need to pick up a rifle to put it on   8)

Do you have a budget for the rifle?
I can pick up a brand new wby vanguard synthetic stainless for just over 500 so Iíd like to stick around that price.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on June 07, 2020, 08:11:16 PM
Finished product. Ended up going with weatherby vanguard first lite in .270 win. Something I can have the wife use with ease with the break When she goes with and still have something to use on anything from antelope to elk. Now just gotta get it to the range and work up a load. Thinking about trying the 140 gr Berger VLDís. Unless anyone has some other recommendations?
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: jstone on June 07, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
Nice set up
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: opdinkslayer on June 07, 2020, 08:28:36 PM
Good looking setup buckrub. If your gonna try Bergers, the 140 classic hunters might be easier to tune than the vldís. Maybe a 140 or 150 accubond if ya want a bonded bullet. Good luck with your load work. :tup:
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 07, 2020, 08:39:43 PM
Sweet looking rifle!   Usually VLDís and big jumps need some luck to work but could happen.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: yorketransport on June 07, 2020, 08:48:03 PM
The Sierra Gamechangers might be worth looking at. I fought with my 27 Boondoogle trying to get acceptable groups and the 140 Gamechangers ended up working great. They hold together better than the Bergers, if that's what you're looking for in a bullet.
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: jasnt on June 07, 2020, 09:05:44 PM
Vanguard is a great action.  Iíd go 300wm
Title: Re: Help choosing a new hunting caliber.
Post by: sticky on June 12, 2020, 05:48:19 PM
Pretty gun.  I would have gone 30-06, but I have a sweet spot for that cartridge.  I'm sure your choice will do just fine.  Congrats on a nice rifle.