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Title: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 10, 2019, 01:31:10 PM
There is an add for a sled that in part reads:  "blown cylinder with rebuild kit has brand new track on it solid machine with a little work comes with lost of spare parts"

How hard would it be to replace the blown cylinder and or would you steer clear of this type of project?  A very non mechanically inclined person is asking!    :hello:
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2019, 01:39:21 PM
A shop and Tools and mechanically inclined itís not that bad of a project.  Otherwise.   :bdid:
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 10, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
A shop and Tools and mechanically inclined itís not that bad of a project.  Otherwise.   :bdid:

 :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2019, 02:27:56 PM
sent you a PM  :tup:
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Caseyd on December 10, 2019, 03:20:01 PM
Could be easy, could be a nightmare. Nightmare comes once you open it up and realize other parts are toast
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 10, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
Unless its dirt cheap I would steer clear if you arent into lots of elbow grease. In my experience snowmobiles go downhill pretty quick once theres been a major breakdown. Its the top end this time so robably quick enough fix but it will become lawn ornament pretty quick  :twocents:
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: TommyH on December 10, 2019, 04:46:05 PM
What year/brand/price?
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: grimace on December 10, 2019, 06:12:27 PM
It could go either way... If it broke a ring or melted a piston because it was lean no problem slap a new piston and cylinder on it and go. If it broke a piston skirt and pieces went through the bottom end its very possible you are looking at a new crank maybe case halves too. Like others said, I would probably pass if you haven't done that kind of work before.

G
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 10, 2019, 06:58:34 PM
Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2019, 07:00:32 PM
Post the ad.🤔
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: b23 on December 10, 2019, 07:20:22 PM
Two strokes, assuming this is a 2 stroke, for the most part, are pretty easy to rebuild, but not knowing the extent of what all is wrong, broken, or just flat effed up, makes it very difficult to give you any kind of specific answer/s.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 10, 2019, 08:45:37 PM
Here's the add.  He thinks he just lost the rings, but he's not sure if there is any other engine damage.  Photos are a tad rough looking.

https://spokane.craigslist.org/snw/d/kingston-skandic-wide-track/7034945713.html
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2019, 10:15:14 PM
This one look like a good deal, and it runs for $950 more.😉

https://spokane.craigslist.org/snw/d/college-place-yamaha-sx-viper/7036131111.html
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2019, 10:30:24 PM
Two for one.🤣

https://spokane.craigslist.org/snw/d/spokane-ski-doo-snowmobiles/7031843910.html
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
Disposable sleds.👍

https://spokane.craigslist.org/snw/d/deer-park-skidoo-377s/7032112715.html
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: jeffro on December 10, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
This one look like a good deal, and it runs for $950 more.😉

https://spokane.craigslist.org/snw/d/college-place-yamaha-sx-viper/7036131111.html

 :yeah:

$1000 for a blownup 23yo sled isnít realistic.
$2k for a running 16yo with extras is a much better deal
Plus, I love my Yamaha sled
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
This one look like a good deal, and it runs for $950 more.😉

https://spokane.craigslist.org/snw/d/college-place-yamaha-sx-viper/7036131111.html

 :yeah:

$1000 for a blownup 23yo sled isnít realistic.
$2k for a running 16yo with extras is a much better deal
Plus, I love my Yamaha sled

@jeffro

Sleds depreciate pretty fast donít they?
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 11, 2019, 09:01:39 AM
I should have been more clear, I'm only looking for a Skandic or a Tundra. 
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: BDildine on December 11, 2019, 09:22:34 AM
having pieced more than one together (i'm cheap and love to tinker), 1k for one thats blown up isnt a great deal. I'm always leary of how they *know* what the issue is without starting to tear stuff down, then you get to piece together the jigsaw puzzle of parts not labeled, just thrown in a box/bucket and inevitably parts are always missing.
I may have a sled for you unless your set on a tundra though (2002 Arctic cat 660 touring) its a 4 stroke, elect start 2 seater, or take out back seat and have a large cargo area....
(not actual sled, but shows you what its like https://www.snowmobileforum.com/attachments/camp-sheldon-020-jpg.16403/ )
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2019, 09:40:43 AM
If I understand what Machias is doing or wants to do, he's going to want a lightweight wide track sled. 


Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 11, 2019, 10:00:43 AM
 :yeah: :tup:  I think I found a perfect one over in Lolo, MT, if they'll just answer my messages.  :)
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 11, 2019, 09:00:04 PM
If I understand what Machias is doing or wants to do, he's going to want a lightweight wide track sled.

Same thing I want one for probably, minus the trapping part.😉
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: bearpaw on December 11, 2019, 10:05:37 PM
Fred, I recently bought a 2007 skandic SWT with 5k miles for $1750, it has the old 800 4-stroke and seems to run decent for what I paid. I've had a chance to run it alongside the tundras we have and I pulled some heavy loads with a passenger too, it's a beast as far as pulling. But any of the tundras will go faster/farther/climb steeper hills in deep powdery snow. On deep heavy wet snow I think the skandic might outperform the tundras but I haven't been in that situation yet to actually compare.

We have two tundra 600 ACE 4 strokes, one tundra 600 etec 2 stroke, one old 2000 skandic 2 stroke (which is physically more like the newer tundras than a skandic swt), and I also recently purchased two more new tundras with the 550f. I'm not completely in love with the 550f engine, it's a 2 stroke fan cooled (no radiator) but considered very reliable, so far no problems, we've put 700 miles on them. The 550f tundras are pretty affordable for new sleds, I figured I could rebuild them once or twice if needed for the price difference.

FYI - I did overheat the 600 etec last February one day and this winter I must have over heated it again on a warm day because I seized a cylinder, I waited for it to cool down and the piston broke loose, the engine ran well enough to get me 10 or 12 miles back to the truck, that engine is in getting rebuilt right now. Less than 3000 miles on that sled, but I learned that the 600 etec without a radiator/fan is more susceptible to over heating on warm winter days, I probably won't buy another sled with that engine because we always have a few warm winter days every winter. We ran the 600 ACE snowmobiles the same warm days and they did fine, but they have a radiator with a fan. We also ran one of the 550f tundras the same day I seized the 600 etec and the 550f didn't seem to over heat.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Tracker0721 on December 12, 2019, 06:10:45 AM
Just got my Skandic going yesterday. It was running fine in summer but I had to take carbs off and spray it all with carb cleaner even though it looked the same as when I cleaned it in summer. Started up and Iím using it to check bobcat traps today since we got even more snow last night. Itís just the 380 but seems like itís got a lot torque behind it. Bought mine this summer for $650 so for the same one not running and $350 more? Probably not a good deal.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Machias on December 12, 2019, 08:16:35 AM
Thanks Dale!!
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2019, 08:29:27 AM
If I understand what Machias is doing or wants to do, he's going to want a lightweight wide track sled.


In my lifetime we always ran Arctic Cats, except for one Ski-doo.     It was always the hunting sled.  It would go on snow the Cats never could because it was lighter and had a wider track.  Its funny because it had the least amount of power but it was always the trail breaker.    It also ran the coolest and you could idle along looking for tracks or hunting, without burning it up.  Snowmobiles have changed SOOOOO much since then with their track design, but it seems Skidoo still seems to have the corner of the "hunting" market.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 11:16:14 AM
Arctic cat makes a 550 bearcat wide track, but hard to find in the wide track version.

I kinda want a 4 stroke to keep the smoke and scent down, 2 strokes coat my hunting gear pretty good

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Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2019, 11:22:23 AM
It does for sure.   
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2019, 11:23:28 AM
I was going to go that route because they banned 2 strokes in Yellowstone.  Iím not sure if that still is in effect, but thought I might get there someday.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/newbatlist.htm




"Snowmobiles older than 2015 will not be approved"



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Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 12:30:26 PM
They seem partial to skidoos

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Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2019, 12:31:39 PM
Not my idea of a Bat mobile but ok.   Yes it does. I was trying to figure out if that was a partial list  or ....
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 12:32:29 PM
New rukes go in wffect in 2020, so if you're going to re-Google this list

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Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 12:33:16 PM
You might think about renting a 2-up,  from what I understand it's a pretty slow long boring ride across very flat trails with a guide and very anal parks employees
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Iím not going anytime soon.  I have to see if I still have a job in the next month or two, which is why I donít have a new sled already in the back of my truck.  It might be such a pain in the ass with Regs I just cross that off the bucket list. 
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: BDildine on December 13, 2019, 09:45:39 AM
yellowstone changes the "approved" sled list every few years, have to be 4 stroke with emissions crap.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 13, 2019, 10:18:37 AM
Since were talking sleds ..... Are their any types that are a complete stay away from? And Iím talking more used than new.
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: KFhunter on December 13, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Since were talking sleds ..... Are their any types that are a complete stay away from? And Iím talking more used than new.

Ya, but the list is fairly extensive.  If you find one feel free to ask about it, might be the easier way. 

Or what exactly is that you want to do with it?


Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 13, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Since were talking sleds ..... Are their any types that are a complete stay away from? And Iím talking more used than new.

Ya, but the list is fairly extensive.  If you find one feel free to ask about it, might be the easier way. 

Or what exactly is that you want to do with it?

Cruising the roads in winter looking for cats.😉
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: TommyH on December 13, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
New-ish sleds of any Polaris/ski-donít/arctic cat have all made quality sleds in the last 7-10 years (maybe longer) IMO Polaris had an edge over the others before that for mountain sleds anyways. You can find a used sled that fits your desired use fairly cheap. Mines 15 years old and makes me smile all day!
Title: Re: Snowmobile Guru's
Post by: bearpaw on December 14, 2019, 08:34:19 AM
I'm pretty sure skidoo etec two strokes are approved by the park service, I think they are the only approved two strokes.