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Title: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 09:15:23 AM
I know there are many spring bear topics currently .
But I can't remember the draw date last year.
How many points ,I'm gonna need to draw most popular permits.


I did find this for 2019

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/special-hunts/results/bear


Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Tenkara on February 10, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
It took me 7 points to draw in 2016.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 09:33:32 AM
It took me 7 points to draw in 2016.

7 points
I guess I shouldn't get to excited about going in with 4 points.
Is there avg.number of points to draw some kind of joke?
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2020, 09:33:59 AM
Which unit is your no 1 choice?
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 09:36:23 AM
Which unit is your no 1 choice?
Don't really want to show and tell but it's 121.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2020, 09:37:58 AM
I'd say 4 points gives you at least decent odds. I didn't draw Skagit last year with 6 points. The whole odds game, imo, is really nonsense but you gotta put in to get drawn!
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 09:40:58 AM
I put in already,with some other units.
Was really excited.now I'm just kinda blah.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: 270Flat on February 10, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
I drew w/ 8 last year. It was definitely a quality tag for me for my area
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2020, 09:47:14 AM
Avg points to draw in 2019 in 121 was 3.19. Tags were 100 available with 941 applicants. So you are above the average to draw.

Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Stein on February 10, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
It's a random draw, I wouldn't look at it as anything else.  WDFW gives averages which is unfortunate as it leads a bunch of people to think that the odds are WAY better than they are.

You can subscribe to GoHunt to see very near the actual odds at any point level from last year or do some crude math for free and get fairly close.

For example, I picked a unit with an average of about 3 points to draw.  The actual odds of drawing with 3 points was 18%.  The odds weren't over 50% until you got to 6 points.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 10, 2020, 10:30:17 AM
The average points that wdfw publishes is nothing more than the average points of the winner. It doesnít tell you what it takes to draw because ďwhat it takes to drawĒ isnít even a thing with our draw system.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 11:05:05 AM
Wasn't the draw around March 14 last year.
I can't remember these days.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Tenkara on February 10, 2020, 11:10:40 AM
Wasn't the draw around March 14 last year.
I can't remember these days.
You have until the end of March to apply.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: 92xj on February 10, 2020, 11:12:02 AM
Wasn't the draw around March 14 last year.
I can't remember these days.
You have until the end of March to apply.

False
Feb 28

Unless you are trying to get people to miss the deadline on purpose to better your odds, then the deadline is the end of March.    :chuckle:
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Tenkara on February 10, 2020, 11:24:19 AM
Wasn't the draw around March 14 last year.
I can't remember these days.
You have until the end of March to apply.

False
Feb 28

Unless you are trying to get people to miss the deadline on purpose to better your odds, then the deadline is the end of March.    :chuckle:
lol, no I thought the deadline was end of March, I must have bear and multi season mixed up, sorry about the false info.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 11:58:22 AM
What day do you guys predict I will be in the LL.
You know the day they post the winners.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: knighttime25 on February 10, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
Here is your odds from goHUNT...
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Bango skank on February 10, 2020, 12:39:08 PM
Here is your odds from goHUNT...

Can you check odds on sherman/101 with 4 pts?
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: ctwiggs1 on February 10, 2020, 01:03:03 PM
Here is your odds from goHUNT...

Can you check odds on sherman/101 with 4 pts?
11%
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Bango skank on February 10, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
Here is your odds from goHUNT...

Can you check odds on sherman/101 with 4 pts?
11%

Really???
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: colersu22 on February 10, 2020, 04:32:08 PM
I drew 121 in 2018 with 2 points and ghosted the point last year.  My buddy has been putting in for 121 the past 3 years and has not drawn but hopefully he can get it this year with 4 points.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: cougforester on February 10, 2020, 04:44:50 PM
Lot of us going for 121 with 4 points  :chuckle: :hello:
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: trophyhunt on February 10, 2020, 06:49:50 PM
It takes me 5-6 points to draw my tag, 2 of my friends Drew last year and year before w 1 point both times, just takes luck.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: dmoua on February 10, 2020, 08:05:50 PM
Drew with 1 point in 2016 and 3 points in 2019.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 08:31:10 PM
Drew with 1 point in 2016 and 3 points in 2019.
Seen your YouTube channel
You have shot some nice ones  :tup:
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: elkoholic1 on February 10, 2020, 08:36:30 PM
I've got 8 points going on 9 for this spring maybe this is the year....  :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
Thanks everybody for input. :tup:
Sounds like I'm in the middle of the road ,might be around the corner,might be a few miles to go.
Looks like I'm putting in for a very popular unit.
I will be in the LL pissed off and drunk-if I'm drawn I will be pissed off and drunk,win win .
GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: XJcoug13 on February 13, 2020, 12:39:57 PM
Many units will see more Apps this year because Kapowisin is no longer a spring bear hunt.  That's 500+ apps going to other spring tags.  I have a feeling my home unit of Copalis will have 500+ applicants this year.  Hoping to draw with 4 points  :tup:
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 13, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
Many units will see more Apps this year because Kapowisin is no longer a spring bear hunt.  That's 500+ apps going to other spring tags.  I have a feeling my home unit of Copalis will have 500+ applicants this year.  Hoping to draw with 4 points  :tup:
I think it said there was over 10,000 applicants last year .I don't know the exact number of tags this year maybe around 600,somebody can tell ya on here.But Somebody is going home with no tag.

Then they always pick a few people with low points to bring down there avg.To try a make the hunt look good to sell more apps.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: bowhunterty on February 13, 2020, 04:10:17 PM
Ive been lucky and have drawn every 4 years. First year it was open drew Copalis then drew a Blues tag in 2012, 2016.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: millerwheeler on February 13, 2020, 04:45:24 PM
8 points may be this is my year lol
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: CougHunter on February 13, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Is it worth it to apply if you haven't been accumulating points?

I'm just starting to figure out the points system. It seems like it'd be good to apply to get a point even if I'm not drawn. Especially to an area with a higher chance of being drawn.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: millerwheeler on February 13, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
Is it worth it to apply if you haven't been accumulating points?

I'm just starting to figure out the points system. It seems like it'd be good to apply to get a point even if I'm not drawn. Especially to an area with a higher chance of being drawn.

Lots of people draw tags with no points or few entries  can't know unless u try bud
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: CougHunter on February 13, 2020, 07:00:27 PM
Awesome. I'll apply tonight. Just wanted to make sure that I had a shot. Somehow, I've always struggled to find good information on the points system. I'm slowly getting things figured out.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: ctwiggs1 on February 13, 2020, 07:04:31 PM
This ainít Wyoming - always apply!
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: wheels on February 13, 2020, 08:38:27 PM
i drew twice  2 points or less
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: The scout on February 13, 2020, 08:53:25 PM
I like hearing all these optimistic stories, the least Iíve drawn with is 7
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: snake on February 18, 2020, 08:14:19 PM
ive drawn with 2 points
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: 87Ford on February 18, 2020, 08:30:55 PM
I drew Kelly Hill last year with 9 points
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 18, 2020, 08:34:37 PM
They always like to have a handful of low points to bring down the average points to draw ,to make the hunt more appealing to draw in more people .That's what makes it more of a lottery draw.They should make it so you can't draw without 2 points,if you drew last year you have to ghost point.Helps slow down point creep also gives a better average of points needed to draw .Whatever they say the average is I would add a point to that, Because they have picked people with low points to bring down average.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: ctwiggs1 on February 18, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
The only way to eliminate points issues is to eliminate points.  Itís past time to shut the system down.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 18, 2020, 10:20:46 PM
Usually takes 3 or 4 tries.  Doesnt matter how many points.   If lucky draw every 3rd year. Unlucky might go 7 or 8 years. 
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Bango skank on February 18, 2020, 11:29:16 PM
I drew Kelly Hill last year with 9 points

Did you ghost point some years or did it actually take you that long to draw?
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 19, 2020, 05:22:38 AM
7
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: 87Ford on February 19, 2020, 05:32:59 AM
I drew Kelly Hill last year with 9 points

Did you ghost point some years or did it actually take you that long to draw?
Applied and did not draw years 1-7, ghost pointed year 8, then drew with 9
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 19, 2020, 07:10:47 AM
Took me 8 to draw last year.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: nwhunter on February 19, 2020, 07:44:04 AM
I agree with the comments to always apply because you always have a chance in this state. I would add to that, especially on these spring bear tags, to apply if you really are going to dedicate the time it takes to hunt these tags because not only are their plenty of us that would love to get a tag and go hunt but these hunts are also needful predator control management tools. Bears in the spring especially reek havoc on the fawns and calf elk numbers and we need these tags used. Many of these spring hunts are tough hunts that have to be treated just like a fall hunt that need a week of time and maybe a few trips over to be successful and a lot of guys I think put in just because its winter time and we are all itching to get out and back in the mountains.. Don't get me wrong these are fun hunts and anyone who loves to hunt should get to do a spring bear hunt just know going in we need these tags hunted seriously..
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: SpicyTacos on February 19, 2020, 10:04:56 PM
How many on this thread have harvested a spring bear when drawn. Post up a spring bear pic. I want to go hunting right now.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 19, 2020, 10:21:47 PM
How many on this thread have harvested a spring bear when drawn. Post up a spring bear pic. I want to go hunting right now.
I feel ya .
Ready for the draw ,so I can be let down.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Bango skank on February 20, 2020, 03:09:28 AM
How many on this thread have harvested a spring bear when drawn. Post up a spring bear pic. I want to go hunting right now.

I only drew once, drew huckleberry in 2016.  First bear i saw that season was in mid april.  Almost shot him but decided to wait.  In early may i killed this old sow.  5th bear i saw that day.  Was trying to call in another bear i spotted and moved on, this one snuck up behind me, hsd no idea it was there.  10 yards with winchester model 88.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: hunter399 on February 20, 2020, 05:09:10 AM
How many on this thread have harvested a spring bear when drawn. Post up a spring bear pic. I want to go hunting right now.

I only drew once, drew huckleberry in 2016.  First bear i saw that season was in mid april.  Almost shot him but decided to wait.  In early may i killed this old sow.  5th bear i saw that day.  Was trying to call in another bear i spotted and moved on, this one snuck up behind me, hsd no idea it was there.  10 yards with winchester model 88.
Nice rug bango  :tup:
That's a shooter for sure.👌
I think I see that 556 hideing under there.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: 92xj on February 20, 2020, 05:53:46 AM
How many on this thread have harvested a spring bear when drawn. Post up a spring bear pic. I want to go hunting right now.

2 for 2 for me.
Here is last years bear. 
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48034466331_b50a999be9_b.jpg)
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: trophyhunt on February 20, 2020, 06:23:43 AM
Iíve drawn about 6 times killed 4 bears, first year I didnít have a clue what I was doing, couple draws ago I passed up bears that I didnít want to shoot.  Looking back, I should not have passed up one of the bears to help the deer/elk out.  Great bears above guys! 
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Bango skank on February 20, 2020, 07:54:08 AM
6 times?  Thats crazy
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: trophyhunt on February 20, 2020, 07:59:51 AM
Drew the first year it came out, and have applied ever since.  Was lucky one year and drew w one point.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Cascade on February 20, 2020, 08:12:22 AM
I'm 3 for 3.  I drew with 3 points, 1 point, and 5 points.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: SpicyTacos on February 20, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
Wow. Well done fellas! Nice critters. I have not been selected to hunt spring bear. If I do Iíll be looking for advice.
Itís one thing to draw. To harvest is a whole different game. I have been bear hunting quite a few times with no luck. I live and work in the San Juan islands. So itís difficult to get out and pattern animals. Throw me a bone someone!
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: dmoua on February 20, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
2/2
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Lapua338 on February 24, 2020, 07:11:23 AM
anyone ever drawn unit 633? any luck?
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Bango skank on February 24, 2020, 07:18:47 AM
anyone ever drawn unit 633? any luck?

Harvest reports for 2017 & 2018 show zero harvest success from completed reports.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 24, 2020, 09:22:55 AM
I'm chomping at the bit to draw spring bear but its points only for me this year due to a move. Next year I'll be sitting on 6 points and hoping to head to the NE corner to shoot a color phase bear!!!
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Lapua338 on February 24, 2020, 09:44:13 AM
If i already submitted for a unit is there anyway to change it before the dead line?
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: ctwiggs1 on February 24, 2020, 09:48:51 AM
If i already submitted for a unit is there anyway to change it before the dead line?

Yep, just log in and click "Edit"
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Lapua338 on February 24, 2020, 09:59:55 AM
Thanks!!
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 25, 2020, 07:13:03 AM
6 times?  Thats crazy

Going for six this year. 
2007 - 2008/Capitol Forest, 2010/Lincoln, 2015/Tucannon, 2018/Kelly Hill. 
Capitol Forest was different.  :o  Surprised we did it twice and survived.
Bear baiting, snare trapping, and hound hunting was occurring in Capitol Forest and Lincoln during the hunts. 
Sticking to the NE now.
Title: Re: SPRING BEAR-DRAW TIMES-HOW MANY POINTS TO DRAW
Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 25, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
6 times?  Thats crazy

Going for six this year. 
2007 - 2008/Capitol Forest, 2010/Lincoln, 2015/Tucannon, 2018/Kelly Hill. 
Capitol Forest was different.  :o  Surprised we did it twice and survived.
Bear baiting, snare trapping, and hound hunting was occurring in Capitol Forest and Lincoln during the hunts. 
Sticking to the NE now.

Pulled a few bears out of capital general season.. only cause itís  in my backyard(10 minute drive). Itís doable but the northeast is the way to go


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