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Title: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: JH on February 21, 2020, 11:58:56 AM
I am considering getting my '13 Powerstroke deleted. Any shop recommendations?
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Woodchuck on February 21, 2020, 12:04:21 PM
Most shops won't touch it because it is a federally mandated emissions system.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 21, 2020, 12:11:34 PM
Ya need a friend mechanic and case of Coors!  Order kits online and get after it.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: elksnout on February 21, 2020, 07:55:13 PM
What does "deleting" mean? I see this referenced often.

Elksnout
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
What does "deleting" mean? I see this referenced often.

Elksnout

Removing emissions stuff. Egr system, DPF, etc.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2020, 09:03:24 PM
Most shops won't touch it because it is a federally mandated emissions system.

This. Itís illegal to tamper with so most places wonít risk their livelihoods.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 21, 2020, 10:07:23 PM
Illegal now, yes.  What blows my mind is people will pay 80,000 for these trucks but wont spend 2500$ on delete and tuning.   Yet that deleted truck is the one getting 12-17mpg and blowing by ya on the pass with heavy loads??   Hmm.  I know I will just keep on trucking Vantage on cruise at 68mph loaded.  500hp is kinda fun as well.  :twocents:   Pyrometer required!!
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Special T on February 22, 2020, 03:06:54 AM
As some one whom uses thier truck for work, I will keep my pre 2007 dodge Cummins till the wheels fall off. Then I will fix and bolt back on. 20k to replace the motor and transmission seems like a deal compared to the garbage that is out there now. Especially when you compare the cost of new.

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Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Fastass350 on February 22, 2020, 06:57:31 AM
Where are you located? I can help you out or recommend a good shop.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: follow maggie on February 22, 2020, 07:49:25 AM
Illegal now, yes.  What blows my mind is people will pay 80,000 for these trucks but wont spend 2500$ on delete and tuning.   Yet that deleted truck is the one getting 12-17mpg and blowing by ya on the pass with heavy loads??   Hmm.  I know I will just keep on trucking Vantage on cruise at 68mph loaded.  500hp is kinda fun as well.  :twocents:   Pyrometer required!!

Itís always been illegal, the epa is just recently stepping up enforcement. Theyíve been putting the screws on h manufacturers. Pretty soon only epa compliant tunes will be available.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 22, 2020, 08:38:08 AM
Ya, true.  I have 06 Dodge.  I bought it and it had a stupid tuner box on it Quadzilla I think?  Ya could adjust/tune everything manually.  Darn truck was making 46psi boost and I couldn't stop it.  Maybe truck has head studs and injectors but I do not know for sure so I removed it.  I had Anarchy diesel, tuner Phil write custom tunes for my truck.  I told him what I wanted, what aftermarket parts/mods are done etc.  He wrote up good safe tunes.   Now truck will not exceed max safe boost psi, runs cleaner, responds well with the 6 speed manual trans and still has a go fast play tune.  I have switch/knob with 1-5 position that I can just turn it at will and all is good.  Optimized stock tune, heavy tow tune about 60hp, economy performance tune 90-100hp and a 140 play and a 180-200hp stupid tune.  I run #3 most the time which is the 100hp.   Tow with it normal loads and egt will stay in safe limits.Tpy hauler, dump trlr etc.  I have used tow tune 60 with toy hauler loaded up in mnts as well.  I keep egts below 1325.  If its 1300 I don't worry and stay on it.   Only downfall is no exhaust brake but a manual helps some.  If I need it I would go with a Pacbrake exhaust brake with a stock/475 twin turbo set up.  With this set truck is almost un touchable imop.  Cummins are such good engines.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Encore 280 on February 22, 2020, 08:46:22 AM
Not trying to start anything negative here but I don't understand that if Cumins are the cat's meow then why do they all need the tuners and add ons?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2020, 08:50:27 AM
Illegal now, yes.  What blows my mind is people will pay 80,000 for these trucks but wont spend 2500$ on delete and tuning.   Yet that deleted truck is the one getting 12-17mpg and blowing by ya on the pass with heavy loads??   Hmm.  I know I will just keep on trucking Vantage on cruise at 68mph loaded.  500hp is kinda fun as well.  :twocents:   Pyrometer required!!

Mostly because 90% of them people who have those trucks dont use them to their full potential and can get away with half tons, and maybe because you can do the same with a stock truck. 475hp and 1050lbs-ft of torque from a powerstroke without having to spend $2500 to mess with it and hope it works. Sometimes I think your fears about current diesels are stuck in the Cummins 2007.5 era.  Theyíre not issues anymore.   I worked for Dodge then. Iím aware of the issues. Iím aware thereís no convincing you of that, but if youíre using a truck like you say you do, you wonít have problems with them anymore. The problems stem from letting them idle too much and not using/working them. I know I wonít change your mind and Iím good with that.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 22, 2020, 09:04:24 AM
 :yeah:   You are correct. :chuckle:   They are much much better now.  Agreed.  The price is the killer!   475/1000 are more than anyone will likely ever need.  Actually I do not think its safe for these new trucks to tow 35000lbs?  I am stuck at 2007.5, the year it all changed!   I am liking the new 7.3 gasser and that truck would probably do what I need quite well, except for mpg maybe!  400hp and 800tq is all I need honestly.  I am old school as well so biased in the simplicity of things and in the prospect of doing the work at home...
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 22, 2020, 09:06:14 AM
Not trying to start anything negative here but I don't understand that if Cumins are the cat's meow then why do they all need the tuners and add ons?  :dunno:
They don't but if ya do it doesn't blow up like Fords did!   Cummins has 33% less parts to break and is same design/tech as the million mile big rigs use.  So that's about it in nutshell.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2020, 09:13:16 AM
:yeah:   You are correct. :chuckle:   They are much much better now.  Agreed.  The price is the killer!   475/1000 are more than anyone will likely ever need.  Actually I do not think its safe for these new trucks to tow 35000lbs?  I am stuck at 2007.5, the year it all changed!   I am liking the new 7.3 gasser and that truck would probably do what I need quite well, except for mpg maybe!  400hp and 800tq is all I need honestly.  I am old school as well so biased in the simplicity of things and in the prospect of doing the work at home...

Right on. The MPG will be a huge downside to the 7.3. Still havenít seen one in person. Weird.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Pnwrider on February 22, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
Most places wonít even sell the delete kits anymore. EPA has been cracking down hard.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 22, 2020, 10:07:33 AM
True.   I cant believe ya haven't got the new 7.3 in yet?   Crazy.   Hearing good things so far about it.   I think they will be good sales!   :twocents:
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2020, 10:30:12 AM
One of my city accounts and at least 2 of my construction accounts have stopped ordering trucks with Diesel engines at this point. Seeing more and more gas powered bigger trucks lately. F350 and bigger I mean. Mostly because of idle time issues and short trip/stop and go issues. Canít shut them off in the middle of a regen and they donít get driven far enough to go through a full cycle. If they see the highway or a load now and then they tend to be fine. One city account I have has a standing rule with their crews. Once a week the diesel trucks get driven 30 freeway miles to fully burn themselves out.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2020, 10:31:15 AM
Full disclosure is we suck at selling trucks. Have not had a lot of success selling to fleet accounts. We do a good service business but the sales lags. Thatís probably why we havenít seen the 7.3ís yet.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: bear on February 23, 2020, 04:55:25 AM
Keep in mind with deleting itíll hurt your trade in value. Private sale may not be an issue though. Dealerships canít sell a rig thatís been deleted.  They have to put it all back together first. Theyíll take that cost off of your trade in
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
Keep in mind with deleting itíll hurt your trade in value. Private sale may not be an issue though. Dealerships canít sell a rig thatís been deleted.  They have to put it all back together first. Theyíll take that cost off of your trade in

This is truth.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: KFhunter on February 23, 2020, 11:28:10 AM
I'm not sure it holds true with the powerstroke, but deleting will cause engine to be very slow to warm up on the cummins,  annoyingly slow. 
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: JH on February 25, 2020, 08:41:38 AM
I guess I really hadn't consider the negatives of deleting it as everyone always suggests to do it.

I am throwing an error code currently which is for the Diesel Exhaust Fluid Heater control. I figure if I have to put money into something I might as well open it up. I'm not overly concerned about the resale value of the truck. I own it and plan on keeping it until it dies. What are the other negatives of deleting it?

I am located in Bothell.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: baker5150 on February 25, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
I'm not sure it holds true with the powerstroke, but deleting will cause engine to be very slow to warm up on the cummins,  annoyingly slow.

Turn your exhaust brake on or enable High idle (same thing in a factory EB truck)
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Snakeriver on February 25, 2020, 11:51:09 AM
Delete it and dont look back. I bought my powerstroke from a dealer in Oregon. It was already deleted.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 25, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Delete it and dont look back. I bought my powerstroke from a dealer in Oregon. It was already deleted.

Illegal for them to sell.
:dunno:
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 25, 2020, 12:22:37 PM
I guess I really hadn't consider the negatives of deleting it as everyone always suggests to do it.

I am throwing an error code currently which is for the Diesel Exhaust Fluid Heater control. I figure if I have to put money into something I might as well open it up. I'm not overly concerned about the resale value of the truck. I own it and plan on keeping it until it dies. What are the other negatives of deleting it?

I am located in Bothell.

@JH

How many miles on your truck?

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Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: 2MANY on February 25, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
Deleted my 02', 03', and 10'.

The new 6.7L are fine without or I've grown old.

Get it done and don't look back.

Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Woodchuck on February 25, 2020, 12:51:41 PM
What did you delete from an 02 and 03?
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: syoungs on February 25, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
I would be he meant he tuned is 02 and 03.
Or he needs to have a serious talk with whatever mechanic did it... lol
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: gutsnthegrass on February 25, 2020, 01:00:16 PM
I was seeing the "cleaning exhaust filter" message come on way too often in my 2012 6.7.  It seemed like it would happen about every 100-150 miles (new it did it about every 300 miles).  My thoughts were that the DPF was getting plugged.  My mileage was in the toilet because of this.  I put the plates over the egr cooler, went with 4" downpipe back exhaust and tuned with semi custom tunes.  I don't have to add DEF anymore and my mileage went from 14-15 to 18-20 mpg.  I didn't do this for the power gains, although they are nice.  I did this around 75,000 miles and have 90,000 on it now.  I was extremely nervous at first, but I'm glad I did it.  I did everything myself in my driveway in about 4-5 hours. 
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 25, 2020, 01:03:18 PM
I was seeing the "cleaning exhaust filter" message come on way too often in my 2012 6.7.  It seemed like it would happen about every 100-150 miles (new it did it about every 300 miles).  My thoughts were that the DPF was getting plugged.  My mileage was in the toilet because of this.  I put the plates over the egr cooler, went with 4" downpipe back exhaust and tuned with semi custom tunes.  I don't have to add DEF anymore and my mileage went from 14-15 to 18-20 mpg.  I didn't do this for the power gains, although they are nice.  I did this around 75,000 miles and have 90,000 on it now.  I was extremely nervous at first, but I'm glad I did it.  I did everything myself in my driveway in about 4-5 hours. 

How often did your truck get out on the highway for a good 20 or so mile run?
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: syoungs on February 25, 2020, 01:04:03 PM
Im going to follow the same plan this summer. Just a delete pipe in place of the DPF, egr block off plates, and mild tuning. Im thinking no more then 100hp, probably more like 60 and ill be happy realistically.
I mean really, stock power has never left me wanting, I am just tired of the regen thing, and tired of fighting a DEF tank that doesn't take fluid worth a darn.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: 2MANY on February 25, 2020, 01:19:11 PM
I would be he meant he tuned is 02 and 03.
Or he needs to have a serious talk with whatever mechanic did it... lol

Damn woodchucks.........................Quit chucking my wood!!!!



I meant to say fed it more air, let it breath, and scrambled it's brain into thinking it was a Shelby that could tow.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Woodchuck on February 25, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
I would be he meant he tuned is 02 and 03.
Or he needs to have a serious talk with whatever mechanic did it... lol

Damn woodchucks.........................Quit chucking my wood!!!!



I meant to say fed it more air, let it breath, and scrambled it's brain into thinking it was a Shelby that could tow.
:chuckle:
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: JH on February 25, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
@jackelope it has 104k. Did that recall expire in 12/18 though? First I have seen of that. Would be nice if it could be a warranty fix.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 25, 2020, 02:39:35 PM
I was seeing the "cleaning exhaust filter" message come on way too often in my 2012 6.7.  It seemed like it would happen about every 100-150 miles (new it did it about every 300 miles).  My thoughts were that the DPF was getting plugged.  My mileage was in the toilet because of this.  I put the plates over the egr cooler, went with 4" downpipe back exhaust and tuned with semi custom tunes.  I don't have to add DEF anymore and my mileage went from 14-15 to 18-20 mpg.  I didn't do this for the power gains, although they are nice.  I did this around 75,000 miles and have 90,000 on it now.  I was extremely nervous at first, but I'm glad I did it.  I did everything myself in my driveway in about 4-5 hours.
:tup: Smart man.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: Mudman on February 25, 2020, 02:45:01 PM
I would be he meant he tuned is 02 and 03.
Or he needs to have a serious talk with whatever mechanic did it... lol
An exhaust bp valve can be deleted.  Exhaust can be freed up.  I had 2001 f350 7.3.  Tuned it with full free turbo back exhaust.  Was a great engine but ran out of fuel injector uumph after about 425hp aprox.  Trans are total garbage, get a manual...
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: jackelope on February 25, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
@jackelope it has 104k. Did that recall expire in 12/18 though? First I have seen of that. Would be nice if it could be a warranty fix.

You should still be covered. Bring it to me if you want, I'll get it taken care of.
@JH

That 12/18 part just means if you were over the 120k mark or the time when that recall was released, it would be covered till 12/18.
Title: Re: Deleting PowerStroke
Post by: gutsnthegrass on February 26, 2020, 07:26:48 AM
I was seeing the "cleaning exhaust filter" message come on way too often in my 2012 6.7.  It seemed like it would happen about every 100-150 miles (new it did it about every 300 miles).  My thoughts were that the DPF was getting plugged.  My mileage was in the toilet because of this.  I put the plates over the egr cooler, went with 4" downpipe back exhaust and tuned with semi custom tunes.  I don't have to add DEF anymore and my mileage went from 14-15 to 18-20 mpg.  I didn't do this for the power gains, although they are nice.  I did this around 75,000 miles and have 90,000 on it now.  I was extremely nervous at first, but I'm glad I did it.  I did everything myself in my driveway in about 4-5 hours. 

How often did your truck get out on the highway for a good 20 or so mile run?

I had a good mixture of town and hiway/freeway driving.  I would see the cleaning exhaust filter message come on 3 times on our trips to our ranch in Idaho (thats 3 times one way, so 6 times round trip) its about 350 miles one way.