Post by: ghosthunter on April 01, 2020, 06:47:38 PM
You would think that was a plus. But him and I are total opposites on what we want from a hunt.
So here’s my questions.
Looks like a non resident could get turkey tag and hunt Lin. For a round $150.00. .?..
Anyone want to offer up possible tent camping spots? Unimproved spots. National forest, wildlife areas.
Do I need proof hunter Ed?
Not really into private property hunts or access fees.
Any info you care to offer.
Looks like Panhandle area. GMU 1,2,3,4,5, and 9
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 02, 2020, 09:59:33 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 02, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
Post by: washingtonmuley on April 02, 2020, 10:08:42 AM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on April 02, 2020, 10:11:40 AM
Do y'all not see this as a bad idea?:yeah:
Everyone trying to come over and hunt during this pandemic is a bad idea that could end up closing down the hunting seasons over here and make Idaho natives hate Washington people even more. If you mention you're from Wa or they see license plates from WA, they will automatically hate you to begin with.
Look at Idaho Governors orders. Going on an out of state hunt isn't essential right now. IDFG doesn't want people to go to their offices either.
There are turkeys everywhere, but again it's not a good time to travel for fun.
Post by: Fshnpole on April 02, 2020, 10:13:41 AM
Suck it up stay on the west side
Post by: TriggerMike on April 02, 2020, 10:14:45 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 02, 2020, 10:21:15 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on April 02, 2020, 12:40:52 PM
:yeah:
If you mention you're from Wa or they see license plates from WA, they will automatically hate you to begin with.
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You must have had a really hard time there over the last couple years then, huh?
Post by: bearpaw on April 02, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
Well with the possible close of WA Spring Turkey . My buddy who moved to Idaho last year is trying to coax me over.
You would think that was a plus. But him and I are total opposites on what we want from a hunt.
So here’s my questions.
Looks like a non resident could get turkey tag and hunt Lin. For a round $150.00. .?..
- Here are the fees, you can get a 3 day license or full year. https://idfg.idaho.gov/licenses/fees-nonresident#license
Anyone want to offer up possible tent camping spots? Unimproved spots. National forest, wildlife areas.
- You can camp on any state land or anywhere in the national forest except campgrounds which are closed.
Do I need proof hunter Ed?
- If you were born after Jan 1, 1975
Not really into private property hunts or access fees.
- Lots of public ground all over Idaho
Any info you care to offer.
- Unit 1, 3, 10a are probably the best numbers of birds in northern Idaho.
Looks like Panhandle area. GMU 1,2,3,4,5, and 9
I answered your questions for you. I just talked to IDFG yesterday, I was told that Governor Little has been committed to keeping recreation open. The only closures are Nat Forest campgrounds.
Post by: MerriamMagician on April 02, 2020, 01:43:23 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 02, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
We do understand but there are many of us that put the health and safety of other people before a hobby. Taking one season off, in the grand scheme of things, is a tiny sacrifice in my eyes. It could be the difference between a person living and a person dying and I don't take that responsibility lightly :twocents:
Post by: JoeE on April 02, 2020, 02:04:36 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
Lol
Post by: Fshnpole on April 02, 2020, 02:07:42 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
Is this guy for real?
Post by: vandeman17 on April 02, 2020, 02:09:01 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
Is this guy for real?
Separation of church and state I guess
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 02, 2020, 02:19:32 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 02, 2020, 02:24:47 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
I grew up back east turkey hunting. I understand what you're talking about. I think what you're saying is 100% ridiculous. You're going to leave a state that has almost 6000 cases of this virus with 254 deaths and go to a state that has 673 cases and 9 deaths. This is a dumb chance to take.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 02, 2020, 02:37:48 PM
Post by: coop2424 on April 02, 2020, 03:04:31 PM
This is a tough one for me. I guess I'm not like a lot of other hunters as I could pack for 14 days in Pakistan for sheep and not need to hit the store. Toss s glove on to pump my gas and be on my way. The only risk of contact would be if by some crazy chance I needed a tow or medical help. I've been hunting since I was 10 and in 27 years I have yet to need either of those things (until now since I jinxed myself :chuckle:). I understand the concern of many though. Season closure decisions can't be a case by case basis.
The issue is very few are that organized and have their sh#@ together. I would imagine for every person like you there is another 6-10 that are not.. As an Idaho resident and with the very few cases we have the last thing I want is more people traveling over to possibly increase the numbers.
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
Who knows what any season will look like.
Hunt while you can.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 02, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
I grew up back east turkey hunting. I understand what you're talking about. I think what you're saying is 100% ridiculous. You're going to leave a state that has almost 6000 cases of this virus with 254 deaths and go to a state that has 673 cases and 9 deaths. This is a dumb chance to take.
:yeah:
Post by: MerriamMagician on April 02, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 03:54:25 PM
Just so you all Know thousands of washington residents cross over to Idaho for cheap alcohol and tobacco so handful of hunters is ok. Everyday this happens.All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.
I grew up back east turkey hunting. I understand what you're talking about. I think what you're saying is 100% ridiculous. You're going to leave a state that has almost 6000 cases of this virus with 254 deaths and go to a state that has 673 cases and 9 deaths. This is a dumb chance to take.
:yeah:
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 02, 2020, 03:54:59 PM
The bigger problem in all of this is the divide in sportsmen this virus has caused. See some of the replies to my earlier post under this thread in you need examples. I see it everywhere, this site, social media, etc. Sportsmen are relentlessly attacking each other other over any and all difference in opinions. People in general are going for each others throats. Amazing how a pandemic like this reveals everyones dark side. The key thing we need to remember is that the sport of hunting is under constant attack in our current age. We've got to band together to fight for our traditions and heritage to carry on and fighting and bickering with each other is not how we accomplish that.
Dude youre missing the bigger picture. I thought your first post was a joke tbh.
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 04:00:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 02, 2020, 04:05:55 PM
The bigger problem in all of this is the divide in sportsmen this virus has caused. See some of the replies to my earlier post under this thread in you need examples. I see it everywhere, this site, social media, etc. Sportsmen are relentlessly attacking each other other over any and all difference in opinions. People in general are going for each others throats. Amazing how a pandemic like this reveals everyones dark side. The key thing we need to remember is that the sport of hunting is under constant attack in our current age. We've got to band together to fight for our traditions and heritage to carry on and fighting and bickering with each other is not how we accomplish that.
Disclaimer.....This is not meant as an attack. This whole thing going on in the entire freaking world right now is not about hunters attacking hunters or a divide among . It's literally about keeping people alive. If you don't grasp that...I'm not sure what to tell you.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 02, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
I'm 🚬 a cigg right now from Idaho does that make me a bad person? This attuitude of I'm better than you cause I stayed at home .I Can tell ya I'm not losing any sleep over it .Thats great keep up the good work.
Thats great man. Im sensitive to it because a close family member works in an icu where cases are increasing. The more cases increase, the more people will become sensitive to it.
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 04:22:16 PM
It wouldn't get upset ,sorry if it upsets you.I'm 🚬 a cigg right now from Idaho does that make me a bad person? This attuitude of I'm better than you cause I stayed at home .I Can tell ya I'm not losing any sleep over it .Thats great keep up the good work.
Thats great man. Im sensitive to it because a close family member works in an icu where cases are increasing. The more cases increase, the more people will become sensitive to it.
But Idaho residents been crossing into washington to work consider there min wage is like 7 dollars an hour ,crossover and make almost 14 an hour working in washington ,drive home and buy everything for cheap back in idaho.This is not a new development been happening for many years.And an fyi that might make you feel better is I buy a lot and make as little trips as possible.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 02, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
What wouldnt get upset?It wouldn't get upset ,sorry if it upsets you.I'm 🚬 a cigg right now from Idaho does that make me a bad person? This attuitude of I'm better than you cause I stayed at home .I Can tell ya I'm not losing any sleep over it .Thats great keep up the good work.
Thats great man. Im sensitive to it because a close family member works in an icu where cases are increasing. The more cases increase, the more people will become sensitive to it.
But Idaho residents been crossing into washington to work consider there min wage is like 7 dollars an hour ,crossover and make almost 14 an hour working in washington ,drive home and buy everything for cheap back in idaho.This is not a new development been happening for many years.And an fyi that might make you feel better is I buy a lot and make as little trips as possible.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 02, 2020, 04:29:28 PM
The bigger problem in all of this is the divide in sportsmen this virus has caused. See some of the replies to my earlier post under this thread in you need examples. I see it everywhere, this site, social media, etc. Sportsmen are relentlessly attacking each other other over any and all difference in opinions. People in general are going for each others throats. Amazing how a pandemic like this reveals everyones dark side. The key thing we need to remember is that the sport of hunting is under constant attack in our current age. We've got to band together to fight for our traditions and heritage to carry on and fighting and bickering with each other is not how we accomplish that.
Disclaimer.....This is not meant as an attack. This whole thing going on in the entire freaking world right now is not about hunters attacking hunters or a divide among . It's literally about keeping people alive. If you don't grasp that...I'm not sure what to tell you.
:yeah: I still think a lot of guys on here have their frustrations directed in the wrong place. People always reference what is still open when justifying them wanting to go hunting or fishing. Point your disdain there :twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 04:47:45 PM
I say hunt while you have the chance /hand sanitizer before and after gas/grocery stops/social distance/lower your human footprint on the area and go for it.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 02, 2020, 04:50:41 PM
Same can be said of east and west Washington do you guys really think nobody is crossing over right now . Maybe slowed down a small % .But still happening.And yes I know flatten the curve / save lives.Slow it down a lot and we will be economic disaster/and in a shutdown for a year/speed it up too many lives lost.
I say hunt while you have the chance /hand sanitizer before and after gas/grocery stops/social distance/lower your human footprint on the area and go for it.
So since other people are doing it, then that makes it ok? This is exactly the reason we are going to be shutdown for longer than we have to be. I am not singling you out, just in general because people can't just make the sacrifice and do what has been advised
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 05:06:07 PM
Is what it is. If I cross here or there for"essentials" and do it as safely as possible so be it.Same can be said of east and west Washington do you guys really think nobody is crossing over right now . Maybe slowed down a small % .But still happening.And yes I know flatten the curve / save lives.Slow it down a lot and we will be economic disaster/and in a shutdown for a year/speed it up too many lives lost.
I say hunt while you have the chance /hand sanitizer before and after gas/grocery stops/social distance/lower your human footprint on the area and go for it.
So since other people are doing it, then that makes it ok? This is exactly the reason we are going to be shutdown for longer than we have to be. I am not singling you out, just in general because people can't just make the sacrifice and do what has been advised
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
The bigger problem in all of this is the divide in sportsmen this virus has caused. See some of the replies to my earlier post under this thread in you need examples. I see it everywhere, this site, social media, etc. Sportsmen are relentlessly attacking each other other over any and all difference in opinions. People in general are going for each others throats. Amazing how a pandemic like this reveals everyones dark side. The key thing we need to remember is that the sport of hunting is under constant attack in our current age. We've got to band together to fight for our traditions and heritage to carry on and fighting and bickering with each other is not how we accomplish that.No, the bigger problem is the disdain for other people's lives. This is literally a life or death situation for a lot of people. A Turkey isn't worth someone else's life. At least for me. I love hunting more than anything in the world but if I have to stay home this fall for the greater good then so be it. It will be terrible and I'll be upset but human life is more important.
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Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.Speaking of religions. They are not holding services right now...
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 02, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
All y'all who are suggesting people don't go turkey hunting don't understand. Spring turkey hunting is our religion. Not going turkey hunting is sacrilege. You can't tell me me that any minimal service needs you have while turkey hunting like getting gas or groceries is any different than essential employees that potentially have the virus that stop at those exact same services for gas and groceries. In fact with most people quarantined, its really the essential employees still at work and out and about that are really the ones continuing the bulk of the spread. I'll be turkey hunting as usual on April 15th, even if I'm forced to go somewhere else.Speaking of religions. They are holding services right now...
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:chuckle: Ain't no Turkey worth killing people for.
Post by: ribka on April 02, 2020, 06:57:27 PM
Is what it is. If I cross here or there for"essentials" and do it as safely as possible so be it.Same can be said of east and west Washington do you guys really think nobody is crossing over right now . Maybe slowed down a small % .But still happening.And yes I know flatten the curve / save lives.Slow it down a lot and we will be economic disaster/and in a shutdown for a year/speed it up too many lives lost.
I say hunt while you have the chance /hand sanitizer before and after gas/grocery stops/social distance/lower your human footprint on the area and go for it.
So since other people are doing it, then that makes it ok? This is exactly the reason we are going to be shutdown for longer than we have to be. I am not singling you out, just in general because people can't just make the sacrifice and do what has been advised
Post by: boatloader on April 03, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Post by: bearpaw on April 03, 2020, 10:41:59 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Not everyone agrees with the hunting and fishing closures. I think travel restrictions or a travel advisory would have been much better than closing hunting and fishing. People who have hunting and fishing out their back door are being penalized by this herd mentality of closing it all! In fact many states are encouraging people to hunt and fish. It comes as no surprise that Washington would use this as an opportunity to close hunting and fishing when at the same time they are advising many types of other outdoor recreation! :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on April 03, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Interesting entry to the forum.
Welcome?
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2020, 10:46:02 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Not everyone agrees with the hunting and fishing closures. I think travel restrictions or a travel advisory would have been much better than closing hunting and fishing. People who have hunting and fishing out their back door are being penalized by this herd mentality of closing it all! In fact many states are encouraging people to hunt and fish. It comes as no surprise that Washington would use this as an opportunity to close all hunting and fishing when at the same time they are advising many types of other outdoor recreation! :twocents:
The question is, how would they go about setting those distance requirements as to what is authorized travel and what isn't? I think even more people would complain about this because they would feel excluded... :dunno: I think far more people have to travel more than a few miles to hunt or fish versus those that are lucky enough to have it in their "back yard" :twocents:
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2020, 10:52:32 AM
With clams, we know there was significant pressure from the county health department. I wouldn't be surprised if other game departments are getting similar calls and with ID, everyone is aware of the number of people coming from state of more infections. Likewise, the NE corner of the state is likely very concerned about people coming from all over the state.
The difference with turkeys is the local health departments don't have the authority to close the places where turkeys are shot so it will be the game department's call. I'm sure they are also getting calls from hotels and guides begging them to keep it open.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 03, 2020, 10:54:22 AM
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Post by: bearpaw on April 03, 2020, 10:57:06 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Not everyone agrees with the hunting and fishing closures. I think travel restrictions or a travel advisory would have been much better than closing hunting and fishing. People who have hunting and fishing out their back door are being penalized by this herd mentality of closing it all! In fact many states are encouraging people to hunt and fish. It comes as no surprise that Washington would use this as an opportunity to close all hunting and fishing when at the same time they are advising many types of other outdoor recreation! :twocents:
The question is, how would they go about setting those distance requirements as to what is authorized travel and what isn't? I think even more people would complain about this because they would feel excluded... :dunno: I think far more people have to travel more than a few miles to hunt or fish versus those that are lucky enough to have it in their "back yard" :twocents:
We already have a stay home stay safe order and social distancing, with exceptions for recreating near your home. :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2020, 10:59:05 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Not everyone agrees with the hunting and fishing closures. I think travel restrictions or a travel advisory would have been much better than closing hunting and fishing. People who have hunting and fishing out their back door are being penalized by this herd mentality of closing it all! In fact many states are encouraging people to hunt and fish. It comes as no surprise that Washington would use this as an opportunity to close all hunting and fishing when at the same time they are advising many types of other outdoor recreation! :twocents:
The question is, how would they go about setting those distance requirements as to what is authorized travel and what isn't? I think even more people would complain about this because they would feel excluded... :dunno: I think far more people have to travel more than a few miles to hunt or fish versus those that are lucky enough to have it in their "back yard" :twocents:
We already have a stay home stay safe order with exceptions for recreating near your home. :dunno:
yep but as we can see from a lot of threads "near" is a loose term that can easily be stretched and skewed to justify the trip. It sucks all the way around but I think they had no choice other than to do an all or nothing
Post by: bearpaw on April 03, 2020, 11:00:40 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Not everyone agrees with the hunting and fishing closures. I think travel restrictions or a travel advisory would have been much better than closing hunting and fishing. People who have hunting and fishing out their back door are being penalized by this herd mentality of closing it all! In fact many states are encouraging people to hunt and fish. It comes as no surprise that Washington would use this as an opportunity to close all hunting and fishing when at the same time they are advising many types of other outdoor recreation! :twocents:
The question is, how would they go about setting those distance requirements as to what is authorized travel and what isn't? I think even more people would complain about this because they would feel excluded... :dunno: I think far more people have to travel more than a few miles to hunt or fish versus those that are lucky enough to have it in their "back yard" :twocents:
We already have a stay home stay safe order with exceptions for recreating near your home. :dunno:
yep but as we can see from a lot of threads "near" is a loose term that can easily be stretched and skewed to justify the trip. It sucks all the way around but I think they had no choice other than to do an all or nothing
So why are some other states giving away hunting and fishing licenses? Could it be that they understand there is a lower chance of infection when hunting and fishing?
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2020, 11:02:40 AM
It's pretty evident that we have to go further than probably necessary because there are so many people that don't follow directions. Spring break, funerals, parties, trailheads, stores, it's all the same and I can't find a reason hunting would be different.
For what it's worth, the same thing is going on in Europe even lately.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2020, 11:07:39 AM
If I were Idaho I would shut the state down to non resident hunting through the summer and would seriously consider keeping it shut down this coming fall as well.Why hasn't the whole country done this already? What would be the problem in that? According to all you folks, going hunting is practically how all of this spreads anyhow. According to all the fear mongering concern trolls on this forum everyone should be calling their fish and wildlife departments and begging them to shut down all activities indefinitely!
Not everyone agrees with the hunting and fishing closures. I think travel restrictions or a travel advisory would have been much better than closing hunting and fishing. People who have hunting and fishing out their back door are being penalized by this herd mentality of closing it all! In fact many states are encouraging people to hunt and fish. It comes as no surprise that Washington would use this as an opportunity to close all hunting and fishing when at the same time they are advising many types of other outdoor recreation! :twocents:
The question is, how would they go about setting those distance requirements as to what is authorized travel and what isn't? I think even more people would complain about this because they would feel excluded... :dunno: I think far more people have to travel more than a few miles to hunt or fish versus those that are lucky enough to have it in their "back yard" :twocents:
We already have a stay home stay safe order with exceptions for recreating near your home. :dunno:
yep but as we can see from a lot of threads "near" is a loose term that can easily be stretched and skewed to justify the trip. It sucks all the way around but I think they had no choice other than to do an all or nothing
So why are some other states giving away hunting and fishing licenses? Could it be that they understand there is a lower chance of infection when hunting and fishing?
Some of those other states don't have the widespread numbers that we have, especially from the big 3 counties. I hate it as much as you do Dale, but I also understand the logic when you take out the specific activity involved. I, for one, have said that when we started the shelter in place that it needed to include much more things that many people on here complain about still being open like coffee shops, pot shops, liquor stores etc but these threads aren't about those.
Post by: MerriamMagician on April 03, 2020, 01:14:54 PM
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2020, 01:17:25 PM
Post by: MonstroMuley on April 03, 2020, 01:36:55 PM
...:yeah:
The question is, how would they go about setting those distance requirements as to what is authorized travel and what isn't?
Exactly! Need to clarify ... allowed for those who have opportunity to hunt out of backyard/neighborhood Vs.
those who must travel cross counties and states for ID/WA.
Unable to even find an open place to camp in Idaho?
Forced to sleep in the cab front seat on a dirt road turn-out? :dunno:
Like Montana ... they may require mandatory 14 day quarantine (not work related) once you get there ...?
Interesting that we are not alone in our diverse opinions on long distance travel ...
other Outdoor Forums share similar thoughts ...
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"How to hike in the COVID-19 era"
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Post by: bearpaw on April 03, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Bearpaw, it sounds like you are opposed to the hunting and fishing shutdowns and I agree with most of your justifications of why it shouldn't be based on the other types of activity that continue to go on. As a hunting guide, how would these shutdowns affect your business and livelihood if they are implemented?
We've been in business over 40 years, and we are fine for the long term, however, it hurts to be shut down when we are at the age we need to be expanding our retirement nest egg as much as possible, this could potentially set us back a year or two.
I was on a national outfitting industry trade organization webinar with over 160 other business owners last week for a couple hours, several polls were taken during the webinar, one poll asked how many businesses could financially make it through a three month shutdown, 41% said they could not make it.
I have been in touch with IDFG and they are not expecting recreation to be closed in Idaho, the manager I talked to said Governor Little has remained supportive of keeping recreation open. I just sent out messages to my usual spring guides who depend on spring employment. Due to the Washington closure I'm going to employ an extra guide in Idaho and use another guide for miscellaneous work around our Washington home in order to keep them employed.
According to industry organizations I should be able to apply for an SBA loan that has some forgiveness (essentially a partial grant) to help with employee wages, I sure hope so since I'm going to try and keep as many employed as possible even though we don't need them all.
My wife and I agree, if this would have happened 20 or 30 ears ago it could have wiped us out. I'm sure this will hit younger and less established business owners very hard, in many different business sectors. I know of numerous small business owners around our little town who were already struggling before the virus hit, this could be their demise. The worst part, after their business fails, where are they going to get a job?
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2020, 02:06:20 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 03, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 03, 2020, 02:11:04 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on April 03, 2020, 07:55:44 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on April 03, 2020, 08:41:13 PM
Idaho needs to be careful. 218 new cases just yesterday. They're close to 1,000. Will probably be there end of day today.Yep. Just getting going. Note that tri cities went from 5 to 12 deaths overnight.
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Post by: jackelope on April 03, 2020, 09:01:50 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on April 03, 2020, 09:20:00 PM
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Post by: Big game archer on April 04, 2020, 08:21:12 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 04, 2020, 08:48:37 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on April 04, 2020, 10:54:21 AM
From: Idaho Fish and Game [mailto:idfishgame@public.govdelivery.com]
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Subject: Nonresident licenses, permits, and tags sales temporarily suspended by F&G Commission
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idaho fish and game
Nonresident licenses, permits, and tags sales temporarily suspended by F&G Commission
Nonresidents who purchase a 2020 hunting license may still apply for controlled hunts that will occur this fall.
At their April 4 meeting, the Idaho Fish and Game Commission adopted a rule that temporarily suspends the sale of several types of nonresident fishing and hunting licenses, tags, and permits. The action is effective immediately and lasts until the rule is repealed consistent with relevant state of Idaho public health orders.
The Commission found this rulemaking supportive of the protection of public health consistent with the March 25 Idaho Department of Health and Welfare Order to Self-Isolate for the State of Idaho in response to COVID-19.
Fishing and hunting licenses, tags, and permits purchased by nonresidents prior to the April 4 Commission action are still valid for existing hunting, fishing, and trapping seasons, which remain in effect.
Nonresident hunting licenses along with currently available nonresident deer and elk tags are not included in the suspension. Nonresidents who purchase a 2020 hunting license may still apply for controlled hunts that will occur this fall.
The Commission action does not affect Idaho residents and there are no new limitations on resident purchase of licenses, tags, and permits or any changes to existing seasons.
Nonresidents and resident hunters, anglers, and trappers are reminded about state of Idaho guidance for outdoor recreation: follow social distancing directives of at least 6 feet, day trips are encouraged, check before heading out because many recreation sites are closed, and bring your own supplies. Outfitting and guiding are permissible with adherence to outdoor recreation guidelines.
The following is the list of nonresident items suspended from sale
Nonresident annual and three-year combination, fishing, and trapping licenses.
Nonresident Hunting Passports.
Nonresident junior annual and three-year fishing licenses.
Nonresident annual and 3-day small game hunting licenses.
Nonresident daily (including consecutive day) fishing licenses.
Nonresident 3-day fishing licenses with salmon/steelhead permits.
Nonresident nongame hunting licenses.
Nonresident game tags for black bear, turkey, mountain lion, and gray wolf, including nonresident junior mentored and nonresident disabled American veteran tags for these species.
Nonresident permits for black bear baiting, hound hunter, salmon, and steelhead.
Nonresident falconry meet permits.
Nonresident sport dog and falconry training permits.
Nonresident fishing tournament permits (suspension of sales of resident and nonresident tournament permits was implemented by Order 20-30).
Nonresident dog field trial permits.
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Post by: bearpaw on April 04, 2020, 12:20:59 PM
Fishing and hunting licenses, tags, and permits purchased by nonresidents prior to the April 4 Commission action are still valid for existing hunting, fishing, and trapping seasons, which remain in effect.
(if you already have a non-resident license and tag you can still hunt, also they are still allowing residents to buy tags and licenses)
Post by: hunter399 on April 04, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
Good move, Idaho.The only reason for doing it ,is cause Washington can't seem to keep our seasons open.The surge of hunters from Washington who want to hunt.
If Washington would keep our seasons open ,Idaho wouldn't be forced to stop sales.If they where worried about covid19 they would shutdown seasons.It sounds like they have sold a significant amount already ,and allow them to hunt ,now that's a good move.It was forced on them due to Washington.
Post by: JoeE on April 04, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
Post by: Britt-dog on April 05, 2020, 06:52:37 AM
Post by: MR5x5 on April 05, 2020, 09:45:29 AM
Lets try not to contribute to coloring in of this map.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Idaho
No coincidence that area around Coeur d'Alene is a local hot spot.
Post by: shorthair15 on April 06, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
Post by: MR5x5 on April 09, 2020, 10:45:43 AM
Allow nonresidents who bought a black bear tag prior to the temporary suspension on April 4 to also buy a bear bait permit, which is only available via mail and at department offices.
Clarify that nonresidents who had a written – but unsigned – agreement with a licensed outfitter prior to April 4 are allowed to buy licenses, tags, permits for the outfitted trip. Written examples include: an agreement or letter signed by the outfitted client; an exchange of emails agreeing on trip terms; a written confirmation or reservation, or an exchange of emails with payment of a trip deposit.
Allow people who moved to Idaho to establish residency less than 6 months ago, or who have not gotten an Idaho driver’s license as required within 90 days of Idaho residency, to still purchase a nonresident license, tag, or permit under these conditions:
1. Person produces an Idaho driver’s license, or Idaho Identification Card, issued by the Idaho Transportation Department, or a person produces two documents issued by a third party showing name and Idaho residence address, such as rent, mortgage receipts or utility bills.
2. Person signs a declaration demonstrating bona fide intent to become an Idaho resident.
People who are eligible to buy license and tags under these criteria must contact a Fish and Game regional office or headquarters via phone to arrange for the purchase of eligible nonresident items.
Post by: Machias on April 09, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
Post by: Britt-dog on April 09, 2020, 08:32:34 PM
Post by: Machias on April 09, 2020, 09:50:45 PM