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Title: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 02, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
Pretty sure the 243 barrel is on its way out. Thinking about playing with a new cartridge for a barrel or so.  Looking for some ideas to ponder. Would prefer to stick with the same bolt face but might change that, 6mm or larger cal., run in SA ai mag, and not a creed bore.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 02, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
If I was replacing a 243 would look hard at the 6mm Dasher.  Seems to be a rising star.  ???
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 02, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
If I was replacing a 243 would look hard at the 6mm Dasher.  Seems to be a rising star.  ???
that may be a good option to shorten this barrel and rechamber
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: hogslayer on April 02, 2020, 04:33:03 PM
6 creed is giving me very good results.  6 dasher is a good one.  But might have some feeding issues.  I run 115 vlds with 6 creed at 3070 with 26”
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 02, 2020, 04:38:35 PM
6 creed is giving me very good results.  6 dasher is a good one.  But might have some feeding issues.  I run 115 vlds with 6 creed at 3070 with 26”
with the 243 I was running the 115’s @3150 single feeding and 105’s at 3220
28” 1:7
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: NWShooter on April 02, 2020, 08:00:18 PM
The .243 Win is solid. I imagine you have a ample brass supply. Might be worth staying with the same chambering.

6mm Dasher
6mm Creedmoor
6x47 Lapua
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Jolten on April 02, 2020, 09:01:38 PM
.243 wssm? If you don't mind swapping the bolt face
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 02, 2020, 09:06:50 PM
Anyone ever shoot 6xc?
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: NWShooter on April 02, 2020, 10:41:58 PM
The 6xc has a slight speed advantage over the Dasher. There’s Norma brass for both. Peterson makes 6XC brass also. When I kicked it around it seemed if a guy had a Dasher there wasn’t a real need to go to the XC. But the majority that were choosing between the two, went with the XC. I just went 6mm Creedmoor. Due to the fact I already had a 6.5 CM and a bunch of brass and just necked it down for the 6mm CM. I haven’t shot mine for some time. Since I ran out of my stash of 105gr A-Max’s. Haven’t taken the time to work up some new loads with a different bullet.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Onewhohikes on April 03, 2020, 05:33:15 AM
I think you should stay with that barrel as long as it shoots fine and is accurate. Need to spend the money on other things.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 03, 2020, 07:13:53 AM
I think you should stay with that barrel as long as it shoots fine and is accurate. Need to spend the money on other things.
trouble is it only shoots good at short range, I rarely shoot at short range.  I’m in no hurry to rebarreled it as I have other toys to play with. But it takes a long time to get a new barrel these days. 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 03, 2020, 07:55:12 AM
The .243 Win is solid. I imagine you have a ample brass supply. Might be worth staying with the same chambering.

6mm Dasher
6mm Creedmoor
6x47 Lapua

you are correct as I have tons of 243 components.  I do have a Redding die set for 243ai.   
Just sold a rifle the other day that I had for 3 or 4 years and never shot it once, that’s my barrel $$ now.   When I first rebarreled this rifle I was wanting 243ai.  Maybe now it’s time to do that. Probably the cheapest route since I have brass and dies and bullets already.
Plus I’ve been thinking about getting a lite weight hunting barrel for my vanguard in 338edge   
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: NWShooter on April 03, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
What twist rate are kicking around? 7.7?
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 03, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
1:7. Has worked very well for my shooting
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: NWShooter on April 03, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
1:7. Has worked very well for my shooting

Bugholes.com has barrels on hand. I’ve shot Rock Creek Barrels in  6.5-284 and 300 Win Mag over the years and they were very accurate barrels.

Rock Creek 7 twist.
http://www.bugholes.com/product-p/r-6mm-7tw-ss-snd-27.htm

Muller Works.

http://www.bugholes.com/product-p/m-6mm-7tw-ss-mp-29.htm

http://www.bugholes.com/product-p/m-6mm-7tw-ss-mks-29.htm




Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: mountainman on April 03, 2020, 11:35:30 AM
I would look hard at the 243 AI. Already have the brass, none of the 6mm calibers listed above come close the beating it performance wise, and simple to form cases. Paired with a 1:7 quality barrel and high b.c. bullets available, you will have a gun capable of across the board accuracy
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 03, 2020, 11:41:14 AM
If you go with lightweight edge Proof barrels are in stock.   
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: mountainman on April 03, 2020, 11:58:58 AM
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If you go with lightweight edge Proof barrels are in stock.   
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: b23 on April 03, 2020, 04:04:54 PM
You seem to like things with extra velocity so if you're going to switch to something different and buy a new set of dies anyway, I wouldn't even bother with the tiny increase of AI'ing a 243.  Save yourself the extra time of fire forming, make it worth your time, and go 6-284.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 04, 2020, 08:45:22 AM
You seem to like things with extra velocity so if you're going to switch to something different and buy a new set of dies anyway, I wouldn't even bother with the tiny increase of AI'ing a 243.  Save yourself the extra time of fire forming, make it worth your time, and go 6-284.
you know me well, 6/284 has always peaked my interest. 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: yorketransport on April 04, 2020, 09:28:15 AM
You seem to like things with extra velocity so if you're going to switch to something different and buy a new set of dies anyway, I wouldn't even bother with the tiny increase of AI'ing a 243.  Save yourself the extra time of fire forming, make it worth your time, and go 6-284.

You beat me to it! The 6x47 Lapua is a good one too. It doesn't really offer an advantage over the 243 Win, it's just a little less vanilla. :chuckle: The 6 XC is in the same performance range and has been a proven performer too.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Alchase on April 04, 2020, 09:34:40 AM
The .243 Win is solid. I imagine you have a ample brass supply. Might be worth staying with the same chambering.

6mm Dasher
6mm Creedmoor
6x47 Lapua

you are correct as I have tons of 243 components.  I do have a Redding die set for 243ai.   
Just sold a rifle the other day that I had for 3 or 4 years and never shot it once, that’s my barrel $$ now.   When I first rebarreled this rifle I was wanting 243ai.  Maybe now it’s time to do that. Probably the cheapest route since I have brass and dies and bullets already.
Plus I’ve been thinking about getting a lite weight hunting barrel for my vanguard in 338edge   


This just blows my mind, how can you have a rifle for 3 to 4 years and never shoot it   :hello:

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: b23 on April 04, 2020, 10:24:49 AM
You seem to like things with extra velocity so if you're going to switch to something different and buy a new set of dies anyway, I wouldn't even bother with the tiny increase of AI'ing a 243.  Save yourself the extra time of fire forming, make it worth your time, and go 6-284.
you know me well, 6/284 has always peaked my interest.

In a short action, if you plan to get the max out of a 6-284 shooting the heavies, you'll be limited to single feeding them but I think you mentioned you were already doing that so it won't really be anything new for you.  Even if you throat a 6-284 to shoot the heavies at mag length in a short action, you'll still have a fair amount of case capacity advantage over all the others.

My 6-284 was the very first custom rifle I ever had built.  Funny thing is, I was all set to have a 243AI built instead, already had bought the dies and brass even.  Before the gunsmith that built it for me stuck the reamer in the barrel, he called me to make sure a 243AI was what I wanted.  He asked me if I had given any thought to building a 6-284.  About the time he said you'll get more velocity with less work and expense a light bulb went off and I quickly changed my mind.  I've been a 6 & 6.5-284 fan ever since.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 04, 2020, 05:19:16 PM
The .243 Win is solid. I imagine you have a ample brass supply. Might be worth staying with the same chambering.

6mm Dasher
6mm Creedmoor
6x47 Lapua

you are correct as I have tons of 243 components.  I do have a Redding die set for 243ai.   
Just sold a rifle the other day that I had for 3 or 4 years and never shot it once, that’s my barrel $$ now.   When I first rebarreled this rifle I was wanting 243ai.  Maybe now it’s time to do that. Probably the cheapest route since I have brass and dies and bullets already.
Plus I’ve been thinking about getting a lite weight hunting barrel for my vanguard in 338edge   


This just blows my mind, how can you have a rifle for 3 to 4 years and never shoot it   :hello:

 :chuckle:
was a sporterized muaser in 22-250.  Barrel was probably shot out, crown looked like hell.  Guy wanted it so I said make an offer. 

6/284 is sounding better every time I think about it.   
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Goshawk on April 06, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
Pretty sure the 243 barrel is on its way out. Thinking about playing with a new cartridge for a barrel or so.  Looking for some ideas to ponder. Would prefer to stick with the same bolt face but might change that, 6mm or larger cal., run in SA ai mag, and not a creed bore.

Just wondering why? Did you run a good optical borescope through it?  I've always been surprised as to how many folks sell a rifle or rebarrel it due to it "being shot out" only to find it was copper fouled from years of just standard cleaning. 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 06, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
Pretty sure the 243 barrel is on its way out. Thinking about playing with a new cartridge for a barrel or so.  Looking for some ideas to ponder. Would prefer to stick with the same bolt face but might change that, 6mm or larger cal., run in SA ai mag, and not a creed bore.

Just wondering why? Did you run a good optical borescope through it?  I've always been surprised as to how many folks sell a rifle or rebarrel it due to it "being shot out" only to find it was copper fouled from years of just standard cleaning. 
no I cleaned it to bare metal. Never has this barrel had copper fouling.  I stopped talking about it since folks never believe it but zero copper.  My cleaner tunes blue as hell with copper but zero copper from this barrel.  Zero!   700 is not unheard of for 243 run like this one has.  I can probably get another 300 from it for hunting but accuracy is past what I expect.  At 100 1/4” is normal but velocity spread makes it useless for my purposes.   I’ll say it once more. Zero copper weather you choose to believe it or not is your choice.  I just know what I see.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: birdshooter1189 on April 06, 2020, 11:15:33 PM
My wife has a .243 with a shot-out barrel.  Talked to a gunsmith once about re-barreling it and he tried to talk her into swapping over to a 6mm remington caliber.  He said the geometry of the case design provided some benefits over the .243 win.  I don't remember the specifics but he was very adamant on the 6mm remington over the .243.  I don't have first hand experience between the two.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: argie1891 on April 07, 2020, 12:52:14 AM
I have a rifle that quit grouping went from under in inch to around 2 inch groups. I spent several months removing coper fouling. I thought I was doing a good job cleaning, but found out I was not getting all the copper fouling out. when I say I spent several months I mean every time I entered reloading room I put a patch of hoppe's   or some other solvent down the bore. It took all that time to get a patch out that did not turn green. wonder of wonders I then took to the range and it again shot great. the rifle was over 20 years old and I bought it new. I vote for if it is not broke dont fix it. as far as caliber asking what other people think isnt real important it is your money and your rifle. I would stay with a common caliber and away from wild cats I have a 250 Ackley and it is neat most wildcats are just asking to spend big on dies etc. anyway have fun with you quest that is half the fun
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 07, 2020, 06:53:44 AM
This boroscope is well worth the $49 to see what is happening inside your barrel.  Need android phone or pc computer to hook to. 

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XDYN296/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_awdb_3siJEbBS7EPNT (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XDYN296/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_awdb_3siJEbBS7EPNT)

Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Goshawk on April 07, 2020, 10:15:44 AM
Pretty sure the 243 barrel is on its way out. Thinking about playing with a new cartridge for a barrel or so.  Looking for some ideas to ponder. Would prefer to stick with the same bolt face but might change that, 6mm or larger cal., run in SA ai mag, and not a creed bore.

Just wondering why? Did you run a good optical borescope through it?  I've always been surprised as to how many folks sell a rifle or rebarrel it due to it "being shot out" only to find it was copper fouled from years of just standard cleaning. 
no I cleaned it to bare metal. Never has this barrel had copper fouling.  I stopped talking about it since folks never believe it but zero copper.  My cleaner tunes blue as hell with copper but zero copper from this barrel.  Zero!   700 is not unheard of for 243 run like this one has.  I can probably get another 300 from it for hunting but accuracy is past what I expect.  At 100 1/4” is normal but velocity spread makes it useless for my purposes.   I’ll say it once more. Zero copper weather you choose to believe it or not is your choice.  I just know what I see.

No offence meant, just asking the obvious based on my own experiences.  Is it the throat that's showing erosion, or ?
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: iusmc2002 on April 07, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
Check out Anthony Ward at Crown Ridge Barrel Works up in Colville.  He keeps XCaliber blanks on hand and is quick.

 He chambered a Proof blank, cut and rechambered a 300WM to 308 Win, both with muzzle threads and threaded the muzzles on 2 of my other barrels in about 3 days
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 07, 2020, 07:45:34 PM
Pretty sure the 243 barrel is on its way out. Thinking about playing with a new cartridge for a barrel or so.  Looking for some ideas to ponder. Would prefer to stick with the same bolt face but might change that, 6mm or larger cal., run in SA ai mag, and not a creed bore.

Just wondering why? Did you run a good optical borescope through it?  I've always been surprised as to how many folks sell a rifle or rebarrel it due to it "being shot out" only to find it was copper fouled from years of just standard cleaning. 
no I cleaned it to bare metal. Never has this barrel had copper fouling.  I stopped talking about it since folks never believe it but zero copper.  My cleaner tunes blue as hell with copper but zero copper from this barrel.  Zero!   700 is not unheard of for 243 run like this one has.  I can probably get another 300 from it for hunting but accuracy is past what I expect.  At 100 1/4” is normal but velocity spread makes it useless for my purposes.   I’ll say it once more. Zero copper weather you choose to believe it or not is your choice.  I just know what I see.

No offence meant, just asking the obvious based on my own experiences.  Is it the throat that's showing erosion, or ?
no offense taken.  Idk exactly where the erosion is. I just know the signs of a barrel going out.  First sign has always been es going crazy
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 09, 2020, 05:46:13 PM
A lot of internet posts of the 6-284 only lasting for half as long as other options (600-800 rounds.)
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Jolten on April 09, 2020, 06:34:36 PM
Why not build a 24 nosler?
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 09, 2020, 07:12:31 PM
Why not build a 24 nosler?
nosler is a bad word in my household.  Plus I’m stuck with short action
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 09, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
No Nosler, No Creedmoor..... sounds like a Rebel in the house? Hehe. 

I’m thinking a 6mm would be a good 1000 yard plinker while big guns cool down.  You have me thinking about a new build.   Trying to avoid a man bun gun myself. 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 09, 2020, 07:37:33 PM
No Nosler, No Creedmoor..... sounds like a Rebel in the house? Hehe. 

I’m thinking a 6mm would be a good 1000 yard plinker while big guns cool down.  You have me thinking about a new build.   Trying to avoid a man bun gun myself. 
the 243 was pretty easy at 1000. Did finally get hits at a mile.  Conditions had to be perfect to see impacts
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 09, 2020, 07:51:20 PM
Why not build a 24 nosler?
nosler is a bad word in my household.  Plus I’m stuck with short action
24 nosler is a ar15 cartridge anyhow. 223 bolt face  :dunno:
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 09, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
Why not build a 24 nosler?
nosler is a bad word in my household.  Plus I’m stuck with short action
24 nosler is a ar15 cartridge anyhow. 223 bolt face  :dunno:
ewww that’s even worse!!!!!! :puke:
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 09, 2020, 08:11:34 PM
A lot of internet posts of the 6-284 only lasting for half as long as other options (600-800 rounds.)
sounds about right. This 243 is just under 700 but it got ran hard too
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Jolten on April 09, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Alright last idea 6gt :dunno:
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 09, 2020, 08:29:41 PM
Alright last idea 6gt :dunno:
🌈🐅
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 09, 2020, 08:56:05 PM
Alright last idea 6gt :dunno:
🌈🐅
:chuckle: I just spit out my whiskey reading this.   
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Jolten on April 09, 2020, 08:57:22 PM
Alright last idea 6gt :dunno:
🌈🐅
:chuckle: I just spit out my whiskey reading this.   

Bad idea I guess lol
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 09, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
Not bad just not great.   I’ll admit I’m a speed freak when I comes to rifles.   Looking up the gt I’m thinking......meh.   To put things in perspective I was contemplating a 6mmsaum
Or 6mm/6.5 prc
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 09, 2020, 09:20:10 PM
If youve got the mag length, a 243 ai would outrun most anything else in a short action standard bolt.

Have a custom reamer made that puts a neck length and shoulder of a dasher on a 243 length case.
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: yorketransport on April 09, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
Not bad just not great.   I’ll admit I’m a speed freak when I comes to rifles.   Looking up the gt I’m thinking......meh.   To put things in perspective I was contemplating a 6mmsaum
Or 6mm/6.5 prc

I drew up a reamer for a 6mm/6.5 PRC and made a couple dummy rounds for a guy. He ended up scrapping the idea because the OAL with most 115gr bullets was going too long to feed through an AICS mag. The 6mm SST might be an interesting option for a fast 6mm that will work as a repeater.

Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Jolten on April 09, 2020, 09:27:11 PM
Not bad just not great.   I’ll admit I’m a speed freak when I comes to rifles.   Looking up the gt I’m thinking......meh.   To put things in perspective I was contemplating a 6mmsaum
Or 6mm/6.5 prc

I drew up a reamer for a 6mm/6.5 PRC and made a couple dummy rounds for a guy. He ended up scrapping the idea because the OAL with most 115gr bullets was going too long to feed through an AICS mag. The 6mm SST might be an interesting option for a fast 6mm that will work as a repeater.



Fair enough. The 26 nosler build of mine is my first real speed bill. The SAUM looks alright, the WSSM always interested me more thou
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 10, 2020, 08:49:57 AM
That 6sst sounds pretty good.  Adg brass, whinden dies.  Mag fed even with 115’s meaning no 2 loads for playing and hunting.  Would need to open my bolt face. 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 10, 2020, 08:52:28 AM
Not bad just not great.   I’ll admit I’m a speed freak when I comes to rifles.   Looking up the gt I’m thinking......meh.   To put things in perspective I was contemplating a 6mmsaum
Or 6mm/6.5 prc

I drew up a reamer for a 6mm/6.5 PRC and made a couple dummy rounds for a guy. He ended up scrapping the idea because the OAL with most 115gr bullets was going too long to feed through an AICS mag. The 6mm SST might be an interesting option for a fast 6mm that will work as a repeater.



Fair enough. The 26 nosler build of mine is my first real speed bill. The SAUM looks alright, the WSSM always interested me more thou
the wssm used to interest me too.   
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 17, 2020, 09:53:03 AM
Well after much thought and deliberation I have 2 barrels arriving Monday 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
Wait...... looked at 30BR?   120 gr at 3000 fps.  Easiest to tune. 6000+ rounds barrel life.  Arguably most accurate at 300 yds.    Deer or target. 

Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jmscon on April 17, 2020, 10:18:04 AM
Well after much thought and deliberation I have 2 barrels arriving Monday

Was the .243 barrel from Northland?
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 17, 2020, 10:46:17 AM
Well after much thought and deliberation I have 2 barrels arriving Monday

Was the .243 barrel from Northland?
yes it was.
One of the barrels I ordered is the exact same barrel which I may rechamber myself to 243ai. 
Title: Re: New barrel time
Post by: jasnt on April 17, 2020, 11:06:32 AM
Wait...... looked at 30BR?   120 gr at 3000 fps.  Easiest to tune. 6000+ rounds barrel life.  Arguably most accurate at 300 yds.    Deer or target. 


the 30br is cool. But not really my style.  I’ve thought about replacing my 300wm barrel but I just really like the 338 cartridges so much more.   I may do a hunting weight barrel 338/375 ruger and shoot the 250gr or go with edge.  For deer I really like how the 243 has preformed for me.   The 338’s also give me that warm fuzzy feeling
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