Hunting Washington Forum

Other Activities => Shed Hunting => Topic started by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:16:09 AM


Advertise Here
Title: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:16:09 AM
A friend of mine that owns land adjacent to the ALE (Arid Land of Ecology) had a few friends out riding horses on Saturday May 3rd, as they were cresting a hill they spotted 4 guys miles out on Hanford land. As they watched them they noticed they were running back to their truck, obviously because they had been spotted. The horseback riders galloped down to their truck, at that point the trespassers decided to hide in a dip still on Hanford land. The truck was full of hunting gear, spotting scopes, beer and packs. They parked on private land at the fence line of ALE (which clearly stated no unauthorized entry). The trespassers Finally came out after  1 hr and 45 min by the time they saw the horseback riders leave over a hill. By then the landowner was at the fence line and they continued to walk to their truck with FULL PACKS. The 4 men are from Chehalis WA said they were shed hunting and had permission, but got scared and hid when they saw people on horseback. (Then why hide if you had permission?) They said they had been out there all weekend and last weekend. As well as one trespasser said he had just got a $500.00 ticket for trespassing on the Wenas Elk Feeding station two days prior. When dispatched, the authorities also stated the same individuals were caught trespassing 3 weeks ago and were caught on another part of Hanford land. Keep an eye out for this blue dodge and these trespassers. They ruin it for the rest of us!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:18:41 AM
.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:19:36 AM
.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: vandeman17 on May 04, 2020, 09:23:50 AM
so they were actually caught this go around too? All those fines and tickets just for sheds? Good grief
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 04, 2020, 09:26:24 AM
That's the 1 percent that will screw it up for the other 99 percent.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:28:03 AM
.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Sandberm on May 04, 2020, 09:32:26 AM
Is there a lack of law enforcement right now due to the virus and that's why these guys are so brazen?

I wonder how many more violations they commit the rest of the year? Shoot a few extra deer? Elk?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 04, 2020, 09:34:11 AM
so they were actually caught this go around too? All those fines and tickets just for sheds? Good grief
  :yeah: is this a PSA only or was law enforcement actually contacted and these guys got busted?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Naches Sportsman on May 04, 2020, 09:36:26 AM
They should strip them of all their hunting/fishing privileges and give them a year in jail!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 04, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
On top of being illegal, packing out those chalky chewed up ones  :dunno:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on May 04, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
Good catch! :tup:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: MADMAX on May 04, 2020, 09:40:32 AM
well it looks the OP got a liscene plate
turned em in I hope
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Sutherland on May 04, 2020, 09:42:54 AM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:45:38 AM
Sorry guys I don’t know why the pictures are sideways, I’m trying to post more but have bad cell service. And yes authorities were called and you can see the license plate in the pictures.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 04, 2020, 09:59:20 AM
Don't know if the WDFW will do much unless they were on the scene but busting across a fence and entering a restricted nuclear site has serious implications. Did anyone show up to arrest the perps or is the only thing that an investigation has to go on is the license plate and pics? Trying to prove who was driving, giving up the other perps after they have left the scene does not help.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 10:06:08 AM
so they were actually caught this go around too? All those fines and tickets just for sheds? Good grief
  :yeah: is this a PSA only or was law enforcement actually contacted and these guys got busted?

Local sheriff department was dispatched, along with Hanford patrol and the WDFW. Hopefully  these guys learn a Lesson! I feel they will continue to break the law though, they have already been busted twice in the last 3 weeks for the same act.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: MADMAX on May 04, 2020, 10:08:40 AM
good Im sick of the hurray for me go screw yourself crowd
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 04, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
so they were actually caught this go around too? All those fines and tickets just for sheds? Good grief
  :yeah: is this a PSA only or was law enforcement actually contacted and these guys got busted?

Local sheriff department was dispatched, along with Hanford patrol and the WDFW. Hopefully  these guys learn a Lesson! I feel they will continue to break the law though, they have already been busted twice in the last 3 weeks for the same act.
awesome man! Solid work  :tup:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
Landowner said there was probably close to 40 sheds in that pile they brought out. Makes you wonder how many more they got illegally.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Mfowl on May 04, 2020, 10:19:17 AM
Shameful pukes! Good on you Deerskin!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 04, 2020, 10:25:44 AM
Repeat offender...maybe they seize the new truck?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: jstone on May 04, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Sandberm on May 04, 2020, 10:30:12 AM
Maybe I'm just chicken...(and i obey the law)...but it just seems so brazen! Do people run the odds of getting caught? The consequences must not be stringent enough? Obviously

And...and, look at that truck! $$$ Thats not some backwoods poor guy with a still, a pot grow and 8 barefoot kids.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 10:43:46 AM
You would think the punishment would be a steep one since they were trespassing on federal land, and haven’t learned there lesson from previous charges.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
Once I find out what they are being charged all let everyone know on here.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 04, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
Neatly organized truck bed too  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 04, 2020, 11:03:25 AM
Neatly organized truck bed too  :chuckle:
I think they have a boot fetish...  :chuckle:

Hopefully they get the book thrown at them. Sadly the monetary value of antlers makes some of the tickets a cost of doing business. Big sets are big money and the rest is poundage that adds up.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: O. Nerka on May 04, 2020, 11:12:34 AM
I don't know anything about commercial shed hunting.  What would a set of big matching elk antlers go for?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 04, 2020, 11:19:51 AM
Ground up elk antlers is a cure for Covid-19.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Bullkllr on May 04, 2020, 11:27:20 AM
good Im sick of the hurray for me go screw yourself crowd
:yeah:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: HillHound on May 04, 2020, 12:17:18 PM
  Oh man I would love to see the name that truck is registered to. My brother lives over there so it would be great if it’s somebody that he knows so he can pitch some crap to about what a piece of *censored* that they are.  I have a feeling anybody that does know them just figured out why they were such better shed hunters  than the rest of us seem to be
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Yelper Guy on May 04, 2020, 01:41:12 PM
The guards at Hanford don't take lightly trespassers.
I've heard they'll dunk your head into a vat of glowing radioactive goo! :yike:

Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: IFunk on May 04, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
Perhaps they can't read.  There are signs everywhere out there!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: cbond3318 on May 04, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
Oh how I wish antler prices would tank. Dirtbags.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 04, 2020, 02:04:59 PM
Oh how I wish antler prices would tank. Dirtbags.

 :yeah: Or go away.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigfish51 on May 04, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
I remember standing in that exact same spot on the Roberts Ranch a few years back when my kid had the youth elk tag.  Lot's of elk hang out about a mile in.  There's a big spring in there that you really can't see from anywhere but there or up in a plane.  Hopefully the trespassers get taken care of by the law.  Pretty brazen, as it's quite a little drive to get to that point.  Kind of ruins it for all that do things legally!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 04, 2020, 02:34:06 PM
I remember standing in that exact same spot on the Roberts Ranch a few years back when my kid had the youth elk tag.  Lot's of elk hang out about a mile in.  There's a big spring in there that you really can't see from anywhere but there or up in a plane.  Hopefully the trespassers get taken care of by the law.  Pretty brazen, as it's quite a little drive to get to that point.  Kind of ruins it for all that do things legally!


Yeah it’s nearly 4miles of driving across Roberts ranch property to get to that Hanford fence line. My buddy has been fed up with trespassers on his property, so many people go hunting on his property one time and then think they can return whenever they want.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: jrebel on May 04, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
Tagging along to find out what happens to these guys. 

It is guys like this that will make the landowner shut down his land to everyone.  Very sad but true.  My advise to all landowners would be....MAKE IT VERY CLEAR....that access is for this year only.  Write it down and have them sign it.  People should have to check in yearly to make sure they are still welcome and not assume.  :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Maverick on May 04, 2020, 05:44:16 PM
Wow idiots!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: elkrack on May 04, 2020, 06:09:57 PM
Throw the book at them! :bash:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 04, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Maverick on May 04, 2020, 06:25:38 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.

Correct
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Bango skank on May 04, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.

My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pinetar on May 04, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.

My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?

If TRUE that would be awesome and hopefully teach these idiots a lesson. And to think they did this for a bunch of chalky chewed up antlers :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: h20hunter on May 04, 2020, 06:30:03 PM
Sounds like these jokers need a mention in the dishonor roll.....

@Andy Walgamott 
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: str8meat on May 04, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
Federal land +federal crime = federal prison?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Northwest Sportsman on May 04, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
When it rains potential *censored*es of the Month, it pours *censored*es of the Month.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 04, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.
My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?
It was not made a "big game violation" but rather simply an actual wildlife violation. Previously the only crime you could charge a guy with was criminal trespass 2nd degree which is not a wildlife violation and technically you could've kept the sheds.

In order for vehicles to be taken the vehicle must have been used in the commission of the crime (such as shooting from the truck.) Simply driving a truck "to the scene of the crime" is not enough. Also, vehicles are only seized for the most serious violations, not a guy trespassing shed hunting which is a misdemeanor (not even a gross misdemeanor.)

Since this occurred on the refuge it could be handled by WDFW through state courts or USFWS through federal court.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Bango skank on May 04, 2020, 07:03:11 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.
My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?
It was not made a "big game violation" but rather simply an actual wildlife violation. Previously the only crime you could charge a guy with was criminal trespass 2nd degree which is not a wildlife violation and technically you could've kept the sheds.

In order for vehicles to be taken the vehicle must have been used in the commission of the crime (such as shooting from the truck.) Simply driving a truck "to the scene of the crime" is not enough. Also, vehicles are only seized for the most serious violations, not a guy trespassing shed hunting which is a misdemeanor (not even a gross misdemeanor.)

Since this occurred on the refuge it could be handled by WDFW through state courts or USFWS through federal court.

So is removing sheds while trespassing something they can lose their hunting privledges over for a couple years?  I see that as a more effective deterrent than getting a trespassing ticket.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Maverick on May 04, 2020, 07:07:36 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.
My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?
It was not made a "big game violation" but rather simply an actual wildlife violation. Previously the only crime you could charge a guy with was criminal trespass 2nd degree which is not a wildlife violation and technically you could've kept the sheds.

In order for vehicles to be taken the vehicle must have been used in the commission of the crime (such as shooting from the truck.) Simply driving a truck "to the scene of the crime" is not enough. Also, vehicles are only seized for the most serious violations, not a guy trespassing shed hunting which is a misdemeanor (not even a gross misdemeanor.)

Since this occurred on the refuge it could be handled by WDFW through state courts or USFWS through federal court.

They'd keep the sheds?!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 04, 2020, 07:09:56 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.
My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?
It was not made a "big game violation" but rather simply an actual wildlife violation. Previously the only crime you could charge a guy with was criminal trespass 2nd degree which is not a wildlife violation and technically you could've kept the sheds.

In order for vehicles to be taken the vehicle must have been used in the commission of the crime (such as shooting from the truck.) Simply driving a truck "to the scene of the crime" is not enough. Also, vehicles are only seized for the most serious violations, not a guy trespassing shed hunting which is a misdemeanor (not even a gross misdemeanor.)

Since this occurred on the refuge it could be handled by WDFW through state courts or USFWS through federal court.
They'd keep the sheds?!
Prior to the law being enacted in 2012 yes, because the violation was trespass (not a wildlife violation.)
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 04, 2020, 07:17:04 PM
Sound like these guys weren't actually on Hanford property but actually the USFWS ALE (National Wildlife Refuge). So they will probably be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge and collecting wildlife parts on a NWR.
My understanding is that the law was changed a few years ago making "unlawful removal of wildlife or wildlife parts" a big game violation.  So cant they have their license revoked and truck taken for this the same as poaching?
It was not made a "big game violation" but rather simply an actual wildlife violation. Previously the only crime you could charge a guy with was criminal trespass 2nd degree which is not a wildlife violation and technically you could've kept the sheds.

In order for vehicles to be taken the vehicle must have been used in the commission of the crime (such as shooting from the truck.) Simply driving a truck "to the scene of the crime" is not enough. Also, vehicles are only seized for the most serious violations, not a guy trespassing shed hunting which is a misdemeanor (not even a gross misdemeanor.)

Since this occurred on the refuge it could be handled by WDFW through state courts or USFWS through federal court.
So is removing sheds while trespassing something they can lose their hunting privledges over for a couple years?  I see that as a more effective deterrent than getting a trespassing ticket.
Not for the single violation. But it does count towards their fish and wildlife conviction record where if they accumulate so many convictions in a 10 year period the department can then suspend their hunting privileges.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: C-Money on May 05, 2020, 07:38:01 AM
Tagging along...frustrating for sure.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 07:53:55 AM
Federal land +federal crime = federal prison?
my memory sucks but didn’t a couple employees poach a big bull on Hanford a couple years ago, and I thought they kept their jobs?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 05, 2020, 08:11:32 AM
This is nothing new. I'm glad the guys got caught and if this story is true should get the book thrown at them. But overall my frustration lies with enforcement of these rules. This is one instance, for one group, in one spot. EVEN if they hammered them, ( I do think the loss of hunting privileges' might be a good start as deterrent) Its so hit and miss it doesn't even make a dent in the actual loss of antler to those willing to brazenly go into these closed areas, or game areas before the opener.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bobcat on May 05, 2020, 08:19:43 AM
Why should the loss of hunting privliges be a penalty for someone trespassing to pick up shed antlers? They weren't hunting and might not even be hunters.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 05, 2020, 08:25:32 AM
Why should the loss of hunting privliges be a penalty for someone trespassing to pick up shed antlers? They weren't hunting and might not even be hunters.

Regulated by the WDFW might have something to do with it? Turns out they were not on the Hanford Reservation where they could have faced some serious trespassing penalties.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 05, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
So far the landowner tells me that the 4 men will be getting charged by the State & Federal game wardens. They didn’t tell him what all those charges include yet. I do know that 2 of the men are only in there early 20’s it’s to bad these young guys are starting out with such a record on wildlife violations & trespassing.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 05, 2020, 08:42:14 AM
Federal land +federal crime = federal prison?
my memory sucks but didn’t a couple employees poach a big bull on Hanford a couple years ago, and I thought they kept their jobs?


They poached 3 bull elk on the Hanford reservation close to the old Hanford townsite, 2 of the men worked at Hanford and both kept their jobs. I believe they spent 90 days in jail and $6,000 fine. You’d have to double check online to get the facts straight for sure. It wasn’t a few years later and some of the same guys went back to the area they poached the bulls and were picking up sheds. Game wardens had been watching them in the act and they were busted again!!! Some guys just never stop breaking the law.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Mudman on May 05, 2020, 08:44:21 AM
I think its stupid to have regs and fines n permits on sheds.  Horns, bones, whatever, its just a stick of firewood in the woods.  Not hunting.  I could care less if people pick up sheds or not....  Silly over regulated socialist crap imop.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 05, 2020, 08:53:51 AM
The rules are to prevent game harassment and trespassing  :twocents: lots of stress in late winter early spring has abad effect on the herds especially the pregnant cows
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 05, 2020, 08:56:04 AM
I think its stupid to have regs and fines n permits on sheds.  Horns, bones, whatever, its just a stick of firewood in the woods.  Not hunting.  I could care less if people pick up sheds or not....  Silly over regulated socialist crap imop.

Probably started to keep our winter weakened animals from being disturbed by shed hunters for months.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Bullkllr on May 05, 2020, 09:00:26 AM
I think its stupid to have regs and fines n permits on sheds.  Horns, bones, whatever, its just a stick of firewood in the woods.  Not hunting.  I could care less if people pick up sheds or not....  Silly over regulated socialist crap imop.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's the trespassing issue that's the real concern. The reason they were trespassing in the first place just happened to be "shed hunting".
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: ridgefire on May 05, 2020, 09:52:41 AM
I don't agree with them trespassing but in no way should it be considered poaching imo.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: h20hunter on May 05, 2020, 09:55:19 AM
Imo.....sure it is. I see poaching as the unlawful taking of a resource. They are poachers.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Bango skank on May 05, 2020, 09:55:39 AM
I don't agree with them trespassing but in no way should it be considered poaching imo.

They changed the law because the possibility of a ticket wasnt enough to deter people.  Were talking about serial trespassers here, guys that have absolutely no respect for private land if they stand to potentially gain something by trespassing and punishments if caught are weak.  Why defend people like that?  Theyre scum.  Want to stop people from doing dirtbag stuff like that?  Make the punishment severe enough to deter them.

I think whether a guy is trespassing to hunt deer, turkey, sheds, whatever, they should have their hunting license privledges yanked for a couple years, first time.  Millions of acres of public land out there, there is no excuse for trespassing.  Its stealing.  Just because somebody has something on their property you want doesnt give you the right to go take it.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Skillet on May 05, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
The trespassing issue is not in dispute, they broke the law there. If they're serial offenders, I hope they get their due.

The taking of sheds while doing so - is it poaching? 

An antler connected to an elk is still an elk - even on private ground - and is a publicly owned resource.  If they took the antlered elk on either public or private, that would be poaching.

An antler no longer connected to an elk on open public land is a publicly owned resource, and free for the taking - no poaching tags hung on shed hunters.

But an antler picked up on private land is a bit of a question to me.  Is that antler owned by the landowner, or is it still a publicly owned resource?  Water crossing private land is publicly owned, wildlife crossing private is publicly owned, but are the things the wildlife leave behind opened by the public or the landowner?  Sheds, snake skins, poop. 

I think for me it comes down to two things - if the antlers are publicly owned, they are poachers.  If they are privately owned, they are stealing from the landowner and should be prosecuted as thieves.

I also think that if they are either poaching or stealing the antlers in order to sell them, there should be an additional emphasis to prosecute them to send the message to other dishonest folk.

 :twocents:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: b0bbyg on May 05, 2020, 11:52:58 AM
The trespassing issue is not in dispute, they broke the law there. If they're serial offenders, I hope they get their due.

The taking of sheds while doing so - is it poaching? 

An antler connected to an elk is still an elk - even on private ground - and is a publicly owned resource.  If they took the antlered elk on either public or private, that would be poaching.

An antler no longer connected to an elk on open public land is a publicly owned resource, and free for the taking - no poaching tags hung on shed hunters.

But an antler picked up on private land is a bit of a question to me.  Is that antler owned by the landowner, or is it still a publicly owned resource?  Water crossing private land is publicly owned, wildlife crossing private is publicly owned, but are the things the wildlife leave behind opened by the public or the landowner?  Sheds, snake skins, poop. 

I think for me it comes down to two things - if the antlers are publicly owned, they are poachers.  If they are privately owned, they are stealing from the landowner and should be prosecuted as thieves.

I also think that if they are either poaching or stealing the antlers in order to sell them, there should be an additional emphasis to prosecute them to send the message to other dishonest folk.

 :twocents:

I think this should be broke down into 2 charges 1 for the trespass or illegal entry into a close area.   2nd charge for the value of the antlers, pile up all the antlers and have it be a theft charge based on total resale value. Possibly add fines as the value goes up, over $200 extra $200 fine over $500 extra $500  etc.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bobcat on May 05, 2020, 11:54:49 AM
There's no way they're going to call it theft of antlers.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 05, 2020, 11:57:44 AM
I've got horns all over my backyard, if someone walked in my backyard and took them what would it be?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: b0bbyg on May 05, 2020, 11:58:05 AM
I agree they may not, just a thought about private property penalties.   possibly just fines if not on private.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Maverick on May 05, 2020, 01:52:55 PM
Federal land +federal crime = federal prison?
my memory sucks but didn’t a couple employees poach a big bull on Hanford a couple years ago, and I thought they kept their jobs?


They poached 3 bull elk on the Hanford reservation close to the old Hanford townsite, 2 of the men worked at Hanford and both kept their jobs. I believe they spent 90 days in jail and $6,000 fine. You’d have to double check online to get the facts straight for sure. It wasn’t a few years later and some of the same guys went back to the area they poached the bulls and were picking up sheds. Game wardens had been watching them in the act and they were busted again!!! Some guys just never stop breaking the law.

I dont remember any jail time. I dont think the biggest bull was ever recovered by fish and game either.

Make an example of these shed hunters! Put their names on blast on here so we all know who these idiots are!
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 05, 2020, 08:54:36 PM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 09:12:41 PM
Lol, so all this frenzy for nothing.  Typical internet BS
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: b0bbyg on May 05, 2020, 09:24:28 PM
So what you are saying is that the internet beat down of these guys was not justified,  way to rain on the parade with facts and stuff   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bobcat on May 05, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
It's very hard for me to believe they didn't know they were on a National Wildlife Refuge. Having Onx and claiming they only knew it was public land seems like a pre-planned excuse.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 05, 2020, 09:31:07 PM
It's very hard for me to believe they didn't know they were on a National Wildlife Refuge. Having Onx and claiming they only knew it was public land seems like a pre-planned excuse.
There's plenty of National Wildlife Refuges you can hunt, fish, camp, etc. on. And then there's others which are completely closed to access, or where significant portions are closed. That's what makes NWRs different then USFS, BLM, DNR, etc.

I will say (and not in these guys defense) that is amazing how many people overly rely on OnX now. People see fed/state land and just automatically assume it's open for XYZ because hey it's state/fed land. That's the problem with the over reliance on technology now.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: hunter399 on May 05, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
It's very hard for me to believe they didn't know they were on a National Wildlife Refuge. Having Onx and claiming they only knew it was public land seems like a pre-planned excuse.
There's plenty of National Wildlife Refuges you can hunt, fish, camp, etc. on. And then there's others which are completely closed to access, or where significant portions are closed. That's what makes NWRs different then USFS, BLM, DNR, etc.

I will say (and not in these guys defense) that is amazing how many people overly rely on OnX now. People see fed/state land and just automatically assume it's open for XYZ because hey it's state/fed land. That's the problem with the over reliance on technology now.
Well the biggest assumption on state land is the state sells access discover pass ,sooo it should be open.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 05, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
It's very hard for me to believe they didn't know they were on a National Wildlife Refuge. Having Onx and claiming they only knew it was public land seems like a pre-planned excuse.
There's plenty of National Wildlife Refuges you can hunt, fish, camp, etc. on. And then there's others which are completely closed to access, or where significant portions are closed. That's what makes NWRs different then USFS, BLM, DNR, etc.

I will say (and not in these guys defense) that is amazing how many people overly rely on OnX now. People see fed/state land and just automatically assume it's open for XYZ because hey it's state/fed land. That's the problem with the over reliance on technology now.
Well the biggest assumption on state land is the state sells access discover pass ,sooo it should be open.
There's more state agencies then simply WDFW, DNR, or State Parks that manage state lands. Last year a couple guys got busted for hunting "state lands" that were actually managed by the Department of Social and Health Services as part of a healthcare facility. But on OnX it simply said "State of WA."
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: hunter399 on May 05, 2020, 11:10:12 PM
It's very hard for me to believe they didn't know they were on a National Wildlife Refuge. Having Onx and claiming they only knew it was public land seems like a pre-planned excuse.
There's plenty of National Wildlife Refuges you can hunt, fish, camp, etc. on. And then there's others which are completely closed to access, or where significant portions are closed. That's what makes NWRs different then USFS, BLM, DNR, etc.

I will say (and not in these guys defense) that is amazing how many people overly rely on OnX now. People see fed/state land and just automatically assume it's open for XYZ because hey it's state/fed land. That's the problem with the over reliance on technology now.
Well the biggest assumption on state land is the state sells access discover pass ,sooo it should be open.
There's more state agencies then simply WDFW, DNR, or State Parks that manage state lands. Last year a couple guys got busted for hunting "state lands" that were actually managed by the Department of Social and Health Services as part of a healthcare facility. But on OnX it simply said "State of WA."
Im sure you guys have seen the crazy,worse,of it .
And yes I agree state land is not always huntable,along with county property,ECT.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: ipkus on May 06, 2020, 06:05:30 AM
It's very hard for me to believe they didn't know they were on a National Wildlife Refuge. Having Onx and claiming they only knew it was public land seems like a pre-planned excuse.
There's plenty of National Wildlife Refuges you can hunt, fish, camp, etc. on. And then there's others which are completely closed to access, or where significant portions are closed. That's what makes NWRs different then USFS, BLM, DNR, etc.

I will say (and not in these guys defense) that is amazing how many people overly rely on OnX now. People see fed/state land and just automatically assume it's open for XYZ because hey it's state/fed land. That's the problem with the over reliance on technology now.

I think you are stretching awfully far to think these guys ended up where they did based on OnX.  They just happened to see this big chunk of public ground on OnX, knew there would be a bunch of elk living in the middle of the desert on it, didn't see a single other person on said ground over two weekends while they grabbed a lot of sheds...?

Really??

Nobody knows about the elk out there without knowing it is closed access...which is why there's a bunch of elk out there.

Regardless of what the backstory is, they knew where they were at and they knew what they were doing.  There is no logical way for that not to be the case.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Maverick on May 06, 2020, 07:10:41 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

You're telling me these guys got slapped with an up to $500 fine  for shed hunting hanford is all?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 06, 2020, 07:21:24 AM
Kinda falls in line with the  "these aren't my pants" excuse...
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 07:25:57 AM
The guillotine, the guillotine...
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 06, 2020, 07:37:06 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

You're telling me these guys got slapped with an up to $500 fine  for shed hunting hanford is all?
They weren't on Hanford. They were on a wildlife refuge next to Hanford.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2020, 07:43:23 AM
It’s a lot more fun to shed antler hunt when you don’t have to look over your shoulder.  Most of the antlers in that pile wouldn’t even make it in my pack.   
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 06, 2020, 08:10:44 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine two days earlier. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 08:15:54 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine the week prior. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So why in the OP's report did the perp say he got ticketed for poaching the Wenas Feeding Station? These guys knew exactly what they were doing. They hid when detected. Why? Believe the witnesses or the perps?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 06, 2020, 08:23:59 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine the week prior. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So why in the OP's report did the perp say he got ticketed for poaching the Wenas Feeding Station? These guys knew exactly what they were doing. They hid when detected. Why? Believe the witnesses or the perps?
The OP who "heard from a friend who owns land next to the ALE." Was that the same guy who didn't even know his family granted permission to these guys to be on their land?

Even had the guys been caught at Wenas the fine is significantly less than $500. As soon as I saw the $500 fine statement it was a red flag to me because I know that's not the correct fine amount. Turns out according to WDFW they don't have previous WDFW histories.

My info comes from one of the officers involved with the incident. If you don't want to believe me then that's your prerogative.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 06, 2020, 08:24:03 AM
There's no way that many horns sit for that long in that open country if anyone can legally access it, they had to know that. Instead of them getting the book thrown at them we will just hear more stories like this and end up with season, restrictions or something to that effect that only impact the guys willing to follow the rules. The guys doing this bs will just keep breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 06, 2020, 08:47:33 AM
There's no way that many horns sit for that long in that open country if anyone can legally access it, they had to know that. Instead of them getting the book thrown at them we will just hear more stories like this and end up with season, restrictions or something to that effect that only impact the guys willing to follow the rules. The guys doing this bs will just keep breaking the rules.
I'll tell you how this would've likely panned out if WDFW would've charged them with everything they could. First off it would all be be mandatory court appearances so a judge technically could've fined them $1 and sent them on their ways.

But let's say they go to court and plea not guilty. They lawyer up. Their lawyer tells the judge/jury how good these guys are, heck they even obtained permission from the private property owner to shed hunt on their land. People trespass on private property all the time, but these guys got permission! That's how good of guys they are! They looked at their phone and saw the ALE as Fish and Wildlife land and thought they were good to go. We all know how confusing federal/state regulations are but these guys took the extra step to look at a mapping app!

My guess is likely dismissed/not guilty. Instead they're cited for trespassing on a NWR which is a ticket they can pay immediately without ever stepping in court.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 06, 2020, 08:57:48 AM
Yeah I am sure that's how it would shake out. I'm glad they got a ticket, it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 06, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
So not having been there before what do the No trespassing signs say. Curious if a mapping app gives you an excuse not to read signs.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 09:09:19 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine the week prior. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So why in the OP's report did the perp say he got ticketed for poaching the Wenas Feeding Station? These guys knew exactly what they were doing. They hid when detected. Why? Believe the witnesses or the perps?
The OP who "heard from a friend who owns land next to the ALE." Was that the same guy who didn't even know his family granted permission to these guys to be on their land?

Even had the guys been caught at Wenas the fine is significantly less than $500. As soon as I saw the $500 fine statement it was a red flag to me because I know that's not the correct fine amount. Turns out according to WDFW they don't have previous WDFW histories.

My info comes from one of the officers involved with the incident. If you don't want to believe me then that's your prerogative.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So the Op did not know what he was talking about? Probably fabricated the pictures, too?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: bigtex on May 06, 2020, 09:15:36 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine the week prior. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So why in the OP's report did the perp say he got ticketed for poaching the Wenas Feeding Station? These guys knew exactly what they were doing. They hid when detected. Why? Believe the witnesses or the perps?
The OP who "heard from a friend who owns land next to the ALE." Was that the same guy who didn't even know his family granted permission to these guys to be on their land?

Even had the guys been caught at Wenas the fine is significantly less than $500. As soon as I saw the $500 fine statement it was a red flag to me because I know that's not the correct fine amount. Turns out according to WDFW they don't have previous WDFW histories.

My info comes from one of the officers involved with the incident. If you don't want to believe me then that's your prerogative.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So the Op did not know what he was talking about? Probably fabricated the pictures, too?
I didn't say the guys weren't there. I am saying the original post is not 100% correct.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 09:22:48 AM
Hopefully the OP resurfaces and fills us in on the rest of the story.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: DeerSkin on May 06, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine the week prior. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So why in the OP's report did the perp say he got ticketed for poaching the Wenas Feeding Station? These guys knew exactly what they were doing. They hid when detected. Why? Believe the witnesses or the perps?
The OP who "heard from a friend who owns land next to the ALE." Was that the same guy who didn't even know his family granted permission to these guys to be on their land?

Even had the guys been caught at Wenas the fine is significantly less than $500. As soon as I saw the $500 fine statement it was a red flag to me because I know that's not the correct fine amount. Turns out according to WDFW they don't have previous WDFW histories.

My info comes from one of the officers involved with the incident. If you don't want to believe me then that's your prerogative.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So the Op did not know what he was talking about? Probably fabricated the pictures, too?
I didn't say the guys weren't there. I am saying the original post is not 100% correct.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk


All the information I shared was first hand info I got from the landowner involved. I only went with what he told me.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 10:08:12 AM
Some inside info on this shed hunting case.

The initial report was that these individuals had trespassed onto private property and then onto the National Wildlife Refuge. Turns out that these shed hunters actually talked to the family who owns the private land and obtained permission to shed hunt on their land. Problem is, this is a big family and another family member saw the individuals trespassing (didn't know their relative granted permission) and wanted them charged with trespassing.

Regarding the trespassing on the refuge, the shed hunters looked on OnX and saw it as public land and thought they were good to go.

None of the shed hunters have had previous state/federal wildlife violations. They will be cited for trespassing on a national wildlife refuge.

Not very believable especially since one of the perps had complained about already getting caught previously for the same thing.
Because you heard it on the internet?

He also supposedly got a $500 fine the week prior. Except there is no infraction with a $500 fine...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So why in the OP's report did the perp say he got ticketed for poaching the Wenas Feeding Station? These guys knew exactly what they were doing. They hid when detected. Why? Believe the witnesses or the perps?
The OP who "heard from a friend who owns land next to the ALE." Was that the same guy who didn't even know his family granted permission to these guys to be on their land?

Even had the guys been caught at Wenas the fine is significantly less than $500. As soon as I saw the $500 fine statement it was a red flag to me because I know that's not the correct fine amount. Turns out according to WDFW they don't have previous WDFW histories.

My info comes from one of the officers involved with the incident. If you don't want to believe me then that's your prerogative.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So the Op did not know what he was talking about? Probably fabricated the pictures, too?
I didn't say the guys weren't there. I am saying the original post is not 100% correct.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk


All the information I shared was first hand info I got from the landowner involved. I only went with what he told me.

So the landowner did not know what he was talking about but the perps and the WDFW did?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Dan-o on May 06, 2020, 10:35:22 AM
Bigtex,
As always, appreciate you bringing some facts to the table.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Bigtex,
As always, appreciate you bringing some facts to the table.

And thanks to the OP for making us aware of these perps and thanks to bigtex for the list of excuses to use if you ever get caught.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Maverick on May 06, 2020, 10:54:20 AM
Bigtex,
As always, appreciate you bringing some facts to the table.

And thanks to the OP for making us aware of these perps and thanks to bigtex for the list of excuses to use if you ever get caught.

Learned the excuses to use and why guys dont have a problem sneaking where they shouldn't be for sheds with these cheap fines.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Dan-o on May 06, 2020, 11:13:55 AM
Bigtex,
As always, appreciate you bringing some facts to the table.

And thanks to the OP for making us aware of these perps and thanks to bigtex for the list of excuses to use if you ever get caught.

Learned the excuses to use and why guys dont have a problem sneaking where they shouldn't be for sheds with these cheap fines.  :chuckle:

So, would you rather not hear the truth?

Take for example the fact that there is no such thing as a $500 fine for this infraction.    Would you rather remain ignorant to the truth?

I didn't see bigtex protecting anyone.  He simply brought some truth to the thread. 

If anything he said isnt factual, why not dispute that?

Nobody asked bigtex what he thinks is right.  We don't know if he'd prefer the death penalty or a 2 cent fine. But he has proven time and again that he knows the law.   I'd like to keep hearing from him on these issues. 
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Pegasus on May 06, 2020, 11:21:11 AM
Bigtex,
As always, appreciate you bringing some facts to the table.

And thanks to the OP for making us aware of these perps and thanks to bigtex for the list of excuses to use if you ever get caught.

Learned the excuses to use and why guys dont have a problem sneaking where they shouldn't be for sheds with these cheap fines.  :chuckle:

So, would you rather not hear the truth?

Take for example the fact that there is no such thing as a $500 fine for this infraction.    Would you rather remain ignorant to the truth?

I didn't see bigtex protecting anyone.  He simply brought some truth to the thread. 

If anything he said isnt factual, why not dispute that?

Nobody asked bigtex what he thinks is right.  We don't know if he'd prefer the death penalty or a 2 cent fine. But he has proven time and again that he knows the law.   I'd like to keep hearing from him on these issues.

BigTex should keep on posting here and I am sure he will. Just remember who he is representing in his posts. He can defend himself and loves to join in to gang tackle people here that dare question the agenda.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 06, 2020, 11:23:11 AM
A lot of people try to pick apart his posts. Can't recall seeing many of his posts that weren't fact though.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: HikerHunter on May 06, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
Assuming the running and hiding part of the story is true, they knew they were doing something wrong regardless of excuses.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2020, 12:11:09 PM


All the information I shared was first hand info I got from the landowner involved. I only went with what he told me.

Is he standing behind the entire story or is he backing away from some parts of it in light of this new information?
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: b0bbyg on May 06, 2020, 12:48:36 PM
Bigtex,
As always, appreciate you bringing some facts to the table.

And thanks to the OP for making us aware of these perps and thanks to bigtex for the list of excuses to use if you ever get caught.

Learned the excuses to use and why guys dont have a problem sneaking where they shouldn't be for sheds with these cheap fines.  :chuckle:
[/quote

So, would you rather not hear the truth?

Take for example the fact that there is no such thing as a $500 fine for this infraction.    Would you rather remain ignorant to the truth?

I didn't see bigtex protecting anyone.  He simply brought some truth to the thread. 

If anything he said isnt factual, why not dispute that?

Nobody asked bigtex what he thinks is right.  We don't know if he'd prefer the death penalty or a 2 cent fine. But he has proven time and again that he knows the law.   I'd like to keep hearing from him on these issues.

BigTex should keep on posting here and I am sure he will. Just remember who he is representing in his posts. He can defend himself and loves to join in to gang tackle people here that dare question the agenda.

Dang it, there is a secret agenda I did not know about,  I either read real slow or just missed it all together.  probably both  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: HillHound on May 06, 2020, 01:36:24 PM
So the one piece of the puzzle that still makes no sense is why were they hiding for almost 2 hours if they had permission??? I know I sure as hell have never hid on any property or have been afraid to talk to anybody while I was on any property that I had permission to be on
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: HillHound on May 06, 2020, 01:38:13 PM
Assuming the running and hiding part of the story is true, they knew they were doing something wrong regardless of excuses.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Dan-o on May 06, 2020, 02:54:21 PM
So the one piece of the puzzle that still makes no sense is why were they hiding for almost 2 hours if they had permission??? I know I sure as hell have never hid on any property or have been afraid to talk to anybody while I was on any property that I had permission to be on
How do you know they were hiding ?

For all we know , they packed a gourmet lunch?

Maybe they were picking that draw apart for sheds. 

Maybe they were hiding.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: HillHound on May 06, 2020, 02:57:11 PM
I guess your right.
I guess I just always default to the walks like a duck sounds like a duck, must be a duck theory.  Maybe I’ve just been subject to too many interactions with people who always seem to have a story and it is never their fault.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: westsidehntr on May 06, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
I guess your right.
I guess I just always default to the walks like a duck sounds like a duck, must be a duck theory.  Maybe I’ve just been subject to too many interactions with people who always seem to have a story and it is never their fault.

What I've realized is what you read on the internet is almost never the whole story.
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2020, 03:44:26 PM
 :yeah:

I am pretty sure that somewhere in the middle of all of the details presented here is where the truth lies.

Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: MADMAX on May 06, 2020, 04:20:45 PM
It’s no different IMO than jumping the fence at the feedlot
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: huntandjeep on May 06, 2020, 06:51:26 PM
There's no way those guys didn't know where they were . I have been near that area exactly 1 time before and I knew exactly what land was on the other side of the fence , and I didn't even have to turn on my OnX .
Title: Re: Shed hunters score big trespassing on Hanford!
Post by: dvolmer on September 09, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
Federal land +federal crime = federal prison?
my memory sucks but didn’t a couple employees poach a big bull on Hanford a couple years ago, and I thought they kept their jobs?


They poached 3 bull elk on the Hanford reservation close to the old Hanford townsite, 2 of the men worked at Hanford and both kept their jobs. I believe they spent 90 days in jail and $6,000 fine. You’d have to double check online to get the facts straight for sure. It wasn’t a few years later and some of the same guys went back to the area they poached the bulls and were picking up sheds. Game wardens had been watching them in the act and they were busted again!!! Some guys just never stop breaking the law.

One of the issues that is left out of all of this is that one of the perpetrators mother was super high up in management in the Richland office of the Department of Energy DOE.  That is how they kept their jobs.
SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2024, SimplePortal