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Title: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: throwingsticks on July 16, 2020, 01:56:29 PM
I haven't been following the Great American Outdoors Act too closely, but it has support from a wide range of organizations.
Has anyone read up on it?

see

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1957
and who voted for or against it
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s121
or
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=2&vote=00121
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 16, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
First I have heard of it.

Quote
This bill establishes the National Parks and Public Land Legacy Restoration Fund to support deferred maintenance projects on federal lands.

For FY2021-FY2025, there shall be deposited into the fund an amount equal to 50% of energy development revenues credited, covered, or deposited as miscellaneous receipts from oil, gas, coal, or alternative or renewable energy development on federal lands and waters. Deposited amounts must not exceed $1.9 billion for any fiscal year.

The fund must be used for priority deferred maintenance projects in specified systems that are administered by

    the National Park Service,
    the Forest Service,
    the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service,
    the Bureau of Land Management, and
    the Bureau of Indian Education.

The Government Accountability Office must report on the effect of the fund in reducing the backlog of priority deferred maintenance projects for the specified agencies.

Additionally, the bill makes funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) permanent. The President shall annually report to Congress specified details regarding the allocation of funds to the LWCF. Congress may provide for alternate allocations using specified procedures.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1957

It doesn't sound too objectionable, except on the basis that supporters or proponents should be foreclosed from objecting to deficit spending, if they are supporting these new spending plans. 
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: throwingsticks on July 16, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
A few more articles, there was a prior bill that was replaced by the one passed by the Senate, not sure what the difference was, but I would be interested to know.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2020/07/16/great-american-outdoors-act-would-improve-national-parks-and-us-economy

https://www.rmef.org/elk-network/house-introduces-bill-to-fully-fund-land-and-water-conservation-fund/
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: bigtex on July 16, 2020, 08:55:10 PM
The GAOA is being called by some, the biggest natural resource legislation of our lifetime, we'll see if that ends up being the case. As you can see by the Senate vote, large bipartisan support, the only opposition are Republicans and they tend to be the anti-public land types.

The interesting point about all of this is the permanent authorization of the LWCF which has been a large wish for Democrats, and hated by some Republicans. Even the Trump Admin has proposed significantly cutting or even abolishing the LWCF in their budget proposals. But this bill will permanently authorize the LWCF and the President has said he will sign the bill and has even tweeted out that legislators need to pass the bill.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 16, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
"Republicans and they tend to be the anti-public land types."

Those particular ones, or Republicans in general?  Because I would think you would surprise a great many Republicans to support public lands, especially on an outdoor recreation site such as hunt-wa.


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The Land and Water Conservation Fund was permanently reauthorized as part of the bipartisan John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management, and Recreation Act, signed into law on March 12, 2019.[3][9][10] It requires at least 40% of funds to be used by federal agencies and at least 40% to be allocated to the states. The Dingell Act, however, did not provide permanent funding for the LWCF, merely permanent authorization.[11]

In 2020, the Great American Outdoors Act was introduced by Cory Gardner (R-CO) on March 9th, 2020, during the 116th United States Congress.[12] It would fully and permanently fund the LWCF. Considered unusually bipartisan in nature in the context of the 116th Congress, the bill attracted 59 co-sponsors, both Democrats and Republicans.[13][14] On June 9th, 2020, it passed a procedural vote 80-17 and moved to full consideration before the Senate.[15] President Trump expressed a willingness to sign the act after being shown an impressive picture of land within Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park protected by LWCF funds, despite previously opposing the LWCF.[13]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_and_Water_Conservation_Fund
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: bigtex on July 16, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
"Republicans and they tend to be the anti-public land types."

Those particular ones, or Republicans in general?  Because I would think you would surprise a great many Republicans to support public lands, especially on an outdoor recreation site such as hunt-wa.


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The Land and Water Conservation Fund was permanently reauthorized as part of the bipartisan John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management, and Recreation Act, signed into law on March 12, 2019.[3][9][10] It requires at least 40% of funds to be used by federal agencies and at least 40% to be allocated to the states. The Dingell Act, however, did not provide permanent funding for the LWCF, merely permanent authorization.[11]

In 2020, the Great American Outdoors Act was introduced by Cory Gardner (R-CO) on March 9th, 2020, during the 116th United States Congress.[12] It would fully and permanently fund the LWCF. Considered unusually bipartisan in nature in the context of the 116th Congress, the bill attracted 59 co-sponsors, both Democrats and Republicans.[13][14] On June 9th, 2020, it passed a procedural vote 80-17 and moved to full consideration before the Senate.[15] President Trump expressed a willingness to sign the act after being shown an impressive picture of land within Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park protected by LWCF funds, despite previously opposing the LWCF.[13]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_and_Water_Conservation_Fund
I meant those particular ones who oppose the current bill. Such as the Mike Lee and Ted Cruz types.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 16, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
Gotcha.  :tup:
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: bigtex on July 22, 2020, 08:17:03 PM
The bill passed the House today with a vote of 310 in favor and 107 against. The bill now heads to the President where he said he will sign it.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Slamadoo on July 22, 2020, 10:30:01 PM
This bill's passage and ultimate signing by President Trump (combined with last year's permanent authorization of the LCWF) are the greatest victories for sportsmen and the places they like to visit since the Robertson-Pitman and Dingal-Johnson Acts. I am in my mid 30s and I can honestly say this is probably the greatest legislation passed in my adult life. I can't think of another action of any local, state, or federal government that will have a longer lasting positive impact on my life and the lives of my fellow countrymen and women. My kids will benefit from this when they are adults, as will their children.

Thank you to anyone who wrote their legislator or supports a group that promoted these actions.

This is a great thing for America during a time of many bad things.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: KFhunter on July 22, 2020, 11:04:00 PM
Idaho sure went against it, along with texas and utah



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Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 23, 2020, 04:53:33 AM
Mixed bag, IMO. Yes, it appears to be a victory, now, at least in part.  More money at a time when we don't have it.  And more money equals more federal control.  Federal control will not always be in the hands of people who value sportsmen and sportswomen.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: nwmein199 on July 23, 2020, 06:38:42 AM
Mixed bag, IMO. Yes, it appears to be a victory, now, at least in part.  More money at a time when we don't have it.  And more money equals more federal control.  Federal control will not always be in the hands of people who value sportsmen and sportswomen.

The US is always spending money and has been in debt as long as I can remember....why not pass this instead of a another wall street bailout or take a couple billion from the $686,000,000,000 defense budget?

This is a great thing for all of us who enjoy the outdoors!
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Jake Dogfish on July 23, 2020, 06:52:44 AM
I guess Senator Murray didn’t think it was important.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 23, 2020, 02:29:01 PM
Mixed bag, IMO. Yes, it appears to be a victory, now, at least in part.  More money at a time when we don't have it.  And more money equals more federal control.  Federal control will not always be in the hands of people who value sportsmen and sportswomen.

The US is always spending money and has been in debt as long as I can remember....why not pass this instead of a another wall street bailout or take a couple billion from the $686,000,000,000 defense budget?

This is a great thing for all of us who enjoy the outdoors!

You agree with me on that point.  That is part of the mixed bag. 

Ten seconds from now, people will be griping, blaming a certain favorite political target for the U.S.' out of control spending habits, part of which the gripers themselves supported.  That is the other part of the mixed bag.
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: buckfvr on July 23, 2020, 03:48:54 PM
And what will prevent this legislation from the same back door fund fleecing that Robertson-Pitman suffered ?
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: hughjorgan on July 23, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
This bill's passage and ultimate signing by President Trump (combined with last year's permanent authorization of the LCWF) are the greatest victories for sportsmen and the places they like to visit since the Robertson-Pitman and Dingal-Johnson Acts. I am in my mid 30s and I can honestly say this is probably the greatest legislation passed in my adult life. I can't think of another action of any local, state, or federal government that will have a longer lasting positive impact on my life and the lives of my fellow countrymen and women. My kids will benefit from this when they are adults, as will their children.

Thank you to anyone who wrote their legislator or supports a group that promoted these actions.

This is a great thing for America during a time of many bad things.

 :tup:
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Slamadoo on July 23, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
I understand some of the reservations, but we spend sh*t loads of money on other things that are a lot worse. Atleast in this case the defecit spending is going to a good program.

I guess you are either a glass is half full guy or a half empty guy.

This bill is a huge win for public land and the people who use it.

IMO
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 23, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
:tup:
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: throwingsticks on July 23, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
I understand some of the reservations, but we spend sh*t loads of money on other things that are a lot worse. Atleast in this case the defecit spending is going to a good program.

I guess you are either a glass is half full guy or a half empty guy.

This bill is a huge win for public land and the people who use it.

IMO

Totally this is great news!
You can see who supported it here,
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action#/votes/detail/id/6511
In Washington only Newhouse voted against it.
Nationwide the bill had 99.5% Democratic house support and around 41% support from the Republican house
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Slamadoo on July 23, 2020, 10:06:31 PM
Where can you see the Senate votes? I know it passed the Republican held Senate before it went to the House.

Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 24, 2020, 04:01:43 AM
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=2&vote=00121#name
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Bushcraft on August 04, 2020, 11:43:13 AM
Like always, SCI was at the tip of the spear fighting hard in the D.C. for Conservation, Hunter Advocacy and Public Lands.

As an SCI/SCIF Life Member, the Northwest's Regional Representative, and a longstanding Member of the Board of Directors and some of its operational Committees, I'm proud to say that we and our membership were instrumental in helping push this landmark legislation through the House, Senate and the President's desk.

https://safariclub.org/category/federal/

Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Bushcraft on August 04, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
Many thanks to the other organizations who also contributed!!!

See if yours made the list:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zp8igGATNr9CEDFGlc3_Jh285vtNwRDf/view
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: throwingsticks on August 04, 2020, 11:45:38 AM
Many thanks to the other organizations who also contributed!!!

See if yours made the list:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zp8igGATNr9CEDFGlc3_Jh285vtNwRDf/view
I searched yesterday, but couldn't find when it would be on Trump's desk, has it been signed yet?
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: throwingsticks on August 04, 2020, 11:48:26 AM
AWESOME! It is signed!
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-trump-signs-great-american-outdoors-act

Great news!
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: nwmein199 on August 04, 2020, 12:33:31 PM
 :tup:
Title: Good job Donny!
Post by: throwingsticks on August 04, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
You can thank the Democrats for passing the Great American Outdoors Act, but at least Donny signed it.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-trump-signs-great-american-outdoors-act

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,251219.msg3404796/topicseen.html#new

Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: Buckmark on August 04, 2020, 12:42:20 PM
Why did you start another thread about this when there was one already you commented on  :dunno:
Why are you on a hunting site?
Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: throwingsticks on August 04, 2020, 12:45:23 PM
Why did you start another thread about this when there was one already you commented on  :dunno:
Why are you on a hunting site?
Trying to keep the politics out of the Advocacy, Agencies, Access thread.
But feel free to attack me over learning about public stewardship and which party supports it.
Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: Alchase on August 04, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
Good News!
Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: Buckmark on August 04, 2020, 12:48:25 PM
Why did you start another thread about this when there was one already you commented on  :dunno:
Why are you on a hunting site?
Trying to keep the politics out of the Advocacy, Agencies, Access thread.
But feel free to attack me over learning about public stewardship and which party supports it.
Not attacking you, just wonder why you are on here when you really just start threads or make posts that have no real substance then to start drama.
Which by the way you may want to reread the forum rules
Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: Moose Master on August 04, 2020, 01:19:18 PM
Thanks for the link, hope that this will grow even further in the future for my grandchildren and those to follow.
Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: KFhunter on August 04, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
Why didn't the democrats pass this when they had both houses and the presidency?



serious question


https://science.time.com/2011/02/16/an-urban-president-hails-americas-great-outdoors/

This afternoon, President Obama took time out of what has already become a bruising budget battle to announce the release of a new report on America’s Great Outdoors Initiative. It’s a program the White House launched last year to preserve parks and open space across the country. (Access the report, which gathered the opinion of more than 100,000 Americans on outdoor spaces, here.) As part of the initiative, Obama said that the government would fully fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund, a trust first established in 1965 to provide money for national parks, forests and wildlife areas. That money, the President said, would come from existing oil and gas leasing revenues:
Title: Re: Good job Donny!
Post by: KFhunter on August 04, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
I thought this was a good inside look


https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/12/land-water-conservation-fund-000339/
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: bearpaw on August 04, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
the two topics have been merged, no need for two topics about the same subject, started by the same member
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: TommyH on August 04, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Great American Outdoors Act
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 04, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
Why did you start another thread about this when there was one already you commented on  :dunno:
Why are you on a hunting site?
Trying to keep the politics out of the Advocacy, Agencies, Access thread.
But feel free to attack me over learning about public stewardship and which party supports it.

Give it a rest.  There are plenty of threads you can rage dump in.
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