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Title: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 11, 2020, 04:13:31 PM
I was asked about this the other day, so I figured I'd post my opinion(s) for those in the planning stages that are pouring over topo and aerial maps and Google Earth trying to find a place to go that won't have other hunters.

First...It's important to remember that you live in a state with ~7,500,000 residents.  You're not only vying for a place that holds deer and no other hunters, but also isn't overrun by hikers.


Secondly...The Mountain Doesn't Care.

Use solid, proven, bombproof gear.  Crampons AND an ice axe or whippets are a damn good idea.  Keeping your feet healthy is everything. The weather can be awesome.  It can also really suck and try to kill you every minute of every day...for days on end. If you're the type that might go batcrap crazy from being forced to lay inside a snare drum (tarp, bivy or tent) in heavy wind, fog, rain, sleet, and snow for days and nights on end...then this hunt might not be for you.

Time isn't on your side since weather and travel will eat up a bunch of it. If you don't have 7-10 days, you're setting yourself up.

Deer are not behind every tree and rock. Alpine opulations densities are low. You might not even see a deer, much less a legal buck, much less a legal buck worth shooting many miles and lots of elevation gain/loss from the nearest trailhead. Huge bucks are EXTREMELY rare at altitude since they just don't have the same easy living as farm & ranch deer.  Success odds are in the low single digits and I'd bet it's the same guys every year that are responsible for most of those filled tags.

If you're the type of guy that is going to just barely stagger into some far flung basin and get upset after you put a long difficult stalk on a buck (if you can find one!) only to watch it drop right in front of your eyes to a friggin' predator that's scouted it and has been sitting on it for several days before the opener...then finding some private property you can access with a road might be a better option for you.

Regardless...good luck!

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 11, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Great read
I will be strep and deep for the archery deer season.! Caus e I love the high country
Good luck high hunt rifle hunters
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on August 11, 2020, 05:21:32 PM
Any sharable positive aspects of the high hunt?

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 11, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
Aim small
Miss small
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Colville on August 11, 2020, 05:57:33 PM
Any sharable positive aspects of the high hunt?

 :chuckle:

Yep.  Whatever your weakness;  gear, food, packing light, location choices, mental strength, physical strength, endurance....  you'll encounter it.  High hunt exposes flaws right now.  That's good news, to anyone willing to take her majesty's constructive criticism.  Exposing flaws isn't the same as fixing them.  Most people run with their hair on fire rather than deal with their flaws.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Buckhunter24 on August 11, 2020, 06:11:24 PM
We'll be in there this year for the first time hunting, i sure hope we survive :hunter:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 11, 2020, 06:34:06 PM
Any sharable positive aspects of the high hunt?

 :chuckle:

Hahaha!!!  Gonna need some Windex for my computer screen!


And yeah...but that would only serve to increase the hoards of people randomly tromping around the highcountry. ;)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jjhunter on August 11, 2020, 07:24:52 PM
I’ve hunted high in WY, CO, ID and WA and always found the Sept rifle hunts to be tough physically, but extremely easy hunting.  You are hunting summer pattern mule deer with a rifle.  Pretty good gig.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 11, 2020, 07:49:33 PM
I’ve hunted high in WY, CO, ID and WA and always found the Sept rifle hunts to be tough physically, but extremely easy hunting.  You are hunting summer pattern mule deer with a rifle.  Pretty good gig.

 :yike: :bdid: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:  ;)



Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 11, 2020, 08:28:25 PM
Have good gear, know your limits, get out there and experiment and don't be intimidated by the high hunt. Especially for rifle hunters it's just more days in the woods.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 11, 2020, 08:37:49 PM
Have good gear, know your limits, get out there and experiment and don't be intimidated by the high hunt. Especially for rifle hunters it's just more days in the woods.

This whole thread would be a better read if this response was the OP.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 12, 2020, 06:24:02 AM
Folks here we have someone trying to "talk you out of the high hunt". You can make your high hunt as easy or as tough as you want.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 12, 2020, 06:51:32 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Maybach Outdoors on August 12, 2020, 07:00:21 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:

lol... until you need em. Been on a few snow trips and never really needed them but they would have been nice.  :twocents:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: elkaholic123 on August 12, 2020, 07:05:10 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:

lol... until you need em. Been on a few snow trips and never really needed them but they would have been nice.  :twocents:
For the high buck hunt in Sept. in Wa.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 12, 2020, 07:06:06 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:

lol... until you need em. Been on a few snow trips and never really needed them but they would have been nice.  :twocents:
I've been hard-core backpack hunting for 20 years. I've needed crampons once and that was in February in Alaska  :chuckle:  Hell the last time I did Adam's I didn't even use them. I've glassed thousands of deer and I've never once seen one in September that would require an ice age. Stuff like that is thrown out there to try and get yourself cool guy points. How's that saying go? If you have to tell everyone how awesome you are, you may not be that awesome.....
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Maybach Outdoors on August 12, 2020, 07:07:21 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:

lol... until you need em. Been on a few snow trips and never really needed them but they would have been nice.  :twocents:
I've been hard-core backpack hunting for 20 years. I've needed crampons once and that was in February in Alaska  :chuckle:  Hell the last time I did Adam's I didn't even use them. I've glassed thousands of deer and I've never once seen one in September that would require an ice age. Stuff like that is thrown out there to try and get yourself cool guy points. How's that saying go? If you have to tell everyone how awesome you are, you may not be that awesome.....

I think so too. I mostly see them in the backpacking community...
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on August 12, 2020, 07:13:51 AM
You can literally hunt the high hunt while camped out of the back of your car.

Pro Tip: an ice axe will open a 2lb can of Pork and Beans right now.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 12, 2020, 07:23:42 AM
Another pro tip, if you don't have crampons and an ice axe you won't put yourself in an unnecessarily dangerous position where you would need an ice axe or crampons.



Great big secret here guys but the high hunt is no different than any other backpack hunt. LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT.  Ssme gear. Same tactics. Don't over think it and have fun. Too many people? Move. No deer? Move. Don't tag out? Wipe the dust off your stuff and get ready for Oct General season and look forward to next years high hunt.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 12, 2020, 07:30:17 AM
Another pro tip, if you don't have crampons and an ice axe you won't put yourself in an unnecessarily dangerous position where you would need an ice axe or crampons.



Great big secret here guys but the high hunt is no different than any other backpack hunt. LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT.  Ssme gear. Same tactics. Don't over think it and have fun. Too many people? Move. No deer? Move. Don't tag out? Wipe the dust off your stuff and get ready for Oct General season and look forward to next years high hunt.

Whoa, stop the bus. That's not true.

It's not the same as every other backpack hunt.  Not at all.

It's in September.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 12, 2020, 07:41:25 AM
If you are in an area that has a fair amount of other hunters you can always use the other hunters as dogs.  Just hunt smarter than they are and anticipate where the deer will flush from. Shot a 5x6 one time that others got moving.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 12, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:

lol... until you need em. Been on a few snow trips and never really needed them but they would have been nice.  :twocents:
I've been hard-core backpack hunting for 20 years. I've needed crampons once and that was in February in Alaska  :chuckle:  Hell the last time I did Adam's I didn't even use them. I've glassed thousands of deer and I've never once seen one in September that would require an ice age. Stuff like that is thrown out there to try and get yourself cool guy points. How's that saying go? If you have to tell everyone how awesome you are, you may not be that awesome.....

Ironic.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 12, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
A little too ironic. It's like rain on a sunny day.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Colville on August 12, 2020, 08:37:49 AM
The point about the difficulty of the high hunt is really directed at those saying.... I'm going to give it a go, and it's their first pack in hunt.  Lots and lots of guys have hunted the high hunt, once.  It's ordinary for the very experienced guys to say, have your poop in a group and go get em.  Most of the new crowd doesn't have the poop, or it's too heavy, or won't keep em dry..... etc.  Anyone who is a backpacking hunter already, won't be put off by this thread.

I was that guy.  No experienced guy schooling me in the beginning.  I learned, HARD.   Hamlet was right.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Mtnwalker on August 12, 2020, 08:59:41 AM
The point about the difficulty of the high hunt is really directed at those saying.... I'm going to give it a go, and it's their first pack in hunt.  Lots and lots of guys have hunted the high hunt, once.  It's ordinary for the very experienced guys to say, have your poop in a group and go get em.  Most of the new crowd doesn't have the poop, or it's too heavy, or won't keep em dry..... etc.  Anyone who is a backpacking hunter already, won't be put off by this thread.

I was that guy.  No experienced guy schooling me in the beginning.  I learned, HARD.   Hamlet was right.

So the point of this thread is to dissuade the new guys? Got it... the high hunt was my first backpack hunt as well. I read plenty of stuff like this, the “don’t do it, you can’t handle it” posts. Boy was I glad we didn’t listen to those guys as my buddy and I were packing our bucks out on opening day, blue jeans and all...  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 12, 2020, 09:00:55 AM
The point about the difficulty of the high hunt is really directed at those saying.... I'm going to give it a go, and it's their first pack in hunt.  Lots and lots of guys have hunted the high hunt, once.  It's ordinary for the very experienced guys to say, have your poop in a group and go get em.  Most of the new crowd doesn't have the poop, or it's too heavy, or won't keep em dry..... etc.  Anyone who is a backpacking hunter already, won't be put off by this thread.

I was that guy.  No experienced guy schooling me in the beginning.  I learned, HARD.   Hamlet was right.

Well, someone got the gist of it.  Now...get that knee fixed and get back to earning that PhD in High Buckery.  :) ;)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 12, 2020, 09:26:37 AM

So the point of this thread is to dissuade the new guys? Got it... the high hunt was my first backpack hunt as well. I read plenty of stuff like this, the “don’t do it, you can’t handle it” posts. Boy was I glad we didn’t listen to those guys as my buddy and I were packing our bucks out on opening morning, blue jeans and all...  :chuckle:

Right on...Congrats!

And no, it wasn't to dissuade or pop anyone's High Buck dream bubble. Think of it more of a hard, cold, fact-based set of opinions born out of many, many years of successfully hunting in the high country that newbies are better off knowing than not.  I've seen happy hunters that crushed it, and I've seen dejected walking-dead hunters that had their bodies and souls crushed.  I've been both.  The latter is the tuition that a lot of people pay early on before they keep fighting and learning and eventually figure it out and get to the point where it's a foregone conclusion that they will tag out every year (if they want).

At this point, for me it's more of a 10+ day vacation in one of the most majestic places on Earth (and where I'll have my ashes spread) with good friends and finding and putting a tag on a really nice buck is just icing on the cake.  If all I wanted was the meat, doing it closer to the road later in the season or shooting a nice 4x4 Blacktail off my deck or on a giant Rayonier lease is a helluva lot easier.

And yes, blue jeans work just fine for blue bird days...but I'd be willing to bet that you've moved to synthetics.  ;)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 12, 2020, 09:28:45 AM
Last year’s weather was brutal
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 12, 2020, 09:35:18 AM
Last year’s weather was brutal

Yep. Historically epic monsoon. Literally.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Colville on August 12, 2020, 09:36:54 AM
The point about the difficulty of the high hunt is really directed at those saying.... I'm going to give it a go, and it's their first pack in hunt.  Lots and lots of guys have hunted the high hunt, once.  It's ordinary for the very experienced guys to say, have your poop in a group and go get em.  Most of the new crowd doesn't have the poop, or it's too heavy, or won't keep em dry..... etc.  Anyone who is a backpacking hunter already, won't be put off by this thread.

I was that guy.  No experienced guy schooling me in the beginning.  I learned, HARD.   Hamlet was right.

So the point of this thread is to dissuade the new guys? Got it... the high hunt was my first backpack hunt as well. I read plenty of stuff like this, the “don’t do it, you can’t handle it” posts. Boy was I glad we didn’t listen to those guys as my buddy and I were packing our bucks out on opening day, blue jeans and all...  :chuckle:

I'm only a commenter not the OP.  I'm not dissuading anyone, unless pointing out the truth that the high hunt can be a misery to people who are going to just "give it a go" is dissuasion. It can be a misery. it's been that to me in the beginning. It would be a better experience for new guys and the experienced if people found out if their gear could survive a walk around their neighborhood for 5 miles, culminating in pitching in a downpour, sleeping there and remaining there for the next 36 hours of dumping rain and wind.  The capacity for people to envision pictures from an add to visit Montana as their high hunt experience is common.  On the right days it is!  I think I've hunted just one high hunt that didn't have a miserable weather component.   A short review of posts will find that I've offered lots of helpful thoughts to new guys looking at the high hunt (to dissuade them?).    And my opinion is that one should start at backpacking in some lousy conditions so that you can vet your gear, fitness, willingness to endure etc, rather than just "give it a go".   YMMV
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Buckhunter24 on August 12, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
The point about the difficulty of the high hunt is really directed at those saying.... I'm going to give it a go, and it's their first pack in hunt.  Lots and lots of guys have hunted the high hunt, once.  It's ordinary for the very experienced guys to say, have your poop in a group and go get em.  Most of the new crowd doesn't have the poop, or it's too heavy, or won't keep em dry..... etc.  Anyone who is a backpacking hunter already, won't be put off by this thread.

I was that guy.  No experienced guy schooling me in the beginning.  I learned, HARD.   Hamlet was right.

So the point of this thread is to dissuade the new guys? Got it... the high hunt was my first backpack hunt as well. I read plenty of stuff like this, the “don’t do it, you can’t handle it” posts. Boy was I glad we didn’t listen to those guys as my buddy and I were packing our bucks out on opening day, blue jeans and all...  :chuckle:

Right on mtnwalker, I'll be another one in blue jeans up there  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Igor on August 12, 2020, 09:57:18 AM


Right on mtnwalker, I'll be another one in blue jeans up there  :chuckle:


Why Deer Hunters Should Never Wear Blue Jeans, and Other Important Facts About Deer Vision

"There’s no need to be concerned about wearing blaze orange because the deer won’t be able to zero in on it like a fellow hunter can. Just don’t wear your blue jeans; you’ll stick out like a sore thumb."

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-changers/why-deer-hunters-should-never-wear-blue-jeans-and-other-important-facts-about/
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Buckhunter24 on August 12, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I'll likely throw some wool in too, and its green. I haven't bought hunting specific pants, I'm hesitant to spend the money on them. I've honestly never felt that jeans were an issue with deer. Not to derail the thread too much...
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 12, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
I'll likely throw some wool in too, and its green. I haven't bought hunting specific pants, I'm hesitant to spend the money on them. I've honestly never felt that jeans were an issue with deer. Not to derail the thread too much...

Not an issue with deer at all. Just an issue with my inner legs when it is wet and I'm climbing up a hill!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Buckhunter24 on August 12, 2020, 11:15:02 AM
I should stipulate, none of those discount wranglers from North40. There a little tight around the important parts and range of motion is about half of normal.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 12, 2020, 11:24:15 AM
Yep leave the CowboyCuts at home!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Mtnwalker on August 12, 2020, 11:46:25 AM


Right on mtnwalker, I'll be another one in blue jeans up there  :chuckle:


Why Deer Hunters Should Never Wear Blue Jeans, and Other Important Facts About Deer Vision

"There’s no need to be concerned about wearing blaze orange because the deer won’t be able to zero in on it like a fellow hunter can. Just don’t wear your blue jeans; you’ll stick out like a sore thumb."

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-changers/why-deer-hunters-should-never-wear-blue-jeans-and-other-important-facts-about/

Oh believe you-me I’m no proponent of hunting in jeans, stretchy pants are the greatest thing to happen to backpack hunting since the backpack.  :chuckle: if I remember right I went in with a pair of jeans and a pair of Rivers West. Jeans were the lesser of two evils
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 12, 2020, 12:05:09 PM
I can't wait for the season. 3 of my friends and myself are going over LG and into the Napeequa. Had 2 scouting trips up there so far one in the valley and one from above. Looks very promising.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jimmy33 on August 12, 2020, 12:08:04 PM
I was asked about this the other day, so I figured I'd post my opinion(s) for those in the planning stages that are pouring over topo and aerial maps and Google Earth trying to find a place to go that won't have other hunters.

First...It's important to remember that you live in a state with ~7,500,000 residents.  You're not only vying for a place that holds deer and no other hunters, but also isn't overrun by hikers.

  • If there is a trail system that you can use to access the general area, you will definitely not be alone, especially if they are livestock accessible. (this includes basins you'll have to bushwhack into)
  • Big mileage and tons of elevation gain/loss from a trailhead are irrelevant filters. In fact they might be the worst filters since that's exactly what everyone else thinks, or has thought about and found out the hard way.
  • The more difficult it looks like to get into an area where you want to hunt...and then haul out a heavy load if you get one, the more hardcore your competition will likely be with guys that have been hunting it for many years and know the area like the back of their hands.
  • The true crazies that think about this hunt every day of the year (like me) have been training all year and don't care how much blood, sweat and tears they have to put in.  They relish a Fine & Pleasant Misery.  That's who you're up against.

Secondly...The Mountain Doesn't Care.

Use solid, proven, bombproof gear.  Crampons AND an ice axe or whippets are a damn good idea.  Keeping your feet healthy is everything. The weather can be awesome.  It can also really suck and try to kill you every minute of every day...for days on end. If you're the type that might go batcrap crazy from being forced to lay inside a snare drum (tarp, bivy or tent) in heavy wind, fog, rain, sleet, and snow for days and nights on end...then this hunt might not be for you.

Time isn't on your side since weather and travel will eat up a bunch of it. If you don't have 7-10 days, you're setting yourself up.

Deer are not behind every tree and rock. Alpine opulations densities are low. You might not even see a deer, much less a legal buck, much less a legal buck worth shooting many miles and lots of elevation gain/loss from the nearest trailhead. Huge bucks are EXTREMELY rare at altitude since they just don't have the same easy living as farm & ranch deer.  Success odds are in the low single digits and I'd bet it's the same guys every year that are responsible for most of those filled tags.

If you're the type of guy that is going to just barely stagger into some far flung basin and get upset after you put a long difficult stalk on a buck (if you can find one!) only to watch it drop right in front of your eyes to a friggin' predator that's scouted it and has been sitting on it for several days before the opener...then finding some private property you can access with a road might be a better option for you.

Regardless...good luck!
The Washington High hunt is a joke compared to the Cabinets, Purcells, Or the Selkirks. As mentioned earlier, the high hunt isnt that big of a deal...lots of trails, lots of water...no real logistical issues...Really pretty country for sure.


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Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: milldozer on August 12, 2020, 12:14:34 PM
I can't wait for the season. 3 of my friends and myself are going over LG and into the Napeequa. Had 2 scouting trips up there so far one in the valley and one from above. Looks very promising.

This should get good fast.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: RockCreek on August 12, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
 :camp:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Colville on August 12, 2020, 12:37:11 PM
Good luck to everyone going.  I'm going to be getting kids to college and buying a building and family medical stuff this year right when I should be out there.  Hope for no fires and no pineapple express weather.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ganghis on August 12, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
I can't wait for the season. 3 of my friends and myself are going over LG and into the Napeequa. Had 2 scouting trips up there so far one in the valley and one from above. Looks very promising.

Ha ha, I've never hunted there but there's been posts in the past about newbies at the pass wandering around up on LG blowing out bedded bucks that HW people have been stalking.  It's public land so do what you want tho.  I think Napeequa itself would be fun with a group of 4.  A deer or two between the 4 of you should be reasonable to pack out - and if not (the most likely outcome), hey, it's a beautiful place and great experience.  That's *not* the type of place you want to go into solo unless you're in really good shape and have an extra couple of days to pack out an animal.  I'd take some of the other advice on here with a grain of salt - you don't need crampons and an ice axe - decent backpacking experience is fine (maybe microspikes if it's going to snow?)   But you need to be realistic about how much effort and time it's going to take to get an animal out. 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 12, 2020, 05:20:06 PM
I can't wait for the season. 3 of my friends and myself are going over LG and into the Napeequa. Had 2 scouting trips up there so far one in the valley and one from above. Looks very promising.

Little Giant, a trail known as a horse killer.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on August 12, 2020, 05:45:45 PM
After years of reading of these posts and never having been there I am fairly certain there is either a) a 90% harvest success, b) one deer shot a year and 125 medivacs or c) it's the same thing as c-post.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on August 12, 2020, 06:11:29 PM
After years of reading of these posts and never having been there I am fairly certain there is either a) a 90% harvest success, b) one deer shot a year and 125 medivacs or c) it's the same thing as c-post.


Some combination of all of the above.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 12, 2020, 06:58:44 PM
This thread is making me want to buy a Washington deer tag-deer hunting where I need an ice axe ?sounds pretty damn exciting  :chuckle: I think the op was probably trying to discourage but I think his plan might have backfired and created more interest in a lot of hunters.  I need to check it out! get ready for 1 more newbie on the mountain!!! Cant be worse than some of the crap I have crawled up in Idaho. Or can it?  :dunno: the mystery is getting me excited  :chuckle: I just don't want to be up against those psychos who have been training and dreaming about it all year.( I thought most hunters did that but must just be high hunt hunters?) Interesting thread and it does really want to make you check it out at least once.     
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jjhunter on August 12, 2020, 07:34:24 PM
Back in 2000, I was running a flannel shirt, a Cabelas Alaskan pack frame and an 8 lbs Slumberjack sleeping bag in the ALW.   I believe my pack, complete with 8 days worth of food and a 7mm ultra mag topped with the biggest scope that leupold made at the time, came in at a nice even 80 lbs.  😂


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Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 12, 2020, 08:35:48 PM
Back in 2000, I was running a flannel shirt, a Cabelas Alaskan pack frame and an 8 lbs Slumberjack sleeping bag in the ALW.   I believe my pack, complete with 8 days worth of food and a 7mm ultra mag topped with the biggest scope that leupold made at the time, came in at a nice even 80 lbs.  😂


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80 lb. infill pack...Now THAT is a Fine & Pleasant Misery.  Haha...awesome!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: The scout on August 12, 2020, 08:45:14 PM
My first backpack hunts were pretty much the same, 10lb tent, huge sleeping bag, the first hunt I went on the best light I had was a 3 d mag light and no head lamp, I still remember trying to eat top ramen with a huge mag light tucked into my neck. Good times
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 12, 2020, 08:45:52 PM
Only 80 lbs? You must have forgot your beer?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 12, 2020, 08:50:15 PM
Unlimited sheep hunt Montana army surplus backpack but I had beer and instant coffee in hand!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 12, 2020, 08:58:14 PM
I never weighed my pack but it was half full of beer and heavy! That was an excellent learning experience for me as I ran out of food and was not camped close to water😂 But managed to get the sheep out without dying. Solo but my buddy came up after a few days and was there to help me get it out and he brought some food!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on August 12, 2020, 10:21:50 PM
After years of reading of these posts and never having been there I am fairly certain there is either a) a 90% harvest success, b) one deer shot a year and 125 medivacs or c) it's the same thing as c-post.

How DARE you bring up C-Post?! I was almost banned for that a few years ago!  :bdid: :ban:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on August 12, 2020, 11:11:44 PM
Can’t have a bad time if you enjoy being miserable.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 13, 2020, 06:55:52 AM
Unlimited sheep hunt Montana army surplus backpack but I had beer and instant coffee in hand!

That's pure gold right there! It's been 30+ years since I've seen a Bota Bag.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on August 13, 2020, 08:13:16 AM
Can’t have a bad time if you enjoy being miserable.

You seem to enjoy being miserable. Packing that whole buck out with legs attached still.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 13, 2020, 08:54:04 AM
Unlimited sheep hunt Montana army surplus backpack but I had beer and instant coffee in hand!

That's pure gold right there! It's been 30+ years since I've seen a Bota Bag.
 

It was a backcountry essential  :tup:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 13, 2020, 09:11:30 AM
I can't wait for the season. 3 of my friends and myself are going over LG and into the Napeequa. Had 2 scouting trips up there so far one in the valley and one from above. Looks very promising.

Little Giant, a trail known as a horse killer.
Mostly due to the fact Trapps daughter killed 2 horses below the pass after she was told not to take her horses down into the valley. I drug one of the saddles up the hill a couple weeks later. The bears sure loved the horse meat.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on August 13, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
Can’t have a bad time if you enjoy being miserable.

You seem to enjoy being miserable. Packing that whole buck out with legs attached still.  :chuckle:

perzactly!  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: CaNINE on August 13, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
Back in 2000, I was running a flannel shirt, a Cabelas Alaskan pack frame and an 8 lbs Slumberjack sleeping bag in the ALW.   I believe my pack, complete with 8 days worth of food and a 7mm ultra mag topped with the biggest scope that leupold made at the time, came in at a nice even 80 lbs.  😂


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80 lb. infill pack...Now THAT is a Fine & Pleasant Misery.  Haha...awesome!

appreciate the McManus reference!  :tup:  Today's crowd calls it a "suffer fest".
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 13, 2020, 01:34:18 PM
I think anyone toting in an 80 lb pack must have lots of real food in it.  We'd take steaks, potatoes, Oberto sausages and other goodies and whine about the weight.  Next year would be freeze dried.... and we'd whine about that.  Heaviest pack in was 85 lbs and I ate good that trip.  Lightest was 61 lbs and I appreciated the cooking smells emanating from the horse camps.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 13, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
Observation- it's snows in September in the high country.

Back when gear was heavy I spent August scouting and packing in food and staging water. Probably some stuff still stashed in places. If you see a burnt out hollow stump with some rock's stuffed in it take a peak..you may be the lucky recipient of some beans or spaghetti o's
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 13, 2020, 05:17:14 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: bear on August 13, 2020, 06:28:31 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: archerykraze on August 13, 2020, 07:31:51 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I'm dying laughing.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on August 13, 2020, 07:34:35 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.

That Glacier Peak Hunt is a butt kicker.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on August 13, 2020, 08:18:04 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.
   

Pffft I thought you guys said it was challenging 😂
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 13, 2020, 08:45:29 PM
Buddy and me couple years ago in the ALW
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on August 13, 2020, 08:50:25 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.
You win the Internet. 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on August 13, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I'm dying laughing.

My wife wants to know why I cant stop laughing.

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 13, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
The blue jeans and all.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: yakimanoob on August 14, 2020, 12:21:28 PM
This has been great. 

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 14, 2020, 02:12:37 PM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.

Hahahaha!!!  That's platinum level humor right there!  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 18, 2020, 05:32:41 AM
Can hardly wait heading over LG 2 days early before season starts
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Odell on August 18, 2020, 06:03:08 AM
Can’t have a bad time if you enjoy being miserable.

This right here. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Out of shape, broken knees and shoulders. Find a mental happy place and keep trucking
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cb1989 on August 20, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
Can hardly wait heading over LG 2 days early before season starts

(https://i.imgur.com/LCzS0eQ.gif)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 20, 2020, 01:19:42 PM
come on why you laughing at the energetic fella?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
come on why you laughing at the energetic fella?

You going with him?
:chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Angry Perch on August 21, 2020, 07:47:16 AM
Great thread! I have nothing to contribute, as for me, the high hunt is when I jump out of my truck and have to climb up a berm to glass a clearcut.
Carry on!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: RockCreek on August 21, 2020, 08:00:08 AM
heading up the LG.....
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 21, 2020, 01:06:11 PM
What’s LG?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 21, 2020, 01:37:07 PM
Little Giant trail. It's kind of a secret though so keep it quiet.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on August 21, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
I checked the regs but couldn't find it, is there a waiting time to hunt after parachuting into a unit?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on August 21, 2020, 07:16:54 PM
I checked the regs but couldn't find it, is there a waiting time to hunt after parachuting into a unit?

Only at the LZ in the LG.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 23, 2020, 05:22:29 AM
Its all good we will be at the upper end of the Napeequa. There's a nice camp site there. We should be away from most people. Like mentioned we have it scouted and hopefully be packing some meat out. Only staying a week but that should be ample time.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bigshooter on August 23, 2020, 05:45:57 AM
Ice axe and crampons  :rolleyes:

lol... until you need em. Been on a few snow trips and never really needed them but they would have been nice.  :twocents:
I've been hard-core backpack hunting for 20 years. I've needed crampons once and that was in February in Alaska  :chuckle:  Hell the last time I did Adam's I didn't even use them. I've glassed thousands of deer and I've never once seen one in September that would require an ice age. Stuff like that is thrown out there to try and get yourself cool guy points. How's that saying go? If you have to tell everyone how awesome you are, you may not be that awesome.....

Ironic.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 25, 2020, 06:31:41 AM
 :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 26, 2020, 04:58:00 PM
Its all good we will be at the upper end of the Napeequa. There's a nice camp site there. We should be away from most people. Like mentioned we have it scouted and hopefully be packing some meat out. Only staying a week but that should be ample time.

 :rolleyes:   Sigh.  That's a really...:bdid:

Don't want to pop your Hope and Dream Balloons, but you should probably re-read my initial post and opt for Plan B.

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 26, 2020, 05:06:26 PM
 :fishin: I think that was a little troll
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: High Climber on August 26, 2020, 05:33:23 PM
Its all good we will be at the upper end of the Napeequa. There's a nice camp site there. We should be away from most people. Like mentioned we have it scouted and hopefully be packing some meat out. Only staying a week but that should be ample time.

 :rolleyes:   Sigh.  That's a really...:bdid:

Don't want to pop your Hope and Dream Balloons, but you should probably re-read my initial post and opt for Plan B.

Sent you a PM.

Sucks because that’s exactly where me and a few buddies are planning to be... I hope you guys are joking, otherwise please help us pack our bucks out?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 26, 2020, 05:44:51 PM
Its all good we will be at the upper end of the Napeequa. There's a nice camp site there. We should be away from most people. Like mentioned we have it scouted and hopefully be packing some meat out. Only staying a week but that should be ample time.

 :rolleyes:   Sigh.  That's a really...:bdid:

Don't want to pop your Hope and Dream Balloons, but you should probably re-read my initial post and opt for Plan B.

Sent you a PM.

Sucks because that’s exactly where me and a few buddies are planning to be... I hope you guys are joking, otherwise please help us pack our bucks out?

Haha! Hey, I can be bought if you bring enough bucks. Don't know about the other 23 people in the pumpkin patch.  :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on August 26, 2020, 06:49:41 PM
Its all good we will be at the upper end of the Napeequa. There's a nice camp site there. We should be away from most people. Like mentioned we have it scouted and hopefully be packing some meat out. Only staying a week but that should be ample time.

 :rolleyes:   Sigh.  That's a really...:bdid:

Don't want to pop your Hope and Dream Balloons, but you should probably re-read my initial post and opt for Plan B.

Sent you a PM.

Sucks because that’s exactly where me and a few buddies are planning to be... I hope you guys are joking, otherwise please help us pack our bucks out?

Haha! Hey, I can be bought if you bring enough bucks. Don't know about the other 23 people in the pumpkin patch.  :dunno: :chuckle:

Dang.....

I think we'll be just to the north of you.   

Maybe I'll poke my head over and wave.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 27, 2020, 06:17:59 AM
Hey maybe you should join us in the upper Napeequa one of the guys in our group might be backing out after he heard that someone was trying dissuade us from hunting there. But we are a pretty determined group and we will have some supplies stashed up there ahead of our hunt.  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 27, 2020, 08:10:42 AM
I suspect a disinformation campaign.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 27, 2020, 09:01:47 AM
Hey maybe you should join us in the upper Napeequa one of the guys in our group might be backing out after he heard that someone was trying dissuade us from hunting there. But we are a pretty determined group and we will have some supplies stashed up there ahead of our hunt.  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Haha! Are you sure the stash is still there?  8)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 27, 2020, 09:54:36 AM
I suspect a disinformation campaign.

Disinformation campaign?  Well, it's High Buck after all, so...  ;)

People trying to get each others' goats with some good old fashioned trolling?  What would an internet hunting forum with mostly anonymous dudes be without it? Just think of the massive decline in popcorn sales if they didn't exist!  :chuckle:

Bluffing?...Oh, that goes without saying.

But by all means, let's keep wagering.  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:   
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 28, 2020, 06:31:31 AM
Hey maybe you should join us in the upper Napeequa one of the guys in our group might be backing out after he heard that someone was trying dissuade us from hunting there. But we are a pretty determined group and we will have some supplies stashed up there ahead of our hunt.  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Haha! Are you sure the stash is still there?  8)

100% sure, I was just in there scouting my 3rd trip in. I wanted to catch the bucks before they lost their velvet as they will stay out of the brush then. The valley is choked with slide alder but you can get a feel for whats there when they are in velvet. Totally jacked about hunting there. Know of some guys that have done pretty good there in the past. There's always Stans group that stumble around in there.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 28, 2020, 07:57:21 AM
So have all the bucks lost their velvet by the first week of September
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 28, 2020, 08:04:30 AM
The little fellas hold on to it that long 50/50 IME but the bigger bucks definitely are thrashing shrubs this week and maybe earlier.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 28, 2020, 08:16:23 AM
The little fellas hold on to it that long 50/50 IME but the bigger bucks definitely are thrashing shrubs this week and maybe earlier.

^^^ This.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Ironhead on August 28, 2020, 08:27:21 AM
This little 4x4 rubbed out last week.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 28, 2020, 08:31:33 AM
This little 4x4 rubbed out last week.

 :yike:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 28, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
Heading up into the high country in two weeks for an archery hunt
Probably no velvet by then
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Mtnwalker on August 28, 2020, 08:39:49 AM
I killed a big old buck in full velvet on opening day up there. He was with 3 other bucks, 2 rubbed clean and 2 in full velvet still. My buddy killed the other big one and he was rubbed clean already.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 28, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
That's some good looking country One. I wish you the best of luck, hoping you put your tag on one.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: stlusn30-06 on August 28, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
I was asked about this the other day, so I figured I'd post my opinion(s) for those in the planning stages that are pouring over topo and aerial maps and Google Earth trying to find a place to go that won't have other hunters.

First...It's important to remember that you live in a state with ~7,500,000 residents.  You're not only vying for a place that holds deer and no other hunters, but also isn't overrun by hikers.

  • If there is a trail system that you can use to access the general area, you will definitely not be alone, especially if they are livestock accessible. (this includes basins you'll have to bushwhack into)
  • Big mileage and tons of elevation gain/loss from a trailhead are irrelevant filters. In fact they might be the worst filters since that's exactly what everyone else thinks, or has thought about and found out the hard way.
  • The more difficult it looks like to get into an area where you want to hunt...and then haul out a heavy load if you get one, the more hardcore your competition will likely be with guys that have been hunting it for many years and know the area like the back of their hands.
  • The true crazies that think about this hunt every day of the year (like me) have been training all year and don't care how much blood, sweat and tears they have to put in.  They relish a Fine & Pleasant Misery.  That's who you're up against.

Secondly...The Mountain Doesn't Care.

Use solid, proven, bombproof gear.  Crampons AND an ice axe or whippets are a damn good idea.  Keeping your feet healthy is everything. The weather can be awesome.  It can also really suck and try to kill you every minute of every day...for days on end. If you're the type that might go batcrap crazy from being forced to lay inside a snare drum (tarp, bivy or tent) in heavy wind, fog, rain, sleet, and snow for days and nights on end...then this hunt might not be for you.

Time isn't on your side since weather and travel will eat up a bunch of it. If you don't have 7-10 days, you're setting yourself up.

Deer are not behind every tree and rock. Alpine opulations densities are low. You might not even see a deer, much less a legal buck, much less a legal buck worth shooting many miles and lots of elevation gain/loss from the nearest trailhead. Huge bucks are EXTREMELY rare at altitude since they just don't have the same easy living as farm & ranch deer.  Success odds are in the low single digits and I'd bet it's the same guys every year that are responsible for most of those filled tags.

If you're the type of guy that is going to just barely stagger into some far flung basin and get upset after you put a long difficult stalk on a buck (if you can find one!) only to watch it drop right in front of your eyes to a friggin' predator that's scouted it and has been sitting on it for several days before the opener...then finding some private property you can access with a road might be a better option for you.

Regardless...good luck!

Meanwhile some 17 year old granola kid is punching 20miles and 10,000 vertical feet on the PCT, day in and day out for weeks in a pair Brooks Cascadias. Don't get me wrong, I know it isn't the same thing, but it isn't the first assault on K2. If you're used to sitting on clear cuts, or scouting from a truck window it's going to be tougher. If you're used to living out of backpack for a week, it isn't the end of the world. Get out there, enjoy yourself, take in some insane views, be safe, hopefully take some meat home.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on August 28, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
Take a fishing pole
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: etrah5 on August 28, 2020, 01:28:45 PM
Hey maybe you should join us in the upper Napeequa one of the guys in our group might be backing out after he heard that someone was trying dissuade us from hunting there. But we are a pretty determined group and we will have some supplies stashed up there ahead of our hunt.  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Haha! Are you sure the stash is still there?  8)

100% sure, I was just in there scouting my 3rd trip in. I wanted to catch the bucks before they lost their velvet as they will stay out of the brush then. The valley is choked with slide alder but you can get a feel for whats there when they are in velvet. Totally jacked about hunting there. Know of some guys that have done pretty good there in the past. There's always Stans group that stumble around in there.


Stans never been in there but good luck. there will be drop camps in that camp at the north end 13-19 then a second one back in on 19.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Colville on August 28, 2020, 02:54:02 PM
Take a fishing pole

if you are responding to these most recent LG posts, I suggest a review of the closed waters in the fishing regs.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 28, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
chiwawa should be closed downstream of Buck Creek.  Little Giant should be in the close area
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on August 30, 2020, 06:35:51 AM
It's nice to have someone chime in for their first post. Another one that thinks they own the area and try to keep hunters out.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on September 01, 2020, 10:30:16 AM
This has been a great thread. The OP was pretty spot on, well worth heeding for the most part (a whippet and microspikes can be nice in wet, steep avy fields, I take them to AK, but in drier areas I wouldnt bother)

This will be my 8th High Hunt, I got into it coming mostly from the mountaineering and backpacking world. My first High Hunt I had just run the Seattle Marathon and figured I'd cruise on up to the Wilderness and run down a deer no problem, heck, I could hike further and higher than anyone.

Boy was I wrong! 4 years later I finally notched a tag during the High Hunt on a nice 4 pt, and have had encounters every year since.

Take it slow, use your glass more than your feet, scout (further is NOT always better!), make a plan and then make a new plan when you inevitably have to. The Cascades are steep, with more small cliffs and obstacles than most mtn ranges, think about how you would get to the areas you're glassing: if it will take hours to get to that far ridge, don't expect to find the buck again when you get there. Smaller avy slopes, cirque basins or burns can be better than expansive ridgelines.

Treat it like a backpacking trip and if your gear is dialed and you see deer, that's a successful trip. If you take one home, even better.

You will be around other people, be patient, be nice, communicate and work with them if you can. I've had Icicle outfiiters drop clients 30 feet from my tent, that pissed me off, but they turned out to be nice older guys enjoying what may have been a last hunt. Was glad to have met them.

Plan your gear and fitness with the understanding that you may need to take your camp and whole buck out all at once (it's very doable if you're prepared), but plan your trip schedule with an extra day near the end so you don't have to, and can take two trips if needed.

Enjoy the high country, at the worst it's a shakedown drill for October. At best, there are some great bucks and bears up there.

One added thought: it has snowed at least 4 of the last 7 years on this hunt. Dont plan for nice August backpacking weather. I've done tarps, UL shelters, everything, and I now carry in a solid 3+ season tent and enjoy it. If it does snow or storm, hunt all the harder. That 4 pt I mentioned was shot at 11 am through a snow flurry. 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: actionshooter on September 01, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
The entertainment value on this one has been great...    :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on September 01, 2020, 08:57:40 PM
The entertainment value on this one has been great...    :chuckle:


 :yeah: I can’t quit checking for new posts   :chuckle: it’s either the most humbling bad ass experience you will ever have (if you don’t die) or just a typical mountain hunt where you actually have to leave your truck. I have to check it out
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on September 02, 2020, 06:22:37 AM
The original poster is the guy that thinks he owns the forest. His idle PM threats have no backbone like him
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: bankwalker on September 02, 2020, 09:15:32 AM
I hiked up a ridge once in a pair of nikes and slept under the stars on a blanket. Imagine how easy it would be with some qualified boots and a tent.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 02, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
When I had no money, I remember going up on the high hunt in Georgia work boots and jeans and a blue tarp.

Fun? No
Did I die? No

It's not like I was dropped off at some remote airfield in the Frank Church or Interior Alaska. Worst case scenario, put a foot in front of the other and walk out  :twocents:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Aginor on September 02, 2020, 09:55:59 AM
This really has been a good read does anyone have any good high hunt pictures?

This is still at the trailhead. I need to work on my camo.
Holy *censored* this is the funniest thing I’ve seen in awhile


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Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 02, 2020, 09:57:27 AM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 02, 2020, 09:59:53 AM
Please don't you will be the only one home
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 02, 2020, 10:02:37 AM
When I had no money, I remember going up on the high hunt in Georgia work boots and jeans and a blue tarp.

Fun? No
Did I die? No

It's not like I was dropped off at some remote airfield in the Frank Church or Interior Alaska. Worst case scenario, put a foot in front of the other and walk out  :twocents:

Being dropped at a remote airstrip in the Church in November isn’t even as death-defying as some of these guys try to make the high hunt out to be  :chuckle: sure you CAN get yourself into those situations if you go looking for it but the bottom line is the high hunt is what you make it. You don’t enter some death zone as soon as you cross the wilderness boundary, it’s not like we’re climbing Everest here. Use your head and don’t out-hunt your own abilities. Pretty simple. Some guys just like to feel like what they are doing is more extreme than it really is.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 02, 2020, 10:10:22 AM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: stlusn30-06 on September 02, 2020, 10:16:15 AM
Got my first 180inch Muley on top of that spire to the right. You wouldn't think big bucks live where there is no food, but you'd be wrong. Sure as hell could of used that ice ax. Only took 1 year of preparation and I departed in early July to get acclimated and strong by mid Sept. Worth those 180inches. Do yourselves a favor. Hire sherpas. There are Darrington locals that will take you anywhere in the cascades for a case of Busch lite. Money well spent. Lastly, if anyone is interested I have dope charts for 180gr Accubonds, .300wsm, at 0F > -20F and from 10,000-14,00ft. Feel free to PM

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg/1200px-Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 02, 2020, 10:22:46 AM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(

Your Sitka clothing system build should suffice but running KUIU is more elite. In addition their sleep system is great for running. Makes it tough to sleep though.

That Exo build that you're running could probably be built out to run better. Oh well at least it keeps the meat closer to your back without that single layer of Cordura in the way.

Better stay home until you're ready to "run" with the big dawgs!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on September 02, 2020, 11:33:42 AM
What ever happened to using Army/Navy surplus Vietnam jungle boots?  I used those early on.... and regular heavy sleeping bags.  Our rifles were heavy also.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 02, 2020, 11:36:17 AM
What ever happened to using Army/Navy surplus Vietnam jungle boots?  I used those early on.... and regular heavy sleeping bags.  Our rifles were heavy also.

I hunted with an ALICE pack back in the day.

Then I joined the Army and they gave me a MOLLE pack.  Hunted with that for a few years.

Hunted with my issued boots too.  I always wondered why my buddies weren't slipping and falling as much as I was.  Bought some new boots and those problems went away :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on September 02, 2020, 11:37:49 AM
What ever happened to using Army/Navy surplus Vietnam jungle boots?  I used those early on.... and regular heavy sleeping bags.  Our rifles were heavy also.

My first trip into the Bob was in jungle boots and a surplus mummy sack.  I did save weight by not having a stove, just a pot and a fire.  Our scoutmaster had a new fangled Coleman backpacking stove that ran on white gas and pumped up like the lantersn and we made fun of him all week for being such a weenie.

That said, I did get epic blisters and ended up walking in camp shoes with the heels cut out for two days.

My patrol also got lost and ended up finding a girls only camp, but that's another story.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 02, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
What ever happened to using Army/Navy surplus Vietnam jungle boots?  I used those early on.... and regular heavy sleeping bags.  Our rifles were heavy also.

My first trip into the Bob was in jungle boots and a surplus mummy sack.  I did save weight by not having a stove, just a pot and a fire.  Our scoutmaster had a new fangled Coleman backpacking stove that ran on white gas and pumped up like the lantersn and we made fun of him all week for being such a weenie.

That said, I did get epic blisters and ended up walking in camp shoes with the heels cut out for two days.

My patrol also got lost and ended up finding a girls only camp, but that's another story.

right Stein, "got lost"  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 02, 2020, 11:52:08 AM
Lets hear about the girls only camp
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ganghis on September 02, 2020, 12:02:18 PM
Got my first 180inch Muley on top of that spire to the right. You wouldn't think big bucks live where there is no food, but you'd be wrong. Sure as hell could of used that ice ax. Only took 1 year of preparation and I departed in early July to get acclimated and strong by mid Sept. Worth those 180inches. Do yourselves a favor. Hire sherpas. There are Darrington locals that will take you anywhere in the cascades for a case of Busch lite. Money well spent. Lastly, if anyone is interested I have dope charts for 180gr Accubonds, .300wsm, at 0F > -20F and from 10,000-14,00ft. Feel free to PM

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg/1200px-Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg)



There's been some good one's on here, but this might take the cake... I need to go find me some of these Darrington "sherpas"!! 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on September 02, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
It's a good story, but not a great story.   :chuckle:

I was maybe 14-15 years old and when our troop got to the trailhead, scoutmaster gives me a hand drawn map and says he's splitting the troop into two patrols and I was leading the second one as I was the oldest.  It was me, my younger brother, his buddy and two other kids.

Scoutmaster says "Give us an hour head start then start walking on this trail (points to the trail we were standing on) and don't stop until you meet us, we'll have camp set up."  It's about 8 am or so and he takes of.

An hour later, we take off and it was fine until we ran into a T in the trail.  No T on the map.  Left or right?  I measure both ways and the trail is the same width, same level of development, no difference.  I send two scouts left and two right and tell them to walk for 15 minutes, turn around and come back and report.  Both groups go out, come back and report the trails go through trees and it looks like a trail.

So, we ponder life for a few minutes and head right because it's uphill and most things in Scouting involve doing things the hard way.

We walk for about 3 hours and see a camp off the trail set up in a valley below.  Cool, but it looks like a whole bunch more tents than our troop should have.  Anyway, it's obviously our camp so we pound down the hill to a not so excited leader explaining that this is a girls camp.  All the girls come out of their tent and are excited to see someone other than stodgy leader, but we were escorted out of town.

Back 3 hours to the T, go straight until dark, pull out our awesome 0.5 candlepower surplus angle head GI lights which almost give enough light to see your shoes.  We stumble down the trail for maybe an hour and bump into our camp.  Scoutmaster isn't in a great mood as he was pondering how to tell our parents we were MIA, but did get a chuckle about the story.  He says he told us to go left, but nobody remembers it, probably because we weren't listening.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: SWHUNTER on September 02, 2020, 12:18:18 PM
Got my first 180inch Muley on top of that spire to the right. You wouldn't think big bucks live where there is no food, but you'd be wrong. Sure as hell could of used that ice ax. Only took 1 year of preparation and I departed in early July to get acclimated and strong by mid Sept. Worth those 180inches. Do yourselves a favor. Hire sherpas. There are Darrington locals that will take you anywhere in the cascades for a case of Busch lite. Money well spent. Lastly, if anyone is interested I have dope charts for 180gr Accubonds, .300wsm, at 0F > -20F and from 10,000-14,00ft. Feel free to PM

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg/1200px-Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg)

 :lol4: :lol4: :lol4:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2020, 03:12:47 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 02, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Got my first 180inch Muley on top of that spire to the right. You wouldn't think big bucks live where there is no food, but you'd be wrong. Sure as hell could of used that ice ax. Only took 1 year of preparation and I departed in early July to get acclimated and strong by mid Sept. Worth those 180inches. Do yourselves a favor. Hire sherpas. There are Darrington locals that will take you anywhere in the cascades for a case of Busch lite. Money well spent. Lastly, if anyone is interested I have dope charts for 180gr Accubonds, .300wsm, at 0F > -20F and from 10,000-14,00ft. Feel free to PM

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg/1200px-Tschierva_glacier_rework.jpg)

Haha! Good stuff!...But how did you not see the 216"er on the summit above that sweet skiable face??  :dunno:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 02, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.
Epic! I totally missed the build rail in that rig! He gonna run that build for sure now!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2020, 04:51:54 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.
Epic! I totally missed the build rail in that rig! He gonna run that build for sure now!

It's all part of a bigger system.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on September 02, 2020, 05:39:18 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.
Epic! I totally missed the build rail in that rig! He gonna run that build for sure now!

It's all part of a bigger system.

Please stop.

My wife wanted to know why I was crying so I showed her this.
Se read it.
Now she thinks I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 02, 2020, 06:42:37 PM
This thread is really building up steam.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: actionshooter on September 02, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.
Epic! I totally missed the build rail in that rig! He gonna run that build for sure now!

It's all part of a bigger system.

Please stop.

My wife wanted to know why I was crying so I showed her this.
Se read it.
Now she thinks I'm an idiot.

At least your wife has a reason.... mine thinks I'm an idiot just cause...    :)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: stlusn30-06 on September 03, 2020, 03:57:27 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.

Sounds gnar. Still trying to understand what kind of furniture the rig build is wearing.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 03, 2020, 04:19:58 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.

Sounds gnar. Still trying to understand what kind of furniture the rig build is wearing.
The rig build does not “wear” furniture sir! It can only “run” furniture.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 03, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
All the Kifaru guys say that I'm dead meat with my Exo.

Probably shouldn't have bought a Tikka.  Would have been better off with a Sako.

Dang, why did I go Sitka?  I should be "running" a Kuiu or Firstlite "system".

Pretty sure I'm just going to stay home now  :'(
How can a guy even “run” a “system” like that? And that tikka cant possibly ever work if it isnt a “build”.  :yike:

Ill leave the high hunt for the experts since i dont have climbing gear and ice axes... all im worthy of is hunting a alfalfa field.   :chuckle:

Bro-
He runs a pic rail and an optic on his build. It's a rig build that he built and runs.

Sounds gnar. Still trying to understand what kind of furniture the rig build is wearing.
The rig build does not “wear” furniture sir! It can only “run” furniture.

Some serious operator stuff right there.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 03, 2020, 06:54:06 PM
Man I had it wrong all along.

I thought the rig wore furniture as built by the builder and the builder ran the rig like he built it.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 03, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
What is this furniture rig build of which you speak? These posts are worthless without pictures.  :dunno:

At least the others had the common decency to poke some fun at my foot fangs suggestion with some pictures.  Haha!  :chuckle:  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 03, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
Sorry. This is Bullblaster all ready to head out on the high hunt. I mean gettin rigged up to operate. I’m pretty sure he runs the camo gloves now. Those black and white ones were a little loud.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200904/9fb85950042288f4de2f15ae2831c065.jpg)
Title: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 03, 2020, 07:30:27 PM
I can’t remember if this is Dan-o or some other rig running operator I saw at the TH.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200904/ebc016faf1727404f9a52b8d8020e4c1.jpg)

Whoever it was, I didn’t see an ice ax so I’m not sure if he made it to camp.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 03, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
I can’t remember if this is Dan-o or some other rig running operator I saw at the TH.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200904/ebc016faf1727404f9a52b8d8020e4c1.jpg)

Whoever it was, I didn’t see an ice ax so I’m not sure if he made it to camp.

Hahahahaha!!!  Oh good Lord...That's some good stuff right there!

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 03, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
Sorry. This is Bullblaster all ready to head out on the high hunt. I mean gettin rigged up to operate. I’m pretty sure he runs the camo gloves now. Those black and white ones were a little loud.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200904/9fb85950042288f4de2f15ae2831c065.jpg)
My ice axe is in my backpack!

Err...uhhh... i run my ice axe in my backpack.

Thats better.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2020, 11:14:56 AM
The original poster is the guy that thinks he owns the forest. His idle PM threats have no backbone like him

Haha!  Okay, so that’s the way it’s going to be?  Easily triggered much?

At no time did I say or infer that I own the forest. Nor did I ever specifically threaten you via PM.  Nor did I tell you to stay out. There are smart ways to hunt public land, and then there are asinine ways to go about it...which you seem to favor.

It’s a mistake to confuse my sincerity with having no backbone.  Friction rubs both ways so just keep trolling that Jiffy-Pop trash-talking and see where it gets you in life.

And about that PM…I was doing my best to be polite and cordial the way I spelled out that the "far flung secret spots" on maps - like the spot in the Napeequa that you've evidently pinned your Hope & Dream Balloons on, is already going to have one of two alternating crews of guys that go in there every year, in addition to the 5-7 other idiots I told you about that invariably stagger in there and mess things up on the opener for a couple days.  Just as there always has been, and most likely always will be.  That's no threat, that's just the facts.

But, by all means, if you and your buddies want to go to all the trouble to hike all the way into that drainage system just to watch us shoot and tag some buck(s) and a bear or two right in front of you, fine...game on...that's your [foolish] prerogative.

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 08, 2020, 11:35:19 AM
 :dunno:


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Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on September 08, 2020, 11:41:44 AM
My buddy hunts it every year and does well.  He doesn't even bring any gear in, leaves the truck with nothing that can't fit in a pocket and just picks up what he needs on the way in from discarded stuff.  Sounds like it's the Oregon trail, people overpack and have to drop gear to make it up high. 

My neighbor goes in deep, way deep.  He actually loads up goats onto horses and when the horses drop from exhaustion, he loads his gear on the goats for the second push.  When the goats drop, he makes the third and final push on foot.  It's not an inexpensive venture!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2020, 11:59:09 AM
My buddy hunts it every year and does well.  He doesn't even bring any gear in, leaves the truck with nothing that can't fit in a pocket and just picks up what he needs on the way in from discarded stuff.  Sounds like it's the Oregon trail, people overpack and have to drop gear to make it up high. 

My neighbor goes in deep, way deep.  He actually loads up goats onto horses and when the horses drop from exhaustion, he loads his gear on the goats for the second push.  When the goats drop, he makes the third and final push on foot.  It's not an inexpensive venture!

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:  The world needs more humor. Good stuff!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Alchase on September 08, 2020, 12:02:50 PM
My buddy hunts it every year and does well.  He doesn't even bring any gear in, leaves the truck with nothing that can't fit in a pocket and just picks up what he needs on the way in from discarded stuff.  Sounds like it's the Oregon trail, people overpack and have to drop gear to make it up high. 

My neighbor goes in deep, way deep.  He actually loads up goats onto horses and when the horses drop from exhaustion, he loads his gear on the goats for the second push.  When the goats drop, he makes the third and final push on foot.  It's not an inexpensive venture!

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:  The world needs more humor. Good stuff!

Does he go in at the top of the Chair Lift as well  :dunno:

Bet it is a pain getting all those critters on the chair lift!  :yike:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on September 08, 2020, 12:07:56 PM
There's one in every crowd.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2020, 12:10:21 PM
There's one in every crowd.

Crowd.  You said it.  ;)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 08, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
My buddy hunts it every year and does well.  He doesn't even bring any gear in, leaves the truck with nothing that can't fit in a pocket and just picks up what he needs on the way in from discarded stuff.  Sounds like it's the Oregon trail, people overpack and have to drop gear to make it up high. 

My neighbor goes in deep, way deep.  He actually loads up goats onto horses and when the horses drop from exhaustion, he loads his gear on the goats for the second push.  When the goats drop, he makes the third and final push on foot.  It's not an inexpensive venture!

A few spots that you can do quick day hunts for high buck. Get a little busy though.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 08, 2020, 01:14:20 PM
Your going to find high hunt successful hunters will spend several days hunting, glassing, etc
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on September 08, 2020, 03:16:49 PM
Your going to find high hunt successful hunters will spend several days hunting, glassing, etc

My time between looking at them and shooting them wasn't all that long.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
Your going to find high hunt successful hunters will spend several days hunting, glassing, etc

My time between looking at them and shooting them wasn't all that long.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Alchase on September 08, 2020, 03:50:52 PM
Your going to find high hunt successful hunters will spend several days hunting, glassing, etc

My time between looking at them and shooting them wasn't all that long.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Very well played Bill W! :tup:

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 08, 2020, 06:24:06 PM
Well Bill if I am going to shoot some camp meat buck and get it hauled out on horses I guess it would be a short time. But that's not what I am after.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2020, 07:15:01 PM
Well Bill if I am going to shoot some camp meat buck and get it hauled out on horses I guess it would be a short time. But that's not what I am after.

Yeah, Bill...instead of skipping to Plan B, some foolish people just prefer to haul a camp meat buck all the way out on their backs.   
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 08, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.



 :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 08, 2020, 07:28:50 PM
What’s wrong with camp meat bucks? Still no pictures.  Y’all could be shooting dink 3 points and toasting over their corpses with fine scotch and Cuban cigars for all we know.  If this is such a honey hole, let’s see some pics. Lots of photo editing software to edit out backgrounds if you fellas feel like you don’t want the hunt wa masses up there. I’ll be honest tho, REI Seattle probably doesn’t have enough crampons in stock to get all of us up there.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 08, 2020, 07:41:24 PM
 :chuckle: right you are!!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.

 :chuckle:

Tune in next week for the exciting season premier!

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bango skank on September 08, 2020, 08:35:45 PM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.



 :chuckle:

Elk hunters just need bigger animals so that they can notice them with their inferior hunting skills.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Alchase on September 08, 2020, 08:38:40 PM
Well Bill if I am going to shoot some camp meat buck and get it hauled out on horses I guess it would be a short time. But that's not what I am after.

You forgot the goats, hello!  :dunno:

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on September 08, 2020, 08:56:44 PM
What’s wrong with camp meat bucks? Still no pictures.  Y’all could be shooting dink 3 points and toasting over their corpses with fine scotch and Cuban cigars for all we know.  If this is such a honey hole, let’s see some pics. Lots of photo editing software to edit out backgrounds if you fellas feel like you don’t want the hunt wa masses up there. I’ll be honest tho, REI Seattle probably doesn’t have enough crampons in stock to get all of us up there.
         

 :yeah: This threads been entertaining but it needs pictures!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on September 09, 2020, 05:40:53 AM
I will be ready to bring home the well earned venison!!! :tup:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: stlusn30-06 on September 09, 2020, 08:36:55 AM
What’s wrong with camp meat bucks? Still no pictures.  Y’all could be shooting dink 3 points and toasting over their corpses with fine scotch and Cuban cigars for all we know.  If this is such a honey hole, let’s see some pics. Lots of photo editing software to edit out backgrounds if you fellas feel like you don’t want the hunt wa masses up there. I’ll be honest tho, REI Seattle probably doesn’t have enough crampons in stock to get all of us up there.
         

 :yeah: This threads been entertaining but it needs pictures!

A buddy of mine took this one. He's a man of proper wit and adventurous spirit. Suited for the mountains. This here's his story. He moved up into the high country in the winter, and met a local up there who showed him how to survive and live off the land. He moved through most of the wilderness areas in the state before finding this in a deep dark hidey hole. That said, he managed to do it all with nothing more than a bear skin coat, a pair of handmade snowshoes, and a trusty horse. Goes to show, if you're determined enough and live for the high hunt, you too can be a "predator". This was some years ago now. He came down for the photo, but quickly returned to the mountains as the low land just wasn't for him anymore. I ran into him once up there in the hills. He complained that WDFW wasn't doing enough to manage predators. That wolves were ruining everything. I told him that I hoped he fared well. Some folks say he's still up there.
(https://gohunt-assets-us-west-2.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/gallery/s3/Giant-fake-world-record-whitetail-buck.jpg?itok=mhY5RPnE)
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 09, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle: friggin’ predator bro
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: HikerHunter on September 09, 2020, 09:38:26 AM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.



 :chuckle:

Elk hunters just need bigger animals so that they can notice them with their inferior hunting skills.

Haha! Although, I thought you were going to say its because they need a bigger target...
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on September 09, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Well Bill if I am going to shoot some camp meat buck and get it hauled out on horses I guess it would be a short time. But that's not what I am after.

maybe you hunt where the little bucks are.  Horses do make it easier. I hauled all mine out in a pack.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on September 09, 2020, 11:09:07 AM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 09, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
wait it will get better when Bushcraft gets back online :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 09, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.

 :chuckle:

Tune in next week for the exciting season premier!

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Hey. Some dude covered in first lite standing on top of Mt Si looking out over the I-90 corridor doesn't count as pictures.

....Next!!!....
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 09, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.



Your recent hunt photographer leaked a few photos from your trip, bro.

.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: HikerHunter on September 09, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.

 :chuckle:

Tune in next week for the exciting season premier!

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Hey. Some dude covered in first lite standing on top of Mt Si looking out over the I-90 corridor doesn't count as pictures.

....Next!!!....

Hmmmmm, now that I look closer, he is glassing straight into the fog...
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on September 09, 2020, 02:39:37 PM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.
   

Me too I’m going to tear it up this weekend  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 09, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.



Your recent hunt photographer leaked a few photos from your trip, bro.

.

That's kind of an uneven layering system he is "running".
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 09, 2020, 02:48:36 PM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.



Your recent hunt photographer leaked a few photos from your trip, bro.

.

That's kind of an uneven layering system he is "running".
:o
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jpmiller on September 09, 2020, 03:05:40 PM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Limhangerslayer on September 09, 2020, 04:13:40 PM
wait it will get better when Bushcraft gets back online :chuckle:
from what I've heard Bushcraft can't hike up a flat hill, and we certainly know he can't shoot!😂
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 09, 2020, 04:29:22 PM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.

What the actual heck does this have to do with running crampons and running custom rig builds?
 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bowhunter3 on September 09, 2020, 04:48:52 PM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.

What the actual heck does this have to do with running crampons and running custom rig builds?

 :chuckle:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on September 09, 2020, 05:29:05 PM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.



Your recent hunt photographer leaked a few photos from your trip, bro.

.

That's kind of an uneven layering system he is "running".
:o

It just looks that way because that pic is from my first post-winter hibernation workout. 

I've cut my BMI way down from there and am back in good shape.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 09, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
I feel like I got into sheep shape just reading this thread.



Your recent hunt photographer leaked a few photos from your trip, bro.

.

That's kind of an uneven layering system he is "running".
:o

It just looks that way because that pic is from my first post-winter hibernation workout. 

I've cut my BMI way down from there and am back in good shape.

Wow talk about a cellulose ass.🤣
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Rob on September 09, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
I think we can all agree that, due to the technical nature of the high buck hunts, they should just be limited to Master Hunters.

Is the hunting reg comment period still open?  I think I will add that comment...  put that little bug in wdfw's ear...
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Rainier10 on September 09, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
This thread is epic.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on September 09, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
All this banter is great and fun but we all know the truth.

Real men hunt elk. Deer is like getting a side order of fries at Burger King. It seems right in the moment but all a guy really wants is the burger.

Anyway.

Carry on with your back country high mountain tough talk.  I'll check back later see who won.

 :chuckle:

Tune in next week for the exciting season premier!

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Hey. Some dude covered in first lite standing on top of Mt Si looking out over the I-90 corridor doesn't count as pictures.

....Next!!!....

Hmmmmm, now that I look closer, he is glassing straight into the fog...

It’s the Swaro system he’s running dude. It’s that good.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jpmiller on September 09, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.

What the actual heck does this have to do with running crampons and running custom rig builds?

That's how the wolves and grizzlies got the deer, cnw outfitted them with crampons and the deer kept slipping and wdfw got them rigs with Ice ax bayonettes for increased efficacy.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on September 09, 2020, 08:59:34 PM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.

What the actual heck does this have to do with running crampons and running custom rig builds?

That's how the wolves and grizzlies got the deer, cnw outfitted them with crampons and the deer kept slipping and wdfw got them rigs with Ice ax bayonettes for increased efficacy.

Really?

You're running the word "efficacy"?
This is the back country.  You need to steep up to at least "efficaciousness".
Personally, this year I'm running the "performance", but when I spike, I'll just run my "capability".
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on September 10, 2020, 05:51:28 AM
wait it will get better when Bushcraft gets back online :chuckle:
from what I've heard Bushcraft can't hike up a flat hill, and we certainly know he can't shoot!😂
Oh he knows every nook and cranny in there just ask him he will tell you so.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jpmiller on September 10, 2020, 06:40:58 AM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.

What the actual heck does this have to do with running crampons and running custom rig builds?

That's how the wolves and grizzlies got the deer, cnw outfitted them with crampons and the deer kept slipping and wdfw got them rigs with Ice ax bayonettes for increased efficacy.

Really?

You're running the word "efficacy"?
This is the back country.  You need to steep up to at least "efficaciousness".
Personally, this year I'm running the "performance", but when I spike, I'll just run my "capability".

Dang it, good thing I won't be up for the high hunt this year. I am clearly not ready for it again  :chuckle: thanks for keeping me from embarrassing myself in the woods like I just did on this board.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 10, 2020, 06:47:33 AM
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that wdfw(olves) partnered with conservation northwest to transplant all the problem Canadian wolves and grizzlys into our wilderness and they ate every last deer up there? Mainstream media and the hunting regs won't mention that! No sense in even going into a wilderness area in the summer, those things will literally eat your face off.

What the actual heck does this have to do with running crampons and running custom rig builds?

That's how the wolves and grizzlies got the deer, cnw outfitted them with crampons and the deer kept slipping and wdfw got them rigs with Ice ax bayonettes for increased efficacy.

Really?

You're running the word "efficacy"?
This is the back country.  You need to steep up to at least "efficaciousness".
Personally, this year I'm running the "performance", but when I spike, I'll just run my "capability".

How does one "steep" up to efficaciousness. And how steep is it. Is it crampon/ ice axe steep. Or steeper like the high hunt.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on September 10, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Man I need to steep up my backcountry vocabulary. I had to look up how to spell efficaciousness? Not sure it’s even right. Wow what a humbling experience I’ve spent a lot of time in Idaho and Montana wilderness but I am clearly not ready for the “high hunt” . Is there some kind of backcountry dictionary I can study? Can I “run” my green woolies up there as long as it’s part of a bigger system? Sounds like I need to build a new rig to run up there? I have just been using a 300 win mag it’s not a build and I use it but I need to learn how to run it as part of some of these bigger systems. Wow I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the pro tips fellas I might have gotten myself killed
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: RockChuck on September 10, 2020, 09:31:34 AM
Wow.... it’s pretty obvious none of you are ready for the “high hunt” probably best to hang it up for the general season until you get your act together!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Onewhohikes on September 11, 2020, 06:06:06 AM
Heading in bright and early tomorrow wish me luck!! LG here we come. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Rob on September 11, 2020, 11:01:58 AM
Heading in bright and early tomorrow wish me luck!! LG here we come. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

SAR has been notified.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 11, 2020, 11:02:37 AM
Heading in bright and early tomorrow wish me luck!! LG here we come. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

SAR has been notified.
:chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 13, 2020, 07:10:34 AM
Heading in bright and early tomorrow wish me luck!! LG here we come. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
You will do just fine :tup:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on September 13, 2020, 02:21:02 PM
I glassed up some guys heading in cross country from my high rim rock perch yesterday. One guy appeared to be carrying his sleeping bag and a gallon of water. His pack must have been filled with other high hunt necessities.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: yakimanoob on September 14, 2020, 02:31:41 PM
I glassed up some guys heading in cross country from my high rim rock perch yesterday. One guy appeared to be carrying his sleeping bag and a gallon of water. His pack must have been filled with other high hunt necessities.

Watching people carry way too much gear may or may not be one of my favorite pasttimes in the back country.  Shadenfreude is alive and well in the darker parts of my mind.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Rob on September 15, 2020, 07:05:43 AM
I glassed up some guys heading in cross country from my high rim rock perch yesterday. One guy appeared to be carrying his sleeping bag and a gallon of water. His pack must have been filled with other high hunt necessities.

Watching people carry way too much gear may or may not be one of my favorite pasttimes in the back country.  Shadenfreude is alive and well in the darker parts of my mind.  :chuckle:

It's almost as good as pulling up a lawn chair at the boat launch on the salmon opener.

I saw a guy carrying a twin mattress down from the necklace valley once....  a full mattress!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on September 15, 2020, 08:05:02 AM
I glassed up some guys heading in cross country from my high rim rock perch yesterday. One guy appeared to be carrying his sleeping bag and a gallon of water. His pack must have been filled with other high hunt necessities.

Watching people carry way too much gear may or may not be one of my favorite pasttimes in the back country.  Shadenfreude is alive and well in the darker parts of my mind.  :chuckle:

It's almost as good as pulling up a lawn chair at the boat launch on the salmon opener.

I saw a guy carrying a twin mattress down from the necklace valley once....  a full mattress!

 :yike:  :chuckle:  Some people just can't get live without the luxuries of home! I bet he slept good anyway.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: HikerHunter on September 15, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
Good for him bringing it back out!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jpmiller on September 15, 2020, 05:21:35 PM
I glassed up some guys heading in cross country from my high rim rock perch yesterday. One guy appeared to be carrying his sleeping bag and a gallon of water. His pack must have been filled with other high hunt necessities.

Watching people carry way too much gear may or may not be one of my favorite pasttimes in the back country.  Shadenfreude is alive and well in the darker parts of my mind.  :chuckle:

It's almost as good as pulling up a lawn chair at the boat launch on the salmon opener.

I saw a guy carrying a twin mattress down from the necklace valley once....  a full mattress!

 :yike:  :chuckle:  Some people just can't get live without the luxuries of home! I bet he slept good anyway.

In my experience the guys who feel they need to bring the most sleep stuff end up sleeping the worst. I bet it was miserable packing that thing in and out and he slept horrible on it.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2020, 05:42:30 PM
I glassed up some guys heading in cross country from my high rim rock perch yesterday. One guy appeared to be carrying his sleeping bag and a gallon of water. His pack must have been filled with other high hunt necessities.

Watching people carry way too much gear may or may not be one of my favorite pasttimes in the back country.  Shadenfreude is alive and well in the darker parts of my mind.  :chuckle:

It's almost as good as pulling up a lawn chair at the boat launch on the salmon opener.

I saw a guy carrying a twin mattress down from the necklace valley once....  a full mattress!

 :yike:  :chuckle:  Some people just can't get live without the luxuries of home! I bet he slept good anyway.

I did, thank you!!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 21, 2020, 07:12:01 AM
Well, I survived without my crampons and ice axe.  Probably would have killed one of those dandy bucks I saw if I had brought them.  Rained a few times.

I think the number one think the OP missed was the smoke.  I didn't see that in his description of high buck.  I now have the lungs of a career smoker. 

Great trip.  Everyone should do it.   :tup:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 21, 2020, 05:27:18 PM
Well, I survived without my crampons and ice axe.  Probably would have killed one of those dandy bucks I saw if I had brought them.  Rained a few times.

I think the number one think the OP missed was the smoke.  I didn't see that in his description of high buck.  I now have the lungs of a career smoker. 

Great trip.  Everyone should do it.   :tup:


:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Yep.  Definitely adding a Smoke Haze Index Toxicity bullet point as a potential factor to consider.

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jackelope on September 21, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Well, I survived without my crampons and ice axe.  Probably would have killed one of those dandy bucks I saw if I had brought them.  Rained a few times.

I think the number one think the OP missed was the smoke.  I didn't see that in his description of high buck.  I now have the lungs of a career smoker. 

Great trip.  Everyone should do it.   :tup:


:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Yep.  Definitely adding a Smoke Haze Index Toxicity bullet point as a potential factor to consider.

Notes added for next year’s thread!?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 21, 2020, 06:45:35 PM
Well, I survived without my crampons and ice axe.  Probably would have killed one of those dandy bucks I saw if I had brought them.  Rained a few times.

I think the number one think the OP missed was the smoke.  I didn't see that in his description of high buck.  I now have the lungs of a career smoker. 

Great trip.  Everyone should do it.   :tup:

Sharpen your pencil...and foot fangs.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Yep.  Definitely adding a Smoke Haze Index Toxicity bullet point as a potential factor to consider.

Notes added for next year’s thread!?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 21, 2020, 06:48:26 PM
I'm surprised you guys let off the oxygen bottles long enough to even notice the smoke.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on September 21, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
The All Seeing Eye of Swarovski Sauron(s) couldn't find anything worth tagging in eleven days of picking apart every inch of the most remote fringes of our muley population's annual migration pattern.  Not gonna lie...~45K+ vertical and accompanying mileage has a tendency to wear a 49-year old guy down. Good to be home with a warm shower and wearing clothes that don't absolutely reek of My Me.

The Hillsound Trail Crampons came in handy when things got wet. Same with the Black Diamond Carbon Whippets.  The Zebra headlamp with Energizer AA Lithiums are always righteous combo in a nighttime death march. Love my Kifaru pack(s), tipi and tarp, sleeping bag and their Lost Park insulated clothing that makes an impromptu bivy mostly worry-free. While initially dubious, the new KUIU Katana rain gear is very, very impressive.  OTOH, their mid-layer Strongfleece Hybrid 280 Full Zip Hoodie is the coldest, bone-chilling soul-sucking POS garbage I've ever worn. It seems to have been uniquely designed by smaller, thin-framed latte sippers who wanted to feel cool and comfortable in desert temps.  There may have been a ceremonial back-to-the-maker fire.   The Scarpas still keep the feet and legs healthy and climbing.  Need to research see-through-smoke optics.  :chuckle:

The [not] anonymous interweb *censored*weasels evidently opted for Plan B or maybe opted to tag the first dink they saw well downstream judging by the stupid amount of panic shooting we heard.  Yeah, admittedly the idiocy got under my skin a bit, but it's probably better that I didn't enjoy his liver with some lava beans with a nice Chianti for dinner under a waning moon cycle.  Just the typical through-hikers that checked the trip off the list, but missed the sights due to the ridiculously thick smoke. (Note to the young guy with the stunningly gorgeous girlfriend that easily kept up with their aggressive Dakobed peak-bagging campaign: Dude...Propose to her immediately!  That sort of DNA is exceedingly rare.  :tup:)

Quietly watched a mature wolverine about 125 yards away before it slipped away to go about its business. Not something one sees everyday in Washington.  Kinda cool to be among maybe a handful or two of living Washingtonians that have experienced that.

The annual to semi-annual vacation was sooooooooo good for the soul.  Ordered a large Harvest Right freeze dryer to better feed it next year.

The General and Late Season are left to go.  The poop-pot stirring has been [mostly] fun folks!!!

Peace out and get out the vote for TRUMP, CULP, FREED, LARKIN, etc.!  Your hunting heritage absolutely depend on it.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 21, 2020, 08:38:27 PM
The All Seeing Eye of Swarovski Sauron(s) couldn't find anything worth tagging in eleven days of picking apart every inch of the most remote fringes of our muley population's annual migration pattern.  Not gonna lie...~45K+ vertical and accompanying mileage has a tendency to wear a 49-year old guy down. Good to be home with a warm shower and wearing clothes that don't absolutely reek of My Me.

The Hillsound Trail Crampons came in handy when things got wet. Same with the Black Diamond Carbon Whippets.  The Zebra headlamp with Energizer AA Lithiums are always righteous combo in a nighttime death march. Love my Kifaru pack(s), tipi and tarp, sleeping bag and their Lost Park insulated clothing that makes an impromptu bivy mostly worry-free. While initially dubious, the new KUIU Katana rain gear is very, very impressive.  OTOH, their mid-layer Strongfleece Hybrid 280 Full Zip Hoodie is the coldest, bone-chilling soul-sucking POS garbage I've ever worn. It seems to have been uniquely designed by smaller, thin-framed latte sippers who wanted to feel cool and comfortable in desert temps.  There may have been a ceremonial back-to-the-maker fire.   The Scarpas still keep the feet and legs healthy and climbing.  Need to research see-through-smoke optics.  :chuckle:

The [not] anonymous interweb *censored*weasels evidently opted for Plan B or maybe opted to tag the first dink they saw well downstream judging by the stupid amount of panic shooting we heard.  Yeah, admittedly the idiocy got under my skin a bit, but it's probably better that I didn't enjoy his liver with some lava beans with a nice Chianti for dinner under a waning moon cycle.  Just the typical through-hikers that checked the trip off the list, but missed the sights due to the ridiculously thick smoke. (Note to the young guy with the stunningly gorgeous girlfriend that easily kept up with their aggressive Dakobed peak-bagging campaign: Dude...Propose to her immediately!  That sort of DNA is exceedingly rare.  :tup:)

Quietly watched a mature wolverine about 125 yards away before it slipped away to go about its business. Not something one sees everyday in Washington.  Kinda cool to be among maybe a handful or two of living Washingtonians that have experienced that.

The annual to semi-annual vacation was sooooooooo good for the soul.  Ordered a large Harvest Right freeze dryer to better feed it next year.

The General and Late Season are left to go.  The poop-pot stirring has been [mostly] fun folks!!!

Peace out and get out the vote for TRUMP, CULP, FREED, LARKIN, etc.!  Your hunting heritage absolutely depend on it.

Don’t forget Sue Kuehl Pederson for public lands commissioner.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: actionshooter on September 21, 2020, 09:03:33 PM


Quietly watched a mature wolverine about 125 yards away before it slipped away to go about its business. Not something one sees everyday in Washington.  Kinda cool to be among maybe a handful or two of living Washingtonians that have experienced that.

   That's an impressive sight  North of Washington also.... lot of outdoorsmen who hunt Canada or Alaska every year will never see one in their lifetime. That totally makes a trip right there!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on October 02, 2020, 07:57:43 PM
You probably went too far in the backcountry, if you see caribou, turn 180 and head back a few miles.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: sjhgraysage on October 05, 2020, 10:09:24 AM
Got the voting stuff in the bag....

Pics of the stunningly gorgeous girlfriend mentioned or it didn't happen!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on October 05, 2020, 08:34:05 PM
You probably went too far in the backcountry, if you see caribou, turn 180 and head back a few miles.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:   Good stuff!

But...as an aside to your point, the idiotic powers-that-be in WDFW and USFWS saw fit to not do a damn thing (in time) to stop the ballooning predator base from eradicating caribou from Washington, perhaps forever.  Sad deal.

People ought to start asking some very pointed questions about how wolverines are making a magical comeback in Washington.  Not that they aren't very cool critters, but I find aspects of them showing up in RNP very, very, very suspect.  Legal reintroductions require VERY extensive and VERY public comment and review opportunities.
 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 06, 2020, 05:36:07 AM
You would relocate from Canada too if you were in their Medical Healthcare plan  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on October 06, 2020, 07:34:05 AM
You would relocate from Canada too if you were in their Medical Healthcare plan  :chuckle:

#TRUTH  :tup:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: JasonG on April 28, 2021, 08:26:35 AM
Trying to get this up and going again!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 28, 2021, 09:22:01 AM
Why?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bareback on April 28, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
Entertainment?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 21, 2021, 02:30:22 PM
Entertainment?

Not at all, stuff like this is seriously serious. Only serious hunters are even allowed.  >:( >:(

On another note since its 2021, here's my girlfriends equipment that she's taking on our first ALW scouting trip! We got the pack weight down to only 95lbs by electing to leave behind the stove. We figured with the fire danger so low recently that we would just cook over a campfire. The winds should keep it cool and stop the fire from getting out of hand.

Excited for this years high country hunt! I've never camped before so I elected for only backpacking 7 days solo instead of the 14 that I heard Aron Snyder talk about on his podcast. I've been running a couple miles a week so I'll be in fine shape I think!!!!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 21, 2021, 02:40:10 PM
Entertainment?

Not at all, stuff like this is seriously serious. Only serious hunters are even allowed.  >:( >:(

On another note since its 2021, here's my girlfriends equipment that she's taking on our first ALW scouting trip! We got the pack weight down to only 95lbs by electing to leave behind the stove. We figured with the fire danger so low recently that we would just cook over a campfire. The winds should keep it cool and stop the fire from getting out of hand.

Excited for this years high country hunt! I've never camped before so I elected for only backpacking 7 days solo instead of the 14 that I heard Aron Snyder talk about on his podcast. I've been running a couple miles a week so I'll be in fine shape I think!!!!

I don’t see any crampons?🤔
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on July 21, 2021, 02:40:36 PM
That’s 45 pounds each?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 21, 2021, 02:57:53 PM
That’s 45 pounds each?

Just her pack! Figured I’d take the heavy one with the crampons.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 21, 2021, 03:20:31 PM
Need more solar chargers.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on July 21, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
I hope this thread takes off again. I’m getting anxiety just thinking about it.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bareback on July 21, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
The skis will come in handy on the scree fields….. and I thought they were only for snow..
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 21, 2021, 07:52:43 PM
The skis will come in handy on the scree fields….. and I thought they were only for snow..

And the ash folds leftover from the wildfires.😉
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bareback on July 21, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
This is a bit of a secret I learned, don’t tell anyone…… don’t use ski wax! Rendered bear fat is the ticket. I can get 2-3 more runs and it works really well for spark suppression. The flash point is much higher.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on July 21, 2021, 08:39:16 PM
This was my high hunt camp last year. Thank God for that ice axe. And my studded 4wd Crocs.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 21, 2021, 09:49:36 PM
This was my high hunt camp last year. Thank God for that ice axe. And my studded 4wd Crocs.
where’d you find the studs for the crocs? :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Caseyd on July 21, 2021, 09:59:59 PM
I recommend the natural 4x4 crocs for spot and stalk  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 22, 2021, 05:18:20 AM
I recommend the natural 4x4 crocs for spot and stalk  :chuckle:

Instead of nails for the studs I used the Iron Will broadheads I run in my self bow system. You never know when you’ll need an extra up there. Plus I’ve had to kick my way out of a pack of wolves up there before. Hopefully this year some high fires will push the wolves down into the bottom of the Methow where there’s no deer anyway  :bash:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on July 22, 2021, 07:51:18 AM
This was my high hunt camp last year. Thank God for that ice axe. And my studded 4wd Crocs.
where’d you find the studs for the crocs? :chuckle:

Took them to Schwab  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: hunter399 on July 22, 2021, 07:54:21 AM
This was my high hunt camp last year. Thank God for that ice axe. And my studded 4wd Crocs.
where’d you find the studs for the crocs? :chuckle:

Took them to Schwab  :chuckle:
OH NO
Did you get free repair,rotation ,ect,
And pay twice the amount of what they are worth.
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: 7mmfan on July 22, 2021, 08:00:59 AM
This was my high hunt camp last year. Thank God for that ice axe. And my studded 4wd Crocs.
where’d you find the studs for the crocs? :chuckle:

Took them to Schwab  :chuckle:
OH NO
Did you get free repair,rotation ,ect,
And pay twice the amount of what they are worth.
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

But I got free popcorn?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on July 22, 2021, 08:09:30 AM
No need for crampons if you hunt the high buck in August.  :twocents:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 22, 2021, 08:09:48 AM
Hunter399,

Your location tag is PERFECT for this thread  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 22, 2021, 08:14:14 AM
No need for crampons if you hunt the high buck in August.  :twocents:

If you're not hunting in a spot that requires crampons then you're probably in a spot that requires tampons  :twocents:

If I had to pick between my crampons and my oxygen tank.... I'd probably just stay home. No need to go in unprepared just to end up dead on the mountain  :bdid:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: hunter399 on July 22, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
I'm just playin with you guys.
Way out of shape these days,so I will just let you guys carry on with the topic.
Just remember when you out walk or climb or whatever, the hunter before you ,that's where the big boys are.
Good luck out there guys!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: phildobaggins on July 22, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
No need for crampons if you hunt the high buck in August.  :twocents:

If you're not hunting in a spot that requires crampons then you're probably in a spot that requires tampons  :twocents:


LMAOOO!!!!!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on July 22, 2021, 11:09:41 AM
No need for crampons if you hunt the high buck in August.  :twocents:

If you're not hunting in a spot that requires crampons then you're probably in a spot that requires tampons  :twocents:

If I had to pick between my crampons and my oxygen tank.... I'd probably just stay home. No need to go in unprepared just to end up dead on the mountain  :bdid:


Somewhere in the world a US Women’s Soccer Player just choked on their hatorade.


Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 22, 2021, 11:13:26 AM
No need for crampons if you hunt the high buck in August.  :twocents:

If you're not hunting in a spot that requires crampons then you're probably in a spot that requires tampons  :twocents:

If I had to pick between my crampons and my oxygen tank.... I'd probably just stay home. No need to go in unprepared just to end up dead on the mountain  :bdid:


Somewhere in the world a US Women’s Soccer Player just choked on their hatorade.

Kinda like how they choked yesterdays game...
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: hunter399 on July 22, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
I know this about as dumb as it gets.
What gmu are the high hunt.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 22, 2021, 03:46:58 PM
The GMU portions that fall in the Wilderness areas that are opened for the HH
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: jstone on July 22, 2021, 04:16:38 PM
I know exactly where that is don’t give out to much information  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: hunter399 on July 22, 2021, 04:59:11 PM
I can look them up 👍
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on July 22, 2021, 05:18:19 PM
I know exactly where that is don’t give out to much information  :chuckle:

No, I know exactly where you’re talking about. There’s no deer up there   :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Stein on July 22, 2021, 06:40:53 PM
If you aren't on your trip already, I would bag it for this year.  No way you can acclimatize for the final push by the time season starts.  Be safe fellow hunters, no deer is worth your lives and that of your porters.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: idaho guy on July 22, 2021, 07:57:19 PM
No need for crampons if you hunt the high buck in August.  :twocents:

If you're not hunting in a spot that requires crampons then you're probably in a spot that requires tampons  :twocents:

If I had to pick between my crampons and my oxygen tank.... I'd probably just stay home. No need to go in unprepared just to end up dead on the mountain  :bdid:
 

What’s your thought on bringing both? Tampons and crampons. Thinking strategically if I can’t man up to get to the high hunt where I need crampons I will still be prepared for the low country with my tampons? Not adding much weight, good idea? I Just like to always have a plan a and plan b type strategy.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: SWHUNTER on July 22, 2021, 08:02:06 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRgik5kgmAk/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Caseyd on July 23, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
If you aren't on your trip already, I would bag it for this year.  No way you can acclimatize for the final push by the time season starts.  Be safe fellow hunters, no deer is worth your lives and that of your porters.

You saying to just hunt c-post  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jingles on July 23, 2021, 04:37:30 PM
Well for those that were planning or anticipating hunting the Paysayten unless you go in from the west side Panther Creek or  from the iron Gate area,, the Cub creek fire has  most access sites closed I.e. Billy Goat, Andrew's Creek, Thirty Mile, Cedar Creek Fire has  Hart's Pass, Robinson Creek closed about only way in the areas normally accessed via thes trail heads would be via the PCT at Rainey Pass, which is going to be one heck of a looooonnnnggg day in the sadlle
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jpmiller on July 23, 2021, 04:53:04 PM
Well for those that were planning or anticipating hunting the Paysayten unless you go in from the west side Panther Creek or  from the iron Gate area,, the Cub creek fire has  most access sites closed I.e. Billy Goat, Andrew's Creek, Thirty Mile, Cedar Creek Fire has  Hart's Pass, Robinson Creek closed about only way in the areas normally accessed via thes trail heads would be via the PCT at Rainey Pass, which is going to be one heck of a looooonnnnggg day in the sadlle

Saddle? Where can I find crampons for my horse?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 23, 2021, 07:21:03 PM
Well for those that were planning or anticipating hunting the Paysayten unless you go in from the west side Panther Creek or  from the iron Gate area,, the Cub creek fire has  most access sites closed I.e. Billy Goat, Andrew's Creek, Thirty Mile, Cedar Creek Fire has  Hart's Pass, Robinson Creek closed about only way in the areas normally accessed via thes trail heads would be via the PCT at Rainey Pass, which is going to be one heck of a looooonnnnggg day in the sadlle

Where does Panther creek come in at?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: MtnMuley on July 23, 2021, 11:30:54 PM
Well for those that were planning or anticipating hunting the Paysayten unless you go in from the west side Panther Creek or  from the iron Gate area,, the Cub creek fire has  most access sites closed I.e. Billy Goat, Andrew's Creek, Thirty Mile, Cedar Creek Fire has  Hart's Pass, Robinson Creek closed about only way in the areas normally accessed via thes trail heads would be via the PCT at Rainey Pass, which is going to be one heck of a looooonnnnggg day in the sadlle

Where does Panther creek come in at?

Panther Creek :chuckle:

Leave from the East Bank parking area and cross the highway into Panther Ck.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: hunter399 on July 24, 2021, 02:30:05 AM
You guys ever see any bears up there in the clouds.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 24, 2021, 06:38:55 AM
You guys ever see any bears up there in the clouds.

Oh boy, the cloud bears are hugeeeee.😉
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Caseyd on July 24, 2021, 11:51:36 AM
You guys ever see any bears up there in the clouds.

Hard to track on the ice. They walk on their toes digging their nails in……..kinda like crampons
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Dan-o on July 24, 2021, 01:47:37 PM
You guys ever see any bears up there in the clouds.

Hard to track on the ice. They walk on their toes digging their nails in……..kinda like crampons

Which explains why you never see bears with tampons.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 24, 2021, 05:23:25 PM
You guys ever see any bears up there in the clouds.

Hard to track on the ice. They walk on their toes digging their nails in……..kinda like crampons

Which explains why you never see bears with tampons.

Rabbitones.😉
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: ian_padron on July 31, 2021, 01:24:32 PM
Entertainment?

Not at all, stuff like this is seriously serious. Only serious hunters are even allowed.  >:( >:(

On another note since its 2021, here's my girlfriends equipment that she's taking on our first ALW scouting trip! We got the pack weight down to only 95lbs by electing to leave behind the stove. We figured with the fire danger so low recently that we would just cook over a campfire. The winds should keep it cool and stop the fire from getting out of hand.

Excited for this years high country hunt! I've never camped before so I elected for only backpacking 7 days solo instead of the 14 that I heard Aron Snyder talk about on his podcast. I've been running a couple miles a week so I'll be in fine shape I think!!!!

Best comment in this entire dumpster fire of a thread by a wide margin LOL
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 31, 2021, 01:54:48 PM
Does the Sitka patterns or the Kuiu patters make me more invisible on the High Hunt?
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Mtnwalker on July 31, 2021, 02:13:22 PM
Does the Sitka patterns or the Kuiu patters make me more invisible on the High Hunt?

Those aren’t for being invisible, those are for being seen… by other hunters  :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: OPtrah on August 03, 2021, 08:25:34 AM
I’m also really excited for my first year of the high hunt! I’ve been E-scouting like crazy and listening to a bunch of podcast. Hanes, Rogan, greentree, and the meat eater guy are my favorite. It’s so awesome how much useful information is out there these days. I’ve been reading through these forums and have found so many good place to hunt it. I love how people are into helping! I’ll be headed into the GPW a few days before the opener and will have plenty of gear stashed up in spider meadows so I can last the whole two weeks. Heard it’s beautiful up there in September. Probably will make a loop over to lake chelan and then back up rock creek. I think some guys have killed bucks in rock but not very many nice ones. Or should I maybe focus on the Entiat? Thought about taking my girlfriends horse up there.Do you guys usually pack out your human waste? I have a 20 gallon garbage sack hopefully that will be big enough to carry everything out, I can always use some of My back up socks. Any recommendations on scouting tips in the field? Should I be walking through the high meadows trying to jump deer and then shoot while they are on the run? If I see other people who get to a area earlier than me should I respect them or continue on doing what I had planned? Welp I’m looking forward to seeing all You guys at Phelps creek TH. Can’t miss me I have a lot of orange and am going to try out a pink/orange camo pattern. I did some research and it looks like deer have a hard time seeing the color pink and that it actually looks more green to them then the color green itself. Let’s all post about our time and experience after this years hunt I’m sure it will
Be memorable!!  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: phildobaggins on August 03, 2021, 08:53:47 AM
I’m also really excited for my first year of the high hunt! I’ve been E-scouting like crazy and listening to a bunch of podcast. Hanes, Rogan, greentree, and the meat eater guy are my favorite. It’s so awesome how much useful information is out there these days. I’ve been reading through these forums and have found so many good place to hunt it. I love how people are into helping! I’ll be headed into the GPW a few days before the opener and will have plenty of gear stashed up in spider meadows so I can last the whole two weeks. Heard it’s beautiful up there in September. Probably will make a loop over to lake chelan and then back up rock creek. I think some guys have killed bucks in rock but not very many nice ones. Or should I maybe focus on the Entiat? Thought about taking my girlfriends horse up there.Do you guys usually pack out your human waste? I have a 20 gallon garbage sack hopefully that will be big enough to carry everything out, I can always use some of My back up socks. Any recommendations on scouting tips in the field? Should I be walking through the high meadows trying to jump deer and then shoot while they are on the run? If I see other people who get to a area earlier than me should I respect them or continue on doing what I had planned? Welp I’m looking forward to seeing all You guys at Phelps creek TH. Can’t miss me I have a lot of orange and am going to try out a pink/orange camo pattern. I did some research and it looks like deer have a hard time seeing the color pink and that it actually looks more green to them then the color green itself. Let’s all post about our time and experience after this years hunt I’m sure it will
Be memorable!!  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Love the enthusiasm and excitement... no offense, but I hope you know what you're doing if you're trying to be out there for two weeks. Your post kinda makes it seem like it's your first time deer hunting. Be safe and make mental notes of the terrain and animals. :hello:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: pickardjw on August 03, 2021, 09:01:40 AM
Whoosh https://imgur.com/G5uv7Jd
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cooltimber on August 03, 2021, 09:38:07 AM
spider meadows is 6 miles in,if i remember .pack horse r aplenty there..I used to head to mt maude..Big bucks and lots room to glass.id head there. after u enter the wilderness area there is a trail to the right ,head up to a basin then north.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Jingles on August 03, 2021, 09:56:57 AM
After spending close to 15 years riding guiding and packing in the high hunt areas can honestly say never packed out human waste, take an etool/shovel dig a deep cat hole (2+ feet deep)at least 100 feet away from any water suppy/source (downhill) and throw a dirt cover over your daily deposits, but do bring out all non organic trash.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on August 03, 2021, 09:58:24 AM
Do you guys usually pack out your human waste? I have a 20 gallon garbage sack hopefully that will be big enough to carry everything out, I can always use some of My back up socks.

...One of my Montana hunting buddies has a similar story from when he took a guy out backpacking as part of a church thing...

The guy couldn't handle it, struggled making it back to the lake and supposedly started "feeling sick" the first night. After a night of him moaning and complaining, they headed down the next morning. Halfway down the trail head this dude says he needs to stop for a break. He stumbles into the brush and my buddy sits on the trail listening to the dude moaning and groaning for the better part of 20 minutes. Finally the guy stumbles back to the trail with a plastic bag and no socks, looks my buddy dead in the eye and whimpers, "Pack it in, Pack it out am I right?"
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: cbond3318 on August 03, 2021, 10:02:48 AM
I’m also really excited for my first year of the high hunt! I’ve been E-scouting like crazy and listening to a bunch of podcast. Hanes, Rogan, greentree, and the meat eater guy are my favorite. It’s so awesome how much useful information is out there these days. I’ve been reading through these forums and have found so many good place to hunt it. I love how people are into helping! I’ll be headed into the GPW a few days before the opener and will have plenty of gear stashed up in spider meadows so I can last the whole two weeks. Heard it’s beautiful up there in September. Probably will make a loop over to lake chelan and then back up rock creek. I think some guys have killed bucks in rock but not very many nice ones. Or should I maybe focus on the Entiat? Thought about taking my girlfriends horse up there.Do you guys usually pack out your human waste? I have a 20 gallon garbage sack hopefully that will be big enough to carry everything out, I can always use some of My back up socks. Any recommendations on scouting tips in the field? Should I be walking through the high meadows trying to jump deer and then shoot while they are on the run? If I see other people who get to a area earlier than me should I respect them or continue on doing what I had planned? Welp I’m looking forward to seeing all You guys at Phelps creek TH. Can’t miss me I have a lot of orange and am going to try out a pink/orange camo pattern. I did some research and it looks like deer have a hard time seeing the color pink and that it actually looks more green to them then the color green itself. Let’s all post about our time and experience after this years hunt I’m sure it will
Be memorable!!  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:


 :chuckle: You have to pack your waste out, 20 gallon bag should be enough but make sure it’s the scented Glad Flex bags, easier to tie around your neck for the pack out.

Remember,

Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Maybach Outdoors on August 03, 2021, 10:07:48 AM
Well for those that were planning or anticipating hunting the Paysayten unless you go in from the west side Panther Creek or  from the iron Gate area,, the Cub creek fire has  most access sites closed I.e. Billy Goat, Andrew's Creek, Thirty Mile, Cedar Creek Fire has  Hart's Pass, Robinson Creek closed about only way in the areas normally accessed via thes trail heads would be via the PCT at Rainey Pass, which is going to be one heck of a looooonnnnggg day in the sadlle

I wonder what these access trailheads are gonna look like come high buck... the ALW and GPW has great access folks :chuckle:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 03, 2021, 10:55:28 AM
Last time I was into Spider Meadows there was a pit toilet.  Should still be there as it was there for the 20 years I hunted there.  One tip I will give is take your gun with you when you use it.  Might find a need.  Don't throw trash in it as the FS doesn't like digging them out.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: OPtrah on August 03, 2021, 11:05:04 AM
I’m also really excited for my first year of the high hunt! I’ve been E-scouting like crazy and listening to a bunch of podcast. Hanes, Rogan, greentree, and the meat eater guy are my favorite. It’s so awesome how much useful information is out there these days. I’ve been reading through these forums and have found so many good place to hunt it. I love how people are into helping! I’ll be headed into the GPW a few days before the opener and will have plenty of gear stashed up in spider meadows so I can last the whole two weeks. Heard it’s beautiful up there in September. Probably will make a loop over to lake chelan and then back up rock creek. I think some guys have killed bucks in rock but not very many nice ones. Or should I maybe focus on the Entiat? Thought about taking my girlfriends horse up there.Do you guys usually pack out your human waste? I have a 20 gallon garbage sack hopefully that will be big enough to carry everything out, I can always use some of My back up socks. Any recommendations on scouting tips in the field? Should I be walking through the high meadows trying to jump deer and then shoot while they are on the run? If I see other people who get to a area earlier than me should I respect them or continue on doing what I had planned? Welp I’m looking forward to seeing all You guys at Phelps creek TH. Can’t miss me I have a lot of orange and am going to try out a pink/orange camo pattern. I did some research and it looks like deer have a hard time seeing the color pink and that it actually looks more green to them then the color green itself. Let’s all post about our time and experience after this years hunt I’m sure it will
Be memorable!!  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:


 :chuckle: You have to pack your waste out, 20 gallon bag should be enough but make sure it’s the scented Glad Flex bags, easier to tie around your neck for the pack out.

Remember,

Ok good that’s the type my girlfriend always buys
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: OPtrah on August 03, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
 :chuckle: Ok ok all kidding aside….


My favorite high buck observation, and this is a true story, was a few years back I watched two guys rolling a deer down the mountainside in the upper Entiat burn. But the kicker is…this deer was cut in half… so two parts to a deer where being rolled down the hill and stopping at every down tree ( there was a lot). Ground was basically ash so you can imagine the dust cloud that was following along. It was truly amazing and I have never seen anything else like it.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 03, 2021, 12:55:04 PM
:chuckle: Ok ok all kidding aside….


My favorite high buck observation, and this is a true story, was a few years back I watched two guys rolling a deer down the mountainside in the upper Entiat burn. But the kicker is…this deer was cut in half… so two parts to a deer where being rolled down the hill and stopping at every down tree ( there was a lot). Ground was basically ash so you can imagine the dust cloud that was following along. It was truly amazing and I have never seen anything else like it.

I saw one being dragged out by two guys.  They shot it over on the Chiwawa basin side and dragged it over the mtns to the Phelps Creek trail.  That was the dirtiest, nastiest looking deer I'd seen and figured all they salvaged from it was the antlers.  It also was cut in half and dragged down the trail.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: OPtrah on August 03, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
:chuckle: Ok ok all kidding aside….


My favorite high buck observation, and this is a true story, was a few years back I watched two guys rolling a deer down the mountainside in the upper Entiat burn. But the kicker is…this deer was cut in half… so two parts to a deer where being rolled down the hill and stopping at every down tree ( there was a lot). Ground was basically ash so you can imagine the dust cloud that was following along. It was truly amazing and I have never seen anything else like it.

I saw one being dragged out by two guys.  They shot it over on the Chiwawa basin side and dragged it over the mtns to the Phelps Creek trail.  That was the dirtiest, nastiest looking deer I'd seen and figured all they salvaged from it was the antlers.  It also was cut in half and dragged down the trail.

That’s gotta be the same guys…sounds identical to what we witnessed. There wouldn’t be two different sets of hunting partners pulling off that maneuver…but, I’ve been wrong before.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bill W on August 03, 2021, 01:11:39 PM
probably different years as my observation was a while ago.
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 03, 2021, 01:11:59 PM
:chuckle: Ok ok all kidding aside….


My favorite high buck observation, and this is a true story, was a few years back I watched two guys rolling a deer down the mountainside in the upper Entiat burn. But the kicker is…this deer was cut in half… so two parts to a deer where being rolled down the hill and stopping at every down tree ( there was a lot). Ground was basically ash so you can imagine the dust cloud that was following along. It was truly amazing and I have never seen anything else like it.

I saw one being dragged out by two guys.  They shot it over on the Chiwawa basin side and dragged it over the mtns to the Phelps Creek trail.  That was the dirtiest, nastiest looking deer I'd seen and figured all they salvaged from it was the antlers.  It also was cut in half and dragged down the trail.

That’s gotta be the same guys…sounds identical to what we witnessed. There wouldn’t be two different sets of hunting partners pulling off that maneuver…but, I’ve been wrong before.
"i don't like deer meat. Its gamey and gross" - Guys dragging deer halves
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Rob on August 03, 2021, 01:46:44 PM
After spending close to 15 years riding guiding and packing in the high hunt areas can honestly say never packed out human waste, take an etool/shovel dig a deep cat hole (2+ feet deep)at least 100 feet away from any water suppy/source (downhill) and throw a dirt cover over your daily deposits, but do bring out all non organic trash.

Not for trips in high country, but if you are doing glacier travel it becomes important.  10 years of climbers on the same route on a glacier makes for a very messy situation if it is not packed out. 
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Bushcraft on August 03, 2021, 07:35:42 PM
Whoosh https://imgur.com/G5uv7Jd

I think I may have peed my pants a little bit.

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Thank Sweet Baby Jesus that there are still people out there that can get/make a joke!
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: predatorG on September 01, 2021, 03:01:28 PM
After spending close to 15 years riding guiding and packing in the high hunt areas can honestly say never packed out human waste, take an etool/shovel dig a deep cat hole (2+ feet deep)at least 100 feet away from any water suppy/source (downhill) and throw a dirt cover over your daily deposits, but do bring out all non organic trash.

Not for trips in high country, but if you are doing glacier travel it becomes important.  10 years of climbers on the same route on a glacier makes for a very messy situation if it is not packed out.

I do my best to pack out not only my waste but any animal waste I see as well for environmental reasons. Last year I shot a 170 in. buck up in ALW, but couldn't pack out any meat other than the tongue and testes due to the large amount of deer and bear scat I was helping remove from the ecosystem. I figured leaving the meat wouldn't be that bad considering that some wolves could probably make a good meal of it. They were here way before me, wouldn't be fair for hunters to be taking all the animals wolves are trying to eat and leaving nothing behind for them  :dunno:
Title: Re: High Buck - Some Observations
Post by: Ronquillo08 on September 01, 2021, 03:09:16 PM
After spending close to 15 years riding guiding and packing in the high hunt areas can honestly say never packed out human waste, take an etool/shovel dig a deep cat hole (2+ feet deep)at least 100 feet away from any water suppy/source (downhill) and throw a dirt cover over your daily deposits, but do bring out all non organic trash.

Not for trips in high country, but if you are doing glacier travel it becomes important.  10 years of climbers on the same route on a glacier makes for a very messy situation if it is not packed out.

I do my best to pack out not only my waste but any animal waste I see as well for environmental reasons. Last year I shot a 170 in. buck up in ALW, but couldn't pack out any meat other than the tongue and testes due to the large amount of deer and bear scat I was helping remove from the ecosystem. I figured leaving the meat wouldn't be that bad considering that some wolves could probably make a good meal of it. They were here way before me, wouldn't be fair for hunters to be taking all the animals wolves are trying to eat and leaving nothing behind for them  :dunno:

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