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Title: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Commando on September 12, 2020, 10:38:18 PM
The wife is wanting to get a English cocker spaniel in the near future. This will be her first field dog. Iím a lab guy so really donít know the first thing about these cockers. Can anyone point me to a few reputable breeders we can start a search around the pnw? Thanks!
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Backstrap on September 13, 2020, 05:40:37 PM
My EFC is from Covey Flush kennels in Florida. Most of their breeders are imported from England, and all have very strong bloodlines. I think there is a breeder in the Portland area, but I donít know anything about them.

They are very happy, gentle, and loving dogs. The are also very energetic, athletic, and have a very high prey drive. Itís amazing how the switch flips when thereís game to be hunted. In the early days, cockers and springers came out of the same litters, with the only determining factor being size.

I think your wife would love an EFC, but they are a serous hunting dog (aka a real handful sometimes) and if she is just looking for a pet, then Iíd recommend a rescue mutt.

Good luck. Letís hear back if you get one...


Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Commando on September 13, 2020, 05:58:08 PM
Thanks for the info! Sheís looking for a dog she can hunt she thought it was the coolest thing when she saw my lab do his thing chasing grouse but she wants her own dog to train and something not as big as a lab. We are pretty active so itíll be pretty active. Thisíll be her first dog she trains to so sheís pretty excited to say the least.  Looks like most of the breeders sheís been looking at donít have something planned for awhile.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: shootem on September 13, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
A Boykin spaniel is another option.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Commando on September 13, 2020, 08:28:00 PM
Iíve been trying to convince her on one of those for awhile and no dice. Iíd love to get a Boykin though
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Backstrap on September 13, 2020, 09:25:36 PM
Covey Flush has a litter hitting the ground 9/29. They are usually pre-sold, but you never know. The size of the litter, and gender/color preferences can result in unsold pups.

Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: hollymaster on September 13, 2020, 09:36:56 PM
Brittany spaniel is another one you could look at.  :tup:
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: ibuyre on September 13, 2020, 10:04:16 PM
My little girl is a English Springier but she's only 41 lb and I think under 40 lb is cocker land.  So she's close. I got her from "gun crazy bird dogs" and she's a amazing dog. Blue moon on hear also has and sometimes breeds Springier's. He knows far more about them and who breeds them than me.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: AspenBud on September 15, 2020, 07:03:46 AM
Juggernaut Gun Dogs in Wisconsin
Ryglen Gun Dogs in Illinois
Field Bred Cockers in Oregon

I also think there is a guide who works at Ruggs Ranch down in Oregon who breeds them.

Given a choice I would take a hard look at Juggernaut and Ryglen. But I am sure there are others.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: jetjockey on September 24, 2020, 08:41:22 AM
Iíd research kennels from the Northern FL to Southern GA quail belt.  Thatís where most of the great cockers come from.  The plantations down there use a ton of them to flush birds from the nasty thickets.  Field bred Cockers are awesome little dogs.  My wifeís parents just got one, and itís a retrieving beast at only 11 weeks old.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: pens fan on September 26, 2020, 05:50:42 AM
Let her see these boykin pups...
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: wildweeds on September 28, 2020, 10:23:17 AM
Oahe kennels, North Dakota, Tom Ness is a very accomplished trailer and breeder of field springers and field cockers. There's a fellow who lives on San Juan Island that is into Field Cockers, his name is Alfred DeFalco.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Lady Grouse hunter on October 05, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
I HATE to say/share this as it is a Flushing dog not a Pointer, You WILL be running like hell to keep up after any dogs flushing any birds! Better be ready to run!
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Lady Grouse hunter on October 05, 2020, 12:26:51 PM
I'd say the 2 on the ground would be a GOOD mellow pup pic!
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: pens fan on October 06, 2020, 12:44:18 AM
You are not the first to make that statement. But my phone was too slow to capture all 8 of them standing up.
Except for one, they were all pretty mellow when being paid attention to. But out in the grass or woods they were all over.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Commando on October 07, 2020, 11:13:15 PM
Thanks for the info guys! We put a deposit down on a litter from field bred cockers in bend Oregon for next summer. The wife is pretty excited!
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Henrydog on October 08, 2020, 05:59:02 AM
I have had Springers for years (very close cousins to cockers)  Both have been very hard hunters (you can train them to hunt close and not run off and chase (I did it with a check cord) and they are great family dogs.  You better have space on the couch they are very affectionate.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Commando on October 08, 2020, 10:18:36 PM
My wife is gonna love the affection from him for sure! Heís gonna be spoiled for sure. My lab isnít gonna like it but heíll get used to it.

Iíve always been a lab guy so Iíve got really no idea how to train a cocker besides the normal yard stuff. Heard theyíre pretty natural in the field and the breeder basically said just get him out in the field and on birds and heíll figure it out. But we will get it all figured out!
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Henrydog on October 09, 2020, 05:39:28 AM
I did some pay to play pheasant just to introduce they to the whole thing.  I have the benefit of several covey's of quail within a mile of the house.  They figure it out really fast.  The biggest hurdle is getting them to slow down and wait for you  when they are hot.

Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Backstrap on October 09, 2020, 07:47:49 AM
My wife is gonna love the affection from him for sure! Heís gonna be spoiled for sure. My lab isnít gonna like it but heíll get used to it.

Iíve always been a lab guy so Iíve got really no idea how to train a cocker besides the normal yard stuff. Heard theyíre pretty natural in the field and the breeder basically said just get him out in the field and on birds and heíll figure it out. But we will get it all figured out!

Congratulations on your upcoming pup.

My boy is a real fireball in the field. Sometimes he gets so wound up he forgets all his training. So Occasionally I have to give him a wake up call with the e-collar. Heís very good at getting birds out of heavy cover, and finding and flushing birds in general. Heís 50/50 on retrieving, and not especially interested in dead birds. He absolutely loves the water. Not scared of anything. He loves killing possum and rats, and has caught more than one salmon in the river.

It took him until around 8 years old to settle down to more of a lab like activity level around the house. He always wants to play and is always happy. He sleeps in our room, and itís never been a problem. Overall, heís a real joy to have in our family, with a fun and addictive personality.

I think youíre in for a real treat! Good luck.
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Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Backstrap on May 14, 2021, 06:43:07 PM
Whatís the puppy prognosis? Iím not a facebook guy, but my wife found a cool facebook page for English Cocker Spaniels - Field Bred Gun Dogs.
Title: Re: English cocker spaniels?
Post by: Soknarf on August 24, 2021, 11:06:55 AM
Congratulations on your dog choice.

I relocated from Ireland to WA last winter with my two cocker boys and we are looking forward to our first US season in the coming weeks.

Depending on what type of hunting you want them to do, the training can be very different to usual US styles.

I dont have an e-collar or tracking on my guys, as they never go more than 30/40 yards in front of me.

They work a quartering pattern back and forth as I walk through a field or along a hedgerow. They contact flush birds, so you do need to be ready to shoot, but in general you will see when they pick up a scent and start working a line.

Definitely look into whistle training as this is the most effective method used in the UK / Ireland. My guys come, sit, and get all direction from different whistle patterns.

Take a look on YouTube for "Nick Ridley" and also look up training for "rough shooting" or "walk up shooting" and you should find some good resources.

My guys are hard working dogs, and I usually spend the evening on the sofa pulling thorns out of them. There isnt a blackberry patch of hedgerow that they will shy away from.

They can be sensitive little souls, so one of my guys reacts well to a firm tone, the other just retreats into himself if you raise your voice.

I will have English cockers for the rest of my days as they are perfect for the style of shooting that I like to do.

If you have any questions, please let me know. I am not an expert by any stretch (only had these guys for 3 years), but I have put in a lot of research and come from the land of this type of dog/hunting.
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