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Title: Is he legal?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 14, 2020, 07:38:05 PM
I like these kind of threads, so here's another one. Do you think either of those small points is an inch?
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Bango skank on September 14, 2020, 07:40:31 PM
No.  When in doubt though, dont shoot
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Buckhunter24 on September 14, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
I think its probably legal, no way I'm gonna pull the trigger and find out though  :hunter:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Dan-o on September 14, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
No on the brow tine.

The other one is a maybe.....  would need another angle.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: full choke on September 14, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
Looks like a stump...        :chuckle:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: h20hunter on September 14, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
100% legal blacktail.  :tup:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Fatherof5 on September 14, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
I would let him walk.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Rainier10 on September 14, 2020, 07:47:01 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 14, 2020, 07:47:11 PM
Not even close to being legal, I think RT Spring could even tell that.😉
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: bobcat on September 14, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
Doesn't look legal to me. Might squeak by after he's dead on the ground and you've got a tape measure. But then who even carries a tape measure while they're hunting? Might be a third legal point there but it might be 15/16ths of an inch and there's no way to know until after he's dead.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: swanderek on September 14, 2020, 07:48:41 PM
Yes thatís a 3x3
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: bobcat on September 14, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
I'd call it a 2x2.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Bango skank on September 14, 2020, 07:50:16 PM
Yes thatís a 3x3

A lot of guys have a generous interpretation of what constitutes an inch
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 14, 2020, 07:50:20 PM
So I shot a buck almost identical to him about 6 years ago and he had like 3 little points that I thought were all about a inch.  NOT one of them was.  The closest was about a 1/8th inch short.  I didn't turn myself in but I didn't hide it either.  I tagged it and ate it and had it hanging in camp.  If questioned by game warden then I would have just explained myself and put myself at his mercy.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 14, 2020, 07:50:47 PM
I had him bedded at 20 yards, let him walk.

Looks like a stump...        :chuckle:

LOL ;)

No on the brow tine.

The other one is a maybe.....  would need another angle.

Funny I was thinking the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Bango skank on September 14, 2020, 07:52:55 PM
I'd call it a 2x2.

Thats because youre calling it what it legally is, not what you want it to be.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Dan-o on September 14, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
I'm seriously not interested in shooting a little buck like that, but he might* be legal.... and that was the question.

 
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: buckfvr on September 14, 2020, 08:02:21 PM
At a glance, no interest, dont care, moving on.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: huntnfmly on September 14, 2020, 08:08:32 PM
Yes on the driver side
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: muleyslayer on September 14, 2020, 08:16:08 PM
No way
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: bobcat on September 14, 2020, 08:18:35 PM
I'd call it a 2x2.

Thats because youre calling it what it legally is, not what you want it to be.

Actually I'd have a hard time calling it a 3x3, even if legally it was. Still looks like a 2x2 even if those little points are an inch long. That's if I killed it. If someone else kills it, let 'em call it whatever they want.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: High Climber on September 14, 2020, 08:21:29 PM
2x3 with an eye guard is what he is, whether legal in your hunting area or not
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Bango skank on September 14, 2020, 08:24:31 PM
2x3 with an eye guard is what he is, whether legal in your hunting area or not

In washington hes legally a 2x2.  Neither of those little pokers is 1" long.  And "eyeguards" are legal points in washington.  They count.  As long as theyre 1".
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: jstone on September 14, 2020, 08:28:17 PM
Nope
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 14, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
The brow tine is slightly pointed toward the camera. Itís close, how big is a deers eye? I think the tine is close to as big as his eye. Too close for comfort so in the field thatís a big nope.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: JakeLand on September 14, 2020, 08:36:08 PM
Dorky forky = not legal
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: High Climber on September 14, 2020, 08:36:51 PM
2x3 with a small eye guard. Thatís an inch
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: dreadi on September 14, 2020, 08:38:02 PM
No Deer Is Illegal

Thatís what weíre supposed to say, right?


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Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Bango skank on September 14, 2020, 08:39:22 PM
. Thatís an inch

Your old lady must tell you this is 6"  ;)
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Stein on September 14, 2020, 08:42:16 PM
I would say 75% chance one point would measure at least 1".  Remember, it's not perpendicular distance, you measure the long side.  (go ahead, insert jokes)

Then again, I'm a big fan of any deer areas so I don't have to make the call.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: High Climber on September 14, 2020, 08:43:43 PM
. Thatís an inch

Your old lady must tell you this is 6"  ;)

Shes actually convinced thats 8Ē    8)
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Bango skank on September 14, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
. Thatís an inch

Your old lady must tell you this is 6"  ;)

Shes actually convinced thats 8Ē    8)

Guess shes a keeper  :tup:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: rtspring on September 14, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
Not even close to being legal, I think RT Spring could even tell that.😉

Ha ha!   
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: bigmacc on September 14, 2020, 09:00:37 PM

They used to distinguish "a point" by the ability to hang a ring on it, wish it was that way now, might keep a lot of bucks from being left to rot after someone tries to say its an inch long from a couple hundred yards away. To close to call on this particular little fella.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: pd on September 14, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
Not even close to being legal, I think RT Spring could even tell that.😉

That was a really entertaining winter.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: bornhunter on September 14, 2020, 09:19:00 PM
. Thatís an inch

Your old lady must tell you this is 6"  ;)

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: pd on September 14, 2020, 09:25:29 PM
. Thatís an inch

Your old lady must tell you this is 6"  ;)

It is if it curves.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: lokidog on September 14, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
 :twocents: A deer's eye is pretty much an inch tall, they are both smaller.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 15, 2020, 04:27:05 AM
Anything that I have to triple check and mull over whether legal or not gets a pass. Not going to shoot.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Mike450r on September 15, 2020, 06:58:03 AM
I would bet at least one of those points is legal but that is with the benefit of looking at the picture for awhile.  No way I make that bet through a scope.  He walks.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Stein on September 15, 2020, 08:12:03 AM
You guys don't think this measurement is an inch?

Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: fowl smacker on September 15, 2020, 08:15:20 AM
I'll answer both questions.  No I don't think either point is an inch.  Yes he is legal where I live.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: gutsnthegrass on September 15, 2020, 08:16:31 AM
I would love for a game warder to chime in on this.  Would the hunter receive a ticket? 
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 15, 2020, 08:27:00 AM
This is why the inch rule is one of the stupidest ones the state has. It should be based on whether you can hang a key ring off of it, which is a much easier judgement call in the field.  As for me I'm passing all day long, the bucks I'm after there isn't a doubt if a point is an inch long or not. 
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: OutHouse on September 15, 2020, 08:29:43 AM
So I shot a buck almost identical to him about 6 years ago and he had like 3 little points that I thought were all about a inch.  NOT one of them was.  The closest was about a 1/8th inch short.  I didn't turn myself in but I didn't hide it either.  I tagged it and ate it and had it hanging in camp.  If questioned by game warden then I would have just explained myself and put myself at his mercy.

Everyone makes mistakes at least you were straight up it about and in any case the statute of limitations has long passed so you're free to confess!   
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 15, 2020, 08:33:00 AM
You guys don't think this measurement is an inch?
thats not where the measurement would be taken. No its not an inch.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Stein on September 15, 2020, 08:35:16 AM
Where would it be taken?  Regs show you measure the length of the long side.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 15, 2020, 08:43:14 AM
While thats correct, from the angle we are looking your line is actually down into the line of the main beam. Its just not a proper angle to accurately show where one would measure from
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Woodchuck on September 15, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
Just not worth the risk.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: LDennis24 on September 15, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
Looks like he has another G3 on his right but you can't see it in the pic well enough. Still not a shooter on the last day, last hour if you ask me. I'd go find a doe.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: HikerHunter on September 15, 2020, 09:49:23 AM
I almost started an exact same thread, but with an elk. I'm not shooting either one.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Tacbeav on September 15, 2020, 09:58:41 AM
To me he is clearly part of the age group the regulations are designed to protect. No way would I shoot (talking east side Muley).
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 15, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
No go on that one
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: emac on September 15, 2020, 11:40:34 AM
No go on that one
But you would look at him for 3 hrs trying to make him legal🤣

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Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Smokey Bear on September 15, 2020, 12:14:03 PM
Too close to tell 100%, but the best part of this thread is that NOCK NOCK is an ethical hunter and passed on him!  Good job.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: archerykraze on September 15, 2020, 12:37:20 PM
He will be for sure during the Nov Special Draw Hunt  :chuckle:. When in doubt, let em walk.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 15, 2020, 01:11:07 PM
I would love for a game warder to chime in on this.  Would the hunter receive a ticket?


From what Ive gleaned over the years from others doings...Ö Most GW prolly would not ticket for shooting this type buck. It does have 2 visible points(1 on each side) that would make the 3rd point. The concern is that may/may not be an inch, but they are very visible. That usually satisfies most GW.


I almost started an exact same thread, but with an elk. I'm not shooting either one.


DO IT,  I feel that a lot of hunters can learn from these type threads...Ö..And they are fun to read all the comments  ;) ;) :chuckle:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: C-Money on September 15, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
Sooo, It would be very hard to have one of my kids who has hunted hard pull off this buck and let him walk. It sure looks legal to me. Regulations are in place for good reason, and I agree with the 3pt min on mule deer. Splitting hairs on this 3x2 is one thing that takes some of the joy out of hunting.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Henrydog on September 15, 2020, 01:29:02 PM


From what Ive gleaned over the years from others doings...Ö Most GW prolly would not ticket for shooting this type buck. It does have 2 visible points(1 on each side) that would make the 3rd point. The concern is that may/may not be an inch, but they are very visible. That usually satisfies most GW.




I am with you on this Nock.  I am not looking at the eyeguard on the right, but it does look like a 3rd point on the left.  That said I would pass simply because I think 4 out 5 GM would say legal...but that is not a chance I would to take.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 15, 2020, 01:47:28 PM
Sooooooo, Does this close up of his R side change anyones mind?  ;)
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: HikerHunter on September 15, 2020, 02:19:19 PM


I almost started an exact same thread, but with an elk. I'm not shooting either one.


DO IT,  I feel that a lot of hunters can learn from these type threads...Ö..And they are fun to read all the comments  ;) ;) :chuckle:

Nock Nock, here it is:
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,253059.0.html
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: dilleytech on September 19, 2020, 10:21:31 AM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 19, 2020, 10:25:12 AM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: dilleytech on September 22, 2020, 11:22:54 AM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.

I have had this discussion with gameys in person. Every gamey will have a slightly different take of course but where a point starts and what makes a point is a little subjective. But if itís within an 1/4 of an inch I would bet the vast majority of the time they will give it to you. And more things can be counted as a point then what some people realize.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Angry Perch on September 22, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.

I have had this discussion with gameys in person. Every gamey will have a slightly different take of course but where a point starts and what makes a point is a little subjective. But if itís within an 1/4 of an inch I would bet the vast majority of the time they will give it to you. And more things can be counted as a point then what some people realize.

Can you elaborate? I always thought the only thing you could count as points were points. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Rainier10 on September 22, 2020, 12:46:53 PM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.

I have had this discussion with gameys in person. Every gamey will have a slightly different take of course but where a point starts and what makes a point is a little subjective. But if itís within an 1/4 of an inch I would bet the vast majority of the time they will give it to you. And more things can be counted as a point then what some people realize.

Can you elaborate? I always thought the only thing you could count as points were points. :chuckle:
My guess is he is talking about burrs around the bases.  Some of those can get to 1".
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: dilleytech on September 22, 2020, 01:00:30 PM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.

I have had this discussion with gameys in person. Every gamey will have a slightly different take of course but where a point starts and what makes a point is a little subjective. But if itís within an 1/4 of an inch I would bet the vast majority of the time they will give it to you. And more things can be counted as a point then what some people realize.

Can you elaborate? I always thought the only thing you could count as points were points. :chuckle:
My guess is he is talking about burrs around the bases.  Some of those can get to 1".

Exactly. Junk around the bases can make the difference between going home with a ticket or a animal.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 22, 2020, 01:16:03 PM
Junk around the bases........sounds like a true spike... :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 22, 2020, 05:14:37 PM
Too close for me.  I passed on an almost identical buck during modern general in the Chiwawa a few years ago, I thought it would more likely than not make 1".  I wasn't trophy hunting, double the length and he'd have gone home with me.  Ended up the only buck i saw that season that might have been legal, no regrets.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: Angry Perch on September 22, 2020, 05:59:01 PM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.

I have had this discussion with gameys in person. Every gamey will have a slightly different take of course but where a point starts and what makes a point is a little subjective. But if itís within an 1/4 of an inch I would bet the vast majority of the time they will give it to you. And more things can be counted as a point then what some people realize.

Can you elaborate? I always thought the only thing you could count as points were points. :chuckle:
My guess is he is talking about burrs around the bases.  Some of those can get to 1".

Exactly. Junk around the bases can make the difference between going home with a ticket or a animal.

I'd say not shooting a questionable deer has a much better chance of going home without a ticket.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: LDennis24 on September 23, 2020, 06:48:30 AM
 :yeah:
Can't say I have ever been that desperate.
Title: Re: Is he legal?
Post by: dilleytech on September 23, 2020, 09:23:09 AM
Those both look at least close enough to satisfy a game warden and I bet they are right at that inch mark. Specially the one on his right side that look to be 2-3 inches.

I wouldnít ever say anything is close enough to satisfy a game warden.

I have had this discussion with gameys in person. Every gamey will have a slightly different take of course but where a point starts and what makes a point is a little subjective. But if itís within an 1/4 of an inch I would bet the vast majority of the time they will give it to you. And more things can be counted as a point then what some people realize.

Can you elaborate? I always thought the only thing you could count as points were points. :chuckle:
My guess is he is talking about burrs around the bases.  Some of those can get to 1".

Exactly. Junk around the bases can make the difference between going home with a ticket or a animal.

I'd say not shooting a questionable deer has a much better chance of going home without a ticket.

Agreed
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