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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: HAGEMANIAC on September 26, 2020, 08:04:27 PM

Title: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on September 26, 2020, 08:04:27 PM
New muzzy this year, Knight Bighorn. They have came a long way from last I hunted with one 20 years ago. Anyone have experience with a ball/bullet starter damaging the polymer tips of Barnes bullets? I bought the Barnes jag for my rod, but I'm worried I may damage the tips getting them started.  Any advice/experience/recommendations for this? Thanks
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: BigGoonTuna on September 26, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
I have a bullet starter, but rarely use it. Itís threaded so you can use one of the Barnes jags if you felt so inclined.

I pretty much always use one of the aftermarket jags on my knight ramrod with any sort of tipped bullets; the threaded hole has a tendency to grab the gummy tips and pull them out of the sabot   :yike:
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: andersonjk4 on September 26, 2020, 09:08:03 PM
 :yeah:

I use a threaded jag designed for the tipped bullets on both my starter and my rod. But be careful, I had one that was supposed to be for tipped bullets but was the wrong shape and would dig into the tips and pull the bullets a little ways out of the sabot. Not good.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: elkboy on September 27, 2020, 08:07:17 PM
One thought related to this topic is changes in the ease with which bullets/sabots can be started in the barrel.  I found, over several years of shooting two of my muzzleloaders, that starting and ramrodding bullets was getting harder and harder.  Sabotloader put me onto J-B Bore Paste, which is a micro-abrasive paste to clean years' worth of hard barrel fouling accumulation from your bore.  It has worked wonders for me, reducing the need to even use a bullet starter (I do have one). 

A small amount of the J-B bore paste should be smeared in the center of a lightly oiled patch, then scoured up and down the barrel about 20 times with a good ramrod or range rod.  Repeat if bore is severely fouled.  Cleanup of the bore is best done with 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Then, finish with your normal bore cleaning operation.  Maybe Sabotloader can correct my memories of the procedure he taught me, but this has worked so well to restore my bores to like they were on day of purchase.  Cheers, -M
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on December 17, 2020, 02:14:52 PM
New muzzy this year, Knight Bighorn. They have came a long way from last I hunted with one 20 years ago. Anyone have experience with a ball/bullet starter damaging the polymer tips of Barnes bullets? I bought the Barnes jag for my rod, but I'm worried I may damage the tips getting them started.  Any advice/experience/recommendations for this? Thanks
I had this issue when i first got started shooting those Barnes bullets in my muzzleloader. Using the right jag immediately fixed the problem and I haven't had any issues since.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: huntnfmly on December 17, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
Same as already mentioned we use the screw on jag for those
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: JakeLand on December 17, 2020, 04:39:51 PM
Use a 5N1 speed loader itís got the starter built in
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 17, 2020, 04:52:15 PM
I shoot Hornady ssts and have never used a bullet starter with them, with that said I had concerns about the tip being damaged while loading. I pushed one out after being loaded and there was zero damage.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: LDennis24 on December 17, 2020, 05:23:40 PM
I use the copper jacketed Hornadys with a red polymer tip and most of the time it comes out with my starter or rod end stuck in the tiny hole. Never affected the shot. Just made it a hollow point
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 17, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
I'm with most the crowd. I use barnes bullets and I run their jag on starter and ram rod.
My new 700 this year has a good open style jag on it so didn't have to add that to that gun, but have done so to all my others.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 18, 2020, 07:10:32 AM
On a related note,  does anyone make a starter jag for polymer tips that also can be used for patches (knurled on the sides so they grab the patch)?  I like to run a few patches down the bore between shots,  in the field.   The Ssts fit so darn tight.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: M_ray on January 06, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
My ram rod was damaging the tips of My TC shockwave bullets.  I use a speed loader with starter and it wasnít pulling them off but the threads left deep scratches in the tip. Never affected my groups but I corrected it by just screwing in a small jag that protects the tips from the threads now.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: jjhunter on January 06, 2021, 08:34:27 PM
I shoot lead powerbelts and donít need a starter.  Let the flogging begin.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 06, 2021, 09:42:30 PM
I shoot lead powerbelts and donít need a starter.  Let the flogging begin.  :chuckle:


So you like syrup with those pancakes :chuckle: Sorry man had to :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: M_ray on January 07, 2021, 11:01:21 AM
I shoot lead powerbelts and donít need a starter.  Let the flogging begin.  :chuckle:


So you like syrup with those pancakes :chuckle: Sorry man had to :chuckle:

He also likes pink hats and rainbow skirts  :chuckle:

JK

In all seriousness if you can get Powerbelts to group, then good for you. I was never happy with the occasional flyer that would be 6 ď off. Could never figure out why but I suspect because they are so easy to load they arenít seated very good in the barrel and therefore you are going to get the occasional tumbling flyer. Never get that with TC shockwaves or knight full lead conicals both have sabots.

Oh also Iím glad I stayed away from them because in Oregon the law is written that your bullet may NOT have a plastic base attached or otherwise.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 07, 2021, 11:34:32 AM
I shoot lead powerbelts and donít need a starter.  Let the flogging begin.  :chuckle:


So you like syrup with those pancakes :chuckle: Sorry man had to :chuckle:

He also likes pink hats and rainbow skirts  :chuckle:

JK

In all seriousness if you can get Powerbelts to group, then good for you. I was never happy with the occasional flyer that would be 6 ď off. Could never figure out why but I suspect because they are so easy to load they arenít seated very good in the barrel and therefore you are going to get the occasional tumbling flyer. Never get that with TC shockwaves or knight full lead conicals both have sabots.

Oh also Iím glad I stayed away from them because in Oregon the law is written that your bullet may NOT have a plastic base attached or otherwise.

Oh that must have been the guy I saw in G wyoming climbing up that cliff after a big old moss back buck! Guy can hunt :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: callturner on January 07, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
Weigh them and you will see why you have flyers
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: M_ray on January 07, 2021, 05:37:26 PM
Weigh them and you will see why you have flyers

Not interested in doing that, no flyers with shockwaves or knights. I bought one pack Of powerbelts tried them then Gave them all away years ago cause the other two group perfect so no need to mess around With anything else.
Title: Re: Bullet Starter Advice
Post by: callturner on January 07, 2021, 07:20:27 PM
I don't have that problem either , I shoot Speer Deep Curls. :IBCOOL: :chuckle: