Hunting Washington Forum

Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: luvmystang67 on October 22, 2020, 11:10:40 AM

Title: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: luvmystang67 on October 22, 2020, 11:10:40 AM
It'll be fun to watch supply and demand in action.  In a typical year I bought an Idaho hunting license, an elk tag, and the archery AND muzzy endorsements.  Their cost increases are significant.  It likely means that I will not be buying an extra wolf, bear, deer or cougar tags as I sometimes dabble in.

Access fee: $10 (same)
License: $153 to $185
Elk Tag: $416 to $652
Archery Endorsement: $20 to $85
Muzzy Endorsement: $20 to 85
Deer Tag: $302 to $352

Death by 1000 cuts.  Not to mention their stupid 3% CC fee for online purchases.

2020 Cost: $10+153+416+20+20 = $619+$19 cc fee is $638 to hunt elk
2021 Cost: $10+185+652+85+85 = $1017+$30 cc fee is $1047 to hunt elk

This is a 65% increase YoY.  The extra $411 is the entire deer tag I might typically buy.  They think that non residents are price insensitive, I guess they'll find out.  Maybe they should've taken more econ classes but supply and demand always holds.

I can almost guarantee that tags will either not sell out or sell out more slowly and that some hunters will look to other states.  It might take a year for uninformed non resident hunters to grasp this change, but non resident hunters are NOT price insensitive as a group.

I love hunting elk every year, but for every one person like me, there's another person who does some math and thinks "At 10% average success rates, or even if I double that and do 20% and get an elk every 5 years, that same $5500 could buy me a pretty good sure-bet landowner tag somewhere and I could just do that every 5 years instead".  As much as we all say it doesn't matter, if you have 5 dry years in Idaho, it is going to be difficult to ignore that you paid over $5k for the privilege. 

BTW, not saying they're wrong to do it.  When you have quotas and tags sell out, then you should be raising prices to maximize your financial gain, thats just good business.  But they're about to see how far they can push it. 
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2020, 11:12:32 AM
They'll still get a ton of WA residents to hunt.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Bango skank on October 22, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
$231.75 for bear and $204.50 for lion now.  Up from $180 per.  Guess if a guy wants to do otc spring bear, it is what it is.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: buckfvr on October 22, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
Theyre O K with the revenue they collect as it is but want the same amount of money with less non res hunters.  Same money, less hunters.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: vandeman17 on October 22, 2020, 11:24:07 AM
I bet there is going to be a good amount of people who are unaware of the increases who go through the purchase process, get to the checkout part, see the total and go  :yike: "what the $#@%". That will be followed up with not buying at that point and then playing mental tennis if they should spend the extra cash and if they do, how they will hide it or explain it to their wife.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Stein on October 22, 2020, 11:24:41 AM
When MT crossed the $1k mark for NR combo licenses there was a thought that there would be significant resistance and what actually happened was there was little to no resistance.  People want to hunt those places and are willing to pay for it.

There will be continued pressure on game departments as states have less money and we further transition to pay to play models where the game departments will eventually be completely self supported.  There are plusses and minuses to that system, but it's without doubt that is the path we have already begun.

Realistically, $1k for a week of entertainment that we look forward to all year isn't out of line from other things even before you factor in that you might come back with half that value in meat.  Go to seven Seahawks games and you will be at least comparable in price.  I think that is the calculation many people are making that buy these tags.  Save $20 a week and I can buy a tag to hunt ID, MT, WY, CO or wherever.

Not everyone can participate, but for those that have the resources, they will continue to pay what the state asks.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 22, 2020, 11:31:15 AM
When MT crossed the $1k mark for NR combo licenses there was a thought that there would be significant resistance and what actually happened was there was little to no resistance.  People want to hunt those places and are willing to pay for it.

There will be continued pressure on game departments as states have less money and we further transition to pay to play models where the game departments will eventually be completely self supported.  There are plusses and minuses to that system, but it's without doubt that is the path we have already begun.

Realistically, $1k for a week of entertainment that we look forward to all year isn't out of line from other things even before you factor in that you might come back with half that value in meat.  Go to seven Seahawks games and you will be at least comparable in price.  I think that is the calculation many people are making that buy these tags.  Save $20 a week and I can buy a tag to hunt ID, MT, WY, CO or wherever.

Not everyone can participate, but for those that have the resources, they will continue to pay what the state asks.
to add to this, ID is just aligning itself with other states price wise. Be mad at ID all you want but your CO elk tag is gonna run you basically the same but a far less quality experience.  The only garbage increases are the muzzy and archery stamps and the 640% increase in youth tags. Absolutely nonsense!
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: vandeman17 on October 22, 2020, 11:32:12 AM
When MT crossed the $1k mark for NR combo licenses there was a thought that there would be significant resistance and what actually happened was there was little to no resistance.  People want to hunt those places and are willing to pay for it.

There will be continued pressure on game departments as states have less money and we further transition to pay to play models where the game departments will eventually be completely self supported.  There are plusses and minuses to that system, but it's without doubt that is the path we have already begun.

Realistically, $1k for a week of entertainment that we look forward to all year isn't out of line from other things even before you factor in that you might come back with half that value in meat.  Go to seven Seahawks games and you will be at least comparable in price.  I think that is the calculation many people are making that buy these tags.  Save $20 a week and I can buy a tag to hunt ID, MT, WY, CO or wherever.

Not everyone can participate, but for those that have the resources, they will continue to pay what the state asks.

I think for a chunk of normal Idaho hunters, they use it as a "cheap" plan B depending on how things go in other states. Also use it as a filler hunt but the increased tag fee might make them second guess it a little if they are also hunting other states.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Bango skank on October 22, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
Nr deer and elk will still sell out im sure.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Stein on October 22, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
When MT crossed the $1k mark for NR combo licenses there was a thought that there would be significant resistance and what actually happened was there was little to no resistance.  People want to hunt those places and are willing to pay for it.

There will be continued pressure on game departments as states have less money and we further transition to pay to play models where the game departments will eventually be completely self supported.  There are plusses and minuses to that system, but it's without doubt that is the path we have already begun.

Realistically, $1k for a week of entertainment that we look forward to all year isn't out of line from other things even before you factor in that you might come back with half that value in meat.  Go to seven Seahawks games and you will be at least comparable in price.  I think that is the calculation many people are making that buy these tags.  Save $20 a week and I can buy a tag to hunt ID, MT, WY, CO or wherever.

Not everyone can participate, but for those that have the resources, they will continue to pay what the state asks.
to add to this, ID is just aligning itself with other states price wise. Be mad at ID all you want but your CO elk tag is gonna run you basically the same but a far less quality experience.  The only garbage increases are the muzzy and archery stamps and the 640% increase in youth tags. Absolutely nonsense!

I agree with the youth tag increases for sure.  It's a predictable game, one state goes a little above the rest and then the next state sees that is working and makes the argument they are cheap and raising makes sense, so they jump a little above, rinse and repeat.

I understand the financial model and don't have a better idea but I would like to see an understanding that hunter recruitment is important and make significant efforts to make it as easy as realistically possible for new hunters, especially young ones.

I saw a similar thing in MT on their discount tags, when big price increases go through, there is yelling and screaming and "why is that person not paying as much?", so the discount gets cut or further restricted so everyone is equally upset.  Human nature is such that as long as everyone is getting kicked in the groin it doesn't feel as bad, you just don't want to see the guy over there not doubled over in pain when you are.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Henrydog on October 22, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
The one thing to remember is IDFG does not get money from the general state fund (like Wa).  Their budget it what they get from Sales and P&R act money only.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Taco280AI on October 22, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Steep increase, wish my income would jump like that.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Apples on October 22, 2020, 01:21:45 PM
No doubt in my mind they will sell out and fast!
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2020, 01:42:29 PM
Theyre O K with the revenue they collect as it is but want the same amount of money with less non res hunters.  Same money, less hunters.
I havent seen any reduction in nonresident quotas. Just increase cost.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 22, 2020, 01:44:10 PM
No doubt in my mind they will sell out and fast!
yep! Western hunting is as popular as ever. This year continued to prove that with record applicants and tag sales across every state and species. 

Took almost 8 months for deer tags to sell out. Anyone who didn't get one wasn't paying attention. I'll be first in line for mine like always.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: highcountry_hunter on October 22, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
Spend the extra money to have a quality hunting experience vs save money by staying at home and see 1/4 the big game you did 15 years ago. Choices
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: theleo on October 22, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
$231.75 for bear and $204.50 for lion now.  Up from $180 per.  Guess if a guy wants to do otc spring bear, it is what it is.
Imagine the sort of money Washington and Oregon could bring in from NR lion hunters if they allowed hounds again...
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2020, 02:15:56 PM
Might skip Idaho next year and go to another state now that their tags are at par.

The cheaper Idaho NR tags was a factor

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: idahohuntr on October 22, 2020, 02:45:08 PM
Theyre O K with the revenue they collect as it is but want the same amount of money with less non res hunters.  Same money, less hunters.
I havent seen any reduction in nonresident quotas. Just increase cost.
They passed a law this year allowing IDFG to limit NR tags to 10% of the historical 5 year average participation for hunts and units that were previously uncapped (*there has always been a total limit to NR Elk tags, but many zones had no specific caps for NRs beyond the total).  I believe this will mostly result in caps on NR A tags for various zones that didn't already have NR limits.  I don't think it will have much effect on deer, given those are statewide.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: elkchaser54 on October 22, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
$81.75 for an archery stamp ... that part hurts the most .

Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: vandeman17 on October 22, 2020, 04:00:23 PM
$81.75 for an archery stamp ... that part hurts the most .

That is just greedy
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: luvmystang67 on October 22, 2020, 05:04:13 PM
$81.75 for an archery stamp ... that part hurts the most .

That is just greedy

I do wonder if this pushes some people away.  Some tags are neat because they offer additional opportunity.  When it was $20 you were like, sure, why not?  Now that its $80, you might have to consider if that 1% success during muzzy is really worth it, or maybe you just buy a rifle-prominent tag and save yourself $80 or $160...

Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: meatwhack on October 22, 2020, 05:13:09 PM
$81.75 for an archery stamp ... that part hurts the most .

That is just greedy

Think of it like a multi season tag. People are happy to pay that much extra in Washington for a multi season tag.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: vandeman17 on October 22, 2020, 05:33:57 PM
$81.75 for an archery stamp ... that part hurts the most .

That is just greedy

Think of it like a multi season tag. People are happy to pay that much extra in Washington for a multi season tag.

Yes but not on top of a 600 dollar tag and also having to travel long distances potentially to hunt. Also a lot of multi season is done for the option of application season
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: actionshooter on October 22, 2020, 09:23:53 PM
 This happened last time and the time before... Every time a state raises their prices people freak out and say they are going to quit or go somewhere else... doesn't matter, if they don't sell out the 1st year after an increase, they will the following year.
This is an expensive hobby, the sad part is what they did with the youth.... that will stop families just because its completely too much to afford for many.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Bango skank on October 22, 2020, 09:39:09 PM
$231.75 for bear and $204.50 for lion now.  Up from $180 per.  Guess if a guy wants to do otc spring bear, it is what it is.
Imagine the sort of money Washington and Oregon could bring in from NR lion hunters if they allowed hounds again...

$185 license + $231.75 tag (full price tag required to hunt non bait / hound units) = $416.75 for a non resident to do an otc spot n stalk bear hunt in idaho.  Contrast that with $222.50 for NR bear license / tag in washington.  and now with our august 1st opener statewide (idaho fall season opens aug 30th), for anybody wanting to do a spot and stalk bear hunt in the lower 48, its a no brainer.  People tend to not even notice washington as non residents, but i do think with our new regs and very reasonable nr bear prices, combined with our healthy bear population and high occurence of color phases, wa should be a destination state for bear hunters.  It just hasnt been noticed yet.  Theres no reason washington shouldnt be selling plenty of non res bear licenses now that the east side is open in august.  Lots of non residents go to idaho, but really our fall season is now better than their spring season.  I imagine people will figure it out soon.  Half the price, more bears, better timing.  Would be a good thing all around if washington saw an influx of nr bear hunters.  May be the one thing that will keep it from being a big draw is the poor hide quality in august.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Go Blue on October 23, 2020, 10:02:51 AM
Idaho will still be cheaper then Oregon. You will still see Washington hunters heading that way.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Stein on October 23, 2020, 10:09:01 AM
$231.75 for bear and $204.50 for lion now.  Up from $180 per.  Guess if a guy wants to do otc spring bear, it is what it is.
Imagine the sort of money Washington and Oregon could bring in from NR lion hunters if they allowed hounds again...

$185 license + $231.75 tag (full price tag required to hunt non bait / hound units) = $416.75 for a non resident to do an otc spot n stalk bear hunt in idaho.  Contrast that with $222.50 for NR bear license / tag in washington.  and now with our august 1st opener statewide (idaho fall season opens aug 30th), for anybody wanting to do a spot and stalk bear hunt in the lower 48, its a no brainer.  People tend to not even notice washington as non residents, but i do think with our new regs and very reasonable nr bear prices, combined with our healthy bear population and high occurence of color phases, wa should be a destination state for bear hunters.  It just hasnt been noticed yet.  Theres no reason washington shouldnt be selling plenty of non res bear licenses now that the east side is open in august.  Lots of non residents go to idaho, but really our fall season is now better than their spring season.  I imagine people will figure it out soon.  Half the price, more bears, better timing.  Would be a good thing all around if washington saw an influx of nr bear hunters.  May be the one thing that will keep it from being a big draw is the poor hide quality in august.

Canada's closed border will help with that.  I think a bunch of people fly/drive right over WA on their way to BC.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
Nobody likes price increases, but Idaho was less than some other states and is now more on par, I fully expect tags to sell out early again.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: vandeman17 on October 23, 2020, 11:16:17 AM
Nobody likes price increases, but Idaho was less than some other states and is now more on par, I fully expect tags to sell out early again.

Being still basically over the counter for majority of the hunts, of course with the quota, will keep people buying tags despite the price increase. It will chase a few off and maybe things won't sell out as fast but they most likely still will  :twocents:
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Onewhohikes on October 23, 2020, 12:47:40 PM
It's a sign of the times unfortunately
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: 2MANY on October 23, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
Double the price and cut the tags available in half immediately.
Please Idaho hurry.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: KFhunter on October 23, 2020, 02:16:50 PM
https://www.facebook.com/363553580669165/videos/1259554687762437/

I seen this, the guy on the ATV calls himself Blacksheep. His trailers are awesome!

I got to looking for those trailers after seeing them all over the place.  I seen this load of 3 elk go by.  1 small rag and two cows looked like at the time.


For those w/o facebook, a screenshot.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201023/0cc430896e2d6ba2e014adf529f81964.jpg)
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: big wood on October 23, 2020, 04:39:17 PM
Good, then I don't have to scramble to get my tags every year
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: SpicyTacos on October 24, 2020, 01:12:10 PM
I can not wait to go to Idaho next year. See you guys there!!!
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: idahohuntr on November 16, 2020, 05:08:41 PM
To limit NR hunters it appears IDFG will require the purchase of a unit specific tag for deer for non-residents next year.  Not final yet - but that is the proposal.  They will look at past NR participation and cap each unit to 10-15% of the five year average.  I'm not sure this will reduce total NR tags all that much, but it will be a big change in that you can only hunt one unit...no more hunting anywhere the season is open, pick your unit and that's it. 
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 16, 2020, 07:50:06 PM
To limit NR hunters it appears IDFG will require the purchase of a unit specific tag for deer for non-residents next year.  Not final yet - but that is the proposal.  They will look at past NR participation and cap each unit to 10-15% of the five year average.  I'm not sure this will reduce total NR tags all that much, but it will be a big change in that you can only hunt one unit...no more hunting anywhere the season is open, pick your unit and that's it.
is this new info or just going off the previously released management proposals? Personally I was hoping they would go to a zone system like elk but im not too tore up about a single region tag
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 16, 2020, 08:05:47 PM
I'm not digging that idea.  :o
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: goosehunter12 on November 16, 2020, 08:18:07 PM
Agree, at least if it were zones like elk that would be better
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: idahohuntr on November 16, 2020, 08:26:49 PM
To limit NR hunters it appears IDFG will require the purchase of a unit specific tag for deer for non-residents next year.  Not final yet - but that is the proposal.  They will look at past NR participation and cap each unit to 10-15% of the five year average.  I'm not sure this will reduce total NR tags all that much, but it will be a big change in that you can only hunt one unit...no more hunting anywhere the season is open, pick your unit and that's it.
is this new info or just going off the previously released management proposals? Personally I was hoping they would go to a zone system like elk but im not too tore up about a single region tag
New information, decision could be made later this week. 

https://idfg.idaho.gov/about/commission/november-quarterly-meeting-commission-0?utm_source=idfg-website&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=home-featured
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: idaho guy on November 16, 2020, 08:28:54 PM
These threads get old. Idaho Finally moved there prices up to other western states cost. That includes the youth prices they are now close to Montana etc. it was overdue and Idaho is still the only good western state with otc tags.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 16, 2020, 08:30:22 PM
To limit NR hunters it appears IDFG will require the purchase of a unit specific tag for deer for non-residents next year.  Not final yet - but that is the proposal.  They will look at past NR participation and cap each unit to 10-15% of the five year average.  I'm not sure this will reduce total NR tags all that much, but it will be a big change in that you can only hunt one unit...no more hunting anywhere the season is open, pick your unit and that's it.
is this new info or just going off the previously released management proposals? Personally I was hoping they would go to a zone system like elk but im not too tore up about a single region tag
New information, decision could be made later this week. 

https://idfg.idaho.gov/about/commission/november-quarterly-meeting-commission-0?utm_source=idfg-website&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=home-featured

   

Thank you. They better figure it out quick. Tags going on sale soon
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 16, 2020, 08:36:51 PM
I'm cool with the price increases... :tup:

Having to choose one unit, not so much. I'm a 2-5 unit a year type of guy spread out over two months some years..I wouldn't be able to o pick just one.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: huntnnw on November 16, 2020, 11:28:04 PM
These threads get old. Idaho Finally moved there prices up to other western states cost. That includes the youth prices they are now close to Montana etc. it was overdue and Idaho is still the only good western state with otc tags.

problem with that is I have seen guys post AZ,NV,NM and UT prices and how ID is now up there with them yet those states quality is FAR superior than ID. Most non residents are not hunting the mentioned states as a OTC opportunity and are playing the point game and drawing great tags. I and others sure as hell are not paying those prices to hunt OTC in those states. Ill gladly pay NV $1,200 knowing what type of hunt is in store. Same with UT when I draw and the hunt I am in for. Not even the same as ID.

The over crowding in ID is a RESIDENT PROBLEM! the same NR cap on tags has been the same for decades! the change is 40k new resident hunters in last 20 years
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: go4steelhd on November 17, 2020, 05:30:14 AM
Idaho is one of the few states that you can go buy a deer and elk tag over the counter. I disagree on the quality. I will say you have to work harder in Idaho than most other states for success. But I have killed a high 170ís or low 180ís buck each year that I have went for the last 5 years or so. I seen two bulls killed this year that were 330 class. One was by two guys from Washington, the other was a 330-340 bull that was killed 200 yards behind me by a resident.
The price change for deer will have little effect on non residents buying a tag. Elk tags jumping to $650 may slow things down for a while.

I hate seeing that non residents will have to pick a unit to go hunt. I have a feeling that will end my hunting in Idaho way faster than the price increase.

The thing that Bothers me the most about it is itís due to residents complaining about non resident pressure. I counted 25 + non resident plates opening morning in unit 39 in 1998. Not much has changed as far as pressure. The only real change is there were deer everywhere then compared to now. They are still there and there are some good ones, but itís a hunt to find them.

Anyways my complaints will change nothing. :dunno:
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: luvmystang67 on November 17, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
These threads get old. Idaho Finally moved there prices up to other western states cost. That includes the youth prices they are now close to Montana etc. it was overdue and Idaho is still the only good western state with otc tags.

You don't have to look at them if they bother you.   :chuckle:

1) Idaho can do whatever it wants.
2) IDFG is fully funded by tag sales.  I think they should just adjust prices every year and eliminate the quota, let supply and demand balance the cost/tag sales to optimize for their objectives.  If they want to sell 12,000 elk tags, they should just manipulate the price so that 12K sell.
3) People who pay the increases don't like it and will whine about it.
4) As previously mentioned, the NR quotas have been in place for quite a while.  There is not some magic increase in NR participation.  There are however a lot of new residents.  :rockin:
5) I do not think Idaho will sell out of tags this year, at least not before they go on sale to residents.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 17, 2020, 10:06:31 AM
In the heaviest non-resident percentage zone Idaho fish and game already has the ability to drop non-resident tags to 10% or from over 500 tags down to 180 and I expect they will scale back a bit but just enough to get the non-res percentage below 30-40% or 3 or 4 times more than the minimum allowed.    Yea I would be ticked if a resident. 

Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Taco280AI on November 17, 2020, 10:07:47 AM

I think they should just adjust prices every year and eliminate the quota, let supply and demand balance the cost/tag sales to optimize for their objectives.  If they want to sell 12,000 elk tags, they should just manipulate the price so that 12K sell.

So you think Idaho should price people out? What if it gets to the point of being $5000 for an elk tag, as an example? Or all the western states. You're fine with that?
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 17, 2020, 10:09:25 AM
If they want to sell 12,000 elk tags, they should just manipulate the price so that 12K sell.

It reads like they don't see the overall quota as much an issue as much as some zones are 50% non-resident and they want to lower that or spread the non-res around. 
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 17, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
Making people pick a unit won't reduce the numbers the way they want. What if you have 5000 non rez pick 10a..

If you want to limit non rez in area's it has to go to draw. Like they did with the late season Frank church hunts.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: idaho guy on November 17, 2020, 12:13:23 PM
These threads get old. Idaho Finally moved there prices up to other western states cost. That includes the youth prices they are now close to Montana etc. it was overdue and Idaho is still the only good western state with otc tags.

problem with that is I have seen guys post AZ,NV,NM and UT prices and how ID is now up there with them yet those states quality is FAR superior than ID. Most non residents are not hunting the mentioned states as a OTC opportunity and are playing the point game and drawing great tags. I and others sure as hell are not paying those prices to hunt OTC in those states. Ill gladly pay NV $1,200 knowing what type of hunt is in store. Same with UT when I draw and the hunt I am in for. Not even the same as ID.

The over crowding in ID is a RESIDENT PROBLEM! the same NR cap on tags has been the same for decades! the change is 40k new resident hunters in last 20 years
 

I agree with you 100 percent the crowding problems is due to new residents. What were capped non residents are now residents and there is no cap on resident tags. I was thinking of Montana prices Idaho is now roughly equal to montana for big game nr combo and youth is also. I haven't ever drawn a quality tag in those states mentioned but if you add up buying the license every year where required and app fees you are paying WAY more than 1200 bucks for a tag. Montana hunting to me you have a  more game than Idaho but I feel like you get better trophy quality in Idaho especially with mule deer. Idaho prices deserve to be at least on par with montana. Price increase was overdue in my opinion but I agree Idahos biggest issue is what to do with all the new residents.         
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: luvmystang67 on November 17, 2020, 12:28:16 PM

I think they should just adjust prices every year and eliminate the quota, let supply and demand balance the cost/tag sales to optimize for their objectives.  If they want to sell 12,000 elk tags, they should just manipulate the price so that 12K sell.

So you think Idaho should price people out? What if it gets to the point of being $5000 for an elk tag, as an example? Or all the western states. You're fine with that?

Couple of things.

1) Yes, generally.
2) Tags in Idaho will eventually be $5k in Idaho for non residents.  In 45 years specifically, if historical inflation repeats itself.
3) I think Idaho should work to maximize total dollars for wildlife management, especially since they're self funded.  If they made tags $5000 dollars tomorrow, contrary to popular resident belief, they would not sell out and likely the revenues from NR tag sales would be below today.  You can see evidence of where the right price point is for them based on historical data.  The $650 elk price point was more than NR were willing to spend for the opportunity in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and maybe 2012 as they did not sell out.  I would argue that they should have priced them lower (and they did, anyone remember the $299 2nd elk tag deal) to get the number of sales they wanted to boost revenues.  Using these data points, the "sell out" price is not $5000, not $4000, and might actually be less than $1000 (guess we'll find out for 2021).  I think the quota system forces decisions by people who may not know what their fall looks like and is unnecessary.  Heck, I'd even be a fan of them doing it like ticket sales... first 2000 tags are only $500, but then the next 2000 are 600, etc until they hit a max cap.  Would you care if they hit their 12,000 objective and made each additional tag $5000 at that point?  That would incentivize people to commit early, but still allow big spenders the opportunity to come last minute.
4) I would argue that WA NR prices are more prohibitive than any western state.  That is clear from the lack of NR interest we receive.  Supply of tags far exceeds demand for them.  The fact that I'm willing to pay $1000 for an Idaho tag, but not $40 for a WA tag helps provide one data point.

Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: 7mmfan on November 17, 2020, 12:30:15 PM
Making people pick a unit won't reduce the numbers the way they want. What if you have 5000 non rez pick 10a..

I'm assuming the unit pick will come with quotas based on non res 5 year avg participation.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 17, 2020, 12:48:01 PM
Making people pick a unit won't reduce the numbers the way they want. What if you have 5000 non rez pick 10a..

I'm assuming the unit pick will come with quotas based on non res 5 year avg participation.

Possibly. I would suspect those numbers are pretty inaccurate though. Hard to say. I guess it depends on how accurately people report the units they hunted. If you get a deer in 10a do people also report they bounced around in 11,10, 8 and 8a.

I know for my group in just in one week we bounced between 3 units this year. I would be willing to bet the average out of state hunter probably does the same.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
Making people pick a unit won't reduce the numbers the way they want. What if you have 5000 non rez pick 10a..

I'm assuming the unit pick will come with quotas based on non res 5 year avg participation.
Correct...and like elk zones some will sell out fast (e.g., 10a), others probably not.  In fact it may lower tag sales if all that's left are marginal units.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: SpicyTacos on November 18, 2020, 06:49:35 AM
This is my first year of attempting to hunt out of state in Idaho hopefully with my 10yr old. I was hoping to bounce around a few units. It will be more challenging trying to figure out what to do. It seems to me the price increase and unit specific choice will weed out newcomers. The guys I have hunted with in the past will typically only go where some family member hunted or some place that a friend or family member has a connection to the land. I want to try something different and it just so happens to be the year things are challenging. This is the first year I have decided a year in advance to hunt out of state.  I was given advice from a hunt wa member to buy tags early in case of sell out.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 18, 2020, 06:53:16 AM
This is my first year of attempting to hunt out of state in Idaho hopefully with my 10yr old. I was hoping to bounce around a few units. It will be more challenging trying to figure out what to do. It seems to me the price increase and unit specific choice will weed out newcomers. The guys I have hunted with in the past will typically only go where some family member hunted or some place that a friend or family member has a connection to the land. I want to try something different and it just so happens to be the year things are challenging. This is the first year I have decided a year in advance to hunt out of state.  I was given advice from a hunt wa member to buy tags early in case of sell out.


Theres critters in every unit. Don't leave animals to find animals. You'll have much better success if you focus on a "smaller" area and just learn that area intimately. 
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Mtnwalker on November 18, 2020, 07:01:48 AM
This is my first year of attempting to hunt out of state in Idaho hopefully with my 10yr old. I was hoping to bounce around a few units. It will be more challenging trying to figure out what to do. It seems to me the price increase and unit specific choice will weed out newcomers. The guys I have hunted with in the past will typically only go where some family member hunted or some place that a friend or family member has a connection to the land. I want to try something different and it just so happens to be the year things are challenging. This is the first year I have decided a year in advance to hunt out of state.  I was given advice from a hunt wa member to buy tags early in case of sell out.


Theres critters in every unit. Don't leave animals to find animals. You'll have much better success if you focus on a "smaller" area and just learn that area intimately.

Exactly what I was about to say. I hunted a new elk tag this year that was good for 3 units and I never made it out of one half of one of the units, and still had lots to learn. Thatís between 3 trips and almost 3 weeks in the unit.
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: bearpaw on November 20, 2020, 09:53:55 AM
I haven't noticed any fewer bookings for my Idaho business for 2021, in fact my bookings are coming in earlier. The price increase in reality brings Idaho up to par of what other states are already charging non-residents.

The new quotas Idaho is considering placing on units is meant to spread out non-resident hunting pressure that has gotten out of hand in some units. The total number of non-resident tags is not changing, but IDFG is trying to lessen the non-resident impact on certain units receiving too much hunting pressure from non-residents and move some of the non-resident hunting pressure to other units not receiving as much pressure. I was told that this should be decided today by the IDFG Commission.



(correction made in second paragraph)

Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: elkboy on November 20, 2020, 11:20:18 AM
I just received the email from IDFG.  It looks like deer hunters will have to pick a specific unit.  I really wish they could have at least allowed hunters to choose from zones, not just single units, perhaps. 
Title: Re: Idaho 2021 Cost Increase for Non Res
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 20, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
New Quota topic

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,255127.msg3455903/topicseen.html#new (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,255127.msg3455903/topicseen.html#new)