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Title: Razor clams
Post by: hhack on November 28, 2020, 09:09:08 PM
Anyone think it’s bs why they are shutting down clamming. Do they publish the toxicity results or is there any independent testing done. Seems weird tribes can still clam and sell clams but the same clams are too toxic for everyone else unless we buy them.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 28, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
Anyone think it’s bs why they are shutting down clamming. Do they publish the toxicity results or is there any independent testing done. Seems weird tribes can still clam and sell clams but the same clams are too toxic for everyone else unless we buy them.

It's not just clams shut down, crabbing on the coast got shut down too. I heard they were tested at 40 parts per million and 20 parts per million is the cutoff.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: blackpowderhunter on November 30, 2020, 11:24:47 AM
also it wasnt that all beaches tested high, just a few.
they shut down all of them in order to avoid everyone concentrating to one or two open areas is what i heard.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: ballpark on November 30, 2020, 11:45:19 AM
https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/eh/portal/odw/si/BiotoxinBulletin.aspx
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on November 30, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
also it wasnt that all beaches tested high, just a few.
they shut down all of them in order to avoid everyone concentrating to one or two open areas is what i heard.

I think it started like that but then the toxin levels spiked pretty much everywhere so it would have been shut either way.  I don't think it would be a great idea to open only one beach.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on November 30, 2020, 12:13:58 PM
Here are recent reports, 5/6 beaches are over the limit, 4/6 really over the limit.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/basics/domoic-acid/levels
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on November 30, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Glad you asked hhack, I almost posted the same question.  I've never seen so many and so long of closures from this toxin.  I want my damn clams!! 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on November 30, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
Dang, we're 4 for 4 of shut out clam trips going back to the spring.  Our next hope is the 12th start.  The tribes might have got 'em all by then.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: bobcat on November 30, 2020, 01:44:07 PM
We went in September and it was the best digging ever. One thing I know is it's going to be awesome digging again due to all the closures since the last time we went. Looking forward to the next open season.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Igottanewknee on November 30, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
Well, on the up side, the clams will be bigger.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on November 30, 2020, 01:51:11 PM
Yeah, WDFW has been saying the survival rate has been awesome, tons of clams everywhere, now if we can just eat them without getting paralyzed and dying it would be a huge bonus.  We were all lined up to go, had to cancel and lose a bit of money in the process, but it will happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 30, 2020, 02:49:15 PM
Here are recent reports, 5/6 beaches are over the limit, 4/6 really over the limit.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/basics/domoic-acid/levels

The 6th, Willapa Spits, inside Willapa Bay, they don't seem to be reporting. The last report from there was on July 13, well before this incident. But I heard when this started, the worst of the bloom was inside of Willapa Bay. Not sure why they aren't reporting it, but it is basically a commercial beach that is dug for crab bait. So maybe they are putting all their effort into the ocean beaches where the sport digging takes place.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 04, 2020, 07:49:42 AM
Well, it's official, all of December is gone:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/shellfishing-regulations/razor-clams#current

5 for 5 now for us since March.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on December 04, 2020, 01:17:49 PM
Yeah, that's bad news for sure.  The only bright spot, if you call it that, is that it is for legit reasons and I don't have to get all riled up about them using COVID as a reason to shut it down.

Then again, Copalis, Mocrocks and Kalaloch are headed down dramatically and not too far above the limit, so who knows. 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: 2MANY on December 04, 2020, 01:34:28 PM
You believe what they say?

HHhhhmmmmm.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: kisfish on December 04, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
I live on the bay and can tell you steamer clams, oysters, or crab never got shut down on the bay all year. Maybe it only effects razors??? :dunno:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on December 04, 2020, 03:23:40 PM
I think MA 2 crab was shut this year from it, might be wrong.

From my understanding the beach is what is closed, not necessarily the razors specifically.  No shellfish harvest of any kind on biotoxin closed beaches.

There was also a covid close for razors, but that’s different from the biotoxin.  I think that was specifically razors, but again not 100% sure.


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Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 04, 2020, 04:15:07 PM
I live on the bay and can tell you steamer clams, oysters, or crab never got shut down on the bay all year. Maybe it only effects razors??? :dunno:

It’s all closed right now.  Even crab on the mid coast.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: ThurstonCokid on December 04, 2020, 04:27:31 PM
You believe what they say?

HHhhhmmmmm.
I did the first closure. I’m not really sold now that it’s continued. What do i know..


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Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: kisfish on December 04, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
Willapa bay is open right now. . Washington dept of health shellfish maps will show you it's open.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 04, 2020, 04:33:03 PM
https://www.knkx.org/post/economy-traditions-suffer-toxic-algae-shuts-down-clamming-washington-coast
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: kisfish on December 04, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
  https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/biotoxin/biotoxin.html

tons of boats going out everyday with pots, bringing back crab  and also digging steamer clams. Willapa bay is in pacific county with the green open area. 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on December 04, 2020, 06:06:44 PM
I guess it's possible there is toxin north and south of the bay, but not in the bay itself.  Seems strange, but I'm not a biologist.  The article above did say the wind sometimes pushes the toxin offshore, so maybe the bay is somewhat protected.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: CastleRocker on December 04, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
I've always been just a little skeptical about these domoic acid closures.  It just seems to me that these closures really started after 2011.  There were a few long closures before before that, but it just never seemed like they blamed red tide like they do now.  We had blooms in Alaska when I lived there, but it was ALWAYS in the summer, and in the bays where water temps were higher, and never on an open ocean beach. 

I'm sure these closures are for the health of the public, but I just can't help but wonder if the ocean currents didn't bring a bunch of the contamination from Fukushima over here.  It would be nice to know for sure...
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 04, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Canceling a whole month is suspect.

They should be testing every couple of days if toxin's are the real reason for the closures.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Lucky1 on December 04, 2020, 09:23:49 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all that we are being lied to. It would be interesting to see some independent testing done. I guess that would be illegal because we are not allowed to dig clams to test them.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 04, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
Be curious if the tribe's will dig this month. My money says yes.
 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: opdinkslayer on December 04, 2020, 10:21:49 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all that we are being lied to. It would be interesting to see some independent testing done. I guess that would be illegal because we are not allowed to dig clams to test them.

Gee what in this day & age would lead you to that idea? :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 04, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all that we are being lied to. It would be interesting to see some independent testing done. I guess that would be illegal because we are not allowed to dig clams to test them.

Gee what in this day & age would lead you to that idea? :dunno: :chuckle:

The Quinaults have a biologist working on this and she verifies the findings. I doubt the Quinaults would be shut down if there were some other reason they didn't want us digging.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2020, 12:45:03 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all that we are being lied to. It would be interesting to see some independent testing done. I guess that would be illegal because we are not allowed to dig clams to test them.

Gee what in this day & age would lead you to that idea? :dunno: :chuckle:

The Quinaults have a biologist working on this and she verifies the findings. I doubt the Quinaults would be shut down if there were some other reason they didn't want us digging.

 Thanks SB :tup:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: CaNINE on January 02, 2021, 10:05:18 AM
What are the chances of seeing some digs in Jan and Feb?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: HntnFsh on January 02, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
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Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 02, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
I have a suspicion we won't get any digs until maybe next fall.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 02, 2021, 11:48:01 AM
There was some good news on the last testing on the 28th.  Long Beach and Mocrocks are at or below the line and Copalis and Twin Harbors are just above.  I would say late January would be the first digs, but that's just a hope.  There are some decent tides around next weekend but I fear it's too late for those now.  I'm not holding my breath for any digs anytime soon though.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WSU on January 02, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
I sure hope so. I need to find something to get the family out and about
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on January 02, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
Wow, it sure came down fast, hopefully it stays that way.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: hunthard on January 02, 2021, 06:40:36 PM
I always thought the big storms on the coast, like the one we are having today really helped out, I almost believe they are skewing the numbers so they won't have a big group of people gathering and possibly spreading covid.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 02, 2021, 07:40:39 PM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: hhack on January 02, 2021, 10:41:46 PM
https://www.newsbreak.com/washington/quinault/news/2137255634158/quinault-tribe-recalling-nearly-29-tons-of-dungeness-crab


Hell of a coincidence. This state is owned by the tribes.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: huntnphool on January 02, 2021, 11:14:09 PM
https://www.newsbreak.com/washington/quinault/news/2137255634158/quinault-tribe-recalling-nearly-29-tons-of-dungeness-crab


Hell of a coincidence. This state is owned by the tribes.

 They caught 29 tons of dungees in 6 days, and we get to go crabbing how often? Are they farming them? :dunno:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on January 05, 2021, 02:06:11 PM
I would say near zero chance of a dig this winter.  We have the toxin hurdle and the COVID hurdle.  Digs on safe beaches were cancelled with far less COVID than we have now, so I don't see Olympia giving the green light.  Hope I'm wrong though, we are down to one package of chowder in the freezer and I have to wait for the family to leave the house for a little while so I don't have to share.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: CaNINE on January 05, 2021, 04:55:22 PM
Yeah was really hoping to get out there are put some clams in the freezer this winter.  I heard something on KIRO radio about additional acid testing being performed this week? 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 05, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
I always thought the big storms on the coast, like the one we are having today really helped out, I almost believe they are skewing the numbers so they won't have a big group of people gathering and possibly spreading covid.
There's a few others that wondered if something like that is going on.  For fish too...say they are under on counts to close down for rona and save face.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Big6bull on January 05, 2021, 06:50:25 PM
Seems like the toxins mysteriously disappear when it gets to the Oregon coast too
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on January 05, 2021, 06:51:52 PM
Oregon is farther from the Seattle sewage system, but closer to the Willamette, so I'm at a loss.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Tbar on January 05, 2021, 07:03:27 PM
https://www.newsbreak.com/washington/quinault/news/2137255634158/quinault-tribe-recalling-nearly-29-tons-of-dungeness-crab


Hell of a coincidence. This state is owned by the tribes.

 They caught 29 tons of dungees in 6 days, and we get to go crabbing how often? Are they farming them? :dunno:
Year round with rings?   December 1st through September 15th with pots? :dunno:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on January 05, 2021, 07:05:23 PM
50/50 split tribal and non tribal I believe.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 08, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
"WDFW is continuing to sample razor clams on a regular basis and will announce razor clam harvest dates when domoic acid levels drop on all beaches and the Washington Department of Health determines the clams are safe to eat."

Looks like they're waiting for all the beaches to be below the "death to clammers" levels to open anything. 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: 2MANY on January 08, 2021, 10:46:44 AM
Such a bunch of crap.

WDFW sells fishing and clamming licenses prior to cancelling or severely limiting opportunities.
It's BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They should prorate our loss of opportunity cost based on what they originally sold us on day one.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Bullkllr on January 08, 2021, 10:51:49 AM
"Opportunity"= buying a license

Anything else is purely gratuitous icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 13, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
New D. acid levels posted today.  All beaches have skyrocketed.  Shocking.  It looks like multiple readings on a couple beaches that vary wildly. I'm guessing late Feb. at the earliest now.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on January 18, 2021, 01:14:25 PM
Mark Yuasa posted earlier today that WDFW made a deal with the coast local governments that they wouldn't open razors unless every beach was safe to ensure people didn't all go to one place.  I'll refrain from commenting on the logic there.

The takeaway is that if a single beach is at 20 or above, no bueno.

He also mentioned it takes two tests spaced 10 days apart below 20 ppm for the health department to sign off.  I wasn't aware of the exact procedure.

On a good note, it sounds like the water is clean, we are just waiting for the clams to detox, which sounds like sometimes takes a while.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: CaNINE on January 18, 2021, 03:52:10 PM
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 18, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
One thing that has concerned me is that the entire coast of Oregon was shut down Jan. 7th and the ODW recommended not eating any razors dug after Nov. 16th.  Also, it looks like BC is in the same situation (if I deciphered their websites correctly).  Hoping late February now.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on February 09, 2021, 05:30:54 PM
Keep in mind there is NO CURE once you eat toxic clams. Read up on how the blooms work and the results if you eat them. Really not good. They need to be careful.
I have also polled people that express doubt about COVID, but have yet to find ONE that was volunteering at a hospital to help out. Because, you know, it is all fake news...
They will open, and the digging will produce a wonderful bounty. Not the first bloom and won’t be the last. Milder water temps are one of the big issues.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: ribka on February 09, 2021, 06:04:07 PM
Keep in mind there is NO CURE once you eat toxic clams. Read up on how the blooms work and the results if you eat them. Really not good. They need to be careful.
I have also polled people that express doubt about COVID, but have yet to find ONE that was volunteering at a hospital to help out. Because, you know, it is all fake news...
They will open, and the digging will produce a wonderful bounty. Not the first bloom and won’t be the last. Milder water temps are one of the big issues.

I just got over Covid and donated my blood for anti bodies and I have been helping in nursing homes and hospitals.  It was just a bad head cold for me. Continue the hysteria  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on February 13, 2021, 12:42:22 PM
Glad you came out Ok!
Have a guy at work that was not careful and infected all of his family at a birthday party. Two died (older) and one was on a ventilator as of this writing. So he has that memory to deal with. Not everybody gets hit the same. True with all diseases.
Congratulations on being the first person I have heard of helping in the hospitals! I just did a 'double platelet' donation on the new 'mini' machine!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: pnwbestlife on February 22, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
Another update of the razor clam toxins on the WDFW website as of Feb 8th:

Twin Harbors jumped from 30 to 49 ppm
Long Beach went from 22 to 56 ppm
Copalis had 3 readings of 50, 28 and 23ppm compared to 27,32 and 49ppm on Jan 28th
Mocrocks was 19, 20 and 34

There should be another update soon, but...It's not looking good for a razor clam season this spring. Wish it was better news.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 22, 2021, 11:18:41 AM
Yeah, I've pretty much written it off but hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2021, 11:43:48 AM
Well I hate to speculate...

But I've been digging razors for 30 years in this state and don't ever remember a period this long with high toxin's.. they've been testing since when, late 80s early 90s if I recall...

I kinda wish they would just come out and say we don't want thousands of people flooding our coastal towns.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2021, 11:52:32 AM
Well I hate to speculate...

But I've been digging razors for 30 years in this state and don't ever remember a period this long with high toxin's.. they've been testing since when, late 80s early 90s if I recall...

I kinda wish they would just come out and say we don't want thousands of people flooding our coastal towns.
100% agree and the same!!!!   Let’s pretend they aren’t flat out lying to us, and those toxin numbers were real.  with this length and level of bacteria, would you feel safe eating them this year??   #FAKEAZZNEWS
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 22, 2021, 12:02:15 PM
Go back through the thread, several times it was high for a long time. 

As for the tinfoil hat stuff, well, I suppose someone could always take their own sample and pay a lab to do the testing.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Encore 280 on February 22, 2021, 12:08:19 PM
I thought of doing the sample and lab thing once but found out you'd be poaching and the lab would be in possession of poached shell fish so then you'd both be in deep doodoo.  :bash:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2021, 12:17:04 PM
Go back through the thread, several times it was high for a long time. 

As for the tinfoil hat stuff, well, I suppose someone could always take their own sample and pay a lab to do the testing.
Well, I don't remember it being like this ever.  I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Encore 280 on February 22, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Wondering if the Quinaults are digging at all and what are the crabbers using for bait if no clamming is allowed? I guess razors are the preferred bait for dungies. :dunno:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 22, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
I didn't know razors were preferred bait. Why don't they use horse clams or some other nasty clam
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: KNOPHISH on February 22, 2021, 01:04:22 PM
I’m calling fake news pants on fire too.  :yeah:  I got a new clamhawg that’s just sitting there unemployed waiting to go to work.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2021, 01:04:59 PM
Go back through the thread, several times it was high for a long time. 

As for the tinfoil hat stuff, well, I suppose someone could always take their own sample and pay a lab to do the testing.

I remember years of two to three months.  But we are set up for a full season closure. Now..I could be wrong..but my beat up wore out old memory bank can't find a time when we lost a whole season..
I don't see it as tinfoil stuff.... just observation derived from a year of misleading info in general.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 22, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
Well if it is toxins as they say. If my memory is correct didn't the toxins crop up more so when there is warm weather when the water is warmer? Or is this a totally different toxin?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 22, 2021, 01:31:47 PM
Go back through the thread, several times it was high for a long time. 

As for the tinfoil hat stuff, well, I suppose someone could always take their own sample and pay a lab to do the testing.

I remember years of two to three months.  But we are set up for a full season closure. Now..I could be wrong..but my beat up wore out old memory bank can't find a time when we lost a whole season..
I don't see it as tinfoil stuff.... just observation derived from a year of misleading info in general.

Three complete seasons have been lost in the past - 91/2, 97/8 and 02/03.  Kalaloch lost most of the season in 04.  The toxin was discovered in 91, so obviously no closures before that.  Other closures happened in 05, 15, 16 and 17, maybe more as I'm not an expert or historian.

I don't think we know much about it, WDFW biologists think warmer temps contribute to it but it has occurred during periods of cooling after the "blob", so who knows.

All I know is it sucks.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2021, 01:38:10 PM
Like fishandgamereaper said, we’ve been lied to too much this year to believe anything from the gov.  I just want some fresh damn razor clams!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: huntnphool on February 22, 2021, 01:39:05 PM
Like fishandgamereaper said, we’ve been lied to too much this year to believe anything from the gov.  I just want some fresh damn razor clams!
+1
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
It does suck for sure...

Guess I'm just trying to make sense of it all. Especially with the rec crab closure on the coast for high toxins...but the commies are good to go... :dunno:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 22, 2021, 01:46:18 PM
If the question is whether WDFW is intentionally closing the season and losing out on the sale of tens of thousands of razor clam licenses, well that would be interesting on their part.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Fishmaker57 on February 22, 2021, 01:54:15 PM
Not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but do you actually believe governor Dimsley would allow that kind of gathering in the world of Covid and lockdowns? Way too high of a concentration of people in hotels, stores, gas stations, and on the beach.....

 :twocents:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 22, 2021, 01:57:23 PM
Unfortunately it's looking less and less likely we will find out.  The other question is what the coastal health departments would do, they are the ones that stopped the digs last spring.  I'm guessing the local businesses might have more of a voice this time around if given the opportunity.

I bet a FOI request could get copies of the lab reports if anyone is interested in the paper trail.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Encore 280 on February 22, 2021, 03:13:24 PM
I didn't know razors were preferred bait. Why don't they use horse clams or some other nasty clam

I bet it would make you scream like a girl if you saw the amount of razors used for commercial dungie bait.  :chuckle:
It's a sin!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 22, 2021, 03:16:03 PM
It’s amazing how people fall for conspiracy theories when it suits their interests.  Clams and Crab are closed because of domoic acid levels.  Not because of gatherings.
I would much prefer we would use a leave it open when safe to do so type of season setting like Oregon and Canada, instead of planned announced digs.
The announced digs lead to big crowds and a assumption by the public that the beach is safe to go out in bad weather at night.  A couple of years ago two incidents occurred where people lost their lives. 
Beaches should always be open when safe and their is enough clams to spread out the effort and people can go when the weather suits them.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2021, 03:27:30 PM
..ok.... we’ll believe them on this, but most of everything else they say is bs.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Parasite on February 22, 2021, 03:43:10 PM
I think all the naysayers on this thread should go out, say "screw the government", dig some clams after dark, take one for the team and eat them all, and report back in a few days if they were toxic or not.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2021, 03:59:26 PM
It’s amazing how people fall for conspiracy theories when it suits their interests.  Clams and Crab are closed because of domoic acid levels.  Not because of gatherings.
I would much prefer we would use a leave it open when safe to do so type of season setting like Oregon and Canada, instead of planned announced digs.
The announced digs lead to big crowds and a assumption by the public that the beach is safe to go out in bad weather at night.  A couple of years ago two incidents occurred where people lost their lives. 
Beaches should always be open when safe and their is enough clams to spread out the effort and people can go when the weather suits them.  :twocents:


Commie's are crabbing...so it's either not that bad or....?

Oh that's right...us sport guys don't know how to properly care for toxic crab like the commie guys do.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 22, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
That’s what they think!  Commie Crabbing is open under a eviceration order.  Wdfw says recreational crabbers are too dumb to clean their crab before cooking. 
Yet for non native crawfish it is required to kill them or cook them on the water.  I guess we are smart enough to do that. Or are we? :bash:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Loup Loup on February 22, 2021, 05:35:49 PM
Around here kids are taught at a young age to not eat boogers, or bug guts. Dont know if thats done in Olympia.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on February 24, 2021, 11:48:36 PM
That’s what they think!  Commie Crabbing is open under a eviceration order.  Wdfw says recreational crabbers are too dumb to clean their crab before cooking. 
Yet for non native crawfish it is required to kill them or cook them on the water.  I guess we are smart enough to do that. Or are we? :bash:

I believe you would find they process their food differently from crab or clams. It makes a difference. Right now you can go dig sand shrimp and eat them if you are so inclined. They recommend not eating the fat or brains, but I think they always say that. 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2021, 05:52:39 AM
Around here kids are taught at a young age to not eat boogers, or bug guts. Dont know if thats done in Olympia.
Last I checked I never saw a class on it.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 25, 2021, 07:12:14 AM
Sounds like the toxin's oddly enough got low enough in the last few days to open up crabbing...per wdfw.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WSU on February 25, 2021, 07:17:47 AM
Sounds like the toxin's oddly enough got low enough in the last few days to open up crabbing...per wdfw.

It’s magic.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 25, 2021, 07:36:08 AM
I'm no biologist, but it seems that a filter feeding clam and meat eating crab might have different levels?  Could be they sample both creatures and crabs have low enough levels?

If WDFW opens it, my guess is they are confident, the liability would be huge.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2021, 08:38:20 AM
Well it just seems that there is some kind of reasoning they are not being very transparent about. I don't play a biologist in my other life either.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on February 25, 2021, 08:41:39 AM
I fully agree on the transparency issue.  WDFW is notorious in my mind for not explaining virtually anything which isn't good policy in my opinion.  It wouldn't take a bunch of effort to type up a sentence or two explaining things every now and again.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Encore 280 on February 25, 2021, 08:49:47 AM
Recreational crabbing opened in Grays Harbor area but not Willapa   :bash: and it's only a couple miles down the road. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on February 25, 2021, 09:57:09 AM
I fully agree on the transparency issue.  WDFW is notorious in my mind for not explaining virtually anything which isn't good policy in my opinion.  It wouldn't take a bunch of effort to type up a sentence or two explaining things every now and again.

“Biotoxin levels are too high to open”
I think that pretty well explains it. They test often. At one time I pulled up a graph that showed the testing and levels. Probably still there somewhere. The new interactive map was pretty interesting as it showed the levels were less in some of the bay areas just around the corner from the jetty. Protected I guess? I would have thought the reverse? Anyway, good to see the levels ‘might’ be coming down some.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 25, 2021, 10:18:18 AM
But the streamers and oysters are open in Willapa?  Maybe cause of all the commercial in there??
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 25, 2021, 02:42:03 PM
https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/biotoxin/biotoxin.html
Willapa is closed to all clams and Crab.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on February 26, 2021, 04:52:50 PM
Aaaaand it looks like crabbing in Grays Harbor area closed again.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: dilleytech on February 27, 2021, 09:39:09 AM
Aaaaand it looks like crabbing in Grays Harbor area closed again.

Unless your crabbing in west port boat basin where the water is totally safe to crab in and not toxic at all.. Im I missing something? Where’s the logic?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 27, 2021, 09:52:42 AM
Aaaaand it looks like crabbing in Grays Harbor area closed again.

Unless your crabbing in west port boat basin where the water is totally safe to crab in and not toxic at all.. Im I missing something? Where’s the logic?

You mean all the boat's dumping sewer and spilling diesel in the water... :chuckle:.  Totally healthy.

Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on February 27, 2021, 03:39:01 PM
Aaaaand it looks like crabbing in Grays Harbor area closed again.

Unless your crabbing in west port boat basin where the water is totally safe to crab in and not toxic at all.. Im I missing something? Where’s the logic?

Thought I just read it had closed again. I will go look to see if once again I misread it. Won't be the first time or the last time I am afraid!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 01, 2021, 05:37:34 PM
New acid levels posted.  All beaches still high.  This ain't looking good folks.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: snarkybull on March 01, 2021, 10:50:31 PM
I have seen a lot of confusion and some misinformation here.  Allow me to clarify as well as I can.  I am not full of excrement.  And I don't work for WDFW.  But I do believe in science.

First and foremost: Domoic Acid is real.  Look up amnesic shellfish poisoning and then decide for yourself whether that sounds like something you want to feed your family.  The damage to the hippocampi (the parts of your brain that forms new memories) is permanent.  I shudder at the thought of ingestion while pregnant.  Having said that, the limit of 20 parts per million is markedly precautionary.

Pseudo-nitzschia spp. (the diatom that produces domoic acid) has been long gone since fall.  For some reason the razor clams cling on to the toxin like their life depended on it.  The concentration obviously goes down over long periods of time.  The levels will jump around a fair bit because the clams are getting tested every couple weeks or so, and they are only digging a handful of razor clams each time.  The levels are going to bounce or wobble some but the trend is visible over time.  I personally think we have a good shot of getting out there in May when the depuration typically accelerates.

All the other types of clams and mussels will pick up the toxin and then purge it within days.  The oysters actively discriminate against eating these particular diatoms so hardly ever get any of the toxin in their systems.  The dungies having toxin in their bellies because they are eating razor clams.  The crab farther off-shore generally have less toxin due to diet, but the darn things move around a lot, so that is not a hard and fast rule.  The crabs in and around Willapa Bay have been eating the razors in the Willapa spits.  The crab in Westport boat basin are eating other things, but again they move, so I hardly understand leaving that open.  It does not compute to me.

The crabs are being tested for toxin concentration in their intestines, which is also known as crab butter.  I truly do not know why people would eat that, but some do and therefore ruin it for the rest of us.  But the toxin will hardly get into the meat of the crabs in appreciable quantities unless the toxin levels in the viscera are through the freaking roof.  Therefore whole crab can get banned from sales, but cleaned crab are ok.  Crab feeding behaviors and movement patterns are largely unknown and unpredictable, so it is entirely possible for the toxin concentrations to go up even as razor clam concentrations go down and the toxin-producing diatoms have been gone for months.  Maybe they are eating more razors now.  Nobody knows.

Last year, the Grays Harbor County and Pacific County's health departments did ban people from the beaches, especially because of razor clam crowds, and we cannot predict how they will respond this year.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on March 01, 2021, 11:39:05 PM
While I am not a biologist, I talked to three different ones, and you pretty much nailed it. They check the levels often, but have to go with the 'safety for all' to the lowest common denominator.
Sort of like the 'Gorilla Glue In The Hair' deal. Can't wait to see what the fallout will be from that!
Like a meme I saw recently:
If you think your Generation is so smart, Why did car Owner Manuals from years ago show you how to adjust the valves. The new ones don't, and warn you about not drinking the fluid from the battery?
 :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: pnwbestlife on March 03, 2021, 07:29:33 AM
With the new acid levels updated, I've written a new blog post about it here: https://pnwbestlife.com/washington-razor-clam-update-march-2021/

In summary, Mocrocks and Copalis beaches are the closest to safe levels, but still have a lot of work to do. My hope is that they relax the one beach vs all beaches restriction at some point with the COVID cases dropping and we get an April opp on Mocrocks and Copalis...other than that...may not happen until the fall.

-Kyle
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on March 03, 2021, 07:37:08 AM
I think WDFW has already stated it's all or nothing.  Of course they may change their mind, but at least recently that was their position.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: 2MANY on March 03, 2021, 08:03:00 AM
Bet the WDFW breakroom is open and there is nothing but toxin in there.

Doughnuts....... Gotta get DOUGHNUTS!!!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: hhack on March 15, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
What a load of crap
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: 2MANY on March 15, 2021, 11:22:12 AM
Our outdoor managers are laughably spineless.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: huntnphool on March 15, 2021, 11:37:07 AM
What a load of crap

  :DOH:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on March 15, 2021, 12:02:33 PM
WDFW site shows Mocrocks is just barely below toxin levels on the March 10.  I don't know if the tribes have other beaches not available to the public or maybe they are digging there.  It was at 19.0 and 20 is unsafe.

In Phase 3 it will be hard to justify not opening a beach I would hope.  If you can go to a sporting event you should be able to go to the beach.

Even so, the toxins still aren't looking promising.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on March 15, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
Turns out I have a 2nd cousin that is a quinualt, talked with him 2 weeks ago about the clams.  He said the bacteria levels are real but he also said the bacteria is only in the guts.  And the reason the state has it closed is because some ethnic groups eat the entire clam.  At that time he said they couldn't dig for them.  Look at me, defending the natives, the world has turned.  lol
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Mtnwalker on March 15, 2021, 12:08:25 PM
They do say previously frozen... wonder when they were harvested?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 15, 2021, 12:08:52 PM
WDFW restated that the levels have to be all below on all beaches.  All are still high except Mocrocks.  Looks like the good tides at the end of the month will be a no-go.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 15, 2021, 12:10:20 PM
I have personally witnessed certain aged ethnic people gulp the whole thing down right on the beach like an oyster.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on March 15, 2021, 12:15:02 PM
I have personally witnessed certain aged ethnic people gulp the whole thing down right on the beach like an oyster.
:yike: UMM hell NO!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on March 15, 2021, 12:22:34 PM
I would try one raw, actually kind of surprised I haven't.  I guess my mind just thinks you fry some that day and then can and chowder the rest.  Some things like oysters are way better raw (IMO) and some things like shrimp are way better cooked.  I would guess razors are better cooked, but only one way to find out.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Bigshooter on March 15, 2021, 12:49:14 PM
I like to slice the neck thin at an angle, give it a little lime juice, dip it in some sweet soy and eat. 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WSU on March 15, 2021, 12:53:43 PM
I would try one raw, actually kind of surprised I haven't.  I guess my mind just thinks you fry some that day and then can and chowder the rest.  Some things like oysters are way better raw (IMO) and some things like shrimp are way better cooked.  I would guess razors are better cooked, but only one way to find out.

I've tried a bite.  Not a ton of flavor.  I haven't eaten one whole though like you do an oyster.  Maybe that's the ticket?  I'll give it a try next time some digs one of the little tiny ones.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on March 15, 2021, 01:08:10 PM
That's what I found about shrimp, texture is good but they are almost tasteless raw.  Some good dipping sauce like Bigshooter mentioned might be the ticket.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WSU on March 15, 2021, 01:21:25 PM
I tried a spot prawn last year raw and was underwhelmed on that too.  Definitely better cooked.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 15, 2021, 02:30:24 PM
They do say previously frozen... wonder when they were harvested?

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Remnar on March 15, 2021, 03:02:26 PM
I would try one raw, actually kind of surprised I haven't.  I guess my mind just thinks you fry some that day and then can and chowder the rest.  Some things like oysters are way better raw (IMO) and some things like shrimp are way better cooked.  I would guess razors are better cooked, but only one way to find out.

I've tried a bite.  Not a ton of flavor.  I haven't eaten one whole though like you do an oyster.  Maybe that's the ticket?  I'll give it a try next time some digs one of the little tiny ones.

Bet you will be crunching on lots of sand . I have tried them in a similar fashion as Bigshooter mentioned they were ok I prefer cooked :twocents:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: KP-Skagit on March 15, 2021, 04:00:08 PM
I guess this begs the question as to why they can't just issue a statement saying not to eat the guts. Like vibriosis where they say not to eat it raw.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 15, 2021, 04:10:44 PM
My understanding is that with crab, Domoic acid is only in the guts and clams and oysters it is in the entire organism.  Even if you are not eating the stomach contents you are eating a lot of different body parts on a clam.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Igottanewknee on March 15, 2021, 09:32:39 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: KP-Skagit on March 16, 2021, 10:13:06 AM
My understanding is that with crab, Domoic acid is only in the guts and clams and oysters it is in the entire organism.  Even if you are not eating the stomach contents you are eating a lot of different body parts on a clam.

That is what I always thought BUT contradicts what was said a couple posts up as a justification for finding commercially harvested clams in the store.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2021, 10:26:20 AM
The native I talked to said if you clean the razor clam, you are good. Would make sense if they are able to sell commercially. I doubt those clams are over a year old.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on March 16, 2021, 11:14:26 AM
Here is what WDFW thinks:

Quote
Research has shown that razor clams accumulate domoic acid in edible tissue and are slow to expel the toxin. In Dungeness crab, domoic acid primarily accumulates in the viscera (internal organs) or “butter.”

https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/basics/domoic-acid
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WSU on March 16, 2021, 11:49:31 AM
The native I talked to said if you clean the razor clam, you are good. Would make sense if they are able to sell commercially. I doubt those clams are over a year old.

The same tribe also harvested, sold and then recalled 29 tons of crab.  The closure was already in place when then they went crabbing.  Me thinks it's all about the money.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/quinault-tribe-recall-29-tons-of-dungeness-crab-due-to-toxin/281-5af014f7-ddb6-4582-adb7-e581388f0aee#:~:text=SEATTLE%20%E2%80%94%20Nearly%2029%20tons%20of,recalled%20by%20the%20Quinault%20Tribe.&text=hours%20of%20consumption.-,The%20crab%20was%20caught%20by%20the%20tribe%20from%20Dec.,place%20where%20it%20was%20purchased.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Mtnwalker on March 16, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
The native I talked to said if you clean the razor clam, you are good. Would make sense if they are able to sell commercially. I doubt those clams are over a year old.

The same tribe also harvested, sold and then recalled 29 tons of crab.  The closure was already in place when then they went crabbing.  Me thinks it's all about the money.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/quinault-tribe-recall-29-tons-of-dungeness-crab-due-to-toxin/281-5af014f7-ddb6-4582-adb7-e581388f0aee#:~:text=SEATTLE%20%E2%80%94%20Nearly%2029%20tons%20of,recalled%20by%20the%20Quinault%20Tribe.&text=hours%20of%20consumption.-,The%20crab%20was%20caught%20by%20the%20tribe%20from%20Dec.,place%20where%20it%20was%20purchased.

Is that why I got bells palsy at christmas?  :chuckle: somebody should throw a 20 down for a pack of those clams and have them tested!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 17, 2021, 12:40:06 PM
My understanding is that with crab, Domoic acid is only in the guts and clams and oysters it is in the entire organism.  Even if you are not eating the stomach contents you are eating a lot of different body parts on a clam.

That is what I always thought BUT contradicts what was said a couple posts up as a justification for finding commercially harvested clams in the store.
“Previously frozen” ;)
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on March 17, 2021, 05:16:36 PM
Pretty cheap really, wholesale off the beach must be $10-15 a pound cleaned.  If it wasn’t so much fun I would just buy them.


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Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: snarkybull on March 17, 2021, 07:55:07 PM


The same tribe also harvested, sold and then recalled 29 tons of crab.  The closure was already in place when then they went crabbing.  Me thinks it's all about the money.

Fact-checking:

First, it was a retroactive closure.  They harvested the crab after toxin testing showed the crab were ok.   I repeat - the department of Health gave the OK on commercial harvesting and sales before they opened.  During harvest they submitted crab for testing that showed toxin above the limit in the viscera - it only takes one crab. Therefore the recall.

Second, in response to other posts, the razor clams in the pic were obviously frozen.  Read the label.  Everybody harvested razor clams in early fall before the Pseudo-nitzschia bloom.  Razor clams freeze like a boss.  for years.

Third, the toxin is not caused by bacteria.  It is a diatom.  We are talking single-celled plant organisms here.

Please please please, do a little research before spouting off Qanon quack stuff.  This stuff is easily findable on the internet.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: KP-Skagit on March 17, 2021, 08:06:59 PM


The same tribe also harvested, sold and then recalled 29 tons of crab.  The closure was already in place when then they went crabbing.  Me thinks it's all about the money.

Fact-checking:

First, it was a retroactive closure.  They harvested the crab after toxin testing showed the crab were ok.   I repeat - the department of Health gave the OK on commercial harvesting and sales before they opened.  During harvest they submitted crab for testing that showed toxin above the limit in the viscera - it only takes one crab. Therefore the recall.

Second, in response to other posts, the razor clams in the pic were obviously frozen.  Read the label.  Everybody harvested razor clams in early fall before the Pseudo-nitzschia bloom.  Razor clams freeze like a boss.  for years.

Third, the toxin is not caused by bacteria.  It is a diatom.  We are talking single-celled plant organisms here.

Please please please, do a little research before spouting off Qanon quack stuff.  This stuff is easily findable on the internet.

No conspiracy theorist quack stuff here. Just trying to inform myself. Pack of clam pictured said it was packed in Feb of 2021. Seems odd to me that they would be harvested, frozen, and then packed. So seemed to me they were harvested recently.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: snarkybull on March 17, 2021, 08:38:50 PM
That is the date that QFC put their sticker on it.  nothing more.  Could have been frozen since 1985.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on March 17, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
That is the date that QFC put their sticker on it.  nothing more.  Could have been frozen since 1985.

Don’t confuse the issue with facts! BAN HIM! BAN HIM!  :chuckle:  :chuckle: :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WSU on March 18, 2021, 07:19:38 AM


The same tribe also harvested, sold and then recalled 29 tons of crab.  The closure was already in place when then they went crabbing.  Me thinks it's all about the money.

Fact-checking:

First, it was a retroactive closure.  They harvested the crab after toxin testing showed the crab were ok.   I repeat - the department of Health gave the OK on commercial harvesting and sales before they opened.  During harvest they submitted crab for testing that showed toxin above the limit in the viscera - it only takes one crab. Therefore the recall.

Second, in response to other posts, the razor clams in the pic were obviously frozen.  Read the label.  Everybody harvested razor clams in early fall before the Pseudo-nitzschia bloom.  Razor clams freeze like a boss.  for years.

Third, the toxin is not caused by bacteria.  It is a diatom.  We are talking single-celled plant organisms here.

Please please please, do a little research before spouting off Qanon quack stuff.  This stuff is easily findable on the internet.

Fact checking: WDFW shut down rec crabbing in early December, well before the tribe fished: https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/most-washington-coast-now-closed-crab-fishing-due-marine-toxins

The toxin was known and they crabbed anyway.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: pnwbestlife on March 23, 2021, 06:18:58 AM
I like the domoic acid trend in the most recent tests! I'm still hopeful we can get a dig, perhaps in mid/late April?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Igottanewknee on March 26, 2021, 05:23:14 PM
I'd like to do the trifecta... Spring bear, crab and razor clams. That would work for me.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2021, 11:58:11 AM
Yeah, not looking promising again.  I’m down to one pack of chowder in the freezer.


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Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 15, 2021, 11:08:07 AM
New acid level posted today from the 6th.  Copalis and Mocrocks are good but Long Beach and Twin Harbors are still high.  If WDFW sticks to their policy for all beaches being low, things look dim now.  Not looking good folks.  Crap.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Igottanewknee on April 15, 2021, 01:27:13 PM
Bass turds....
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 15, 2021, 01:32:18 PM
Since we have less than a month left in general for reasonable clam seasons I don't see it happening. Go figure, over a year without a clam dig.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on April 15, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
New acid level posted today from the 6th.  Copalis and Mocrocks are good but Long Beach and Twin Harbors are still high.  If WDFW sticks to their policy for all beaches being low, things look dim now.  Not looking good folks.  Crap.

With COVID cases rising, it doesn't sound promising that they would change course.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on April 15, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
The good part is they will be plentiful when it does open!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 15, 2021, 04:01:47 PM
We were camping out there the week before last and hit the beach near the good low tides every morning on Copalis.  Even without 10 thousand people traipsing around, you would have limited without moving 10 feet.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: pnwbestlife on April 17, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
I'm hopeful there will be a dig on Copalis / Mocrocks before spring time is over...
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: HntnFsh on April 17, 2021, 04:51:00 PM
Won't happen.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: msg on April 17, 2021, 06:24:34 PM
Glad i have 4 or 5 limits in the freezer. Last winter 2019 and 20 and last fall some of the best digging ever as far as densities and few people. It's amazing to look on the WFDW website for shellfish openings .It can be shut down from Birch Bay to southern Hood Canal for water quality issues. However, Taylor Shellfish operates 365 a year in the same water. What a confidence builder for Fish and Wildlife! Our trifecta, Razor Clams, Oysters and Sea Perch. Very good day at the beach!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on April 17, 2021, 06:29:34 PM
Outdoor Line said there may be an announcement this week - didn't even hint it would be good news.

I'm not holding my breath, but would be happy if we could get something.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Blacklab on April 17, 2021, 09:00:05 PM
Going to Long Beach May 1 for the clam festival. Not planning on climbing but just hanging out being tourist😉🥃🇺🇸
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: hhack on April 17, 2021, 11:12:36 PM
Might be time to literally tell the state to pound sand and just start clamming this is bs. Tribes clamming and selling us the same clams. It’s not about protecting the consumer from domicile acid.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Igottanewknee on April 18, 2021, 07:43:04 PM
Might be time to literally tell the state to pound sand and just start clamming this is bs. Tribes clamming and selling us the same clams. It’s not about protecting the consumer from domicile acid.
True... I believe they don't want people congregating, not at the beach, but at all the stores, gas stations, restaurants and whatever. My  :twocents:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: The scout on April 18, 2021, 08:05:50 PM
I’m sure there serving them at the casinos fresh off the beach
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on April 19, 2021, 12:00:18 PM
I’m sure there serving them at the casinos fresh off the beach

This stuff just keeps getting posted.   Show the evidence.  Eventually someone might believe you and end up getting sick.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2021, 12:06:00 PM
I’m sure there serving them at the casinos fresh off the beach

This stuff just keeps getting posted.   Show the evidence.  Eventually someone might believe you and end up getting sick.
Mocrops has been good since march 10th, so they very well could be serving fresh clams to the casino.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 19, 2021, 12:17:25 PM
They've been digging for a week.

It's not that hard to prove....
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2021, 12:32:45 PM
They've been digging for a week.

It's not that hard to prove....
And there it is, racism at it's finest.   :bash:  Too bad us non natives aren't smart enough to dig on that beach too.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Jake Dogfish on April 19, 2021, 12:36:27 PM
They are a sovereign nation.  Everyone else is second class citizens.
Still don’t believe they are serving anything fresh seafood at casinos though.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on April 19, 2021, 03:52:44 PM
WAY too hard and expensive for a big restaurant to do fresh. Probably are serving the frozen stuff all restaurants serve. Unless they say they are, then I actually believe them. Either way, clamming is open in some area’s.
Anyone been clamming at those beaches? Curious how the crowds have been.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2021, 04:09:59 PM
WAY too hard and expensive for a big restaurant to do fresh. Probably are serving the frozen stuff all restaurants serve. Unless they say they are, then I actually believe them. Either way, clamming is open in some area’s.
Anyone been clamming at those beaches? Curious how the crowds have been.
it’s not open anywhere for non natives
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on April 19, 2021, 06:05:05 PM
I am not sure it has been open for Tribes, either commercial or recreational, either. I don’t believe it has been. They measure the biotoxins as well.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Look 5 posts up from your last one, natives have been digging, the toxins went below the unhealthy line on a couple beaches.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on April 19, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
In Oregon. I was thinking Washington. I should have specified.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on April 19, 2021, 06:54:33 PM
I don't blame the tribes one bit, they aren't the ones calling the shots for the recreational closure.  Yet again, we can do just about anything with the blessing of the health department except for clamming.  Want to sit on a plane shoulder to shoulder for hours - go for it.  Restaurant - sure.  Sporting event - no problem.  Golfing - great.

Just don't walk on a beach with your family and dig clams, that's where the danger really lurks.  Yet again, WDFW choses not to "follow the science" as our governor would say.  Roll over and stick it to the license holder, press the easy button.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 19, 2021, 07:30:23 PM
In Oregon. I was thinking Washington. I should have specified.

Is there a moclips or roosevelt beach  in oregon... :dunno:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on April 19, 2021, 10:37:56 PM
That did not come off as intended. Never mind.

For anyone that wants to watch the levels:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/basics/domoic-acid/levels
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on April 27, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
Dang! Looks like the levels are going back up!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: huntnphool on April 27, 2021, 10:42:01 PM
Dang! Looks like the levels are going back up!

 Of course they are, right along with the Covid numbers! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: bkaech on April 27, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Clam Covid.... they need to quarantine too.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Gentrys on May 18, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
Mocrocks clamming was good on Saturday.  Boy was it busy.  Sounds like we're done now until the Fall. 
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 18, 2021, 07:35:10 PM
Lights out yesterday morning and crowds not too bad, nothing more than usual I would say.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Encore 280 on May 21, 2021, 08:12:33 PM
Look's like 4 more days at Mocrocks.  :tup:
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: CavemantheHunter on May 24, 2021, 08:47:39 AM
Maybe this has been asked and answered, but when I was a kid, I could get a limit if I "assisted" my parents, which included pulling the sand tube out of the gun and picking up the clam. I can't find any verbiage in the regs this year now that my kids are old enough to come with that refers to level of assistance a kid needs to give to be able to get their own limit. Is the thought still "assist" or is it now that they must physically dig their own limit?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Sneaky on May 24, 2021, 09:06:48 AM
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Bullkllr on May 24, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
Maybe this has been asked and answered, but when I was a kid, I could get a limit if I "assisted" my parents, which included pulling the sand tube out of the gun and picking up the clam. I can't find any verbiage in the regs this year now that my kids are old enough to come with that refers to level of assistance a kid needs to give to be able to get their own limit. Is the thought still "assist" or is it now that they must physically dig their own limit?

I believe it's the same as for any fishing: Youth must actively participate and be able to demonstrate the ability to handle the gear by themselves.
http://www.eregulations.com/washington/fishing/license-information/ (http://www.eregulations.com/washington/fishing/license-information/)
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 24, 2021, 11:12:33 AM
I have sort of a different question.  On Roosevelt beach, there are signs to the right as you come on to the beach prohibiting vehicles after April 15th.  Same signs down south past Iron Springs.  Yet, beyond both signs there were hundreds, if not thousands of vehicles.  Are those rules waived on clamming days or are they just not enforced?
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on May 24, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Maybe this has been asked and answered, but when I was a kid, I could get a limit if I "assisted" my parents, which included pulling the sand tube out of the gun and picking up the clam. I can't find any verbiage in the regs this year now that my kids are old enough to come with that refers to level of assistance a kid needs to give to be able to get their own limit. Is the thought still "assist" or is it now that they must physically dig their own limit?

It's a warden's judgement call.  If your kid is 6 months old it won't fly but from my experience if they can actually pull on the handle, grab the clam, carry the bag, etc, you shouldn't have a problem.  Pulling a clam gun without the air hole thing on the side is tough, I was assisting until my son was about 10 or 11 before he could pull a limit by himself.

I think what they are really looking for is the kid that is 50 yards away from dad pulling 2 limits.  The wardens I have ran into were pretty reasonable as long as the kid is actually involved.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 24, 2021, 03:46:02 PM
If the kid can walk, pick up clams, carry a bag, hold the gun, "help" pull the gun.... your good...

Some elderly people can't pull a gun either and their is no issues with them getting assistance. I normally pull clams for the whole family, wife has disc problems last thing I need is her going down for the count on the beach.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: CavemantheHunter on May 24, 2021, 03:54:08 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone. I'll make a judgment call come this weekend once I see how much they're actually going to help.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Stein on May 24, 2021, 04:04:04 PM
When mine were much smaller, they would often help for a couple and then be off doing something else with the dog or whatever kids do at the beach.  I figured whatever clams they got were bonus ones anyway since I didn't have to buy them a license.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: hunthard on May 24, 2021, 07:54:31 PM
I had my kids pick the clam up after i pulled the tube out and kicked the sand core to reveal the clam, just make sure to keep those clams separate from your limit.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: metlhead on May 24, 2021, 08:39:18 PM
Sad the things we need to watch out for when enjoying the things we purchase. Personally never worried. Group dig until every limit is filled.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Commando on May 30, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
Went out today for the first time. Holy ... was it packed! I figured it would be busy but that was on another level.I imagine it was because this was the only beach open.  We got a few but not as much as I’d hoped. We treated it as a learning experience. Gotta get there earlier than we did. Can’t wait for the next dig! We took my two kids and they had a blast getting dirty lol.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 30, 2021, 07:28:29 PM
That was unreal this morning.  Never seen that many people in all the years clamming.  We hit the northern part at 8:30 and decided to wait to this bar started to show about 9:45.  Waded out there in satchel deep water and limited in 9 minutes.  I have never seen that density of clam shows, ever.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: 3boys on May 30, 2021, 07:54:26 PM
Crazy crowds. Left with limits at 9 and the line went from Roosevelt past the green lantern pub.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Westside88 on May 30, 2021, 08:08:42 PM
Traffic was insane. I only live an hour from Moclips, but it took 2.5 today. We didn’t even hit the beach before the tide turned. We were able to get 4 limits, but had to work for them. Friday was as good as I remember in a long while
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Commando on May 30, 2021, 08:52:50 PM
Dang guys good job! I’ll get it figured out one of these days. It was my first time digging them so work in progress
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Westside88 on May 30, 2021, 08:55:35 PM
Dang guys good job! I’ll get it figured out one of these days. It was my first time digging them so work in progress
It would be fun sometime to do a meet up, so those of us who grew up digging could help out fellow huntwa members
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: ASHQUACK on May 30, 2021, 08:56:22 PM
Dang guys good job! I’ll get it figured out one of these days. It was my first time digging them so work in progress

If we get another dig, hit me up. I can help ya figure it out.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Commando on May 30, 2021, 09:01:04 PM
That’s be great! I’ll get in touch with you guys on the next dig either if they have one soon or in the fall.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 30, 2021, 09:26:07 PM
We left Pacific Beach at 10:30 or so and the traffic coming west towards town on Ocean Beach Rd was backed up 4 miles I think.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: WAcoueshunter on May 30, 2021, 09:49:02 PM
Sure was nice to get back out, some great conditions and nice clams. But yes, a single open beach on the Sunday of Memorial Day makes for some crazy crowds in places!  Still had a great time.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on May 31, 2021, 05:42:54 AM
Sad the things we need to watch out for when enjoying the things we purchase. Personally never worried. Group dig until every limit is filled.

Aaand you just admitted to breaking the law on a public forum. Not legal to do in Washington.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 31, 2021, 06:20:16 AM
That's a good internet cop there.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: msg on May 31, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
I was there on Friday. I drove up to the northern most access. I had a decent limit by 7:30 and helped locate some clams for a nice lady. I normally like to take some time and try to dig the biggest clams. You can be fooled though. I just had a feeling the traffic was going to turn into a zoo. The southern access at Pacific Beach was the choke point. Traffic was dead stopped and the line was 2 miles long before 8 am. Nobody could get by to get to the other 2 beach approaches!
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 31, 2021, 08:44:56 AM
That's a good internet cop there.

No kidding..
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: KNOPHISH on May 31, 2021, 09:19:50 AM
Went last Wednesday at it was probably the best ever. Got 2 limits of large in as fast as you can pull em. Was so many shows just picked the extra large ones, most shows I have seen. Best part was traffic was almost non existent. My batch of smoked clams came out very good too.
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: GWP on May 31, 2021, 12:48:44 PM
That's a good internet cop there.

No kidding..

I have a bud that was involved in a serious motorcycle wreck. He paid a whole lot of money to get his ‘high speed postings’ and talking on forums removed and or locked down by order of his lawyer.
 ‘If’ the law nabbed you for something, they have folks that go looking for exactly that kind of thing to get warrants and build a case.
Forget I said anything. ‘Go fer it!’
Title: Re: Razor clams
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 31, 2021, 01:22:06 PM
That's a good internet cop there.

No kidding..

I have a bud that was involved in a serious motorcycle wreck. He paid a whole lot of money to get his ‘high speed postings’ and talking on forums removed and or locked down by order of his lawyer.
 ‘If’ the law nabbed you for something, they have folks that go looking for exactly that kind of thing to get warrants and build a case.
Forget I said anything. ‘Go fer it!’

Whatever. Lawyers don’t give orders, they just send invoices.