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Title: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 11, 2021, 09:15:17 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/season-setting?fbclid=IwAR0eo3aqOgMx0kN2MlIjnzAO81N_Go8ctWukQtSAw2wkx4c1_0WA-QwItSI#
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 11, 2021, 09:28:19 AM
Finally, will be interesting to see what is being proposed. 
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: WSU on February 11, 2021, 09:38:21 AM
I don't like how a number of changes are lumped together in one question.  There were a number where I opposed some and agree with some in the same questions.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 09:39:59 AM
I don't like how a number of changes are lumped together in one question.  There were a number where I opposed some and agree with some in the same questions.
:yeah:
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: idahohuntr on February 11, 2021, 09:45:11 AM
Recommends 1x scopes for muzzleloaders and would allow return of special permits for any reason...I don't like either change.  Allowing return of special permits will hurt already dismal draw odds, especially for buck, bull, and antlerless categories.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 09:50:45 AM
Recommends 1x scopes for muzzleloaders and would allow return of special permits for any reason...I don't like either change.  Allowing return of special permits will hurt already dismal draw odds, especially for buck, bull, and antlerless categories.
100%
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 11, 2021, 10:02:28 AM
I'd want to make sure they would reallocate permits that get returned. 
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: idahohuntr on February 11, 2021, 10:18:54 AM
The language does state they would be reissued.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 11, 2021, 10:19:16 AM
I don't like how a number of changes are lumped together in one question.  There were a number where I opposed some and agree with some in the same questions.
Disagree and make a comment of why
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: jrebel on February 11, 2021, 10:27:56 AM
Completed...thanks for posting the link
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: KFhunter on February 11, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Recommends 1x scopes for muzzleloaders and would allow return of special permits for any reason...I don't like either change.  Allowing return of special permits will hurt already dismal draw odds, especially for buck, bull, and antlerless categories.

  Agreed w you, and disagreed on the survey


Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: KFhunter on February 11, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
Some of those questions were a bit shady in the wording.

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 11, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Some of those questions were a bit shady in the wording.

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They have totally changed some wording on a couple proposals now.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 10:58:27 AM
Definitely have to dig in to the actual proposals to see what they are planning to do and not just read the summary.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2021, 11:23:54 AM
Just completed the survey.  It's a long one. Lol

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2021, 11:46:14 AM
Wdfw as well as this survey just disgust me. Ive tried really hard over the years to be objective and fair when it comes to qdfw and game management but ive just had enough! What an embarrassment to WA sportsmen and the North American model of wildlife conservation.  SMH
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2021, 11:50:56 AM
Wdfw as well as this survey just disgust me. Ive tried really hard over the years to be objective and fair when it comes to qdfw and game management but ive just had enough! What an embarrassment to WA sportsmen and the North American model of wildlife conservation.  SMH
Anything specific in the survey? Or the whole thing in general?

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 11, 2021, 11:54:05 AM
Wdfw as well as this survey just disgust me. Ive tried really hard over the years to be objective and fair when it comes to qdfw and game management but ive just had enough! What an embarrassment to WA sportsmen and the North American model of wildlife conservation.  SMH
What were you hoping to see?
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 11:58:09 AM
Wdfw as well as this survey just disgust me. Ive tried really hard over the years to be objective and fair when it comes to qdfw and game management but ive just had enough! What an embarrassment to WA sportsmen and the North American model of wildlife conservation.  SMH
Anything specific in the survey? Or the whole thing in general?

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I have much the same opinion as karl. From combining entirely too many changes per question to imo disingenuous summarys its pretty rediculus. I dont remember the exact question but it was one about reduction in otc whitetail doe harvest the summary said that sportsman would get some opportunity back in special permits. I dug into the permit numbers and they propose dropping permits from 150 to 5 for one unit and 350 to 5 for another unit. That is not giving any opportunity back. That is cutting tags but leaving enough to ensure permit app revenue.
Not even to mention that at least in the northern part of gmu 127 they are years behind on reducing doe harvest. Numbers have increased drastically over the last 2 years...  :twocents:
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: KFhunter on February 11, 2021, 12:09:28 PM
Avoided predator issues entirely

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 11, 2021, 12:10:50 PM
Avoided predator issues entirely

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Not in the comment section!
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Lokaybinnity on February 11, 2021, 12:13:31 PM
are they seriously blaming poor calf moose survival on cow nutrition smh :bash: i think they need to look at the guts of the wolves in the area thats were the calves are 
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 11, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
The whole youth opportunity disgusts me!  There are no good buck or bull hunts anymore.  No silver dollar or pine mountain ranch hunts.  This is my daughters pine buck and silver dollar bull from this year.  She is hooked now because of these hunts.

Found silver dollar in the LHP
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Bowhunter3 on February 11, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
Thanks for posting, will do my part this evening.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: hunter399 on February 11, 2021, 12:26:40 PM
Didn't really see the 223 caliber reduction.
So I don't even know what's up with that.
Or the spring grouse or changes to the fall grouse season. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

Honestly I did it ,left Alot of comments.
It's really a joke,most of that will go through.
No big deal.
This is just to make you feel better ,(That you where part of the process)
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
My family has bought less and less each year that trend will continue until I'm down to just a deer tag,then boom off to a different state I go.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 11, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
One cool two point, yeah the youth opportunities in this state are really sad.  Future of hunting is not looking good if they lose the younger generation and they are getting harder and harder to get out there.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: hunter399 on February 11, 2021, 12:30:13 PM
The whole youth opportunity disgusts me!  There are no good buck or bull hunts anymore.  No silver dollar or pine mountain ranch hunts.  This is my daughters pine buck and silver dollar bull from this year.  She is hooked now because of these hunts.
Those hunts look great.
I did tell them in some comments that it's stupid that when permits,tags,ECT need to be reduced its always the youth option that gets cut first .just stupid.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 11, 2021, 12:38:16 PM
The scopes on muzzies said 1x scope or a red dot sight.  I didn't recall that from earlier discussions.  Is it too early to ask for a green dot or is that the tech creep we've been warned of?
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 12:43:52 PM
The scopes on muzzies said 1x scope or a red dot sight.  I didn't recall that from earlier discussions.  Is it too early to ask for a green dot or is that the tech creep we've been warned of?
I would think of if passed the red dot nomenclature would pertain to essentially lighted dot sights. ďRed dotĒ being a type of sight as opposed to a physical attribute of an approved sight.

Still dont want any of it approved tho. 😆
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 11, 2021, 12:51:51 PM
The goat proposals are a real head scratcher.

Apparently the smoke and mirrors secret special ops apply to be a kill group didnt work out so well in the Olympics.  :chuckle:

Back to conflict tags again.

And where did all the goats go they where able to relocate. All I see is a reduction in opportunity in the cascades. I think they need better spotters in their "fly" over surveys.... :bash:
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 11, 2021, 12:53:00 PM
I found silver dollar in the LHP program.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
I found silver dollar in the LHP program.

Where they want to change the rules from being illegal to charge for access to strongly discourage from charging...  :bash:
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2021, 12:58:34 PM
The goat proposals are a real head scratcher.

Apparently the smoke and mirrors secret special ops apply to be a kill group didnt work out so well in the Olympics.  :chuckle:

Back to conflict tags again.

And where did all the goats go they where able to relocate. All I see is a reduction in opportunity in the cascades. I think they need better spotters in their "fly" over surveys.... :bash:
right!?!?!?! Or they just flat out aren't flying like their elk counts  :dunno:
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 11, 2021, 01:02:20 PM
The goat proposals are a real head scratcher.

Apparently the smoke and mirrors secret special ops apply to be a kill group didnt work out so well in the Olympics.  :chuckle:

Back to conflict tags again.

And where did all the goats go they where able to relocate. All I see is a reduction in opportunity in the cascades. I think they need better spotters in their "fly" over surveys.... :bash:
right!?!?!?! Or they just flat out aren't flying like their elk counts  :dunno:

If they are flying its probably a one time thing, on a cloudy day.  Give me a bottle of water and snickers bar and I will triple their goat counts in the Naches and Bumping....
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
The goat proposals are a real head scratcher.

Apparently the smoke and mirrors secret special ops apply to be a kill group didnt work out so well in the Olympics.  :chuckle:

Back to conflict tags again.

And where did all the goats go they where able to relocate. All I see is a reduction in opportunity in the cascades. I think they need better spotters in their "fly" over surveys.... :bash:
right!?!?!?! Or they just flat out aren't flying like their elk counts  :dunno:
the whole olympic peninsula draw makes no sense. Sell those suckers otc and let everyone have a chance!
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 11, 2021, 01:16:11 PM
If they are flying I know they canceled the helicopter deer surveys
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 11, 2021, 01:21:55 PM
The goat proposals are a real head scratcher.

Apparently the smoke and mirrors secret special ops apply to be a kill group didnt work out so well in the Olympics.  :chuckle:

Back to conflict tags again.

And where did all the goats go they where able to relocate. All I see is a reduction in opportunity in the cascades. I think they need better spotters in their "fly" over surveys.... :bash:
right!?!?!?! Or they just flat out aren't flying like their elk counts  :dunno:
what they donít say is when they flew it was the middle of the day in early august probably!
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: trophyhunt on February 11, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: RB on February 11, 2021, 01:25:58 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!


 :yeah:

First thing I thought of too!
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: RB on February 11, 2021, 01:27:31 PM
Done! And you are not kidding it is a long one. Very disappointed with the Moose situation habitat is NOT the only factor with the reduced numbers!
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Sundance on February 11, 2021, 01:37:31 PM
My comments regarding the conflict resolution goat hunt in the Olympics.

I'm writing to you in regards to the potential reinstatement of the conflict goat reduction hunts within the Olympic Mountain range. It is my opinion that should the conflict reduction program be reinstated that tag numbers for the Olympic Mountain range need to drastically increase. Since the department and the NPS have determined that the goats are an invasive species to that ecosystem action(s) should be taken to greatly reduce their (goat) population. In the past WDFW had allocated 6-9 permits for non-tribal hunters for the conflict reduction draw. Past harvest rates were roughly 33%, therefore only 2-3 goats were being removed annually by non-tribal hunters in this program. With a total fertility rate of 6-7%, a population of 100 goats wouldn't be negatively impacted by a harvest of 2-3 animals per year. Given that past surveys had an estimated population of 1000+ goats, the minimal amount of available tags with the low harvest rate was severely inadequate to even qualify as a reduction effort. With the recent efforts of the NPS to relocate and lethally remove significant populations, a more aggressive approach is warranted by the department in future programs.  Please consider increasing the tag allocation opportunity to a number which would actually impact the current population to substantially reduce the herd volume. If the department issued 100 permits it would greatly increase revenue, be favorable among Washington sportsmen/women, and have a significant impact in reducing herd numbers. Since the conflict reduction program is separate from the once-in-a-lifetime draw (OIL), and the proposed rule changes would raise the lifetime bag limit to two goats per hunter (one per category), there is an ideal situation for the department to capitalize on this opportunity. The application fee for the conflict resolution category could be raised, the fee for the successful applicant tag could increase and more revenue would be generated to fund future relocation efforts or make up general budget shortfalls. Ultimately I see a mutually beneficial opportunity for scientific based management, user groups, and fiscal responsibility. Thank you for your consideration and I wish you all the best in your future endeavors within the department.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 11, 2021, 01:38:19 PM
So when you open the .pdf file and view the Quality Deer special permits none of the quantities changed much (2) at all which I find very strange.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 11, 2021, 01:45:41 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!

Two weeks prior to is ridiculous..

You should have to return it within two weeks of getting it. Why hold onto it for two months then decide at the last minute you don't want it. I get the natural disaster scenario, fires and such. But now people will get to scout all summer and if they don't like what they see they can send the permit back no questions asked. Will the next guy in line have right of refusal. How many people will they have to call before they can unload the tags. You notify me two weeks before a season is going to start that I have a tag I've probably already made other plans.

I like the concept, I don't like the execution.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: trophyhunt on February 11, 2021, 01:50:54 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!

Two weeks prior to is ridiculous..

You should have to return it within two weeks of getting it. Why hold onto it for two months then decide at the last minute you don't want it. I get the natural disaster scenario, fires and such. But now people will get to scout all summer and if they don't like what they see they can send the permit back no questions asked. Will the next guy in line have right of refusal. How many people will they have to call before they can unload the tags. You notify me two weeks before a season is going to start that I have a tag I've probably already made other plans.

I like the concept, I don't like the execution.
that 2 week deadline before the hunt starts is stupid, I agree it should be two weeks after the draw results, heck, even 4 weeks.  But I bet most people will be pretty happy getting a phone call out of the blue saying they were receiving the permit. 
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 01:55:38 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!

Two weeks prior to is ridiculous..

You should have to return it within two weeks of getting it. Why hold onto it for two months then decide at the last minute you don't want it. I get the natural disaster scenario, fires and such. But now people will get to scout all summer and if they don't like what they see they can send the permit back no questions asked. Will the next guy in line have right of refusal. How many people will they have to call before they can unload the tags. You notify me two weeks before a season is going to start that I have a tag I've probably already made other plans.

I like the concept, I don't like the execution.
that 2 week deadline before the hunt starts is stupid, I agree it should be two weeks after the draw results, heck, even 4 weeks.  But I bet most people will be pretty happy getting a phone call out of the blue saying they were receiving the permit.
I didn't pay close attention to that section, did it say that the receiver of the hand me down permit would lose their points?
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: OltHunter on February 11, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Alkali moving to quality permits from bull, is terrible. 

The unit is very restricted and archery hunters have to wear orange...now how is that a quality experience?
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 11, 2021, 02:00:11 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!

Two weeks prior to is ridiculous..

You should have to return it within two weeks of getting it. Why hold onto it for two months then decide at the last minute you don't want it. I get the natural disaster scenario, fires and such. But now people will get to scout all summer and if they don't like what they see they can send the permit back no questions asked. Will the next guy in line have right of refusal. How many people will they have to call before they can unload the tags. You notify me two weeks before a season is going to start that I have a tag I've probably already made other plans.

I like the concept, I don't like the execution.
that 2 week deadline before the hunt starts is stupid, I agree it should be two weeks after the draw results, heck, even 4 weeks.  But I bet most people will be pretty happy getting a phone call out of the blue saying they were receiving the permit.
I didn't pay close attention to that section, did it say that the receiver of the hand me down permit would lose their points?

I don't think it said but it can be assumed yes, because you have now "drawn" a permit.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 02:02:20 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!

Two weeks prior to is ridiculous..

You should have to return it within two weeks of getting it. Why hold onto it for two months then decide at the last minute you don't want it. I get the natural disaster scenario, fires and such. But now people will get to scout all summer and if they don't like what they see they can send the permit back no questions asked. Will the next guy in line have right of refusal. How many people will they have to call before they can unload the tags. You notify me two weeks before a season is going to start that I have a tag I've probably already made other plans.

I like the concept, I don't like the execution.
that 2 week deadline before the hunt starts is stupid, I agree it should be two weeks after the draw results, heck, even 4 weeks.  But I bet most people will be pretty happy getting a phone call out of the blue saying they were receiving the permit.
I didn't pay close attention to that section, did it say that the receiver of the hand me down permit would lose their points?

I don't think it said but it can be assumed yes, because you have now "drawn" a permit.
I am more ok with it in that case, but still dont like it.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: trophyhunt on February 11, 2021, 02:06:33 PM
Prob get flamed for this, but I fricken love the special permit change!!!!!!  Return your permit for any reason and get your points back, and then the next guy in line gets that permit!!  Bout time!! I know, I know, now my odds will go down.... blah blah, my odds suck either way! Now I can put in for all categories and not worry about losing points on my quality and bull categories!!  Love it!

Two weeks prior to is ridiculous..

You should have to return it within two weeks of getting it. Why hold onto it for two months then decide at the last minute you don't want it. I get the natural disaster scenario, fires and such. But now people will get to scout all summer and if they don't like what they see they can send the permit back no questions asked. Will the next guy in line have right of refusal. How many people will they have to call before they can unload the tags. You notify me two weeks before a season is going to start that I have a tag I've probably already made other plans.

I like the concept, I don't like the execution.
that 2 week deadline before the hunt starts is stupid, I agree it should be two weeks after the draw results, heck, even 4 weeks.  But I bet most people will be pretty happy getting a phone call out of the blue saying they were receiving the permit.
I didn't pay close attention to that section, did it say that the receiver of the hand me down permit would lose their points?
I donít recall them saying, I would hope so. But if they didnít want it because they already were committed to another permit, Iíd hope that 2 week limit wouldnít apply and they get to keep their points.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: trophyhunt on February 11, 2021, 02:07:49 PM
With that new permit return possible change, Iíd like to see them increase the number of choices in the quality to 4
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: JoeVon on February 11, 2021, 02:15:03 PM
It really sucks to see them taking the portion of the Norway Pass Elk Area and placing it into the Loowit.   It will completely eliminate bear, deer, cougar and grouse hunting in this area.  They are citing enforcement issues as the reason why,  but I think they are trying to keep hunter/hiker interactions down.  If you guys have a chance make sure you let them know that you strongly disagree with their proposal.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2021, 02:27:40 PM
It really sucks to see them taking the portion of the Norway Pass Elk Area and placing it into the Loowit.   It will completely eliminate bear, deer, cougar and grouse hunting in this area.  They are citing enforcement issues as the reason why,  but I think they are trying to keep hunter/hiker interactions down.  If you guys have a chance make sure you let them know that you strongly disagree with their proposal.
I noticed that and commented that if they do that they need to add permits to loowit to keep opportunity the same
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 11, 2021, 02:28:10 PM
Interesting that they have the percentage of people that were for the proposals.

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: JoeVon on February 11, 2021, 02:49:57 PM
It really sucks to see them taking the portion of the Norway Pass Elk Area and placing it into the Loowit.   It will completely eliminate bear, deer, cougar and grouse hunting in this area.  They are citing enforcement issues as the reason why,  but I think they are trying to keep hunter/hiker interactions down.  If you guys have a chance make sure you let them know that you strongly disagree with their proposal.
I noticed that and commented that if they do that they need to add permits to loowit to keep opportunity the same


I appreciate that but allowing permits is just going to make them more money and reduce hunting opportunities.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: cougforester on February 11, 2021, 03:00:58 PM
Am I reading this right that 3 turkeys can be killed in spring in Spokane County? So I could kill one in Kittias, one in Chelan and one in Spokane counties?
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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 11, 2021, 03:45:26 PM
Am I reading this right that 3 turkeys can be killed in spring in Spokane County? So I could kill one in Kittias, one in Chelan and one in Spokane counties?
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I didn't see that proposal at all but yes in the beginning they were allowing a bag limit to 3 in Spokane area and also upping to 2 in Chelan.  I don't know if they would allow it the way you put it.

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: PA BEN on February 11, 2021, 03:52:50 PM
People complain about the lack of quality mature bucks, but more people didn't like antler restrictions, so there solution is to cut the season. What a joke.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: cougforester on February 11, 2021, 04:08:32 PM
Am I reading this right that 3 turkeys can be killed in spring in Spokane County? So I could kill one in Kittias, one in Chelan and one in Spokane counties?
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I didn't see that proposal at all but yes in the beginning they were allowing a bag limit to 3 in Spokane area and also upping to 2 in Chelan.  I don't know if they would allow it the way you put it.

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How come? 2 birds were shot in eastern WA and a 3rd was shot in Spokane? Maybe it wouldn't be allowed for how they meant it but I don't see how what I spelled out wouldn't work with the current language.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: hunterednate on February 11, 2021, 04:23:36 PM
It really sucks to see them taking the portion of the Norway Pass Elk Area and placing it into the Loowit.   It will completely eliminate bear, deer, cougar and grouse hunting in this area.  They are citing enforcement issues as the reason why,  but I think they are trying to keep hunter/hiker interactions down.  If you guys have a chance make sure you let them know that you strongly disagree with their proposal.

Yes, that is garbage. I disagreed with that and commented. Asking others here to do the same, please! It's under the "Elk" category, but would eliminate all other hunting in 5066 Norway Pass. Super lame. I bet hiker conflicts are to blame, too.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 11, 2021, 05:24:30 PM
Am I reading this right that 3 turkeys can be killed in spring in Spokane County? So I could kill one in Kittias, one in Chelan and one in Spokane counties?
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I didn't see that proposal at all but yes in the beginning they were allowing a bag limit to 3 in Spokane area and also upping to 2 in Chelan.  I don't know if they would allow it the way you put it.

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How come? 2 birds were shot in eastern WA and a 3rd was shot in Spokane? Maybe it wouldn't be allowed for how they meant it but I don't see how what I spelled out wouldn't work with the current language.
I guess it would depend on the game warden.  As it is written ine bird only east Cascades included Klickitat.  If you get one in Klickitat you would only be allowed one bird out in the NE or the SE.  It will be interesting but I no longer see the increases in these proposals.  In the last set before this one I did.  I went back a couple times to look unless it is jammed up with other proposals.

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: cougforester on February 11, 2021, 06:03:41 PM
Russ I think it was under the small game section with all the grouse stuff. I was skimming through it and just caught this on accident.

And I was saying Kittitas County, i.e. Cle Elum. Not Glenwood area.

I mean I guess I could see how this is trying to say only 2 birds in eastern WA can be killed, but 3 can be in Spokane. But then if we kill 2 anywhere else in eastern WA, then we can't shoot another in Spokane county? If we want to shoot 3 then all 3 birds have to come out of Spokane county?
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 11, 2021, 06:35:50 PM
Russ I think it was under the small game section with all the grouse stuff. I was skimming through it and just caught this on accident.

And I was saying Kittitas County, i.e. Cle Elum. Not Glenwood area.

I mean I guess I could see how this is trying to say only 2 birds in eastern WA can be killed, but 3 can be in Spokane. But then if we kill 2 anywhere else in eastern WA, then we can't shoot another in Spokane county? If we want to shoot 3 then all 3 birds have to come out of Spokane county?
Exactly.  Stupid.  Wish it was just easy and simple.

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: KFhunter on February 11, 2021, 06:58:46 PM
End night hunting for all species...




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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2021, 07:04:40 PM
End night hunting for all species...




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That's just during big game modern season. October and November.

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Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: hunter399 on February 11, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
People complain about the lack of quality mature bucks, but more people didn't like antler restrictions, so there solution is to cut the season. What a joke.
64% of people was in favor of some kind of APR
36% Want no change at all
100% of people don't want a shorter season.
Which they recommend to Shorten the season.
Ya it's a joke is where I would start.
Then like a lot of questions it's lumped with reduced antlerless tags in 124 GMU ,There is no antlerless harvest in district 1 so how those proposal got put together is stupid.

We will lose 5 days off the late season this season.
6 days off 2022 season for district 1
65 older /disabled will lose antlerless hunts in 124 all together.
Youth loses antlerless late season.
I'm gonna ask all  of you to disagree
At the very least comment no to shorter season in district 1.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-02/ots-28693.pdf
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 12, 2021, 09:05:20 AM
With that new permit return possible change, Iíd like to see them increase the number of choices in the quality to 4

And we could get a call second week in November for a bull elk permit or a quality buck permit.  :dunno:   :IBCOOL:  Keep the dream alive. 

Going thru and adding a few comments.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: fireweed on February 12, 2021, 09:19:08 AM
It really sucks to see them taking the portion of the Norway Pass Elk Area and placing it into the Loowit.   It will completely eliminate bear, deer, cougar and grouse hunting in this area.  They are citing enforcement issues as the reason why,  but I think they are trying to keep hunter/hiker interactions down.  If you guys have a chance make sure you let them know that you strongly disagree with their proposal.

Yes, that is garbage. I disagreed with that and commented. Asking others here to do the same, please! It's under the "Elk" category, but would eliminate all other hunting in 5066 Norway Pass. Super lame. I bet hiker conflicts are to blame, too.
I smell the influence of the Forest Service wanting the Monument to be closed to hunting like a national park.  There are lots of places with way more hikers than this.  Went through the whole trail east to west last fall.  Trail in awful shape, with very little evidence that it gets much hiker use (Boundary) but did run into a bear hunter. If less hunting is agreed on, over time, they have a better argument to make Mt st helens a park.  The WDFW already gave up hunting on the hills above Coldwater (2000 acres) cowtowing to the USFS.  They also are feckless when it comes to fishing Spirit Lake.  Hunting and fishing here, BY LAW, is managed by the WDFW not the USFS.  But the scientists in charge hate it and push to close everything to hunters.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: hunterednate on February 12, 2021, 11:43:56 AM
It really sucks to see them taking the portion of the Norway Pass Elk Area and placing it into the Loowit.   It will completely eliminate bear, deer, cougar and grouse hunting in this area.  They are citing enforcement issues as the reason why,  but I think they are trying to keep hunter/hiker interactions down.  If you guys have a chance make sure you let them know that you strongly disagree with their proposal.

Yes, that is garbage. I disagreed with that and commented. Asking others here to do the same, please! It's under the "Elk" category, but would eliminate all other hunting in 5066 Norway Pass. Super lame. I bet hiker conflicts are to blame, too.
I smell the influence of the Forest Service wanting the Monument to be closed to hunting like a national park.  There are lots of places with way more hikers than this.  Went through the whole trail east to west last fall.  Trail in awful shape, with very little evidence that it gets much hiker use (Boundary) but did run into a bear hunter. If less hunting is agreed on, over time, they have a better argument to make Mt st helens a park.  The WDFW already gave up hunting on the hills above Coldwater (2000 acres) cowtowing to the USFS.  They also are feckless when it comes to fishing Spirit Lake.  Hunting and fishing here, BY LAW, is managed by the WDFW not the USFS.  But the scientists in charge hate it and push to close everything to hunters.

I think you're on to something here.
Title: Re: 21-23 comment link is up
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 14, 2021, 07:53:12 PM
Which takes precedent for decisions in todays society?  Biological or social need.   Does it balance?  :dunno:
 
2021-23 Hunting Season Rules - Adoption by the WDFW Commission  - March/April 2021

The recommendations will be presented for consideration by the Fish and Wildlife Commission in March and with potential adoption in April 2021. These recommendations will be based on the biological needs of a species and the social need of the public gathered through the comment period.