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Title: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: KFhunter on February 13, 2021, 01:05:27 PM
Let's get a list going of fair market prices on guns, ammo and reloading stuff. 

Don't advertise here, this is for advice on prices.

I'm going to compile a list for reference. 

Title: Re: Fair value market thread.
Post by: KFhunter on February 13, 2021, 01:05:38 PM
22.LR. nib =    open box =    randoms in a bucket =

12ga steel shot =

Non- magnum CF =

Mag CF =

.223 nib=  open box =  randoms in a bucket =





Title: Re: Fair value market thread.
Post by: KFhunter on February 13, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
Reloading =

Primers
Title: Re: Fair value market thread.
Post by: KFhunter on February 13, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
Guns

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Title: Re: Fair value market thread.
Post by: KFhunter on February 13, 2021, 01:08:57 PM
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Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 13, 2021, 01:52:45 PM

Good price is <  market price

Bad price > market price

Fair price = market price

Market price = gunbroker.com price

Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: GWP on February 13, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
So if I get enough people to say a certain price, that becomes the 'fair market price', and we all get to buy it at a cheaper price? Oops! I meant 'fair market price'?
It is so hard, particularly now, to determine 'fair market price', I am not sure you can do it. Certainly not without research based upon 'in stock', which seems to be in short supply. I tried to get a price figured out for a couple items but when I actually clicked on them there were none in stock.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: jrebel on February 13, 2021, 02:37:17 PM
Just look at what items are selling for.   Brick of primers flies out the door at 3x multiplier, $100/ brick.   This appears to be the same case with 9mm and .22 lr.   When priced much higher, it appears to not sell.   .223 bulk is about the same.  Sells fast at 1k per 1000 rounds.  Much over that and it just sits.

Iím not saying this is a good price, but that appears to be a fair price based on my observations of what sells and what doesnít.  I may add, I personally would not pay a 3x multiplier but do believe that is what the current market will tolerate.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Stein on February 13, 2021, 03:04:37 PM
7.62 x 39 seems to be down to about $.45 - $.50 a round from latest check today.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Oh Mah on February 13, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
if you want fair price buy local,i dont really care what drama people are spewing i have not seen any price increase at cabelas.avaiability yes but price NO.I JUST PICKED UP 3K OF PRIMERS FOR $210,FEDERAL MATCH.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Norman89 on February 13, 2021, 09:53:46 PM
There is no ammo shortage as far as I can tell. Ammo is for sale all over the place, you just have to buy it at 3x the price from the a**hat that was at Cabela's when they open the door. Seriously go on the waguns forum and look at the ammo classifieds, there is no shortage of 22lr,9mm,380,40sw,45,223,243,308,30/06,30-30,12ga. You can spot the previose spoken of easily
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: fowl smacker on February 13, 2021, 09:56:51 PM
if you want fair price buy local,i dont really care what drama people are spewing i have not seen any price increase at cabelas.avaiability yes but price NO.I JUST PICKED UP 3K OF PRIMERS FOR $210,FEDERAL MATCH.
You think $70 a brick is "normal"?
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: KFhunter on February 14, 2021, 06:45:55 AM
There is no ammo shortage as far as I can tell. Ammo is for sale all over the place, you just have to buy it at 3x the price from the a**hat that was at Cabela's when they open the door. Seriously go on the waguns forum and look at the ammo classifieds, there is no shortage of 22lr,9mm,380,40sw,45,223,243,308,30/06,30-30,12ga. You can spot the previose spoken of easily

Exactly, and according to some here we should thank them for doing that for us.

Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: GWP on February 14, 2021, 07:03:27 AM
if you want fair price buy local,i dont really care what drama people are spewing i have not seen any price increase at cabelas.avaiability yes but price NO.I JUST PICKED UP 3K OF PRIMERS FOR $210,FEDERAL MATCH.
You think $70 a brick is "normal"?

Well, what is 'normal'? That would be the question. I doubt prices will ever get completely back to where they were. 'Normal', until Thomas Crapper got the toilet figured out, was to have an outhouse. I would imagine there were some people that were pretty resistant to the idea of an 'indoor toilet' at first, but it certainly is 'normal' now.
Or Mr. Ford's 'assembly line', that made it possible for 'regular folk' to be able to afford a car. Or. Or. Or.
"Life is a series of adjustments. Then you die".
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 14, 2021, 07:16:57 AM
if you want fair price buy local,i dont really care what drama people are spewing i have not seen any price increase at cabelas.avaiability yes but price NO.I JUST PICKED UP 3K OF PRIMERS FOR $210,FEDERAL MATCH.

Thats 55% over their list price.....  :dunno:
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 14, 2021, 07:19:32 AM
if you want fair price buy local,i dont really care what drama people are spewing i have not seen any price increase at cabelas.avaiability yes but price NO.I JUST PICKED UP 3K OF PRIMERS FOR $210,FEDERAL MATCH.

I just picked up 2,000 cci small pistol primers at Sportsmanís for $23 per thousand.   Timing is everything.   
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: GWP on February 14, 2021, 07:27:53 AM
Now you can flip them for $1K for 23!!! Weeeeeee!
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 14, 2021, 07:54:26 AM
Now you can flip them for $1K for 23!!! Weeeeeee!
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

I gave all 2,000 of them to a good friend that reloads.  No charge as he often loads up rounds for my 7 mag and never asks for anything in return.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: KFhunter on February 14, 2021, 07:57:07 AM
Mass points aquired you have.

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Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: GWP on February 14, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
Funny you said that. I have/had been out of touch with all the ammo shortage/hoarding stuff going on. Did not know it was going on.
I have a friend I gave a 'bucket' of reloaded 9mm to as I do not have one any more. He got pretty excited and I had no idea why. Now I know. It did not make sense to me at the time as 9mm is cheap, and plentiful, right?
 :dunno:
Crazy how much the stuff is going for. Makes me a little sad that I will actually hesitate to go shoot because the price (for now) would be so high if I need to restock supplies.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: KFhunter on February 14, 2021, 08:26:27 AM
That's where I'm at, not shooting.

There's good ways to train w/o shooting for hanguns, but not so much rifles.

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Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Oh Mah on February 14, 2021, 09:36:05 PM
tax included yes that price is very close to same price pre covid for federal match magnum large rifle primers.
they were just under $65 per 1000 before tax.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Oh Mah on February 14, 2021, 09:40:08 PM
I haven't seen a price increase to speak of for powders at Ace Hardware either so i guess some are just shopping at the wrong stores.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Oh Mah on February 14, 2021, 09:43:22 PM
if you want fair price buy local,i dont really care what drama people are spewing i have not seen any price increase at cabelas.avaiability yes but price NO.I JUST PICKED UP 3K OF PRIMERS FOR $210,FEDERAL MATCH.

I just picked up 2,000 cci small pistol primers at Sportsmanís for $23 per thousand.   Timing is everything.
exactly,there may be a shortage but a shortage is not the same as price gauging.if you shop where everyone else shops you prob. wont find much often.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: sjhgraysage on February 15, 2021, 11:53:11 AM
interesting that small pistol primers were found recently at Sportsmans Warehouse.
I call my local Sportsmans a couple times a week asking if they have gotten any primers or powder in and have been getting told NO every time.
My timing must suck  :dunno: ;)
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 15, 2021, 11:58:15 AM
interesting that small pistol primers were found recently at Sportsmans Warehouse.
I call my local Sportsmans a couple times a week asking if they have gotten any primers or powder in and have been getting told NO every time.
My timing must suck  :dunno: ;)

Iím in Colorado.  Found them at the one in north Denver (Thornton).  Didnít even price gouge me.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Mossy on February 15, 2021, 12:28:28 PM
interesting that small pistol primers were found recently at Sportsmans Warehouse.
I call my local Sportsmans a couple times a week asking if they have gotten any primers or powder in and have been getting told NO every time.
My timing must suck 

Iím in Colorado.  Found them at the one in north Denver (Thornton).  Didnít even price gouge me.

Well....Iíll pay shipping if you find some WLP and WLRP  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: sjhgraysage on February 15, 2021, 01:26:52 PM
Miles,
Do you know if they just got them in, or had they had them for awhile?
Thanks!
 
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Stein on February 15, 2021, 01:40:53 PM
interesting that small pistol primers were found recently at Sportsmans Warehouse.
I call my local Sportsmans a couple times a week asking if they have gotten any primers or powder in and have been getting told NO every time.
My timing must suck  :dunno: ;)

Yeah, you would have to get incredibly lucky to call in the 5 minutes they are on the shelf.  Sometimes they come out of a box and go directly into a cart without touching the shelf.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 15, 2021, 03:07:50 PM
Miles,
Do you know if they just got them in, or had they had them for awhile?
Thanks!
 

I was there in the morning and picked up 2 boxes of 9mm.   While looking around an older lady that works there asked if she could help me find anything.  I laughed and jokingly said ďprimersĒ.   She said ďweíve got some that weíre processing in the back, grab lunch and come back in an hourĒ.   An hour later they were on the shelves.  They had quite a few boxes.   I check every couple days for 9mm and primers.  Yesterday they had a bunch of handgun ammo, but it was all home defense expensive stuff, no target ammo.   They did have quite a few boxes of .22 ammo as well.

I wouldnít rely on calling and asking, just pop in occasionally and get to know one of the individuals that work in that area.  They will tell you when the last truck came in and how long it generally takes to get the stuff on the floor.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: huntandjeep on February 15, 2021, 05:04:14 PM
interesting that small pistol primers were found recently at Sportsmans Warehouse.
I call my local Sportsmans a couple times a week asking if they have gotten any primers or powder in and have been getting told NO every time.
My timing must suck  :dunno: ;)
No its because the counter guy calls up his buddy and let's him know they are going on the shelves in the morning . Or the same guys show up every delivery day and wipe out what's put on the shelves. 
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: bearhunter99 on February 15, 2021, 05:15:36 PM
Or one of the employees comes in before their shift and buy the stuff to resell....I overheard a conversation between employees that one of them had come in and bought more than you technically can because of the SKU being the same or something....
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: redi on February 15, 2021, 05:38:59 PM
I was told the corporate requires the store managers to post on Facebook The night before when theyíre going to have Ammo put out. The next morning there will be a line a block long waiting to get in
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 15, 2021, 07:47:42 PM
Lots of theories.  Strictly speaking about Sportsmanís,  the shipment days arenít always the same from what Iíve been told.  There are limits on certain products. Iíve found 9mm ammo pretty regularly with no connection to the counter guy.  I always make it a point to ask about product and recent history, some are more friendly than others with info.  You just have to make it a point to stop regularly.  If you go in on the one afternoon of the month that they are out, I know itís hard to believe that ďnormal peopleĒ have found any ammo.   Iíve been in several afternoons and seen plenty of ammo.  They did move the common high requested ammo to a shelf in customer service.  I believe thatís due in some part to theft from the signs I saw the week before they moved them.   I walked away today from around 100 boxes of 9mm because none of it was the target ammo I wanted.  At 2 boxes per customer, thatís 50 folks who can get some if they needed it.  Iíve purchased over 30 boxes of target 9mm locally in the last 4 months...  itís out there.  Iíve also never paid over $14 a box.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 15, 2021, 08:01:00 PM
Now with regards to the Cabelas down the street from my house, they SUCK.   I rarely find anything there.  Itís horrible when compared to Sportsmanís for shooting needs.  Currently they donít even have rifle ammo,  sportsmanís has some on the shelf every time Iíve been there for the last 2 weeks.   I donít get it?  Perhaps everyone thinks Cabelas is the only place in town?  I refuse to stand in that line before they open just to race to the back with all the old geezers filling their basement.  Lol
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: GWP on February 15, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
I wonder if the Cabelaís shortage is more the Ďnewí gun owners that bought their gun there and actually do not know there are other places that carry ammo?
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Stein on February 15, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
Now with regards to the Cabelas down the street from my house, they SUCK.   I rarely find anything there.  Itís horrible when compared to Sportsmanís for shooting needs.  Currently they donít even have rifle ammo,  sportsmanís has some on the shelf every time Iíve been there for the last 2 weeks.   I donít get it?  Perhaps everyone thinks Cabelas is the only place in town?  I refuse to stand in that line before they open just to race to the back with all the old geezers filling their basement.  Lol

Just wait, shortly Sportsman's will be as useless as Cabelas unfortunately.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: KFhunter on February 15, 2021, 10:19:43 PM
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Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 26, 2021, 09:21:51 AM
Did it again.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 26, 2021, 08:05:29 PM
Seems like a large amount of ammo/reloading supplies hit Sportsmanís today.   Cabelas even had some ammo.  $42 for a box of 9mm though... no thanks.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: M_ray on February 26, 2021, 09:17:54 PM
Sayís the two guys living in Montana and Colorado ! No offense to you miles and oh mah actually Iím jealous but itís easy for you two to say this is the norm? Neither of you have to battle the other 1/2 million other guys looking for the same thing that you are because you live in states with less population. Youíre lucky cause you have less competition for the same products.  Itís easy for you to say how easy it is from your perspective but from here where we are itís not the same and your experience is not the same across the country. Just sayin
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 27, 2021, 06:43:42 AM
Denver has a decent population, and Thornton is part of Denver.  We have shortage issues, you just have to keep checking.  Itís timing.    As I was walking out yesterday with the primers a guy in the parking lot says ďthey have primers?Ē  When I said yes, this 50 something year old man started running for the front door.   So if you want to come out here cause stuff is easier to find... make the drive. 


I stop at sportsmanís several times a week.  I keep tabs on what is going on.  If you did the same in WA you could probably find some product.  Obviously donít go in the evening when the whole population is off work for the day.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: M_ray on February 27, 2021, 07:16:16 AM
 :tup:

Most all the shops are on first name basis by now. When I was in Wyoming and Montana recently there was far more stuff on the shelves than in Wa. Iím getting some stuff but trust me Iíve also walked out of stores first thing in the morning 100 times lately empty handed. I get what your saying but just because you keep checking the well in a drought doesnít make the rain appear 😉 Again totally jealous good for you!
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Miles on February 27, 2021, 08:08:42 AM
I hear ya.  I got a little excited to find primers yesterday.  Itís nice walking out with something you were actually looking for.   I think things will change for the better in a few months.  Iíve noticed a slight change lately (for the better).
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: Bill W on February 27, 2021, 08:25:13 AM
Lots of theories.  Strictly speaking about Sportsmanís,  the shipment days arenít always the same from what Iíve been told.  There are limits on certain products. Iíve found 9mm ammo pretty regularly with no connection to the counter guy.  I always make it a point to ask about product and recent history, some are more friendly than others with info.  You just have to make it a point to stop regularly.  If you go in on the one afternoon of the month that they are out, I know itís hard to believe that ďnormal peopleĒ have found any ammo.   Iíve been in several afternoons and seen plenty of ammo.  They did move the common high requested ammo to a shelf in customer service.  I believe thatís due in some part to theft from the signs I saw the week before they moved them.   I walked away today from around 100 boxes of 9mm because none of it was the target ammo I wanted.  At 2 boxes per customer, thatís 50 folks who can get some if they needed it.  Iíve purchased over 30 boxes of target 9mm locally in the last 4 months...  itís out there.  Iíve also never paid over $14 a box.

I got a part time job at our local one.  I see freight come in on Monday, Monday, Monday and then when I tell people the next freight should be the next Monday, it's delayed and doesn't show until Wednesday.  The key thing is the stores only get freight once a week so calling multiple times doesn't help.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: M_ray on February 27, 2021, 08:47:06 AM
I hear ya.  I got a little excited to find primers yesterday.  Itís nice walking out with something you were actually looking for.   I think things will change for the better in a few months.  Iíve noticed a slight change lately (for the better).

BTW I have found primers recently but they both limited purchase of only 200 or 500. No one is getting a brick of 1k.
Title: Re: Guns, ammo, reloading - fair market prices thread
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 07, 2021, 02:00:40 AM
Been looking for h1000 powder for months now.. im down to my last pound. Have checked all the stores.. the one that pissed me off though was sportco in fife. Worker there told me that he just bought a couple bricks of 9mm because the guy who works in their safe selling area had stashed some for a friend and the friend decided not to buy it. I did find some cheap 12 gauge buckshot at least. Also a good thing i bought a couple thousand federal match lrp before this all hit and a bunch of 220 gr .308 cal berger bullets.