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Title: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 06:43:18 AM
The other day I got to thinking about the park in Walla Walla that had the rare and colorful pheasants in pens by the rose garden. Pioneer Park Aviary I believe. I haven't been there in many years so I don't know how it looks now. Anyway I decided to look up the different species of pheasants they had and found a LOT more than I had ever heard of! I'm gonna post all the pics of the many varieties and names I found. Some are unbelievable! Did you know Australia has a turkey species of its own!? Of course there's also the many "turkeys" South of the border too. Bear with me...
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 06:45:59 AM
The red golden varieties of course
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 07:02:24 AM
Himalayan Monal
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 07:11:05 AM
Cheer pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 07:14:13 AM
Western Tragopan
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 07:15:20 AM
Lady Amherst pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 07:16:56 AM
Australian bush turkey
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 08:03:11 AM
Palawan peacock pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Humes pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Elliott's pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 08:09:28 AM
Mikado pheasant
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Post by: KFhunter on April 07, 2021, 08:35:25 AM
I want to raise phez for release and hunting,
wonder if I should do some exotics?

Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 09:44:09 AM
Alot of these species live in areas that get below freezing so it's possible for them to thrive here but they don't reproduce very quickly so you would have to raise them for quite a few years before having enough to do releases. I feel like the Cheer pheasant would do excellent in Eastern Washington around the rye grass and dry hills above the Snake River.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
How about the monster grouse known as a Capercaillie! I swear on my life that I came across a group of these on the top of a ridge in the Cascades back in about 2003. Someone had to have released them hoping they would populate.

Black billed Capercaillie
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
Western or Eurasian Capercaillie
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:30:11 AM
Willow Ptarmigan
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
White-tailed Ptarmigan
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
Temminks Tragopan
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:37:54 AM
Blyth's Tragopan
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:41:22 AM
Bulwers pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:42:50 AM
Swinhoe's pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:45:30 AM
Siamese Fireback
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 11:18:14 AM
Oscillated turkey
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: metlhead on April 07, 2021, 02:40:19 PM
Those are definitely some beautiful birds. Although I believe some are possibly The result of selective breeding. I saw a ringneck pheasant this year in  Yakima. Supposedly, those are one of the rarest Of all pheasant.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 07, 2021, 09:24:33 PM
Those are definitely some beautiful birds. Although I believe some are possibly The result of selective breeding. I saw a ringneck pheasant this year in  Yakima. Supposedly, those are one of the rarest Of all pheasant.

Not one of those are the result of selective breeding(the color variations of the golden maybe an exception depending on how you look at it). they are all different breeds and all but the Blyths tragoapn are in aviaries in the US I believe. We have raised several of them and Bone addict has as well. There are multiple varieties of ringneck from many places in the world. It is a fantastic hobby, though not cheap and can be very time consuming. I knew a guy in Walla Walla years ago that raised several hundred Reeves pheasants for release on his farm. The (old) game department released several varieties of galliformes in the 70 and 80s from what I have read. The state will not allow grouse or ptarmigan in captivity  >:( but I would love to if they would.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 10:56:56 PM
A few color hybrids of Reeves pheasants
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
Black grouse
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
Red grouse
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 11:09:26 PM
Blood pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 07, 2021, 11:12:57 PM
Ijima copper pheasant
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 06:13:42 AM
Koklass pheasant

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Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 06:21:14 AM
How about jungle fowl....

Green jungle fowl

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Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 06:22:23 AM
Grey jungle fowl
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Post by: Birdguy on April 08, 2021, 09:02:33 PM
We have raised 12 of the birds pictured so far.
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Post by: Jake Dogfish on April 08, 2021, 10:43:24 PM
Beautiful! :tup:
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 11:07:17 PM
Birdguy do you know of a really unique one I haven't posted yet? Of course there are tons more I have missed but I will keep posting as I come across them. I haven't gotten to quail at all I guess.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 11:31:41 PM
Quail most everyone knows already

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Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 11:33:26 PM
Black Francolin
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 08, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Swainson's Francolin
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 09, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
The eared pheasants are pretty cool (blue, white and brown). Diggers like the impeyans but pretty docile and cool sounding birds.

@Boneaddict probably has forgotten more about galliformes than most will ever know.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 11:03:13 AM
What's the birds running all over the big island Hawaii?

Partridge sized, looked very huntable and were everywhere in the huntable areas of the game range.

Looked like those francolin
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:10:04 PM
I pretty much have raised a majority of the ones listed here and maybe some that haven’t been posted yet.   I loved this time of year.    The Wenas never sounded so good.    My last mated pair was killed by a coon this last summer.   I have torn down all but two pens.   I’ve contemplated doing a couple mandarins in one of the pens and maybe some regular ones, in another.   
I was also friends with the gentleman from walla walla that released them(he used to be a member on here)  Many of them were birds from my place.   Their downfall was they were so aggressive.   They’d attack hunters and get shot.  Throughout the years I’ve lost a couple birds out into,the Wenas.   I had several live outside of my pens and survived for years.   The one I just lost was a silver, that actually lived free for years, finally broke into the pen to fight the male in there and then stayed inside the pen. 
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
I'm going to raise them soon.  Want to up my dog training game post retirement, when I can actually travel and chase titles.

Be cool to do some exotics, and be a small miller ranch type deal.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 01:17:18 PM
I don't have any wild phez nor expect any to show up, in a pocket of good phez habitat yet sheilded from any migration in from colville valley.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
I had a lot of enjoyment doing it.   It was an awesome experience for my kids.   I could have easily marketed birds around the world, but international shipping refs are a beast, so I stayed within the boundaries of the US.   In your neck of the woods, snowfall and top nets will be your enemy. 

Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:26:13 PM
As for playing with genetics.   That wasn’t my thing except for striving to breed unrelated birds, or to sell birds that weren’t related.  Some of the breeds this was particularly hard because of the sample size of imported birds.   Tragopans come to mind.      Many back yard hobbyists sold mated pairs of siblings.    I kept multiple pens of unrelated breeding pairs and kept painstaking records of eggs collected hatched etc.  I had a very good reputation.     What genetics I did work on was the mutated black pheasant.   I was striving for the perfect color trait.   I believe the Spectrum Ranch was the other facility doing this as well.   There were some gorgeous black pheasants flying around the Wenas for awhile.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 01:28:55 PM
Your recommendation for starter birds?

Easy, and natural propagation with high survival rates, given some effort in habitat.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:38:04 PM
I wasn’t doing the hunting aspect, but easy birds that aren’t very expense, have good survivability, won’t break the bank and are easy to keep , I’d start with Red Goldens, Yellow Goldens, Amherst, Silver, or Reeves.   Silver and Reeves I’d suspect would be huntable birds. 
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
Be fun to do an "easter egg hunt", bunches of ringnecks then a golden pops up lol
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:41:55 PM
Natural propagation is fairly difficult with these guys.   Quite frankly they are dumb as hell.   They’d drown in a flooded elk track.   Generally at the end of every season, I let the gals sit on and hatch some of their own, so they wouldn’t “go nuts”.  Silvers did the best in raising their own.  Banty chickens or Cochins also did a good job of hatching out pheasant chicks and raising them. 
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:43:24 PM
Be fun to do an "easter egg hunt", bunches of ringnecks then a golden pops up lol
A couple times a day, for my kids.   They did an amazing job, labeling, keeping records etc.  plus they could get into tight spots I couldn’t
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 10, 2021, 07:14:12 PM
Natural propagation is fairly difficult with these guys.   Quite frankly they are dumb as hell.   They’d drown in a flooded elk track.   Generally at the end of every season, I let the gals sit on and hatch some of their own, so they wouldn’t “go nuts”.  Silvers did the best in raising their own.  Banty chickens or Cochins also did a good job of hatching out pheasant chicks and raising them.

I have guinea keys that free range year round on our place to eat ticks. They are amazing at being self sufficient. Dumb as hell with babies and raising broods. They will hatch out a batch of 15 chicks and lead them to the spring water and drown them all in the first two days. Then they will trample the babies in a panic trying to keep a cat away! I'm always forced to take them away and put them in a brooder box under a light. I'm gonna upset some people for not letting things be when I came across an unattended nest but when I was younger we had cochins and the neighbor and I would hatch out everything we found and some we ordered etc. One day on the way to school we went by a flooded field that had a long finger mound that went out into the middle of it from digging out the drainage ditch. The field was full all spring and a Canada goose had made a nest out on that finger. Well at some point the night before something found that goose on the nest and plucked it clean. We went out to the nest and it had two good eggs left untouched so we grabbed them and ran them home to the super broody red cochin the neighbor had. She could barely cover those two eggs but she got it done and we ended up with two Canada goslings. We ran to Aslin Finch and picked up an African goose baby that was slightly older and he helped them figure things out from the start and was the big brother. Sadly they got to flying and he couldn't fly so he would lose his mind and run after them across the meadow screaming his fool head off. They ended up leaving for the winter on their own and the next year only one returned with a wild mate. The year after that we never saw them again. The African was lonely so we gave it to someone who already had some and he fell in love with a mate they had for him. We raised alot of California quail and domestic duck varieties, bobwhites as well. I even had fighting cocks at one time and would get the gamecock magazine that sold fighting gaffs and knives in it. I came across some grouse chicks in the woods one time outside Cheney. Thought they were regular chicken babies wandering the trail until I went to catch one and a mother grouse came right up into my face! She strutted around just like a mad mother hen chicken would do and threw out her wings and punked me until I walked the other way. I thought about taking some to start a grouse pen but it would have been highly unethical and my conscience told me to leave her and the chicks alone. We raised regular old hunting varieties of pheasant as well. I love the black mutant strains. Had a pair that lived in my brothers yard at Rock Lake until they must have strayed too close to the road and some "hunters" picked them off. I live five minutes from Revere and the Escure Ranch and have to deal with folks shooting birds from the road every season so I don't allow hunting birds on my place because it's the only sanctuary for them and they have to nest somewhere. I would love to be able to raise prairie chickens or sharptails or sage grouse and release them here with success. Maybe one day I will. Hey Bone, do you know anyone who will sell me eggs from some if these less common varieties or even chicks? Tragopans maybe?
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 10, 2021, 07:33:23 PM
Black mutants from MTM pheasants
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Post by: Birdguy on April 10, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
LDennis, I know several people who raise tragopans and I have never seen an egg for sale from a reputable breeder. EBay  may have someone after the $$ to sell them but never seen it. If you decide you want young ones let me know. They are not cheap but decent ones can be found. Our WDFW will not allow the raising of any grouse  >:( but I  know a few guys out of state who raise prairie chickens and some other grouse.

KF, chukar maybe a better option for you smaller fun hunts, there are a few different colors and such (for your easter egg hunt) that would be easier to raise in the country your in. Smaller pens, could be off the ground to minimize the  snow impact. We have always found them quite easy to raise, just as a thought. And they are good eating! But there are many colors of ringneck too.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 10, 2021, 08:19:56 PM
Any Cabot's by chance?
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Post by: Birdguy on April 10, 2021, 08:37:39 PM
I know a couple guy raising them, no eggs yet that I know of so no idea how this year will go. Think they are about $1200ish a pair. If you are serious and can do some looking to see what wait lists look like.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 10, 2021, 09:37:52 PM
Yeah I've read alot about them having a small gene pool so you stand a good chance of getting sterile birds. I'm not looking for them this year but possibly in 2022 so I would like to do my homework before then.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 06:50:19 AM
I’ve never heard of MTM pheasants, but those are likely Spectrum Ranch birds or mine.   Nice color.

I only sold a couple Tragopan eggs.   They went for about 300 if I recall.  Pretty risky unless you are well versed at hatching.   I don’t have any contacts anymore in the business besides Birdguy. 
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 06:55:21 AM
This was one of my rejects, enjoying life out in the wild...

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/Antler%20Images/.highres/hallo.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/a/cb565dea-ccdf-46f0-a7a0-31a76001fb33/p/699c56a5-73fb-45cf-b175-2c73a9d693ba)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 07:06:03 AM
This was a fun Chukar KF

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Fbchuck.jpg&hash=d8e845da16613b1d20341b4ed466afc4)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/Antler%20Images/.highres/barbchuck.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/a/cb565dea-ccdf-46f0-a7a0-31a76001fb33/p/cc135560-3185-4d0a-9d86-b9672e4c5d92)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 07:17:13 AM
One of the cheapest pheasants, yet most friendly, easy to raise, and quite frankly entertaining.  Also gorgeous

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/.highres/faceredgolden.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/p/89134bad-cf87-48b7-bc21-412f51d701a3)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 07:20:32 AM
Blue Eared...    these did fairly well raising their own.    Big birds and diggers.   Great for fly tyeing

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/.highres/09blue.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/p/f275edec-51fa-4584-b707-b98735524e7a)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 07:23:50 AM
One of my all time favorites.   Even as baby chicks they sit and look up as their natural predator high in the Himalayas are eagles.   As mentioned, also big diggers.   I had a gorgeous set of trios, but my ex wife opened the cages and let them out.   Somewhere out in the Wenas ......

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/.highres/09imp.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/p/ec30e268-ae29-4ecf-982c-5d679ffaa6ef)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 07:26:35 AM
A lot of people would cross these with reds to come up with all sorts of colors.   I very much was against that.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/.highres/am1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/p/5117fbcb-a639-48e4-9417-062069ea7450)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 11, 2021, 08:10:45 AM
What kind of Chukar is that Bone? Red legged?

What else can you tell me about the Monal's (Impeyan)?
Do they handle the cold well? What exactly do you guys mean by being diggers? Just that they will build large holes from foraging and dusting like a chicken does? Did they lay very many eggs per season?
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 11, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
I keep hearing diggers, they dig under cages? 

Make tunnels? 

Or just destructive on the surface and hard on vegetation?
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
The Impeyans do handle the cold well.   They struggle with heat.  I’ve heard they struggle with humidity as well.  I have the heat but not humidity.  I know some folks use misters to help compensate  and that’s where they struggle with the moisture I think.  I had a pretty nice pen for them, so they did well without that. 

That’s a Barbary Chukar or Partridge.  Nice birds.  Very vocal.

They dig for roots and grubs I suppose, they’ll puddle and nest.   They all move dirt in their pens, but some are worse than others.   The Impeyans and Blue eared can move a lot of dirt.   They’ll dig a hole by the cage wall, dirt will collapse and either a hole opens where they ccan escape or a predator can easily get in.   I worked pretty hard at having planted pens, and yes, some I had trouble with.   
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 09:19:16 AM
None of the rare pheasants lay very many eggs per season.   That’s one reason why they are rare.  They layed more than the Tragopans.   
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 10:06:20 AM
This was one of my favorites, and also one of the hardest to take care of, especially in this climate

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/Antler%20Images/.highres/grayeyes.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/a/cb565dea-ccdf-46f0-a7a0-31a76001fb33/p/927fd732-2e6d-4ae3-9c52-03b7c7b1cdc8)
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 11, 2021, 10:52:27 AM
Yeah the peacock pheasants do some awesome dances! What one is that? I can't help but think of all the awesome native american and tribal dances around the world and how they resemble the mating dances of birds! It's pretty incredible to watch birds of paradise jump around too.

Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 11:43:49 AM
Grey Peacock Pheasant. 
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 11, 2021, 09:34:33 PM
Great pics Doug, as always! We have raised all you posted but the peacock pheasants. We got our first impeyan egg today!! We have 5 breeding pairs this year so hoping for a great season of fertile eggs. And dirt movers is an understatement! I thought we had fairly level pens....WRONG!!! Those crazy birds dig in the dirt all day every day and it shows! Fun birds, do well in the cold for sure but not in the heat. Folks who try to raise them in the south (and it is few) all have misters set up all around their pens most also have sprinklers on timers to come on and cool roofs and such. They are quite susceptible to the West Nile virus. The us lost about 40% in the early 20teens, was a pretty serious deal.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 11, 2021, 11:16:17 PM
So can you guys tell me where to find some Mikado chicks or Ijima coppers? Koklass' or Blood pheasant? Are any of these available in the NW? Or does anyone have Francolins available?
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2021, 05:07:06 AM
Lol, no, they weren’t easy to find when I had contacts all over.  Spend time on the Googler I guess, and track down leads. 
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2021, 05:10:30 AM
That’s awesome Birdguy!   I didn’t realize you still had birds.   This year would have been a pain in the butt.  We had 16 degrees last night.  I have to admit, all this bird talk and memory lane had me walking around my place looking ....hmmmm I could do a pen here . Lol
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 12, 2021, 05:50:25 AM
This was one of my favorites, and also one of the hardest to take care of, especially in this climate

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v47/boneaddict/Antler%20Images/.highres/grayeyes.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/boneaddict/a/cb565dea-ccdf-46f0-a7a0-31a76001fb33/p/927fd732-2e6d-4ae3-9c52-03b7c7b1cdc8)
Love the 3D effect on this one
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 12, 2021, 08:22:15 AM
So can you guys tell me where to find some Mikado chicks or Ijima coppers? Koklass' or Blood pheasant? Are any of these available in the NW? Or does anyone have Francolins available?

Francolins would be the most likely (type dependent). We did mikados  several years ago and shipped them in. Ijimas could be found in the US but you better be looking and making contacts now. Koklass and blood pheasants I would bet the list is long and you will likely be screened as an educated breeder to get them and likely there would be strings as for as an agreement to propagate and control where those chicks went. Importing gets harder and more expensive every year and finding quality stock to import is tougher still. Folks who are raising those really numbered birds are very particular about who gets to keep them.

If you are real seroius, PM me and I will get you some folks to start talking with  :tup:
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 14, 2021, 06:21:50 AM
I'm definitely interested but I don't have anything lined up for them yet. I need to choose where I will build my pens first and see if I can get that done this year and hopefully start making a serious effort to aquire a few pairs next Spring. Thank you a bunch for the offer! Would you and Bone mind posting some pics of your old setups/enclosures? Have you ever heard of anyone in the U.S. having Capercaillies? I could tell you the exact spot I swear I came across some while blacktail hunting back in 2003 or so.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: jackelope on April 14, 2021, 07:29:50 AM
Sounds like someone is about to dive headfirst down the rabbit hole :chuckle:

Remember the 4-H motto :chuckle: because it applies in everything. Especially breeding quality animals.

Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 14, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
What's the birds running all over the big island Hawaii?

Partridge sized, looked very huntable and were everywhere in the huntable areas of the game range.

Looked like those francolin
Gray frankolin are everywhere on Maui, my guess is that's what you saw there.  We also saw some black frankolin but they were much less common.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 14, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
I'm definitely interested but I don't have anything lined up for them yet. I need to choose where I will build my pens first and see if I can get that done this year and hopefully start making a serious effort to aquire a few pairs next Spring. Thank you a bunch for the offer! Would you and Bone mind posting some pics of your old setups/enclosures? Have you ever heard of anyone in the U.S. having Capercaillies? I could tell you the exact spot I swear I came across some while blacktail hunting back in 2003 or so.

I have never heard of anyone in the US having capercaillies but if I find them I may have to move out of state to own them. I totally would! Those ptarmigan and grouse. I will see if I can find some pics of my pens but would really do things different if I were building today. I have learned a bit in 20 years of chores! My retirement place will be set up differently and will be expensive! Hardware cloth will be the material of choice for most enclosures. I would have "runs out of 1" PVC coated chicken wire. I have chicken wire (pvc coated) that is 15plus years old and is in great shape even in western WA weather. The standard 2" chicken wire has been replaced once and will be again this year, it does let the snow through so much better though. I would be glad to offer any assistance I can in pen construction once you know what birds you want to get.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: boneaddict on April 14, 2021, 09:16:33 PM
My pens were nothing to look at and I’m sure I tried my best not to photograph them.  They were built out of a lot of recycled materials.   I used reclaimed wood, hand me down posts, or salvaged treated ones.  As I expanded, I split pens.   I built huts using aluminum roofing from a giant pool I salvaged.  I used apple crates turned upside down, I used wooden shipping containers as frames and ply wood.   Some had mini coops in them.   I used pheasant netting and one inch chicken wire.     They were all planted and provided what the birds needed, but all were different.   I did have electricity to them all, and they had heated water dishes and an automatic watering. Many of the hoses were throw aways.  That system worked  Except for winter months.  That was a lot of hand watering.   I had food dishes in all the pens.  I finally converted to hand feeding daily, as birds and rodents loved the smorgasbord.  Feed attracted  Rodents which attracted feral cats and snakes.  I’d fill the dishes if I went on a hunting trip or vacation.   Once  October came around you had to start worrying about snow.     That was a beast.   I’d build a set of pens, then another bank of pens. I had hatching pens and pens for different age groups of different pheasants as they matured.   Many species I had multiple breeders again so I could sell unrelated.    I honestly don’t know what my final count was for pens.   A lot!
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: LDennis24 on April 15, 2021, 07:16:52 AM
Lol, thanks guys! Sounds like it was cool either way. Like I said, I have raised California quail and Bobwhites and have built enclosures before similar to what you describe. I have also bought several dog kennels that were large and covered them with 1" chicken wire. It's amazing how snow will build up on something like that and what it weighs. If you're familiar with where I live I don't get as much standing snow as you guys in the hills. It doesn't stick around nearly as long around here. I'm no stranger to daily watering either. I have about 30+ poultry already. Guineas and silkies and lavender orpingtons. I just got a clutch of French Bresse, of course straight run with one hen and two roosters, last fall as well. Said to be the best tasting chicken in the world. Unfortunately they got frost bite in that cold windstorm we had a few months ago and their feet fell off. Yes fell off. I knew that they had frostbite as their feet swelled with fluid the next day and their pen was the one in the direct line of that wind. It came from the North which is unusual. I tried treatment but only one of them came out ok. The hen. So now I have one guinea with no feet and a few Bresse with no feet that I'm struggling to cull. They will live but the male can't breed now and they will never have quality lives. It takes alot of commitment I know. I also have a dozen lowline galloway that I breed for small acreage and icelandic sheep. And four STUPID goats. My place is a petting zoo basically!
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on April 15, 2021, 01:09:19 PM
Welp, totally coincidentally someone asked if I wanted some Pheasant, said their wife always orders too many.

So I have some Jumbo ringnecks soon lol


They'll be eaters I think
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 15, 2021, 08:18:02 PM
Lol, thanks guys! Sounds like it was cool either way. Like I said, I have raised California quail and Bobwhites and have built enclosures before similar to what you describe. I have also bought several dog kennels that were large and covered them with 1" chicken wire. It's amazing how snow will build up on something like that and what it weighs. If you're familiar with where I live I don't get as much standing snow as you guys in the hills. It doesn't stick around nearly as long around here. I'm no stranger to daily watering either. I have about 30+ poultry already. Guineas and silkies and lavender orpingtons. I just got a clutch of French Bresse, of course straight run with one hen and two roosters, last fall as well. Said to be the best tasting chicken in the world. Unfortunately they got frost bite in that cold windstorm we had a few months ago and their feet fell off. Yes fell off. I knew that they had frostbite as their feet swelled with fluid the next day and their pen was the one in the direct line of that wind. It came from the North which is unusual. I tried treatment but only one of them came out ok. The hen. So now I have one guinea with no feet and a few Bresse with no feet that I'm struggling to cull. They will live but the male can't breed now and they will never have quality lives. It takes alot of commitment I know. I also have a dozen lowline galloway that I breed for small acreage and icelandic sheep. And four STUPID goats. My place is a petting zoo basically!

Sounds like a great place you have for sure!!
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on April 15, 2021, 08:20:06 PM
Welp, totally coincidentally someone asked if I wanted some Pheasant, said their wife always orders too many.

So I have some Jumbo ringnecks soon lol


They'll be eaters I think


KF you will be quite happy with the jumbos! We have raised them for years. They are obviously bigger but also much calmer (as a rule) than standard ringnecks.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: KFhunter on May 18, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
Just got em, hope they do ok.  I have electrolyte water and upland game bird feed. 

Once I get em home in tbe brooder they'll go.

#6 was camera shy




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Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: grundy53 on May 18, 2021, 12:25:39 PM
Question for the experts. What would be some good breeds for the west side? Basically what could handle our moisture?

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Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Special T on May 18, 2021, 01:05:55 PM
The Maynard runs the Washington Brant foundation and has an amazing waterfowl aviary. He has a healthy flock of brant, snow geese, Egyptian geese and Emperors. He also has 2 breeding pairs of Nene the endangered Hawaiian goose.

He has hosted many elementary school feild trips and is an amazing guy to talk to. He can talk with you all things revolving around birds. Ornithology, photography, hunting, decoy carving and collecting...

Some good pics on thier FB page and the web page.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210518/997e9751f598d8917c27933003f23ce3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210518/3a2732bde999c74b2a452cb9386b1f81.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210518/290eca39bb75276b1b4682489a405985.jpg)

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Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on May 18, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
Maynard is one freaking cool guy!!! He has an awesome place for sure and some crazy cool waterfowl. Just good people!!! I am on the list for mandarins and wood ducks form him this fall if all goes well.
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on May 18, 2021, 08:24:26 PM
Question for the experts. What would be some good breeds for the west side? Basically what could handle our moisture?
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Grundy, give a little more info. You want to raise some for yard art? release? food?  There are plenty that will do just fine in our environment with just a little effort in housing them. Would be glad to help out if I knew the direction you were heading  :tup:.   
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: grundy53 on May 18, 2021, 10:22:49 PM
Sorry for being vague. Honestly, not totally sure myself. Probably mainly yard ornaments. I think it looks like a worthwhile hobby and these birds that have been posted look like living art. I've purchased acreage in SW Washington for a retirement property. I plan on being a hobby farmer to keep me busy/active in retirement. I'm thinking I would like to add some birds to my plan. I have quite a few years until retirement but have been working on the infrastructure so that it's ready to go when I retire. Always planning.

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Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Special T on May 18, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
Maynard is one freaking cool guy!!! He has an awesome place for sure and some crazy cool waterfowl. Just good people!!! I am on the list for mandarins and wood ducks form him this fall if all goes well.
He is a prince of a guy and ive not heard an ill word spoken about him. He is a Washington Waterfowlers Association member and ive had a few opportunities to talk with him. He told me he likes the challenge not all that different than trying to raise the perfect specimens of your favored hunting dog. The wide variety of birds he has makes breeding an exceptional challenge. They all have different breeding scheduals according to the photo/light schedual. Then2 breeding pair of Nene are exceptionally difficult because they laid at the same time we have  had late snow. Light manipulation cannot be used because of all thenither birds that would be thrown off, especially the ones that breed in the far north.

Not only does he have lots of different geese but all manner of sea ducks and divers. Scoter, king eider... he told me he was part of a group that was able to get the feed company to produce a sea duck blend for all the divers.

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Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: Birdguy on May 23, 2021, 08:04:00 PM
Sorry for being vague. Honestly, not totally sure myself. Probably mainly yard ornaments. I think it looks like a worthwhile hobby and these birds that have been posted look like living art. I've purchased acreage in SW Washington for a retirement property. I plan on being a hobby farmer to keep me busy/active in retirement. I'm thinking I would like to add some birds to my plan. I have quite a few years until retirement but have been working on the infrastructure so that it's ready to go when I retire. Always planning.

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Grundy reach out with whatever you want to know, if I can be of assistance I certainly will. Thinking ahead will seldom hinder the long term plan!
Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: grundy53 on May 23, 2021, 10:43:32 PM
Sorry for being vague. Honestly, not totally sure myself. Probably mainly yard ornaments. I think it looks like a worthwhile hobby and these birds that have been posted look like living art. I've purchased acreage in SW Washington for a retirement property. I plan on being a hobby farmer to keep me busy/active in retirement. I'm thinking I would like to add some birds to my plan. I have quite a few years until retirement but have been working on the infrastructure so that it's ready to go when I retire. Always planning.

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Grundy reach out with whatever you want to know, if I can be of assistance I certainly will. Thinking ahead will seldom hinder the long term plan!
Thank you very much! I'll do that!

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Title: Re: Galliformes of the world
Post by: jbeaumont21 on May 24, 2021, 09:18:26 AM
I grew up in Iowa during the pheasant haydays of the 80's-90's before the CRP program ended and we used to find a few flocks of these around.