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Title: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 12, 2021, 09:56:12 PM
I have a couple of deer bait stations going and have mineral licks at all of the spots. The bears love to come in flip the *censored* out of the licks and bite my damn cameras.


Anyways, my question is.  Does a mineral lick count as bait?
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: cem3434 on June 12, 2021, 09:58:45 PM
Yes
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: BD1 on June 12, 2021, 10:27:17 PM
If you put something out to attract and animal it is bait...doesn't matter what animal it attacks...still bait
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 12, 2021, 11:37:41 PM
If you put something out to attract and animal it is bait...doesn't matter what animal it attacks...still bait

Good to know, whatís your thoughts on if the bear isnít using it. But there is a game trail heavily used by all the animals and you are out hunting deer and a bear or cougar walks by. Is it not legal anymore just because you are hunting on a bait site even if the bear hasnít used it on camera once?
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: headshot5 on June 13, 2021, 06:17:38 AM
Per the rules you have to be a certain distance away.   
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: h20hunter on June 13, 2021, 07:11:02 AM
Is that distance in writing? I ask because I've never seen it that I recall. I personally wouldn't hunt bear for example until after 30 days after bait depleted if baiting for deer. I've just not seen X amount of time or distance in writing.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Alan K on June 13, 2021, 07:23:57 AM
Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums.  :dunno:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: LabChamp on June 13, 2021, 08:32:18 AM
Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums.  :dunno:

Iíd call WDFW instead of asking on a forum. The way I read the comment above would make me think if I had a deer bait and set up 200 yards away and a bear came in I could shoot. I donít think that would fly if you shot a bear and got checked in that scenario. I could be wrong too. Thatís why itís always better to talk to the source for the straight answer.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 13, 2021, 08:39:06 AM
Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums.  :dunno:

Iíd call WDFW instead of asking on a forum. The way I read the comment above would make me think if I had a deer bait and set up 200 yards away and a bear came in I could shoot. I donít think that would fly if you shot a bear and got checked in that scenario. I could be wrong too. Thatís why itís always better to talk to the source for the straight answer.
I would like to add .........
Get the name of the person you talk to.
Emails are like gold ,cause then you have the answer,name,number,email address,and a very tiny piece of accountability. Proof of contact,ECT,ECT.

With all that said .....
I'm curious what the answer is from  enforcement department would say?

Maybe one of the wardens that are on huntwa will chime in. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

I'm thinking it's all about evidence ,what a warden can prove that you did or didn't do.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2021, 10:06:07 AM
Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums.  :dunno:

Iíd call WDFW instead of asking on a forum. The way I read the comment above would make me think if I had a deer bait and set up 200 yards away and a bear came in I could shoot. I donít think that would fly if you shot a bear and got checked in that scenario. I could be wrong too. Thatís why itís always better to talk to the source for the straight answer.

 :yeah: and get it in writing. I'd assume nothing when it comes to baiting. :dunno:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Alan K on June 13, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go.  The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know.  :dunno:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2021, 12:13:38 PM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go.  The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know.  :dunno:

Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 13, 2021, 03:17:59 PM
This is all good information, I donít want to break any rules. Best part of this is I know the trail he has been using for weeks now. So I could easily go 200 yards up. I will call the area Wdfw and see what they think. And I will let yíall know, I donít think they are open on the weekends but I will try to email them :). But yes paper trails are always good they have saved me a few times now, so I just try to keep them. Even when itís not hunting related :).

Thanks everyone I will update as soon as I get more info.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Alan K on June 13, 2021, 03:36:36 PM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go.  The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know.  :dunno:

Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.

Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2021, 06:45:14 PM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go.  The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know.  :dunno:

Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.

Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?

No, how many?
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: SGTDuffman on June 13, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
Top of page 86.

Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Machias on June 13, 2021, 08:39:45 PM
There is NO distance when it comes to shooting a bear with bait.  If you place a bait and it affects the travel of the bear and attracts it to your bait, it is illegal to take that bear.  I got this straight from a warden a while back.  My scenario was a friend of mine had a deer bait set up, that was quickly taken over by the bears.  He removed all the bait and it appeared the bears had cleaned up the rest, but were still coming by to check it out.  I asked how far away could I set up and not get in a jam.  One of the bears was a HUGE bear.  Didn't matter how far and it didn't matter the bait had been removed or eaten.  He said if the Wardens were watching the site and I ended up shooting a bear that was attracted to the area, I could be cited.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 13, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
Top of page 86.


Top of page 86 .
Tells Alot about deer and elk baiting.
I still have a few questions.

1) Hunting or harvesting a bear over a deer/elk bait site is illegal .
So how far do you have to be from a known bait site?
2)It says above exceptions ,cover scents and scents that can't be consumed are not bait.
Does this apply to just deer/elk baiting?
Can you dump a gallon of just anis oil,or vanilla oil or something like that for bear and not be considered bait.

3)Laws for baiting deer/elk and bear are way different.
Little more specific on that in the regs would be nice.
I'm pretty sure a few bear every year are taken over deer/elk bait sites with no one being the wise.
I guess what I'm saying is ,
A reminder in the deer/elk baiting section saying that these only apply to deer/elk baiting ,Baiting or hunting bears over deer/elk baits is illegal ,that all bear baiting laws still apply at deer/elk baiting sites.And reference to the bear baiting rcw.
Might be a good idea.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: SGTDuffman on June 13, 2021, 10:22:22 PM
Page 68 then. It lists the RCW, which is this. No baiting for bear at all.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245

RCW 77.15.245

Unlawful practicesóBlack bear baitingóExceptionsóIllegal huntingóUse of dogsóExceptionsóPenalties.

(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the killing of black bear with the aid of bait by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent the establishment and operation of feeding stations for black bear in order to prevent damage to commercial timberland.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of bait to attract black bear for scientific purposes.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
(2) Notwithstanding RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to hunt or pursue black bear, cougar, or bobcat with the aid of a dog or dogs.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the hunting of black bear, cougar, or bobcat with the aid of a dog or dogs by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety. A dog or dogs may be used by the owner or tenant of real property consistent with a permit issued and conditioned by the director.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the pursuit, capture and relocation, of black bear, cougar, or bobcat for scientific purposes.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the killing of black bear, cougar, or bobcat, for the protection of a state and/or federally listed threatened or endangered species.
(d) Nothing in this subsection may be construed to prohibit nonlethal pursuit training of dogs by persons selected through the process established in RCW 77.12.077 for future use for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (2) of this section, the commission may authorize the use of dogs only in selected areas within a game management unit to address a public safety need presented by one or more cougar. This authority may only be exercised after the commission has determined that no other practical alternative to the use of dogs exists, and after the commission has adopted rules describing the conditions in which dogs may be used. Conditions that may warrant the use of dogs within a game management unit include, but are not limited to, confirmed cougar/human safety incidents, confirmed cougar/livestock and cougar/pet depredations, and the number of cougar capture attempts and relocations.
(4) A person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. In addition to appropriate criminal penalties, the department shall revoke the hunting license of a person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section and order the suspension of wildlife hunting privileges for a period of five years following the revocation. Following a subsequent violation of subsection (1) or (2) of this section by the same person, a hunting license shall not be issued to the person at any time.
[ 2019 c 226 ß 2; 2005 c 107 ß 1; 2001 c 253 ß 31. Prior: 2000 c 248 ß 1; 2000 c 107 ß 260; 1997 c 1 ß 1 (Initiative Measure No. 655, approved November 5, 1996). Formerly RCW 77.16.360.]
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 01:22:36 AM
There is NO distance when it comes to shooting a bear with bait.  If you place a bait and it affects the travel of the bear and attracts it to your bait, it is illegal to take that bear.  I got this straight from a warden a while back.  My scenario was a friend of mine had a deer bait set up, that was quickly taken over by the bears.  He removed all the bait and it appeared the bears had cleaned up the rest, but were still coming by to check it out.  I asked how far away could I set up and not get in a jam.  One of the bears was a HUGE bear.  Didn't matter how far and it didn't matter the bait had been removed or eaten.  He said if the Wardens were watching the site and I ended up shooting a bear that was attracted to the area, I could be cited.

Thank you for sharing this information, I did reach out to Wdfw. The weird thing is, The bear came in bit my camera and left. Never touched the salt licks or other bait. I have loads of pictures of elk and deer eating the bait. But the trails nearby is heavily used by all the wildlife. There are so many rules as a new hunter that are about as clear as mud. I have never had this problem with fishing yet, but hunting it sure seems like they just donít want you to hunt at all.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 14, 2021, 03:36:12 AM
Looks like my answer is up in the RCW for bear baiting.
If you fart really hard and let a stinker out,and it attracts a bear your baiting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 14, 2021, 05:55:43 AM
No thats a warning shot
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: huntnnw on June 14, 2021, 05:57:54 AM
id be willing to bet a very high percentage of bears killed in WA are going to or from deer and elk baits and hunters have no clue. There are so many deer and elk baits in places its crazy
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Alan K on June 14, 2021, 06:15:55 AM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go.  The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know.  :dunno:

Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.

Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?

No, how many?

I know of two personally just in the Puget Sound area, and the sentiment is widespread. Some are deciding to drag it out if they are close to retirement. The stories are stomach turning what doesn't even get prosecuted.  It is destroys morale when these guys put together seemingly bulletproof cases only to have them dropped. Even when open and shut.  Does WDFW's Facebook page talk about all of these? Share what percentage of their cases actually get heard? I don't have Facebook, but I would guess not...

SGTDuffman's WAC posting there shows exactly what we all know, and the intention of I-655. Getting a judge, or rather prosecutors to take up cases like this is a whole different story. A lot of them want to protect their record to later move into private practice. As subjective as the language is, and hearing about the cases that don't even get the time of day, it would be unlikely they'd want to press it. WDFW needs to define things clearer (or press the powers that be to) or they will continue to get dropped.  The justice system looks for any little reason to drop cases anymore (yes, fish and wildlife cases included), and ambiguity or subjectiveness in the laws are one of their favorite things to point at.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 14, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go.  The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know.  :dunno:

Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.

Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?

No, how many?

I know of two personally just in the Puget Sound area, and the sentiment is widespread. Some are deciding to drag it out if they are close to retirement. The stories are stomach turning what doesn't even get prosecuted.  It is destroys morale when these guys put together seemingly bulletproof cases only to have them dropped. Even when open and shut.  Does WDFW's Facebook page talk about all of these? Share what percentage of their cases actually get heard? I don't have Facebook, but I would guess not...

SGTDuffman's WAC posting there shows exactly what we all know, and the intention of I-655. Getting a judge, or rather prosecutors to take up cases like this is a whole different story. A lot of them want to protect their record to later move into private practice. As subjective as the language is, and hearing about the cases that don't even get the time of day, it would be unlikely they'd want to press it. WDFW needs to define things clearer (or press the powers that be to) or they will continue to get dropped.  The justice system looks for any little reason to drop cases anymore (yes, fish and wildlife cases included), and ambiguity or subjectiveness in the laws are one of their favorite things to point at.

Interesting. I know Todd V. was quite bothered by the system in place. Thanks for your response.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 09:52:43 AM
Looks like my answer is up in the RCW for bear baiting.
If you fart really hard and let a stinker out,and it attracts a bear your baiting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

If it lingered that much, wouldnít that be a shart? Better bring an extra pair of underpants.   :P  Yeah it seems pretty strict, and silly tbh being that there are a lot more bear then people even think in these woods the trail cams tell the true story they are just good at hiding.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 09:57:58 AM
So I got an answer back from Wdfw, if you have bait up even if they havenít been eating the bait itís considered baiting. I asked what if I know the game trail goes back a few miles and I went back and sat on that? They said weíd recommend you pull all bait now until bear season and then if it comes back you can shoot it. But if bait was ever up they think the only reason it would come near is because the bait used to be there. Even though I literally have 300 pictures from this last pull and the bear was never in the bait area just the trail. But the deer and elk were all over it.

So basically, if you were walking to towards your bait and it was 2 miles back but that bear was facing the direction of your bait, it could potentially be perceived as baiting. Would they do anything with something so egregious? Not likely, but itís good to know.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Stein on June 14, 2021, 10:36:35 AM
That's probably one of the reasons stuff doesn't get prosecuted, the law is so poorly written as to be difficult to enforce.  I wonder how many people just bait their buddy's area and then they can easily just say they had no idea it was there.

There really needs to be a distance in the WDFW rules, we all know baiting bears means pretty much shooting them when they are at or 10' away from the barrel of donuts and they could easily issue department rules to make it easy on the legal hunter and warden.  But, they don't which isn't much of a surprise I guess.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 11:37:00 AM
That's probably one of the reasons stuff doesn't get prosecuted, the law is so poorly written as to be difficult to enforce.  I wonder how many people just bait their buddy's area and then they can easily just say they had no idea it was there.

There really needs to be a distance in the WDFW rules, we all know baiting bears means pretty much shooting them when they are at or 10' away from the barrel of donuts and they could easily issue department rules to make it easy on the legal hunter and warden.  But, they don't which isn't much of a surprise I guess.

I agree, too much of a grey area. Shooting something on or over bait, I totally get that. But if it's on the way, and you bump it and get a shot it seems unreasonable to not allow it.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Stein on June 14, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
It was a voter initiative, not WDFW or the legislature, so there seems to be no reason WDFW can't issue a department rule.  The only thing I can think of is they don't want to get sued again by the Center for Biological Diversity.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Farmer72 on June 14, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
So what I hear is if I buy a couple dozen doughnuts and randomly throw them around an area people bear hunt I can turn them in for baiting and maybe get enough points to have a 1% better chance of drawing a moose tag. :chuckle:


And no I wouldn't actually do that.

And I am aware points dont mean *censored* in this state.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
So what I hear is if I buy a couple dozen doughnuts and randomly throw them around an area people bear hunt I can turn them in for baiting and maybe get enough points to have a 1% better chance of drawing a moose tag. :chuckle:


And no I wouldn't actually do that.

And I am aware points dont mean *censored* in this state.

I mean theoretically yes, but if you did that I hope someone poops in your wheaties ;). Being a new hunter, and learning all of this stuff. I definitely see a lot of people heated and upset about the system in general. Me? I am just happy I finally get to go hunting, after 15 years of trying to get out and not knowing where to start I am just super thankful to even have the chance at all.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: slowhand on June 14, 2021, 02:01:08 PM
Tag  ;)
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: 85yota on June 15, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
Hypothetical. what if I bait an area for deer in the timber, where the bears happen to sleep and they wander 50 yards south of the bait going to a field of endless blackberries maybe 150 yards from said bait.. As I sneak into the bait i spot the bear and shoot it.. If u can prove no bear hit your bait from cams or show piles of skate with only seeds and even open the stomach to prove your side is this acceptable..i would argue this all day in court..
As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: 85yota on June 15, 2021, 03:32:06 PM
The real answer is its probably intentionally vague because there would be so many ways around the law if they narrowed it down to much (the caveat is it makes it harder to prosecute said offense)..this law seems very much up to officers discretion and could vary immensely from region to region and even different officers in said region as I would assume most of us if we were wardens would be happy another predator was removed..i hate to say it but this is a dont ask dont tell deal and asking your local warden might put you in a worse position later on.. Seems up to the hunter and the setting to decide if theres a risk and what that might be.. As much I hate to say it because of what was posted earlier about other baits in your area you dont know about
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: idaho guy on June 15, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
I would personally feel comfortable shooting a bear 200 yards or more away from a bait. I baited a really remote unit legally for bear in Idaho a few years ago. I had amazing bait cream pies donuts etc. the huckleberries were out big time and there were many bears around. Only one came to check out the bait for a few minutes. It was easier to shoot a bear away from the bait and they were totally focused on the berries. If you are really only baiting deer or elk and shoot a bear well away from that bait I would hope a warden would use some common sense. If you set a bait and bears are hitting it every day and then sit 200 yards away on a well beaten bear trail. Then youíre breaking the law and should get a ticket. I donít know seems like common sense would keep you out of trouble. I donít know if they are going to write tickets if you are anywhere around any baits that have been in the last month I would bear hunt a completely different area from your deer elk spot. Itís written so broadly that again common sense should apply. you would know 100 percent if the bears were hitting on your baits regular if they are donít shoot. If you randomly bump one well away from bait that seems like fair game ? Interesting topic Iím glad I donít have to deal with it.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: GWP on June 15, 2021, 06:51:44 PM
Looks like my answer is up in the RCW for bear baiting.
If you fart really hard and let a stinker out,and it attracts a bear your baiting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Wife said if I did that it would kill everything within a quarter mile radius!
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: GWP on June 15, 2021, 07:02:58 PM
Some years ago I was scouting one of my old bow hunting areas for bear. Houses had been put into the area so I was curious what it was like.
Went a ways, thought about turning around, then went another 50 feet just over a rise. Big HUGE pile of donuts right on the trail.
I bailed and did not go back even though I saw bear sign.
That is the problem. If I had shot a bear ANYWHERE near that pile, even without knowing about it, I could be cited, or worse. That would suck!
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: 85yota on June 15, 2021, 08:37:50 PM
GWP I guess that is kinda the point.. The law cant be to specific because they could never actually prove it was you who did it (cams maybe but trail cam film is suspect in court).. So they leave it up to the warden, but in your case that would be tossed out of court immediately whether you did or not because there's no proof u placed the bait.. Would love to look up the number of bear baiting prosecutions given out each year that aren't related to poaching
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 16, 2021, 01:21:07 AM
Tag  ;)

No u! Tag :)
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 16, 2021, 01:27:39 AM
I would personally feel comfortable shooting a bear 200 yards or more away from a bait. I baited a really remote unit legally for bear in Idaho a few years ago. I had amazing bait cream pies donuts etc. the huckleberries were out big time and there were many bears around. Only one came to check out the bait for a few minutes. It was easier to shoot a bear away from the bait and they were totally focused on the berries. If you are really only baiting deer or elk and shoot a bear well away from that bait I would hope a warden would use some common sense. If you set a bait and bears are hitting it every day and then sit 200 yards away on a well beaten bear trail. Then youíre breaking the law and should get a ticket. I donít know seems like common sense would keep you out of trouble. I donít know if they are going to write tickets if you are anywhere around any baits that have been in the last month I would bear hunt a completely different area from your deer elk spot. Itís written so broadly that again common sense should apply. you would know 100 percent if the bears were hitting on your baits regular if they are donít shoot. If you randomly bump one well away from bait that seems like fair game ? Interesting topic Iím glad I donít have to deal with it.

Thatís kind of how I saw it, I have proof they never have been on or over the bait. One bear kicked the salt lick and never touched it again. I had 260 photos over 3-4 weeks, 90% were elk and deer with one bear coming down the trail or messing up a tree away from my bait. The game trail is definitely heavily used by all the animals, but I never once saw the bear. And all the bear scat in the area has no corn, or apples. The freshest pile looked to have rabbit fur in it. Time will tell, I will try to use my best judgement my main goal is deer this year and if I get lucky and an elk wanders in I will happily take that. But the bear I will just have to bump him no where near the bait station.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 16, 2021, 01:31:29 AM
GWP I guess that is kinda the point.. The law cant be to specific because they could never actually prove it was you who did it (cams maybe but trail cam film is suspect in court).. So they leave it up to the warden, but in your case that would be tossed out of court immediately whether you did or not because there's no proof u placed the bait.. Would love to look up the number of bear baiting prosecutions given out each year that aren't related to poaching

In my experience, when a law isnít well defined. It makes it hard to prosecute, and from What I have been told by other friends in the police force (obviously not the same). Typically a grey area law, is made because no one really agrees with it. Except the voters, so itís a way to shut the public down because the law exists. But makes it near impossible for any officer to prosecute it due to lots of wiggle room. Anyways, I donít know if thatís 100% true, itís just what I have been told in the past.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2021, 03:22:47 AM
I don't know guys......
That RCW for baiting bears is pretty cut and dry and really has nothing to do with baiting for deer and Elk.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: 85yota on June 16, 2021, 05:57:34 PM
Well thats kinda the point.. Your putting out a deer food block specifically made to attract deer.. Under the bear baiting section it says with the intent to attract a bear which clearly your not.. The law is vague as *censored* and im sure plenty of people skirt around it..
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: GWP on June 16, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
Washington has some pretty goofy rules for hunting and fishing. Makes it difficult to figure out for the Ďnewbiesí that either move here or are just getting into hunting. After a decade or so you start to get a Ďfeelí for it!
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Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Bogie85 on June 18, 2021, 12:44:57 AM
Washington has some pretty goofy rules for hunting and fishing. Makes it difficult to figure out for the Ďnewbiesí that either move here or are just getting into hunting. After a decade or so you start to get a Ďfeelí for it!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤯

Seems about right lol, I am 5 years into hunting and hunting Washington. The mud is slightly clearer,  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 05:31:42 AM
I'm fully aware that most guys that are baiting deer and elk don't want anything to do with baiting bear. Most of us really don't want bears there at all. Eating the food that you lay out for the deer and elk.

With all this talk about it. I'm going to throw a few thing into the pot. I'm not encourage illegal acts.
With that said.......
Can a warden read your SD card.
Is your cam in a lock box.
Is there pics of yourself dropping bait at your site.
Is your bait just salt or mineral or are you dropping sweet cob and deer blocks,Apple scented corn.
Do you post everything you do on Facebook,huntwa,internet ECT.

I ask these because Alot of wardens are not gonna put the time and energy into it.But they will use evidence that is already at your bait site.
With that on the table I believe in accountability,you are responsible for your own actions.

Now ask yourself is it worth it.........
 gross misdemeanor:
A gross misdemeanor is any crime that isn't classified as a plain misdemeanor or a felony in Washington. The maximum punishment for a gross misdemeanor is 364 days in county jail and/or a fine of up to $5,000. Examples of gross misdemeanors include: violating certain provisions in a domestic violence protective order.
Loss of hunting privaleges for 5 years ,possibly your rifle or bow taken as evidence.

Now just to keep this topic going ,I have heard in certain circles of friends. About this person shooting a bear from there deer stand Durring bow season.Im sure it has happened Durring rifle and muzzy as well. Just not enough enforcement to watch the thousands of bait sites all over Washington. I don't believe anybody is baiting bears till the second they drop the hammer on a bear at a bait site.All it takes is that one time that your site is being watched.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 18, 2021, 05:37:46 AM
More so it takes someone to complain about your site and that you are baiting bears. Thats because there isn't enough wardens for them to be out looking for baiting sites. They are too busy with office work and have very little time in the field these days or like I see them doing near me just sitting in the shade in their trucks.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 05:44:20 AM
More so it takes someone to complain about your site and that you are baiting bears. Thats because there isn't enough wardens for them to be out looking for baiting sites. They are too busy with office work and have very little time in the field these days or like I see them doing near me just sitting in the shade in their trucks.
Totally agree .......
Enforcement is stretched thin.
I would rather see enforcement worry about some other issues than deer and elk bait sites.
But we all know you might have one warden look the other way or not give a rats @$!. Then some want first blood and will bend you over for anything.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: dilleytech on June 18, 2021, 09:13:02 AM
To throw another wrench into this discussion. Letís say youíre out huntin,you see bear sign so you sit down and start blowing on your rabbit in distress call. Bear comes running in you shoot it. Just so happens that bear was eating on someoneís deer bait that you were unaware of. Did you just break a law? I assume a warden would say your fine but how do you prove you actually called him in? I think the majority of the time you just donít have to worry about these small things in the laws. If your obviously baiting bear for the purpose of harvesting bear you will get nailed if caught. But how do you get caught? Someone turns you in. What are the odds of that?

If a bear walks by me when Iím out walking in the woods Iím shooting it. If they say that bear was going to a bait Iíll see them in court and likely I will win. But a good warden wouldnít even bother because he probably knows the majority of bears in this state get killed on this sort of fashion and who cares really.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Stein on June 18, 2021, 09:21:34 AM
To throw another wrench into this discussion. Letís say youíre out huntin,you see bear sign so you sit down and start blowing on your rabbit in distress call. Bear comes running in you shoot it. Just so happens that bear was eating on someoneís deer bait that you were unaware of. Did you just break a law? I assume a warden would say your fine but how do you prove you actually called him in? I think the majority of the time you just donít have to worry about these small things in the laws. If your obviously baiting bear for the purpose of harvesting bear you will get nailed if caught. But how do you get caught? Someone turns you in. What are the odds of that?

If a bear walks by me when Iím out walking in the woods Iím shooting it. If they say that bear was going to a bait Iíll see them in court and likely I will win. But a good warden wouldnít even bother because he probably knows the majority of bears in this state get killed on this sort of fashion and who cares really.

You wouldn't be breaking the law.  If you were ticketed you would have the option of paying it or going to court and having the state prove you intentionally baited the bear.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 01:43:47 PM
To throw another wrench into this discussion. Letís say youíre out huntin,you see bear sign so you sit down and start blowing on your rabbit in distress call. Bear comes running in you shoot it. Just so happens that bear was eating on someoneís deer bait that you were unaware of. Did you just break a law? I assume a warden would say your fine but how do you prove you actually called him in? I think the majority of the time you just donít have to worry about these small things in the laws. If your obviously baiting bear for the purpose of harvesting bear you will get nailed if caught. But how do you get caught? Someone turns you in. What are the odds of that?

If a bear walks by me when Iím out walking in the woods Iím shooting it. If they say that bear was going to a bait Iíll see them in court and likely I will win. But a good warden wouldnít even bother because he probably knows the majority of bears in this state get killed on this sort of fashion and who cares really.

You wouldn't be breaking the law.  If you were ticketed you would have the option of paying it or going to court and having the state prove you intentionally baited the bear.
Agreed no not breaking any laws.
But if some circumstances change maybe.
Basically a few things have to happen.

1) You have to set bait.(doesn't matter intended target animal)
2)Be actively hunting bear within a reasonable distance to bait.(Harvest of bear is pretty hard to lie and say not hunting bear)
3)Warden has to prove you did these things.By witnessed it or trail cam or whatever.

So like the story above if a warden could prove those where your bait sites and not just someone's bait site.
That's the difference in the story illegal vs legal.
These are reasons basically to try an avoid being on someone's game came or bait site cam,with bait in your hand.
There are Alot of cams out from Johnny law to timber company's,on and on .I try as hard as I can to avoid others cams.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 01:56:40 PM
I'll throw down a story.
You set a trail cam with salt out today.
Then you go back to check end of July notice you have way to many bears.
Go back August 1 within a 1/4 mile of your cam setup and start blowing a distress call.
Bear come in you shoot it.

End of July warden noticed your truck and finds your cam download pics of you at the site.
Comes back August 1 and see your pickup decided to walk in and talk with ya after hearing a shot.
August only Big game open is bear.

Are you legal vs illegal and why!
To add bear was shot exactly 1/4 mile from bait site,your case and blood show the warden where bear was and from where you shot from.
Salt is a bait.

Tell you guys truth I don't know answer.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Stein on June 18, 2021, 06:52:49 PM
Warden did an illegal search and seizure to get the pics.

That said I wouldnít bait if there was any chance of bear hunting.


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Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on June 19, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
Warden did an illegal search and seizure to get the pics.

That said I wouldnít bait if there was any chance of bear hunting.


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I don't know if warden checking someone's SD card
Would be illegal search and seizure .
Since your game cam is on public land.
Maybe on private land you could say that.
I really don't know though I'm not a lawyer.
That was something I didn't really think about.
That's another circumstance
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Stein on June 19, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
I don't know if WA has any case law or supreme court rulings on it, but other states confirmed a digital camera is the same as a cell phone - no search without warrant regardless of where it is.

Of course, the warden could come up with probable cause whether that's legit or not depends on the warden.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: rickomatic on August 04, 2021, 06:42:48 PM
When I had a couple bears tearing up my bed hives in Snohomish a few years ago I called the Mill Creek WDFW office for some info. The captain in charge told me I was totally within the law to shoot and tag one and that beehives were exempt from the baiting regulations.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: dilleytech on August 05, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
When I had a couple bears tearing up my bed hives in Snohomish a few years ago I called the Mill Creek WDFW office for some info. The captain in charge told me I was totally within the law to shoot and tag one and that beehives were exempt from the baiting regulations.

Yes because they would be considered agriculture. Similar to a Apple orchard. Or alfalfa field.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: spin05 on August 06, 2021, 12:36:40 AM
Back When Champion owned the kapowson tree farm they used to put out bait to keep the bears away from there trees and damaging them. They would pull the bail 2 weeks before the season opened. We where allowed to hunt the same area the bait was in after that.  Now are you going to find that in writing somewhere probly not.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: slowhand on August 06, 2021, 10:51:33 AM
Looking for some input on this one.
So My hunting partner and I will be heading up this weekend to hunt bear in the area where our three bait station/cameras are set up. We have zero plans to hunt over our bait for bear (illegal) but we plan to rebait and pull cards form all three while in the area bear hunting? So..... If we have giant bags of apples strapped to our packs and are carrying our rifle to said bait stations to pull the cards and rebait? All sorts of illegal? LOL
So if we want to rebait and pull cards we need to leave our rifles in the truck hike all the way in to each ( multiple mlles to each one) and burn hunting time?  :'(
I don't see another option? I'm completely new to bait and cameras. so what do you guys do, during this time of the year?
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: HillHound on August 06, 2021, 11:01:11 AM
Yeah I would be sketched out even having a rifle in the truck while preseason baiting for deer during bear season. Definitely sounds like separate trips and may be leaving the rifles in the motel room or something. Really wouldnít want to give yourself a reason to get in trouble especially if youíre not doing something wrong. But putting yourself in the wardenís position youíre gonna look pretty suspicious
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Cougartail on August 06, 2021, 11:05:08 AM
Looking for some input on this one.
So My hunting partner and I will be heading up this weekend to hunt bear in the area where our three bait station/cameras are set up. We have zero plans to hunt over our bait for bear (illegal) but we plan to rebait and pull cards form all three while in the area bear hunting? So..... If we have giant bags of apples strapped to our packs and are carrying our rifle to said bait stations to pull the cards and rebait? All sorts of illegal? LOL
So if we want to rebait and pull cards we need to leave our rifles in the truck hike all the way in to each ( multiple mlles to each one) and burn hunting time?  :'(
I don't see another option? I'm completely new to bait and cameras. so what do you guys do, during this time of the year?

Good God dude! Why on earth isn't your wives/girlfriends carrying the bait?

You really are new to this.. :chuckle:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: buckfvr on August 06, 2021, 11:21:33 AM
If you hunt bear in the area you bait deer, ESPECIALLY apples, and a warden sees it, you will get some time in front of a judge.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: steeleywhopper on August 06, 2021, 12:08:46 PM
At this point I'd probably just stop talking about it and go kill the bear. Loose lips sink ships.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: slowhand on August 06, 2021, 12:19:33 PM
At this point I'd probably just stop talking about it and go kill the bear. Loose lips sink ships.
We have zero interest in breaking the Laws.
Separate trips it will be and best to just leave the bags of apples at home. Sounds like August is a no rebait season.
I'm learning still when it comes to bait and cameras. We have been keeping the bait locations refilled twice a month and have a good consistent group of bulls, bucks (one nice shooter), does, and yes Bears coming in on a regular basis. We just wanted to keep the feed rolling in for them as not to mess up the pattern. We put down feed and within two days they are all over the bait every time.   
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: dilleytech on August 07, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
Looking for some input on this one.
So My hunting partner and I will be heading up this weekend to hunt bear in the area where our three bait station/cameras are set up. We have zero plans to hunt over our bait for bear (illegal) but we plan to rebait and pull cards form all three while in the area bear hunting? So..... If we have giant bags of apples strapped to our packs and are carrying our rifle to said bait stations to pull the cards and rebait? All sorts of illegal? LOL
So if we want to rebait and pull cards we need to leave our rifles in the truck hike all the way in to each ( multiple mlles to each one) and burn hunting time?  :'(
I don't see another option? I'm completely new to bait and cameras. so what do you guys do, during this time of the year?

Just leave your bear tag and gun in the truck and make a bait trip then go hunt a different location.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: Goshawk on August 24, 2021, 10:27:47 PM
I have a couple of deer bait stations going and have mineral licks at all of the spots. The bears love to come in flip the *censored* out of the licks and bite my damn cameras.


Anyways, my question is.  Does a mineral lick count as bait?

If you or a buddy put it there and it attracts wildlife, then yes.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: callturner on August 25, 2021, 07:17:49 AM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: dilleytech on August 25, 2021, 07:39:33 AM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: buckfvr on August 25, 2021, 08:34:24 AM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.

At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free.   :twocents:
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on August 25, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.

At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free.   :twocents:
So what you saying.....
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on August 25, 2021, 10:20:16 AM
I'm just gonna post this as a reminder of what state law says.
And let fellow hunters take responsibility for your own actions.

) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird. (34) "Illegal items" means those items unlawful to be possessed.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx%3Fcite%3D77.08.010%23:~:text%3D(33)%2520%2522To%2520hunt%2522,items%2520unlawful%2520to%2520be%2520possessed.&ved=2ahUKEwjEw7LK1czyAhWsJzQIHR-wDUYQFnoECAMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3uW02Q-4hWnllxFdeos5vX

As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx%3Fcite%3D77.15.245&ved=2ahUKEwiCwNub1szyAhVxHjQIHYoMCMUQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1V1FZZdMKy58UHobgJWWfS

Doesn't matter if you have a tag or not,you can still be "Hunting"

My advise personally,
If your carrying a firearm to check game cams and deer and elk bait spots.
And stoped by warden ,I would make it very clear that your not actively hunting and the firearm is for personal protection.Keep your mouth shut.Let them do there job and prove otherwise.



Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: birddogdad on August 25, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
anything food you take in the woods and dont eat rather leave it there.... pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: slowhand on August 25, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
Both Zack and I have been in to rebait all three of our locations since bear hunting started. We both carry our Glocks as defensive weapon only. Bear tags and rifles stay in the truck while rebaiting. We then move away to a different location to search for bears. Unfortunately we have only spotted one so far and he was running for his life. Seen a few deer, mostly does with fawns. Most have two fawns with them. Thatís a good sign for the future. They sure are little still. Had one at 3 yards balling for its mom. Very exciting experience.
We went up for a weekend bear hunting trip, and brought no bait with us just to be safe.
Animals caught on camera has went down a bit. No elk lately, lots of fawns and does, a couple bucks, lots and lots of bears. Over half the bears we get on camera are sows with two Cubs. Again good news for the future of bear hunting our area. Berries are absolutely everywhere, found multiple bark peals, and a few stumps torn apart with claw marks. No question we are in the correct location for a bear.
Did a few calling sessions with Zackís electronic call. Fawn distress and rabbit, no bears interested.
Planning to switch gears over to archery deer soon as we both have multi season deer tags.

Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: dilleytech on August 29, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.

At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free.   :twocents:
So what you saying.....
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.

Of course you can carry a fire arm. Just donít carry a bear tag. If your headed to check a cam that has salt you really shouldnít have to worry as a game warden wonít assume your baiting bear. If your sitting in a stand over the salt with a gun during bear season and bear tag then donít be surprised to receive a ticket.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: hunter399 on August 29, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.

At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free.   :twocents:
So what you saying.....
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.

Of course you can carry a fire arm. Just donít carry a bear tag. If your headed to check a cam that has salt you really shouldnít have to worry as a game warden wonít assume your baiting bear. If your sitting in a stand over the salt with a gun during bear season and bear tag then donít be surprised to receive a ticket.
It's Alot more than a ticket. Reply #46-page 4
I'm not sure why everybody believe that if you leave the tag in the truck ,your not hunting.
No tag needed in Washington to be "Hunting" in this state.
No tag - not hunting if that was the case ,we would have poachers on every mountain. Cause they wouldn't get in trouble till they downed a animal.
That's not the way it works.
Your body language,what you have in your pack and on your person will be evidence enough.
Example.........
You have a rifle,pack with kill kit,knife,your glassing hillsides,ect,ect.
They can base that your hunting off of that alone,no tag needed,basically doesn't matter if you leave the tag.

You will lose your license for two years.
They will take your weapon and more than likely keep it.
Then you will see a judge and pay fines or whatever.
Page 84 in the regs I believe.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: ridgefire on August 30, 2021, 12:25:50 PM
I have always carried my tag and rifle when checking cameras. My camera takes a picture of me when I show up and then I make sure it takes a picture of me when I leave. Should be enough evidence that I'm not in the act of hunting when switching cards.
Title: Re: What is considered bait?
Post by: dilleytech on August 30, 2021, 01:38:36 PM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear.  Tend your cameras and be on your way .  If I carry  my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.

At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free.   :twocents:
So what you saying.....
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.

Of course you can carry a fire arm. Just donít carry a bear tag. If your headed to check a cam that has salt you really shouldnít have to worry as a game warden wonít assume your baiting bear. If your sitting in a stand over the salt with a gun during bear season and bear tag then donít be surprised to receive a ticket.
It's Alot more than a ticket. Reply #46-page 4
I'm not sure why everybody believe that if you leave the tag in the truck ,your not hunting.
No tag needed in Washington to be "Hunting" in this state.
No tag - not hunting if that was the case ,we would have poachers on every mountain. Cause they wouldn't get in trouble till they downed a animal.
That's not the way it works.
Your body language,what you have in your pack and on your person will be evidence enough.
Example.........
You have a rifle,pack with kill kit,knife,your glassing hillsides,ect,ect.
They can base that your hunting off of that alone,no tag needed,basically doesn't matter if you leave the tag.

You will lose your license for two years.
They will take your weapon and more than likely keep it.
Then you will see a judge and pay fines or whatever.
Page 84 in the regs I believe.

True you can be cited as hunting without a tag, that seems to obvious. But you do have to have your tag and license on your person to legally harvest an animal. As you are legally required to tag your animal immediately at the time of the kill. Not after you get back from hiking to your truck to retrieve your tag.
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