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Title: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 01, 2021, 06:53:21 PM
I've recently retired and been away from any big game hunting for 30 years. Bought a Weatherby 06 and spend some time sighting in and general practice... I'm coming to the realization I'm not the young man I was, after about 50 rounds, I could barely handle the recoil (and a lingering shoulder ache for last two days). I'm wondering about some of the recoil suppression options. Any suggestions or guidance, I'm have a hard time managing my flinch now.

Any thoughts?  off in about 3 weeks for a bear hunt and would like to be more comfortable with my gun.

Thanks ...appreciate any thoughts, other than hang it up old man!

Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: jrebel on August 01, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
Does it have a threaded barrel?  If so, I would get a muzzle break.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 01, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
What weight bullet?
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Bob33 on August 01, 2021, 07:08:22 PM
50 rounds is quite a bit. You might try shooting a light bullet weight: 165 grains instead of 180, 150 instead of 165 etc. Also consider limiting your practice sessions to fewer rounds.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 01, 2021, 07:09:16 PM
Why were you compelled to shoot 50+ rounds.
You can ease into your practice.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 01, 2021, 07:12:29 PM
Less is more.

I did shoot a CMP match with a 1903. I was a mess at the end of it.

Donít feel bad and definitely donít hang it up!
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Alchase on August 01, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
As Jrebel says
A muzzle break will reduce recoil, but at the cost of your hearing, LOL

Seriously they do help, just know, no one will love you at the range.

If a Weatherby 30.06 (very decent rifles) is giving you recoil issues, it might be time to look to a .243 or similar round.

PS: 50 rounds out of a hunting rifle is a lot to handle in one range visit.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2021, 07:13:41 PM
Shoot a .300 Rum 50 times and you will enjoy going back to an 06   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 01, 2021, 07:15:29 PM
Shoot a .300 Rum 50 times and you will enjoy going back to an 06   :chuckle:

Or even an early .300 WM Sendero.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Dan-o on August 01, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
I don't enjoy shooting more than about 20 out of my 7MM Mag.

I've take to shooting a lot more 223 and 6.5 Grendel - both of which you can shoot all day.

There's something to be said for being familiar with your rifle, but developing a flinch is no good.

If you can afford to, I'd consider getting a very mild recoiling rifle for most practice.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Igor on August 01, 2021, 07:30:07 PM
When shooting at the range I take a kid's soccer shin guard (the foam pad kind) and put it inside my long-sleeved shirt as a kind of recoil pad.  I use a safety pin to hold it in place.

First of all, nobody can see it and call you a "pansy".  It is totally invisible to the casual observer.

Secondly, it will soak up virtually all of the recoil of an '06.........I use it when shooting my .300 Win Mag.

Thirdly, I would advise against practicing with other guns because they have "less recoil".  Practice with the gun that you will be hunting with.

I have been using this technique for many, many years.  It will make range-time almost enjoyable......trust me.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Platensek-po on August 01, 2021, 07:37:12 PM
A wise man once told me to shoot more often not to shoot more. When your hunting you will never be firing 50 rounds. Or at least I hope not. Go shoot a couple groups then go again the next day. Spend more time on each round controlling your breathing, steadying yourself and being more aware of how you shoot. Get a routine for each shot so that you are more consistent. Practice shooting more rounds with a lighter caliber and work on the same things as when shooting your hunting rifle.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Skillet on August 01, 2021, 07:54:58 PM
 :yeah: to all the above.

I usually bring a .22 to the range to shoot between my 30-06 groups. Helps with trigger control, breathing exercises, not developing a flinch, and lets the barrel cool.  No point in practicing with a hot barrel if your groups move at all because of it.  I've had a few guns with thin barrels that started walking all over when they heated up.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: jasonstevens on August 01, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
If you can find it you can buy reduced recoil ammo. That might help if you want to.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: mtnhntr on August 01, 2021, 07:59:44 PM
I used an 06 for many years and as I grew older the recoil was not fun on the range like you have experienced. Don't notice it in the field though. I switched to a 7mm-08 and that is my go to rifle for deer size animals. Can't tell the difference in killing power. Still have the 06, but it is pretty much a safe queen. I would suggest you try a smaller caliber and see how you like it.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: ghosthunter on August 01, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
I used an 06 for many years and as I grew older the recoil was not fun on the range like you have experienced. Don't notice it in the field though. I switched to a 7mm-08 and that is my go to rifle for deer size animals. Can't tell the difference in killing power. Still have the 06, but it is pretty much a safe queen. I would suggest you try a smaller caliber and see how you like it.

Exact same for me.
Bought a 110 Storm in 7mm o8 last year at 69.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: mazama on August 01, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
A Past recoil pad or past slipon recoil pad,my 338 rum had a hard pad and my first session bruised me from center of chest to elbow,the past helped quite a bit,but later put on muzzle break.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: cooltimber on August 01, 2021, 10:21:43 PM
Limbsaver recoil pad., I use it on my 7mm.No regrets.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Taco280AI on August 01, 2021, 10:50:47 PM
Don't shoot 50 rounds in one session. 20 max.
Go to a lower weight bullet if able.
Use a lead sled or similar art the range.
Practice with a 22 or even a pellet gun to get rid of the flinch.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: EmeraldBullet on August 01, 2021, 11:43:36 PM
I dont get to go as often as I would like so if im going im gonna let loose 100+ rounds at the range. I actually enjoy a little shoulder bruise from it the next day though. Guess it'd be different for me if I could go more often. I miss where I lived in SO and you could use your rifle to cut down a small tree off your front porch and no one cared.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: rasbo on August 02, 2021, 04:15:23 AM
125 grain helps and it works awesome on deer. 50 rounds? Holy raspberry Batman, lol as stated shoot less but more often. 30-06 is a great caliber
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Jingles on August 02, 2021, 05:18:27 AM
I can understand shooting numerous rounds with your anticipated hunting weight bullet for sightingin a new scope or working up a load if a reloader but that would be a total of 12 to 15 rounds max. IMO 50 rounds per session is being a masochist with a heavy hitter.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 02, 2021, 06:41:28 AM
Everyone,

Thank you for you comments, very helpful and I'll start with the easiest and a reasonable recoil pad. As most of you implied 50 rounds was a lot, and rather expensive. Part of that was a lack of experience in sighting in my scope and as a few of you might surmise, frustration. I started on 165's and ended with the  bear load I'll be using 180's, felt compelled to put 3 in the black before I left for the day. But at that point I'm sure I was tossing rounds and not shooting.

I appreciate the comments of less is more and will be a bit more judicious and less obsessive.  Anyone ever mounted a Falcon Strike? Rather expensive but possibly a placebo for my mental block!

Thanks guys for taking the time to respond.. I am looking forward to getting back into the hunt..
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: bobcat on August 02, 2021, 06:45:40 AM
You don't need 180 grain for bear. I'd use a quality 150 grain bullet. That would help a lot with reducing the recoil.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RobinHoodlum on August 02, 2021, 07:05:37 AM
I had recoil issues with my .06 years ago after about 10 shots, though never considered shooting more than a dozen rounds. From personal experience I can reiterate the comments about how swapping in a limbsaver and shooting a lighter round can make a world of difference.

Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: jrebel on August 02, 2021, 07:17:48 AM
Though I agree going to a lighter bullet will lessen felt recoil.....it is likely not enough to help in and of itself.  Here is a chart I found online and the difference in 180 and 165 is negligible.  Same could be said for 150's, though the recoil velocity looks to be substantially less. 

http://www.twoamendments.com/post/rifle-recoil-table-sortable
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Rob on August 02, 2021, 08:22:32 AM
When I am shooting a lot, or have one shot that triggers a nerve in the shoulder, I use a sissy pad. 

It really helps! 

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Igor on August 02, 2021, 08:29:47 AM
If you are going to be experimenting with different bullets, and different bullet weights, I would recommend that you acquire some ballistic charts.  You will find differences in the ballistics between the 180 gr. and the 165 gr. are negligible.  However, the 150 gr. is a dog ballistically, and the 125 gr. is even worse.  In fact, at 300 yards, the retained energy of the 125 gr. falls below what is considered the minimum for humane kills on deer and bear sized animals.

Have fun, and stay safe.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 02, 2021, 08:54:49 AM
I had recoil issues with my .06 years ago after about 10 shots, though never considered shooting more than a dozen rounds. From personal experience I can reiterate the comments about how swapping in a limbsaver and shooting a lighter round can make a world of difference.

Thanks... Yeah I seem to have been a little too assertive, such is my personality, you'd think wisdom and patience would reign in my later years.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 02, 2021, 09:02:28 AM
When I am shooting a lot, or have one shot that triggers a nerve in the shoulder, I use a sissy pad. 

It really helps! 

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899

Thank you Rob,

I assume that you do not use this in the field and do you feel that it interferes with the the parallax? My scope is very precise and was a difficult to acquire the target. Appreciate the link. Frankly I didn't feel much of a difference from 180 to 165, so with my skill set take the 180 as I'll likely need as much lead as possible in my target..

Rod

Rod
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 02, 2021, 09:05:16 AM
125 grain helps and it works awesome on deer. 50 rounds? Holy raspberry Batman, lol as stated shoot less but more often. 30-06 is a great caliber

I was living on past experience and had always shot the 06 because of the bullet diversity.. and yeah 50 was a little over the top..

Thx!
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Skillet on August 02, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
When I am shooting a lot, or have one shot that triggers a nerve in the shoulder, I use a sissy pad. 

It really helps! 

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899

I have this same pad. It's been referred to as my "Kotex" at the range  :chuckle:, but it's all in fun.  I last used it getting a 375 h&h zeroed in, and was very glad I had it.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: hunter399 on August 02, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
I also can relate to your situation,sounds like some pretty good advise so far.

If I was to shoot 50 out of my 7 mag ,my shoulder would hurt . My shoulder starts to hurt at 20.
It only takes one shot out hunting,maybe two :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I do believe my shooting improves with smaller calibers.
So just keep in mind ,that it happens to everybody.
Sounds like a good excuse to buy another gun... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 02, 2021, 09:12:44 AM
I also can relate to your situation,sounds like some pretty good advise so far.

If I was to shoot 50 out of my 7 mag ,my shoulder would hurt . My shoulder starts to hurt at 20.
It only takes one shot out hunting,maybe two :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I do believe my shooting improves with smaller calibers.
So just keep in mind ,that it happens to everybody.
Sounds like a good excuse to buy another gun... :chuckle:
I dont get to go as often as I would like so if im going im gonna let loose 100+ rounds at the range. I actually enjoy a little shoulder bruise from it the next day though. Guess it'd be different for me if I could go more often. I miss where I lived in SO and you could use your rifle to cut down a small tree off your front porch and no one cared.

I hear you!.. I grew up in rural SW Idaho and we'd go jack rabbit hunting, pistols, shotguns, 22-250, 22's and 06's.. The population one year was so bad the rancher would give us ammo money because they were decimating his hay crop. It was rather freakish... like working out and sore muscles, would bring a smile a few days later.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 02, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
If you are going to be experimenting with different bullets, and different bullet weights, I would recommend that you acquire some ballistic charts.  You will find differences in the ballistics between the 180 gr. and the 165 gr. are negligible.  However, the 150 gr. is a dog ballistically, and the 125 gr. is even worse.  In fact, at 300 yards, the retained energy of the 125 gr. falls below what is considered the minimum for humane kills on deer and bear sized animals.

Have fun, and stay safe.

Thanks Igor,  I appreciated your earlier comment on practicing on the gun you're going to shoot, other than the extreme to a 22, which my brain and body knows, not much trouble with a 22. But then again I've not shot one since my 50 round day..
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Igor on August 02, 2021, 09:38:47 AM


Thanks Igor,  I appreciated your earlier comment on practicing on the gun you're going to shoot, other than the extreme to a 22, which my brain and body knows, not much trouble with a 22. But then again I've not shot one since my 50 round day..

You are welcome, Rod.  I'm glad that some of my comments made sense to you.  You will get lots of comments and opinions here, and it can be a little overwhelming.  Sounds like you are on the right track to finding what you need. 

Take care.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Rob on August 02, 2021, 11:14:33 AM
When I am shooting a lot, or have one shot that triggers a nerve in the shoulder, I use a sissy pad. 

It really helps! 

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899

Thank you Rob,


I assume that you do not use this in the field and do you feel that it interferes with the the parallax? My scope is very precise and was a difficult to acquire the target. Appreciate the link. Frankly I didn't feel much of a difference from 180 to 165, so with my skill set take the 180 as I'll likely need as much lead as possible in my target..

Rod

Rod


Only at the range, and only when shooting big-bores or if a smaller rifle hits that one specific nerve in my shoulder!   (probably the one I damaged shooting big bores from the bench without a sissy pad!)

I have yet to even register recoil when hunting in the field.  I am usually so focused on my shot, and so excited/hit with buck fever that I don't usually even remember the shot.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: RodR on August 03, 2021, 10:23:17 AM
When I am shooting a lot, or have one shot that triggers a nerve in the shoulder, I use a sissy pad. 

It really helps! 

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899

Thank you Rob,


I assume that you do not use this in the field and do you feel that it interferes with the the parallax? My scope is very precise and was a difficult to acquire the target. Appreciate the link. Frankly I didn't feel much of a difference from 180 to 165, so with my skill set take the 180 as I'll likely need as much lead as possible in my target..

Rod

Rod


Only at the range, and only when shooting big-bores or if a smaller rifle hits that one specific nerve in my shoulder!   (probably the one I damaged shooting big bores from the bench without a sissy pad!)

I have yet to even register recoil when hunting in the field.  I am usually so focused on my shot, and so excited/hit with buck fever that I don't usually even remember the shot.

Although I've not hunted game in many years, I'm a better shot in the field than at the range, at least on the opportunities I had... I have 64" moose antlers in my rec room.... it was a beast. I was 26 in the Brooks range. It was once in a lifetime, at an early age. Funny thing was I had a chance to shoot a caribou a couple of days later and I was so exhausted from 13 3 mile hikes the previous days. I couldn't summon the energy!

Thanks for you assistance..

Rod
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: Rob on August 03, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
Sounds like a good story!  You should post that with photos in a new thread

I was hunting with a buddy of mine a while back.  We were fortunate to each take 5-10 animals in the span of a few days.  He was mostly a target shooter with a little hunting on the side.  What he came to realize was that Minute of deer is a much bigger target that what he was shooting for on paper.  i.e. with a 8 inch heart/lung target, there is more margin of error than what he was use to with driving to sub-MOA groups.  Which is good because field shooting generally increases group sizes 2-3x over bench shooting due to odd angles, odd shooting positions, weather, buck fever, etc
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: thinkingman on August 04, 2021, 09:53:28 PM
As Jrebel says
A muzzle break will reduce recoil, but at the cost of your hearing, LOL

Seriously they do help, just know, no one will love you at the range.

If a Weatherby 30.06 (very decent rifles) is giving you recoil issues, it might be time to look to a .243 or similar round.

PS: 50 rounds out of a hunting rifle is a lot to handle in one range visit.

Yup.
Get a brake if you want to damage your hearing and everyone around you.
50 rds is a pretty long session for a hunting rifle.
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: bearpaw on August 04, 2021, 10:05:41 PM
I don't like breaks either, I suffer hearing loss because of them. I like the option of loading some 110ish to 130ish grain Barnes, an 06 will shoot them with the speed and flat trajectory of a varmint rifle, the bullet stays in one piece, hits hard, goes all the way through, kills like a charm, very little recoil because of the light bullet! A good option to consider? :dunno:
Title: Re: Recoil on an 06
Post by: konradcountry on August 06, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Don't brake it. Way too loud and ruins the nice crack of the 06. Just get the recoil pad.

I agree with the guy that said to get a 7-08. You can get a Ruger American on gunbroker for around $450.

I shoot mine offhand a lot better than an 06. In fact I don't normally take a shooting stick when hunting with it.
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