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Title: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: swanderek on October 04, 2021, 07:19:51 PM
Butcher and Taxedermy couldnít give me an exact answer. I know the I5 rule but I really canít tell.
It was shot around orting
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: swanderek on October 04, 2021, 07:22:45 PM
More pics
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: HntnFsh on October 04, 2021, 07:35:25 PM
Roosevelt.
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: huntnfmly on October 04, 2021, 07:50:53 PM
Rosie for sure
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Post by: furbearer365 on October 04, 2021, 08:19:16 PM
100% Rosie
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: swanderek on October 04, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
How can you tell?
Is it mostly Rosie or rocky around orting and eatonville?
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Post by: teanawayslayer on October 04, 2021, 08:40:15 PM
I say Rosie as well. That thing has a tank for a body.
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Post by: MADMAX on October 04, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
Dead  :chuckle:
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Post by: Platensek-po on October 04, 2021, 08:54:33 PM
either way nice bull!
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: ASienkiewich on October 04, 2021, 09:38:06 PM
If youíre around eatonville or orting I think the are Cascade Roosevelts. Hybrids lol


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Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: MADMAX on October 04, 2021, 09:58:49 PM
 :yeah:
I was told same thing on a bull I killed in the Margaret
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: RB on October 04, 2021, 10:06:34 PM
Nice Bull!
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 04, 2021, 10:57:14 PM
If youíre around eatonville or orting I think the are Cascade Roosevelts. Hybrids lol

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No crown, it's a cross.
If the main beam whale tails instead of crowning...
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It's rocky dominant.
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East of I-5, it doesn't matter.
Won't count as a Roosevelt , won't count as a rocky (unless it's 350+)
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Who cares?
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Nice bull, but those antlers are not Roosevelt, and body only means it ate good.
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Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: wadu1 on October 04, 2021, 11:05:08 PM
Maybe a Benchleg  :dunno:
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 04, 2021, 11:06:37 PM
The Roosevelt Elk, named for Theodore Roosevelt, is the largest of the four remaining North American elk subspecies.  Males (bulls) average 875 pounds, but bulls weighing nearly 1300 pounds have been found in Alaska.  Females (cows) average 700 pounds.  These elk also have the largest antlers of all elk species, reaching lengths of up to four feet with a distinctive three-point tip, or crown and the end.  The Roosevelt Elk is also much darker than other elk species, often with a dark brown or even black neck and a tan body

Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
It's an elk, the hunter is the only one who can say what it was.
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It is not a Roosevelt, unless it was west of I-5, and unless it had crowns, I would say it's genes were rocky.
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But really, who cares?
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It's not going in a record book.
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Nice Elk, and congratulations to the hunter.
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Cylvertip on October 05, 2021, 12:28:49 AM
Hybrid with mainly Rosie genes.  That is why the I-5 boundry.  Back in the day, elk from Yellowstone and other areas East were transplanted on the West slope of the Cascades to supplement those herds ( which were,  I am sure, already partially hybridezed, but were mainly Rosie genes) .  That is why the boundary is where it  iis now.  Human intervention caused further hybridization.  Northwest Big Game classifies them Cascade Roosevelts.
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: C-Money on October 05, 2021, 06:49:49 AM
Like said above, I think Benchleg fits. Sure is a nice bull with characteristics of both Rocky & Rosie. Congrats on a great bull!
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: metlhead on October 05, 2021, 06:56:54 AM
Submit a sample in for a Geschmacks test. I'll give you the address, and it will require about a 2.5lb prime cut off the rump.
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: elkrack on October 05, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
Submit a sample in for a Geschmacks test. I'll give you the address, and it will require about a 2.5lb prime cut off the rump.

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Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Lumpy Taters on October 05, 2021, 08:11:06 PM
Where did this west of I-5 rule come from ?   I have seen a whole lot of elk east of that highway that are all Rosie in appearance.   How many generations of mixed breeding before the few Rocky genes are so minuscule that they won't be dominant anymore?    Looks like a nice elk to me and I would love to have taken it.
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Cylvertip on October 05, 2021, 08:19:50 PM
Record Books. Boone and Crocket, Pope and Young, etc
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Post by: bigbore40 on October 05, 2021, 08:45:21 PM
Rocky or rosie
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: bigbore40 on October 05, 2021, 08:46:28 PM
Rocky or Rosie?
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Post by: bigbore40 on October 05, 2021, 08:50:34 PM
Rocky or Rosie? All of these bulls were within a mile of each other
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Tinmaniac on October 05, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Rocky or rosie
[/quoteLooks like classic West of I -5 timberland to me,so Rosie.
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Tinmaniac on October 05, 2021, 09:28:32 PM
Rocky or rosie
[/quoteLooks like classic West of I -5 timberland to me,so Rosie.
The dark antler bull
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Dan-o on October 06, 2021, 12:42:41 AM
Nice bull!
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: Lady Grouse hunter on October 06, 2021, 07:08:55 AM
HMM, Great question? Uhh I'd say A rocky Mntn. Bull.
Rosevelt's are manely West of the main Puget sound BUT they can swim over!  :bdid: :tup:
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: bigbore40 on October 06, 2021, 09:58:28 AM
Rocky or rosie
[/quoteLooks like classic West of I -5 timberland to me,so Rosie.



These are east of I5 but not high into any portion of the cascades and roughly 35-40 miles as the crow flies to any portion of the pacific crest trail. I don't care what any of the record books say in regards to location to I5 and what sub-species they consider the elk to be. I've hunted all up and down the west side of the cascades and without a doubt some areas the bulls are Rocky's but other areas the bulls are roosies. Giving consideration to body size, antler characteristics, and the color of the bulls. So I say I5 is irrelevant in determining sub-species and look at the elk in the area your hunting and the heards ability to migrate (if they do) to the Eastside.  All the bulls I posted in previous posts are without a doubt roosies regardless of how they would be placed in any of the record books. 
Title: Re: This a rocky or Rosie bull?
Post by: highside74 on October 06, 2021, 10:21:22 AM
Anything east of I-5 and more than a typical bulls range west of the PCT, I call a Cascade Roosevelt.
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