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Title: goat question
Post by: kkc66 on April 20, 2022, 08:59:39 AM
what is the easiest goat  unit to hunt  goat in if your big guy If I draw :chuckle: ? I was a lot smaller 20 years ago when i stated to put in for a goat tag 
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2022, 09:22:50 AM
This is something that people don't like to talk about but kind of needs talked about. I think so many guys aren't honest with themselves about their physical abilities. At some point people need to call it on applying for these type of hunts (not saying you specifically kk, just a general statement). These are very special hunts. Hunts 99.9% of us will never hunt in our lifetimes, so I urge everyone to self reflect on their own capabilities and if you think you can tackle it go for it and if you are lucky enough to draw, do the tag the justice they deserve. Put in the work. Shoot, get in shape, and scout. And if need be solicite help from others.

I'd be willing to bet a decent percentage of applicants have no business applying for goat tags from a physical stand point. I'm not familiar with any of the northern goat units but as for the yakima area they are all pretty darn physical. I wouldn't put any one easier than the others.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: 2MANY on April 20, 2022, 09:28:56 AM
I would apply in a unit that you can hire an outfitter in.
Have said guide haul your a$$ up to a tent on a horse and then walk a ridge.
Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2022, 09:31:33 AM
I would apply in a unit that you can hire an outfitter in.
Have said guide haul your a$$ up to a tent on a horse and then walk a ridge.
Just my 2 cents.
agreed. Probably should have added "be willing to pay up" to my list of do whatever it takes to honor the opportunity  :tup:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: brocka on April 20, 2022, 09:34:31 AM
This is something that people don't like to talk about but kind of needs talked about. I think so many guys aren't honest with themselves about their physical abilities. At some point people need to call it on applying for these type of hunts (not saying you specifically kk, just a general statement). These are very special hunts. Hunts 99.9% of us will never hunt in our lifetimes, so I urge everyone to self reflect on their own capabilities and if you think you can tackle it go for it and if you are lucky enough to draw, do the tag the justice they deserve. Put in the work. Shoot, get in shape, and scout. And if need be solicite help from others.

I'd be willing to bet a decent percentage of applicants have no business applying for goat tags from a physical stand point. I'm not familiar with any of the northern goat units but as for the yakima area they are all pretty darn physical. I wouldn't put any one easier than the others.

Man, this sure is the truth. I know of guy that had a Yakima area tag a couple years ago, drove up to his hunt area and basically said "no way". Luckily a buddy wouldn't let him do that and they killed a goat. It would have been a wasted tag had it not been for a generous hunter.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 20, 2022, 09:37:09 AM
Goats and easy aren't used in the same sentence..

Roll the dice on a unit. If you draw you have 4-5 months to get in goat shape..

Good thing is you have so low a chance at drawing that it's probably a non issue..I know...cold hearted..

I'm just bitter for 25 year's of not selected... :chuckle: :'(
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: hunterednate on April 20, 2022, 09:37:31 AM
This is something that people don't like to talk about but kind of needs talked about. I think so many guys aren't honest with themselves about their physical abilities. At some point people need to call it on applying for these type of hunts (not saying you specifically kk, just a general statement). These are very special hunts. Hunts 99.9% of us will never hunt in our lifetimes, so I urge everyone to self reflect on their own capabilities and if you think you can tackle it go for it and if you are lucky enough to draw, do the tag the justice they deserve. Put in the work. Shoot, get in shape, and scout. And if need be solicite help from others.

I'd be willing to bet a decent percentage of applicants have no business applying for goat tags from a physical stand point. I'm not familiar with any of the northern goat units but as for the yakima area they are all pretty darn physical. I wouldn't put any one easier than the others.

x2 on this. I drew the Mt. Margaret tag in 2019 and it pushed me to my physical/mental limit. And I was 31 and regular workouts plus intensive mountain-specific training for four months leading up to the hunt! Would definitely not apply for a tag if long hikes/carrying loads/climbing aren't in your capability range right now. An outfitter might make it doable if there are goats accessible by horse and your guide can do the recovery/packing for you.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: RB on April 20, 2022, 10:12:09 AM
Boulder River North would be my guess. Drew the tag in 2016, walked the trail to Goat Flats on Three fingers and shot a near nine inch Billy. Having a trail to work from really helps! I did spent a few months dieting and stair climbing so that helped. I was 47 at the time and it really kicked my ass, even after working out. I did it solo and it took nine hours to get back to my truck on the pack out. Had to drop equipment halfway was just too much, my pack was over 100 pounds, and I was hand carrying a bag of stuff that would not fit on, or in my pack.

Biggest thing I would do different is spend more on a bigger pack, and use walking sticks. When I went back a couple days later to retrieve my gear I brought them along and was a huge improvement getting up the trail.  :twocents:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Meow on April 20, 2022, 10:26:07 AM
Start eating right and exercising now. Even if you don't draw you'll be in better shape for next year, and for the tags that you do have this year.

I've seen a good amount of mountain goats over the years, and none have been in areas that are particularly easy to get to, particularly if you're in poor condition and are carrying the gear necessary for even a day hunt, let alone a backpack hunt. Sure, some have been near or even on popular hiking trails (the goats are attracted to bodily fluids), but they have all entailed considerable elevation gain.

If you're not in excellent condition you need to start the season as early as possible, when it's possible to get to the trailheads closest to the areas the goats hang out, and when travel will be as easy as possible (e.g. on dry ground).
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: teanawayslayer on April 20, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
No such thing as an easy goat hunt. If your coming here asking this question it would be a no brainer. Don’t apply
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: jackelope on April 20, 2022, 10:49:06 AM
Boulder River North would be my guess. Drew the tag in 2016, walked the trail to Goat Flats on Three fingers and shot a near nine inch Billy. Having a trail to work from really helps! I did spent a few months dieting and stair climbing so that helped. I was 47 at the time and it really kicked my ass, even after working out. I did it solo and it took nine hours to get back to my truck on the pack out. Had to drop equipment halfway was just too much, my pack was over 100 pounds, and I was hand carrying a bag of stuff that would not fit on, or in my pack.

Biggest thing I would do different is spend more on a bigger pack, and use walking sticks. When I went back a couple days later to retrieve my gear I brought them along and was a huge improvement getting up the trail.  :twocents:

I think I heard there was a newer washout on the road in that adds several miles to the trek in.

@addicted
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Jpmiller on April 20, 2022, 10:53:15 AM
Blazed ridge but you'll need the auction or the raffle tag.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Chukarhead on April 20, 2022, 11:06:04 AM
Chasing goats was the most physically demanding and mentally exhausting experience of my life.  I made my piece with the potential for dying a swift death (gravity, rock) on day one.  The next six days didn't get any easier.  It's one thing to look at them from steady footing, it's another to actually get to the business of hunting them.  I thought I was really, really ready...I wasn't.  If you think you aren't ready...you really aren't.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: hunterednate on April 20, 2022, 11:26:55 AM
Chasing goats was the most physically demanding and mentally exhausting experience of my life.  I made my piece with the potential for dying a swift death (gravity, rock) on day one.  The next six days didn't get any easier.  It's one thing to look at them from steady footing, it's another to actually get to the business of hunting them.  I thought I was really, really ready...I wasn't.  If you think you aren't ready...you really aren't.

Have you made a post about your hunt? If so, I'd love to read it! Sounds like quite the adventure.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 20, 2022, 12:22:42 PM
I hope alot of the high point holders will start dropping out as they realize they wont be able to handle the rigors of a  goat hunt in this state.  None of them are easy.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 20, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
I hope alot of the high point holders will start dropping out as they realize they wont be able to handle the rigors of a  goat hunt in this state.  None of them are easy.

Hey now..let's not get crazy  :chuckle:
Looking at 2020 points distribution there's maybe a couple dozen people in the state with more points than me...I'm not getting out of the game yet...of course the top points guys rarely draw....so I think I've missed that sweet spot in the draw. 
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
I'm at max points and I'm fairly positive I'll stay at max points until I age out or move away 😪
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: bobcat on April 20, 2022, 12:52:15 PM
Yeah with goat I don't think points matter much. Looks like odds of about 1 in 1300.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: trophyhunt on April 20, 2022, 12:54:31 PM
There is one hunt I'd consider easy when it comes to goat hunting, but I apply for it so I won't say.   :chuckle: It's not easy like anyone can do it, but compared to the rest, a guy in decent shape can do it. 
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Jpmiller on April 20, 2022, 01:05:43 PM
Yeah with goat I don't think points matter much. Looks like odds of about 1 in 1300.

I'm drawing one of them this year so please.adjust your odds to account for one less tag for the rest of you  :chuckle:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on April 20, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
Mr 66.

I have drawn 2 goat tags.   I was 24 on the first, and 44 on the second.  They are a fascinating animal to pursue.  They often are a bit cocky by simply bedding down in some super steep cliffs ledges where no sane man should pursue😳.  Having said that, they are easily spotted, and with time on your side, you can usually find a nice billy in a safer spot.  This is not an easy hunt, but neither is elk hunting after 5 seconds after opening day😂.   The best thing is to be good shape, and be able to kill the toughest animal pound for pound on the earth.   They simply don’t want to die, and will do a death dive if given the opportunity :yike:   I wish every hunter who wished to hunt goats got the chance.  Nothing quite like it :tup:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Igottanewknee on April 20, 2022, 08:34:56 PM
A buddy drew a tag in the early 90's I believe. Somewhere near Snoqualmie I think. Drove his truck up past some loggers who ask what he was up to because deer or elk weren't open yet. He told them he and another friend were going to go shoot a goat. Naturally they laughed at him, but 5 hours later he drove back past them with a goat in the truck. I think it was a nanny... He and the friend were in no special shape. He parked the truck, got out and left the buddy behind (he was a smoker) and shot it within an hour. Waited for buddy to help pack it out and were driving back down within 3 hours or so... at least that's what he said happened. He brought the hide and head into the work site on Monday. The other guy complained about having to do the work but didn't get to see it happen. We were building metal buildings at the time so maybe that's is why he was in good enough shape.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on April 20, 2022, 09:04:03 PM
Yeah with goat I don't think points matter much. Looks like odds of about 1 in 1300.

Points matter, but your odds still suck.  I have 27 sheep points.  Squared that’s 729 against the guy that has 1.  Having said that, my odds of drawing still suck big time :yike:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: actionshooter on April 20, 2022, 09:37:31 PM
Man... I REALLY hate to be THAT guy.... but when I am 85 and finally draw, I am going to say neener, neener, neener and die trying to just get to the trailhead... BUT, I'll have a tag :) :)
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: nwwanderer on April 22, 2022, 07:20:56 AM
The hunting was great, fun, interesting, fulfilling, exciting and more.  The pack outs?  Be careful out there
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Britt-dog on April 26, 2022, 04:19:59 PM
Ive had three Goat hunts, they are never easy. The last one was Idaho last year. There were four tags in my unit and the surrounding units combined. Two were filled, and two went unfilled. I shot a nice ten inch billy and the other was a four inch nanny. The other tag holders were at least somewhat serious at goat hunting, as they chose to apply for goat over sheep or moose. Point is a lot of guys plan on goat hunting but really aren't capable when the time comes. If you draw you have to make it happen.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: GOcougsHunter on April 26, 2022, 04:45:22 PM
I drew a Hamma Hamma archery tag in my mid twenties...  Lots of brawn... but no brains... Hunted like a total idiot and pushed every goat within 15 miles back into the Olympic NP.  I am much older now and have lots more brains (patience)... less brawn.  I just hope when my second chance comes that I can do the permit justice.  There will inevitably be a point where I will stop putting in.  That will be a sad day.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: RB on April 26, 2022, 08:06:59 PM
Ive had three Goat hunts, they are never easy. The last one was Idaho last year. There were four tags in my unit and the surrounding units combined. Two were filled, and two went unfilled. I shot a nice ten inch billy and the other was a four inch nanny. The other tag holders were at least somewhat serious at goat hunting, as they chose to apply for goat over sheep or moose. Point is a lot of guys plan on goat hunting but really aren't capable when the time comes. If you draw you have to make it happen.


 :yeah:

Had a few guys that said they would go with on the hunt then backed out last minute, I went anyway, like you said, you have to make it happen! I have not been that mentally and physically drained in a long time, but it was worth every second!
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on April 26, 2022, 09:24:09 PM
I drew a Hamma Hamma archery tag in my mid twenties...  Lots of brawn... but no brains... Hunted like a total idiot and pushed every goat within 15 miles back into the Olympic NP.  I am much older now and have lots more brains (patience)... less brawn.  I just hope when my second chance comes that I can do the permit justice.  There will inevitably be a point where I will stop putting in.  That will be a sad day.

Great post.  I summited the Brothers 3 times, and yes, that’s some brutal Country.   Hope you get your chance to even the score with billy goat gruff :tup:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2022, 05:03:52 AM
Yeah with goat I don't think points matter much. Looks like odds of about 1 in 1300.

Points matter, but your odds still suck.  I have 27 sheep points.  Squared that’s 729 against the guy that has 1.  Having said that, my odds of drawing still suck big time :yike:
and you were very close last year!!  But one year I was first looser, following year, around 2,000  :chuckle: with over 20 points!
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on April 27, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
Yeah with goat I don't think points matter much. Looks like odds of about 1 in 1300.

Points matter, but your odds still suck.  I have 27 sheep points.  Squared that’s 729 against the guy that has 1.  Having said that, my odds of drawing still suck big time :yike:
and you were very close last year!!  But one year I was first looser, following year, around 2,000  :chuckle: with over 20 points!


TH........Thanks for being the score keeper :bash:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: WAcoueshunter on April 27, 2022, 06:41:58 PM
Man... I REALLY hate to be THAT guy.... but when I am 85 and finally draw, I am going to say neener, neener, neener and die trying to just get to the trailhead... BUT, I'll have a tag :) :)
  :tup:

That’s what I’m thinking too. Maybe I’ll have some grandkids to haul me up there!



Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Stein on April 27, 2022, 10:18:53 PM
Well, considering that the odds to draw actually go down every year, you are more likely to draw this year than when you are 85.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Igottanewknee on May 01, 2022, 09:43:04 AM
So what you're saying is, although I'm 65, if I put in for the first time now, I have a better chance?? That's it, I'm putting in this year...then never again. Just might get lucky.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 01, 2022, 10:15:20 AM
Got to do it once in 1984, friend drew a tag, I got a refund and paid fuel...
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Toughest hunt I ever did.
.
You think elk like to die in some nasty places?
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I was happy just to get off that cliff..
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on May 01, 2022, 05:41:15 PM
Got to do it once in 1984, friend drew a tag, I got a refund and paid fuel...
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Toughest hunt I ever did.
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You think elk like to die in some nasty places?
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I was happy just to get off that cliff..

If that ain’t the truth.  In 84, I was super excited and called Rocky Spencer who was the bio in Pratt River unit.   He gave me some good advice, but the last thing he said was, don’t hunt goats alone, and be super careful because no goat is worth your life :yike:     
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: 22shtur on May 08, 2022, 10:47:36 AM
In 1998, I went with a friend to glass his unit, to find the goats and pick a route. It was heavy fog, but we could see the ridge above the fog. We located them on the ridge and went back to the truck to get our stuff. When the fog lifted around the truck, we saw a billy lying about 50 yards north of the truck sleeping. It was a big one. My friend is always saying; if it weren't for dumb luck, he wouldn't have any luck.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: actionshooter on May 17, 2022, 08:34:46 PM
Man... I REALLY hate to be THAT guy.... but when I am 85 and finally draw, I am going to say neener, neener, neener and die trying to just get to the trailhead... BUT, I'll have a tag :) :)
  :tup:

That’s what I’m thinking too. Maybe I’ll have some grandkids to haul me up there!





I have twin grandsons who are 4 years old... training them little buggers up just for that.. LOL   :)
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: DeerThug on May 17, 2022, 09:29:21 PM
I would say that a goat hunt is about as physical as you can get.  That said there are places you can get to with moderate physical / age ability and still be successful.  In my hunt I spent every weekend the summer before honing in on where I was going to hunt.  What i learned was that they do spend most of the time out on the cliffs, but at some point cross over the ridge where the feed is.  This is where access to them is a little easier.  Figure this out and it is doable.  Good gear is what i would say is key - something that was lacking.  I had 4 other guys with me and with the 5 of us it was still a lot of work.  I chose to go early, the later in the season the more of a challenge you have.

But I do also agree with the sentiment that if you are not physically able or willing to actually put in the work, then yes do a self assessment and please bow out of the draw. 

Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Cylvertip on May 18, 2022, 01:54:07 AM
Boulder River North would be my guess. Drew the tag in 2016, walked the trail to Goat Flats on Three fingers and shot a near nine inch Billy. Having a trail to work from really helps! I did spent a few months dieting and stair climbing so that helped. I was 47 at the time and it really kicked my ass, even after working out. I did it solo and it took nine hours to get back to my truck on the pack out. Had to drop equipment halfway was just too much, my pack was over 100 pounds, and I was hand carrying a bag of stuff that would not fit on, or in my pack.

Biggest thing I would do different is spend more on a bigger pack, and use walking sticks. When I went back a couple days later to retrieve my gear I brought them along and was a huge improvement getting up the trail.  :twocents:

I think I heard there was a newer washout on the road in that adds several miles to the trek in.

@addicted

Yeah, the bridge at Canyon Creek is impassable now. Mile marker 8.5 I believe.  That only puts you about halfway in to the trailhead. The good news is that you have 8.9 more miles to gain the next 1300 ft while on the road.  Then I think it is about another 8 in on the actual trail......
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Flaming Antler Outdoors on May 18, 2022, 07:19:54 AM
A lot of talk about the guy that likely can't do a goat hunt, what about all the guys that could do (1) day and likely wake up the next day and be so sore they would bow out :chuckle:  If you got weak ankles or knees or back?  Don't even try! Best thing a person could do is go up to goat country this summer for a day and take a look. 
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Jpmiller on May 18, 2022, 08:11:09 AM
A lot of talk about the guy that likely can't do a goat hunt, what about all the guys that could do (1) day and likely wake up the next day and be so sore they would bow out :chuckle:  If you got weak ankles or knees or back?  Don't even try! Best thing a person could do is go up to goat country this summer for a day and take a look.

What if it's my hips that always get sore first? Will I be ok?
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: millerwheeler on May 18, 2022, 09:20:11 AM
I think there are several hunts some people can’t physically and or even mentally do
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: GOcougsHunter on May 18, 2022, 09:56:25 AM
I think there are several hunts some people can’t physically and or even mentally do
  I couldn't agree more.  And that statement isn't even just for goats.  There are a ton of elk, deer and other permits which are very difficult for many different reasons.  I make sure that all of the hunts I apply for have a reasonable chance at doing the permit justice either physically or securing access.  I have talked to quite a few folks out of putting in for permits that look fantastic, but in reality would be a whole pile of suck for them.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 18, 2022, 05:05:57 PM
Could be why there are no disability goat permits?
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: teanawayslayer on June 13, 2022, 08:36:52 PM
Could be why there are no disability goat permits?
:chuckle:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: addicted on February 16, 2023, 01:38:23 PM
Boulder River North would be my guess. Drew the tag in 2016, walked the trail to Goat Flats on Three fingers and shot a near nine inch Billy. Having a trail to work from really helps! I did spent a few months dieting and stair climbing so that helped. I was 47 at the time and it really kicked my ass, even after working out. I did it solo and it took nine hours to get back to my truck on the pack out. Had to drop equipment halfway was just too much, my pack was over 100 pounds, and I was hand carrying a bag of stuff that would not fit on, or in my pack.

Biggest thing I would do different is spend more on a bigger pack, and use walking sticks. When I went back a couple days later to retrieve my gear I brought them along and was a huge improvement getting up the trail.  :twocents:


It's 10 miles of walking/mountainbiking mostly uphill on a gravel road after the washout. Then you are at the trail head and its 2900ft/7 miles to the goats. I came in from the north, the east, SE and SW. The shorter the route, the steeper and more bush whacking it is. Dropped my rifle and my pack off a 50ft cliff trying to get out once. Gotta be an easier unit.

Its a mute point though, there was a massive die off up there and I doubt the hunt will continue. I only saw a handfull of goats the last 3 years. When I drew in 2018 i saw 140+.

I think I heard there was a newer washout on the road in that adds several miles to the trek in.

@addicted
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Mfowl on February 16, 2023, 04:13:15 PM
What promotes a big die off in mountain goats? Harsh weather/snowfall? Are they susceptible to disease like wild sheep? Just curious, not  goat hunter.
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on February 16, 2023, 06:55:09 PM
What promotes a big die off in mountain goats? Harsh weather/snowfall? Are they susceptible to disease like wild sheep? Just curious, not  goat hunter.

Read the book: A beast the color of winter.   The author lives with these magnificent creatures for 7 years and documents their behavior from birth to death.  They have a high mortality rate due to several factors, one being they end up falling to their death more than one thinks.  I have drawn and hunted goats twice in Washington.   They like to perch themselves on high steep shelves that no hunter in his right mind will attempt to scale, thus can result in a dangerous hunt.   Out of all of my hunts, my Billy I took in the Pratt river back in 84 on a solo hunt will be forever be my most cherished hunt.   

Bryan
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 16, 2023, 08:44:14 PM
What promotes a big die off in mountain goats? Harsh weather/snowfall? Are they susceptible to disease like wild sheep? Just curious, not  goat hunter.

Read the book: A beast the color of winter.   The author lives with these magnificent creatures for 7 years and documents their behavior from birth to death.  They have a high mortality rate due to several factors, one being they end up falling to their death more than one thinks.  I have drawn and hunted goats twice in Washington.   They like to perch themselves on high steep shelves that no hunter in his right mind will attempt to scale, thus can result in a dangerous hunt.   Out of all of my hunts, my Billy I took in the Pratt river back in 84 on a solo hunt will be forever be my most cherished hunt.   

Bryan
I don’t know what you’re talking about, they usually stay on pretty flat ground in my experience!😂
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Falcon on February 16, 2023, 08:57:41 PM
What promotes a big die off in mountain goats? Harsh weather/snowfall? Are they susceptible to disease like wild sheep? Just curious, not  goat hunter.

Read the book: A beast the color of winter.   The author lives with these magnificent creatures for 7 years and documents their behavior from birth to death.  They have a high mortality rate due to several factors, one being they end up falling to their death more than one thinks.  I have drawn and hunted goats twice in Washington.   They like to perch themselves on high steep shelves that no hunter in his right mind will attempt to scale, thus can result in a dangerous hunt.   Out of all of my hunts, my Billy I took in the Pratt river back in 84 on a solo hunt will be forever be my most cherished hunt.   

Bryan
I don’t know what you’re talking about, they usually stay on pretty flat ground in my experience!😂


No shizzz…….. :chuckle:
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 16, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
What promotes a big die off in mountain goats? Harsh weather/snowfall? Are they susceptible to disease like wild sheep? Just curious, not  goat hunter.

Read the book: A beast the color of winter.   The author lives with these magnificent creatures for 7 years and documents their behavior from birth to death.  They have a high mortality rate due to several factors, one being they end up falling to their death more than one thinks.  I have drawn and hunted goats twice in Washington.   They like to perch themselves on high steep shelves that no hunter in his right mind will attempt to scale, thus can result in a dangerous hunt.   Out of all of my hunts, my Billy I took in the Pratt river back in 84 on a solo hunt will be forever be my most cherished hunt.   

Bryan
I don’t know what you’re talking about, they usually stay on pretty flat ground in my experience!😂


No shizzz…….. :chuckle:
funny thing is, this is less then a mile from the front porch of our cabin. 
Title: Re: goat question
Post by: Jpmiller on February 17, 2023, 06:36:49 AM
I feel like almost everytime I find a goat my initial thought it he must get airlifted in and out of there, it looks like a vertical cliff face. Watching those things pick a path through there is amazing and I'm constantly expecting to see it tumble down to it's death. Havent seen it yet though.
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