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Equipment & Gear => Power Equipment & RV => Topic started by: trophyhunt on July 05, 2022, 02:18:10 PM
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I’ve never had a problem towing my 29’ trailer before, this weekend going up chinnok pass I had to pull over and let my tranny cool down :bash:. Changed the fluid and filter about 40,000 ago, fluid looks and smells fine. Looking at some YouTube videos it might be debri in my cooler. Anyone have any ideas?? Thinking of just replacing the cooler and bottom cooler line, is that easy??? Or am I missing something ?
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How hot, Jerry? Do you have a digital readout gauge?
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Not digital, just the gauge on the dash, said 275-280 ish
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I can hear the fan kick on, which lowers the water temp but not the tranny
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That's hot. I would guess a blockage, but other's will know more.
Good luck!
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A blockage makes sense to me, and new stock GM coolers are only 154.00 on rockauto. It’s an easy thing to check off the list anyway, not sure how tough the job is.
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Bullet proof it!
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If you really hit 275-280 odds are that you are going to lose a seal or two at some point. At those kinda of temps auto trans tend to not last very much longer at all. Definitely sounds like a blockage or trans was not locked up! Not sure how the fluid smelled ok at those temps. The fluid is cooked for sure.
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flush, blow out cooler. I would put big cooler on but would think duramax has it ??? TruCool Max 40,000lb units are best I've found.
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It's an Allison should have a big cooler on it...mine did anyway.
And ya...fluid is cooked. If your gauge is accurate... normally she'll start slipping at those temps...
Flush, fluid, filter and cross your fingers
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:yeah:
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It should be a stock cooler, which I would think is a good one. but I've heard flushing is a joke?? I bet it would cost more to flush than just replace, IF i can replace it myself?? I'm going to replace the fluid and filter this weekend, then when it's empty try to pull the bottom line off and see if I can look for debris. I sure hope it's not ruined, allison is the best is all I've heard, I hope it's tough enough to handle a little heat. I guess if I start seeing fluid on the ground I'm screwed, maybe I can sell it to Mags or another liberal, that way I can sleep at night. :chuckle:
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Dropping the pan only drops about 1/2 the fluid.
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Dropping the pan only drops about 1/2 the fluid.
it’s been a while but isn’t there a plug to drain it all?
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Dropping the pan only drops about 1/2 the fluid.
it’s been a while but isn’t there a plug to drain it all?
It won't all ever drain...lines are full. Torque conv is full...flush is the only way to expell all the old fluid....
If you mess it up I'll buy it from ya...since it's got an LBZ in it... :chuckle:
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If the cooler is partly plugged, will a flush get it all out?
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Just curious how many miles on yours.
I also have a 2006 Duramax /Allison.
Just got back from Colorado yesterday.
About 88K miles on it now.
17.3 MPG to Colorado and back, cruise set at like 72.
I was disappointed in that.
Sorry for the thread jack.
I will be following
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Replace that fluid asap, it’s trashed
Buy a larger pan to hold another gallon of fluid and don’t worry about trying to upgrade a cooler right now. Unless you can’t unplug it, if it really is plugged.
I got a larger pan on my Cummins last year and rarely exceed 175 while towing 8k up cabbage hill in the summer.
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162,000 on the truck, coach was saying the cooler is prob fine, he recommends changing inside and outside filters, as well as fluid. Also check lines to make sure they aren’t kinked and pull return line and start engine, fluid should pump out pretty good. I like the idea of a bigger pan! I was going slow up chinook, coach was saying that hill is a bad one, steep and low speeds can heat up tranny.
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First of all if it was at 280 degrees it is likely toasted. Fluid is junk for sure. Second idiot light gauges arent that accurite. Third you SHOULD smell it if its burnt. Smell it, does it stink or normal odors? Your clutch linings will literally be falling apart if ya bake em at 280 so I was told by expierenced tran tech years ago. I would look at cooler plug from dirt bugs etc. Also is fan working properly at temp? Example my Ram never exceeds 170. I just did Blewitt with toy hauler loaded at speed in heat as well. With price of fluids and such I would spend my $ at GOOD tran shop for diagnoses if needed. :twocents:
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Fluid doesn’t smell bad, had another guy smell it as well, he thought it smelled normal. I’m hoping my gauges are off. My fan kicks on and cools the water temp very well.
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Those temps dont sound right. 100 over ambient is normal temp for an Allison. If the fluid doesnt smell burnt it probably isnt. You have to drop the pan on those. No drain plug. The internal filter is considered a lifetime filter. Saying that I dropped my pan and and changed the filter on my LBZ last year. When you change the spin on, only run Allison filter and make sure the magnet is in place. You can do a double dump on the tranny fluid if your concerned. Dump, fill, run a bit, dump, and fill again. Considered to be as close to 100% new fluid as you can get. Ive heard good and bad about bigger pans. Dont really think they are the cats meow myself, but thats just me. You get that extra gallon of fluid hot its going to take longer to get it cool.
Go over to the Duramax forum and ask questions or do a search. Lot of very knowledgeable people over there to help you out.
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I would call the folks at Puyallup Transmission. I'm on my second Duramax and tug alot. They have ALWAYS been good with my Transmission problems no matter which vechile I own and never have oversold me. AT A minimum flush and have them pull the pan. Chinook Pass is not that bad of a tug so get it checked out. Happy Trails.
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Did you figure anything out Trophyhunt?
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Yes, well, actually no I guess. lol. So this weekend I changed the inside and outside filters and changed the fluid. I was gonna take a pic of the fluid but I was just too covered in it. The fluid didn't look bad to me, didn't smell burnt. I'm not sure why it got hot, but I don't think it got as hot as my gauge said. Maybe it was a combo of things, steep hill at low speeds, old fluid??? Not sure, but I ran it this weekend and its smooth as always. I'm pulling my trailer up to buck creek this weekend, I'll give her hell on the way up and see what happens. I did pull a hose off the tranny cooler outlet, and ran the motor. It's definitely not plugged, pushed out about 5 quarts in 20 seconds, no kinked hoses.
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Must be the gauge huh? Chevys are famous for their gauges going wonky? Electrical snafus?
My 2010 Colorados rpm gauge quit working at around 50,000 miles, soon after the engine temp gauge started to read inconsistently. Rather then buy a new gauge cluster for $900-$1500( depending on who you talk to) I bought a Scan Gauge II($200 ish) and have it plugged in and mounted below the AC controls so i can keep an eye on the engines temp.
Good luck
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Must be the gauge huh? Chevys are famous for their gauges going wonky? Electrical snafus?
My 2010 Colorados rpm gauge quit working at around 50,000 miles, soon after the engine temp gauge started to read inconsistently. Rather then buy a new gauge cluster for $900-$1500( depending on who you talk to) I bought a Scan Gauge II($200 ish) and have it plugged in and mounted below the AC controls so i can keep an eye on the engines temp.
Good luck
:yeah: I've had my cluster rebuilt on my 05 as it was doing weird stuff for a while. (like oil pressure gauge running the gamut.....0 to pegged speedometer losing 50 MPH at highway speeds.) Since there is a low oil pressure alert that was not going off I didn't go bonkers. No problem with the 07 yet
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My fuel level gauge has been acting up as well the past couple years.
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Depending on what year you have, change your fuel pump as soon as possible.
My fuel level gauge has been acting up as well the past couple years.
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Look up how to clean your cooling stack. Maybe the cooler is plugged with bugs and debris and such blocking air flow. It's an issue on anything, but I think I've heard these trucks are more prone to this becoming an issue. Stuff accumulates between the cooler and the radiator and blocks air flow. Trans fluid goes through the radiator part of the radiator as well in that truck.
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Depending on what year you have, change your fuel pump as soon as possible.
My fuel level gauge has been acting up as well the past couple years.
its an 06, I shouldn’t have any issues with my fuel pump. But yeah, other years certainly have issues there.
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Look up how to clean your cooling stack. Maybe the cooler is plugged with bugs and debris and such blocking air flow. It's an issue on anything, but I think I've heard these trucks are more prone to this becoming an issue. Stuff accumulates between the cooler and the radiator and blocks air flow. Trans fluid goes through the radiator part of the radiator as well in that truck.
thanks for that video, certainly will do what they did!!
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Depending on what year you have, change your fuel pump as soon as possible.
My fuel level gauge has been acting up as well the past couple years.
its an 06, I shouldn’t have any issues with my fuel pump. But yeah, other years certainly have issues there.
Instrument clusters are popular, just sayin...
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Depending on what year you have, change your fuel pump as soon as possible.
My fuel level gauge has been acting up as well the past couple years.
its an 06, I shouldn’t have any issues with my fuel pump. But yeah, other years certainly have issues there.
Instrument clusters are popular, just sayin...
With the proper gear...one could actually diagnose it rather than throw parts at it....
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Depending on what year you have, change your fuel pump as soon as possible.
My fuel level gauge has been acting up as well the past couple years.
its an 06, I shouldn’t have any issues with my fuel pump. But yeah, other years certainly have issues there.
Instrument clusters are popular, just sayin...
With the proper gear...one could actually diagnose it rather than throw parts at it....
That's weird :dunno:
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Are you guys saying check for codes, no check engine light came on?
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Are you guys saying check for codes, no check engine light came on?
No.
In terms of your fuel gauge, I'm saying that you should diagnose it rather than shotgunning a fuel pump or an instrument cluster at it. It won't necessarily have codes and even if it does have codes, the check engine light is not always going to come on.
Regarding your transmission, I'd probably due the trans flush and the filters, and then I'd check and make sure the cooling system components are free of the debris buildup that blocks air flow as it seems to be an issue with these trucks, then I'd tow the trailer and see how it goes. I'll add that I would definitely flush it with a flush machine or another way of actually getting all the fluid out of everything. IF you're just draining what you can, you're not going to help it.
:twocents:
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Gotcha! The fuel pump is working fine, i was told it's most likely the fuel sending unit and that it's inside the fuel tank. Not sure what's easier, taking the bed off or lowering the tank?? Thought about just cutting a hole in the bed of the truck above where the access is to the sending unit, then just tack weld or JB weld it back. It's very intermittent, hasn't stopped working now for at least a year, of course now that I said that.....
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Gotcha! The fuel pump is working fine, i was told it's most likely the fuel sending unit and that it's inside the fuel tank. Not sure what's easier, taking the bed off or lowering the tank?? Thought about just cutting a hole in the bed of the truck above where the access is to the sending unit, then just tack weld or JB weld it back. It's very intermittent, hasn't stopped working now for at least a year, of course now that I said that.....
Yep.
With a scan tool, you can see if the sender is working or if it's the cluster. It would suck to cut a hole in the bed of your truck and replace the sender only to find out that that's not what was wrong with it.
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Ok, thanks Josh
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While I agree something seems amiss, 275-280 isn’t gonna hurt anything for a few minutes pulling Chinook pass. Long term of course those temps will be detrimental.
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Generally speaking, tranny fluid would like to be at 170F. Beyond that it's properties break down and are not recovered by lowering temperature, i.e. over temped fluid is permanently degraded. The level of degradation increases exponentially with temperature. The chart below is pretty typical regarding the effects of temperature on fluid. Personally, I pull over if my tranny gets to 225F. If it hit 275F I would be changing fluid at the next available opportunity. A tranny fluid change is obviously way less money than a new tranny.
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I should look into after market gauges, I just don't trust the idiot stock ones. I pulled it this weekend but only an hour away and no steep hills, it seem to do fine but the temp got to 250 if the gauge was correct, didn't even go over 200 on the way home.
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You can put an Edge Insight in it for less than gauges and monitor a whole lot more. They seem pretty accurate in my 06.
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I have an edge ll, put it on the tranny fluid temp this weekend, also had a lazer heat gun to check the tranny itself. Gauges seems to be spot on, only pulled the trailer about 15 miles, slight short hills and my temp went up to 205. Not sure what that means. I have an appointment at Puyallup transmission Thursday to do a diagnosis. Hopefully I’ll get some solid answers. Looks like I can get a brand new custom performance tranny for $3,000. That’s a relief, I thought a tranny would have cost me $10,000.
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I'd be a little concerned about the quality of a $3000 Allison transmission.
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I'd be a little concerned about the quality of a $3000 Allison transmission.
:yeah: X20K
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I will try and find the link, but we looked up custom, rebuilds, new and the prices ranged from 1,200 to 6,000. I'm not getting a rebuild IF I do need a tranny, heard too many horror stories.
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Here is one that is beefed up with a bigger oil pan, and that price included the 2,100 core charge.
https://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/1064734bm/
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What are your guises thoughts on a rebuilt tranny?
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The thing for me is that transmission at that price sends my red flag radar in to overdrive. At a minimum I would be reading every review I could find. I also always encourage people to buy local if possible. If there is an issue at least there is someone you can look in the eye, not some joker clear across the country that says "no problem, just pull it out and send it back, we'll take a look at it". :twocents:
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Look up how to clean your cooling stack. Maybe the cooler is plugged with bugs and debris and such blocking air flow. It's an issue on anything, but I think I've heard these trucks are more prone to this becoming an issue. Stuff accumulates between the cooler and the radiator and blocks air flow. Trans fluid goes through the radiator part of the radiator as well in that truck.
On a side note, I wonder if that cooling fin spray for home AC units would work on cleaning radiators? Or is there a good spray for automotive use?
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Find a old maintenance person and see if they have any coil cleaner laying around. Used in the airhandlers of the buildings. You can cut it down with water and it will knock the crud off the coils.
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I hope if it’s as simple as dirty fins on my cooler, the tranny guy cleans it, I can only hope it’s that easy!! 🙏
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I'd be a little concerned about the quality of a $3000 Allison transmission.
Most definitely
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What are your guises thoughts on a rebuilt tranny?
Done by someone who knows what they’re doing they’re great. But you can’t think of it as a cheap solution. It might be less expensive than a new tranny, but if it done well with quality parts it shouldn’t be cheap.
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Very few of the new transmission your looking at are new, new rebuild yes but doubt your getting a new tranny for that cheap nor would I trust one that cheap.
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I’ve worked at domestic dealership service departments pretty much my whole adult life. Almost 100% of the time the transmissions that are sold by the manufacturer(ford, Chrysler, GM) are remanufactured. They’re almost never new. Engines are the same.
I had the transmission in my 06 Expedition rebuilt by the trans tech in my shop and I spent almost $1000 just on parts, and that was replacing the parts that were bad along with an overhaul kit and a torque converter. I can’t figure out how you’re buying an entire Allison for $3k.
What’s the warranty on it and who pays labor if it fails? Make sure you read the fine print on that. You’ll have a warranty that covers $50 in labor per hour and you’re working with a shop that’s $150-200/hour.
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Here is one that is beefed up with a bigger oil pan, and that price included the 2,100 core charge.
https://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/1064734bm/
Does this mean they want some remote trans fluid filter installed in your truck in order for them to honor the warranty?
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I have an 05 myself 190k and counting clean cooling stacks don't flush tranny, it's not recommended for an allison. Only a drain and fill. Only use allison filters nothing aftermarket make sure you have the magnet on ext filter and fill tranny with Transynd
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I have an 05 myself 190k and counting clean cooling stacks don't flush tranny, it's not recommended for an allison. Only a drain and fill. Only use allison filters nothing aftermarket make sure you have the magnet on ext filter and fill tranny with Transynd
I've replaced both filters, and the magnet was intact and clean, used fluid recommended and filters. Hoping puyallup transmission come up with something other than an tranny replacement. Not sure josh about that outer filter, I'm not going that route with that tranny, it looks good and cheap but I want to stay local.
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Before ya blow $$ verfy it isnt your TQ converter wearing out building excess heat? Check clutch wear? Bands? A new one may not be needed yet is all Im saying. A good shop, not a replace n charge shop. :twocents:
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I’ve heard good things about Puyallup transmission, will a diagnosis tell if it’s just the torque converter ??
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If they are still there, ABC in Tacoma did great work for me about 9 years ago.
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I’ve heard good things about Puyallup transmission, will a diagnosis tell if it’s just the torque converter ??
I just received a recommendation for there as well, I'm following to see how your experience goes. Need some stuff checked out on my 95 F250
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they are still a good transmission shop but they arent building alot of the trannys anymore, they use and sell alot of jasper reman transmissions, which is a good thing imo
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Just talked to Ricky at Puyallup trans, what a great guy! He drove it around, had his scanner on it, looked at the fluids and listened to the info I have on it. Bottom line, he thinks the tranny is fine, my fluid looks and smells good, torque converter had zero slip. He thinks maybe having old fluid in it that day it got hot and the fact it was a hot day pulling up the pass might had made it get warm. He thinks I’m good to go, I might put a bigger pan on it the next fluid change, but I guess I’ll pull the trailer over to moose camp in Oct and see what happens. Actually I’ll do a test run next weekend when we go camp at lake Silvia. I’m gonna trust what he’s saying, seems like a great guy, I guess time will tell. I really appreciate ALL the info and ideas, now I’ll just run it till it breaks!! And hopefully get a few years out of it, certainly ain’t spending 80k or more on a new truck! He also said a new rebuilt by jasper for my truck would be about $6k, that’s better than 10k!
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That's good news.
I was thinking that if there were issues with your tranny you would know it.
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That's good news.
I was thinking that if there were issues with your tranny you would know it.
that was in the back of my mind the whole time, zero issues when driving it by it’s self, sifts like a dream still. Hope it was just small things that added up.
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Just talked to Ricky at Puyallup trans, what a great guy! He drove it around, had his scanner on it, looked at the fluids and listened to the info I have on it. Bottom line, he thinks the tranny is fine, my fluid looks and smells good, torque converter had zero slip. He thinks maybe having old fluid in it that day it got hot and the fact it was a hot day pulling up the pass might had made it get warm. He thinks I’m good to go, I might put a bigger pan on it the next fluid change, but I guess I’ll pull the trailer over to moose camp in Oct and see what happens. Actually I’ll do a test run next weekend when we go camp at lake Silvia. I’m gonna trust what he’s saying, seems like a great guy, I guess time will tell. I really appreciate ALL the info and ideas, now I’ll just run it till it breaks!! And hopefully get a few years out of it, certainly ain’t spending 80k or more on a new truck! He also said a new rebuilt by jasper for my truck would be about $6k, that’s better than 10k!
FYI regarding Jasper...
If there is a problem with a Jasper unit, the last time I dealt with them, they cover $50/hour of the labor and they require the unit to be removed and sent back to them for repairs. No in-house repair. It takes a while for shipping back, repair, ship it back to the shop and have them re-install it. It may have changed as it's been a while. Just something to make note of going in if you have to go that way.
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Yikes!! Well, I’m hoping my next trailer pull, next weekend goes good.
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Just talked to Ricky at Puyallup trans, what a great guy! He drove it around, had his scanner on it, looked at the fluids and listened to the info I have on it. Bottom line, he thinks the tranny is fine, my fluid looks and smells good, torque converter had zero slip. He thinks maybe having old fluid in it that day it got hot and the fact it was a hot day pulling up the pass might had made it get warm. He thinks I’m good to go, I might put a bigger pan on it the next fluid change, but I guess I’ll pull the trailer over to moose camp in Oct and see what happens. Actually I’ll do a test run next weekend when we go camp at lake Silvia. I’m gonna trust what he’s saying, seems like a great guy, I guess time will tell. I really appreciate ALL the info and ideas, now I’ll just run it till it breaks!! And hopefully get a few years out of it, certainly ain’t spending 80k or more on a new truck! He also said a new rebuilt by jasper for my truck would be about $6k, that’s better than 10k!
FYI regarding Jasper...
If there is a problem with a Jasper unit, the last time I dealt with them, they cover $50/hour of the labor and they require the unit to be removed and sent back to them for repairs. No in-house repair. It takes a while for shipping back, repair, ship it back to the shop and have them re-install it. It may have changed as it's been a while. Just something to make note of going in if you have to go that way.
if you are a preferred jasper dealer they pay more labor and also allow in house repairs, in most cases they ship a new unit out immediately. the reason we sell jasper is we rarely have the need to use their warranty.
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That’s great to hear!
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Well, took the trailer to silvia lake state park last weekend, not any real big hills but everything went very well. The hottest my tranny got was 206, most the time it ran around 150-160, on the way home, less hills, cruise control set at 60 ish, it ran a lot at 140!!!! I'm pretty confident my tranny is ok, and my problem was old fluid and filters needed replacing.
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Good to hear!
That's gotta be a relief!