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Title: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 19, 2022, 07:31:16 AM
I was checked by a fisheries guy at a boat launch on Lake Roosevelt on Sat. I brought up the subject of netting in front of my Lodge which has been almost non stop this year. Better get used to more of it. The third week in Oct. Fisheries dept and the tribe will be deploying 400 nets in Lake Roosevelt. 300 will target walleye and smallmouth out to 100 ft in depth. the others will be put in the shallows for pike and smallmouth. Then they will come back in Nov. and do it again. 
4,000 chinook salmon were stocked in the Colville River and another  batch was stocked in the Kettle River..This was done in March. In a netting set a month later they found 3 chinook smolt in the bellies of walleye.   Thus signing the death warrant for walleye and the NON Native Species in Lake Roosevelt. ( aren't squawfish native to the Columbia?)
Hate to tell them the nets do not discriminate and kill everything---even chinook and the HOLY red band trout. The shoreline in front of my place has dead fish washing up at an alarming rate...mostly trout...
Dept. Of Fish & Wildlife and the tribe...NOTHING TO SEE HERE...Move along.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: 10Key on September 19, 2022, 07:37:48 AM
Truly a bummer. I do not understand why walleye and smallies are not embraced up there. That being said, there is no way to wipe out the toothy critters and smallmouth. There is just too much area and too many fisherman that love those species, that won't allow that to happen...Banks Lake is really close ;)
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: birddogdad on September 19, 2022, 07:43:11 AM
4000 smolt in that big a$$ lake? sounds like lip service to me.. they could have put 40000 and it would not make a dent... wonder how much money State /Feds funneled to Tribes for this finger wave stocking? Just another data point with Salmon, Tribes and State... not every questionable act happens in the sound and ocean sides!
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on September 19, 2022, 07:43:52 AM
The tribe cant make up their mind on what sustenance fish they want...First it was kokanee, which was a flop.  Then it was rainbow, which was good but not big and good enough....and now they have their sights on the prized chinook. 

One big ole research project on the backs of the fisherman and resource.  Even if and when chinook get established the white man will not be allowed to participate.  Heck look how long the sturgeon project went on before anglers could participate.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 19, 2022, 07:56:32 AM
One big ole research project on the backs of the fisherman and resource.  Even if and when chinook get established the white man will not be allowed to participate.  Heck look how long the sturgeon project went on before anglers could participate.


The "Death Barge" was fueling in Kettle Falls on Sunday at Yellow Pine. If you look at the vessel you will know just how much money, they are willing to spend. But I do wonder what Jay is going to do about the Governers Walleye cup? He might just have to rename it to the Salmon Festival.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 19, 2022, 08:59:43 AM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Timberstalker on September 19, 2022, 09:21:05 AM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 19, 2022, 10:02:53 AM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.

 Then, I hope they run those nets at the PEAK of the Salmon/Steelhead runs.   How about Squawfish...AKA Northern Pikie Minnow...They ARE native to the Columbia...They belong in the Columbia as a native fish.. Yet they  are paying to slaughter them by the thousands..... and by the way Lake Roosevelt is not a "Native" water.MAN made.. with no ocean run fish of any type.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Stein on September 19, 2022, 10:07:17 AM
I don't think it has anything to do with science, when you get salmon involved it's more about public perception and the court system (including significant out of state lobbying) than anything else.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: NWBrute on September 19, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
"by the way Lake Roosevelt is not a "Native" water.MAN made.. with no ocean run fish of any type"

That was not true before 1942, There were many, many ocean going fish in that portion of the Columbia river all the way to Canada. With that said, I don't think they will ever remove all of the species they target, nor will 4000 fish do anything to establish a population in the lake. It is basically a giant waste of tax payer money.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Jpmiller on September 19, 2022, 11:29:31 AM
Man, we usually run up in January to fish walleye on Roosevelt, might need to make other plans this year. Bummer.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: baldopepper on September 19, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Still plenty of walleye in the lake, but they're taking a heavy toll of anything very big.  Watched them pull nets by my place and didn't see anything but trout in the net.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 19, 2022, 02:25:43 PM
I hope they remove all the trophy class hen walleye that misinformed people keep releasing into the Columbia. Protect the living salmon run, not the vacant upstream habitat that salmon once used. Removing walleye from lake Roosevelt is kind of a joke to be honest. Maybe when the salmon can get past the tourniquet dams with no fish ladders it would be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: GASoline71 on September 19, 2022, 03:58:33 PM
Salmon fishing will be dead in this state in 10 more years.

Walleye are a ball to catch on Roosevelt, and they are exceptional table fare.

Gary
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 19, 2022, 04:38:28 PM
Salmon fishing will be dead in this state in 10 more years.

Walleye are a ball to catch on Roosevelt, and they are exceptional table fare.

Gary
Mule deer are hard to hunt, let's just destroy their habitat and raise cows instead? They are easy and taste good.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 19, 2022, 05:35:20 PM
Stupid comparison . If you think walleye are hurting your sacred salmon go out and catch and kill them After all..there is NO limit on the lower Columbia. Go for it...... instead of complaining about all the walleye and smallmouth....
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: GASoline71 on September 19, 2022, 05:45:09 PM
Salmon fishing will be dead in this state in 10 more years.

Walleye are a ball to catch on Roosevelt, and they are exceptional table fare.

Gary
Mule deer are hard to hunt, let's just destroy their habitat and raise cows instead? They are easy and taste good.

LMAO... Salmon ain't hard to catch... I'd recon they are dumber than Walleye.  If there weren't any commercial interests in salmon/trout/steelhead, they'd be treated just like any other fish in the system.  Then add in the wild fish nuts and it gets even better...  :o

And, Mulies ain't that hard to hunt either... poor comparison.

Gary
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: 10Key on September 19, 2022, 05:45:56 PM
For the folks advocating for nets to kill walleye and smallmouth in the name of salmon on Lake Roosevelt, careful what you wish for. What we could end up with is 130 miles of lake/river with fewer overall fish and limited opportunity. When the opportunity does arise, yours will take a backseat to the folks that are now netting...it is how the system works.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Stein on September 19, 2022, 06:05:45 PM
 :yeah:

I have yet to see a WDFW mandate that was results driven as opposed to action driven.  Restore X miles of river.  Enlarge Z culverts.  Flood Y acres of diked land.

Maybe that will help something, maybe not, but it's the actions that are tracked.  I don't know how often they go back and see if what they did even resulted in one more fish, none of the special interest lobbying seem to care as long as activity is happening. 

On the flip side of that coin, they can't shoot furbags or terns, so the unlucky game fish and waterfowl are in the 10 ring.

When it comes to "native" chinook, they are pretty high up on the cool animal list once we discovered the resident orcas seem to only eat them.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: full choke on September 19, 2022, 06:12:53 PM
How did the netting of bass go in Lake Washington? Have the sockeye recovered yet? Just curious, I haven’t heard anything.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 19, 2022, 06:44:40 PM
Salmon fishing will be dead in this state in 10 more years.

Walleye are a ball to catch on Roosevelt, and they are exceptional table fare.

Gary
Mule deer are hard to hunt, let's just destroy their habitat and raise cows instead? They are easy and taste good.

LMAO... Salmon ain't hard to catch... I'd recon they are dumber than Walleye.  If there weren't any commercial interests in salmon/trout/steelhead, they'd be treated just like any other fish in the system.  Then add in the wild fish nuts and it gets even better...  :o

And, Mulies ain't that hard to hunt either... poor comparison.

Gary
You're right it's a bad comparison. Bison to cows would be a better one since it already happened. When it comes to managing wildlife you should always favor a native species over an introduced species. Walleye are no different than feral cats to me, other than I like to catch and eat walleye.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Alchase on September 19, 2022, 07:47:18 PM
Any mention on how much by-catch the netters get to keep  :dunno:
The untold story within the story maybe  :bash:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: baldopepper on September 19, 2022, 09:26:39 PM
Any mention on how much by-catch the netters get to keep  :dunno:
The untold story within the story maybe  :bash:
been at the launch twice now when they came in, didn't see fish of any type in their boat. Guess they could have them hidden but didn't notice any coolers on the boats either.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 19, 2022, 10:25:24 PM
Interesting topic, I too wonder what the grand plan is with this. Seems asanine they would target spiny rays like that knowing how many are in the reservoir compared to that small amount of Salmon planted. I also think the whole redband thing is way over played. Sure there are native fish in Roosevelt but nothing like the true native redbands from the spokane River that Ive seen.They have solid blood red stripes. I've caught nothing that looks like a real Redband downriver of 9 mile dam. Also, are they expecting these smolt or adults they planted to take hold? If so, explain to me how that will all work? Obviously the smolt could never make it past chief Jo on their journey back from the ocean, defeating any sort of instinctual return.. Are they shooting for some sort of weird landlocked (for lack of a better word) roosevelt nook population? Seems like these boys are fighting a tough battle here


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Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 19, 2022, 10:34:54 PM
If they really wanted some salmon they just need to figure out how to get them over chief Joe and coulee. Grand coulees only 500 ft. Just slap a whoosh innovation ladder over them both. Problem solved. Hahaha(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220920/c390e86b76d0f3feca8ab85ff1fd173d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: baldopepper on September 19, 2022, 10:36:26 PM
Interesting topic, I too wonder what the grand plan is with this. Seems asanine they would target spiny rays like that knowing how many are in the reservoir compared to that small amount of Salmon planted. I also think the whole redband thing is way over played. Sure there are native fish in Roosevelt but nothing like the true native redbands from the spokane River that Ive seen.They have solid blood red stripes. I've caught nothing that looks like a real Redband downriver of 9 mile dam. Also, are they expecting these smolt or adults they planted to take hold? If so, explain to me how that will all work? Obviously the smolt could never make it past chief Jo on their journey back from the ocean, defeating any sort of instinctual return.. Are they shooting for some sort of weird landlocked (for lack of a better word) roosevelt nook population? Seems like these boys are fighting a tough battle here


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How did they establish the Chinook salmon that now populate the great lakes?  No salt water connection with them is there?
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 19, 2022, 10:45:33 PM
Interesting topic, I too wonder what the grand plan is with this. Seems asanine they would target spiny rays like that knowing how many are in the reservoir compared to that small amount of Salmon planted. I also think the whole redband thing is way over played. Sure there are native fish in Roosevelt but nothing like the true native redbands from the spokane River that Ive seen.They have solid blood red stripes. I've caught nothing that looks like a real Redband downriver of 9 mile dam. Also, are they expecting these smolt or adults they planted to take hold? If so, explain to me how that will all work? Obviously the smolt could never make it past chief Jo on their journey back from the ocean, defeating any sort of instinctual return.. Are they shooting for some sort of weird landlocked (for lack of a better word) roosevelt nook population? Seems like these boys are fighting a tough battle here


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How did they establish the Chinook salmon that now populate the great lakes?  No salt water connection with them is there?
No good point, roosevelt could be the Chinooks surrogate ocean. Just seems silly the scale at which this is happening. Feel like it would need to be a reservoir wide operation that would take 10-15 years to accomplish anything worthwhile. Personally I like roosevelt how it is and don't mind fishing the lower columbia for salmonoids

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Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: baldopepper on September 20, 2022, 12:21:23 AM
I'm just not sure the netting operation is accomplishing what they want. I think walleyes are like coyotes, don't seem to be able to get rid of them so just work around them. They plant 750000 triploids a year in roosevelt,, seems to me thay have to plant more than 4000 Chinook to get them established. When I questioned the netters at the launch they were a little evasive but didn't seem overly optimistic about how much good they were doing.  It'd be nice to have big Chinook in the lake, but the walleye fishing is extremely popular  and there are fewer opportunities to fish for them in the state than there are for salmon
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 20, 2022, 07:52:55 AM
I'm just not sure the netting operation is accomplishing what they want. I think walleyes are like coyotes, don't seem to be able to get rid of them so just work around them. They plant 750000 triploids a year in roosevelt,, seems to me thay have to plant more than 4000 Chinook to get them established. When I questioned the netters at the launch they were a little evasive but didn't seem overly optimistic about how much good they were doing.  It'd be nice to have big Chinook in the lake, but the walleye fishing is extremely popular  and there are fewer opportunities to fish for them in the state than there are for salmon

Exactly, also I've always wondered why the triploids don't grow bigger in roosevelt? Ive never really seen a Rufus woods type 10+ pound football come out of roosevelt. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: bassquatch on September 20, 2022, 07:35:42 PM
Imagine if someone with a tranquilizer gun transported a dozen or so seals over there to help out. :peep:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on September 20, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
I'm just not sure the netting operation is accomplishing what they want. I think walleyes are like coyotes, don't seem to be able to get rid of them so just work around them. They plant 750000 triploids a year in roosevelt,, seems to me thay have to plant more than 4000 Chinook to get them established. When I questioned the netters at the launch they were a little evasive but didn't seem overly optimistic about how much good they were doing.  It'd be nice to have big Chinook in the lake, but the walleye fishing is extremely popular  and there are fewer opportunities to fish for them in the state than there are for salmon

Exactly, also I've always wondered why the triploids don't grow bigger in roosevelt? Ive never really seen a Rufus woods type 10+ pound football come out of roosevelt. Am I wrong?

The commercial net pens on rufus keep it stocked with the big ones.  A Triploid does not equate to a big fish....
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: rasbo on September 20, 2022, 09:02:21 PM
I'm just not sure the netting operation is accomplishing what they want. I think walleyes are like coyotes, don't seem to be able to get rid of them so just work around them. They plant 750000 triploids a year in roosevelt,, seems to me thay have to plant more than 4000 Chinook to get them established. When I questioned the netters at the launch they were a little evasive but didn't seem overly optimistic about how much good they were doing.  It'd be nice to have big Chinook in the lake, but the walleye fishing is extremely popular  and there are fewer opportunities to fish for them in the state than there are for salmon

Exactly, also I've always wondered why the triploids don't grow bigger in roosevelt? Ive never really seen a Rufus woods type 10+ pound football come out of roosevelt. Am I wrong?
I raise trips on Roosevelt, there are 10 pound  fish being caught
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Alchase on September 20, 2022, 09:43:03 PM
Interesting topic, I too wonder what the grand plan is with this. Seems asanine they would target spiny rays like that knowing how many are in the reservoir compared to that small amount of Salmon planted. I also think the whole redband thing is way over played. Sure there are native fish in Roosevelt but nothing like the true native redbands from the spokane River that Ive seen.They have solid blood red stripes. I've caught nothing that looks like a real Redband downriver of 9 mile dam. Also, are they expecting these smolt or adults they planted to take hold? If so, explain to me how that will all work? Obviously the smolt could never make it past chief Jo on their journey back from the ocean, defeating any sort of instinctual return.. Are they shooting for some sort of weird landlocked (for lack of a better word) roosevelt nook population? Seems like these boys are fighting a tough battle here


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How did they establish the Chinook salmon that now populate the great lakes?  No salt water connection with them is there?

The Great Lakes are connected to the ocean by the Saint Laurence Sea Way.

 But the salmon they planted do not go to sea. They do reproduce up in the tributaries. But not at a self sustainable level.
They stock the crap out of the lakes.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Skillet on September 20, 2022, 10:06:29 PM
Coeur D' Alene Lake has (had?) a self-sustaining population of Chinook.  The IDFG ended up going up into the Coeur D' Alene river and destroying redds to limit their population to restore the kokanee population at one point 10-15 years ago.  May still be doing it, I don't know.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 21, 2022, 04:00:07 AM
Interesting topic, I too wonder what the grand plan is with this. Seems asanine they would target spiny rays like that knowing how many are in the reservoir compared to that small amount of Salmon planted. I also think the whole redband thing is way over played. Sure there are native fish in Roosevelt but nothing like the true native redbands from the spokane River that Ive seen.They have solid blood red stripes. I've caught nothing that looks like a real Redband downriver of 9 mile dam. Also, are they expecting these smolt or adults they planted to take hold? If so, explain to me how that will all work? Obviously the smolt could never make it past chief Jo on their journey back from the ocean, defeating any sort of instinctual return.. Are they shooting for some sort of weird landlocked (for lack of a better word) roosevelt nook population? Seems like these boys are fighting a tough battle here


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Is this a redband? I used to catch at least one in every limit of trout...Now that the ban is in place I have not caught one...and that's been a few years.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Blacklab on September 21, 2022, 06:33:21 AM
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Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 21, 2022, 08:35:10 AM
Interesting topic, I too wonder what the grand plan is with this. Seems asanine they would target spiny rays like that knowing how many are in the reservoir compared to that small amount of Salmon planted. I also think the whole redband thing is way over played. Sure there are native fish in Roosevelt but nothing like the true native redbands from the spokane River that Ive seen.They have solid blood red stripes. I've caught nothing that looks like a real Redband downriver of 9 mile dam. Also, are they expecting these smolt or adults they planted to take hold? If so, explain to me how that will all work? Obviously the smolt could never make it past chief Jo on their journey back from the ocean, defeating any sort of instinctual return.. Are they shooting for some sort of weird landlocked (for lack of a better word) roosevelt nook population? Seems like these boys are fighting a tough battle here


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Is this a redband? I used to catch at least one in every limit of trout...Now that the ban is in place I have not caught one...and that's been a few years.
That does look like one. Maybe every wild fish is some mutation of a redband. Who knows. Beautiful fish
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: GWP on September 21, 2022, 08:52:50 AM
WDFW has been catching more Walleye out of Lake Washington every year. I wonder how long it will be before they decide to do something in that one? Maybe already are?
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: WSU on September 21, 2022, 12:49:14 PM
What is the point without fish passage at the dam?
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: baldopepper on September 21, 2022, 01:29:11 PM
What is the point without fish passage at the dam?
They are trying to do what was done in the great lakes. I.e. establish Roosevelt as home base for the salmon, hence no need to establish some way around the dams.  As mentioned earlier this would probably require a huge hatchery program dedicated to Lake Roosevelt .  Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've also heard talk of trucking them around the dams  and just reestablishing the Roosevelt tributaries as final spawning grounds.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Angry Perch on September 21, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
WDFW has been catching more Walleye out of Lake Washington every year. I wonder how long it will be before they decide to do something in that one? Maybe already are?

I can't imagine what they could possibly do.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: WSU on September 21, 2022, 02:46:59 PM
What is the point without fish passage at the dam?
They are trying to do what was done in the great lakes. I.e. establish Roosevelt as home base for the salmon, hence no need to establish some way around the dams.  As mentioned earlier this would probably require a huge hatchery program dedicated to Lake Roosevelt .  Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've also heard talk of trucking them around the dams  and just reestablishing the Roosevelt tributaries as final spawning grounds.

Down stream passage is a problem that would have to be addressed.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: GASoline71 on September 21, 2022, 03:37:45 PM
This was caught just above Keller about 6 or 7 years ago.  Lots of people have told me it's a Red Band... but it has a misclipped adipose, so it is a hatchery fish and can't be a wild Red Band.   :dunno:

Gary
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: mcrawfordaf on September 21, 2022, 03:55:45 PM
This was caught just above Keller about 6 or 7 years ago.  Lots of people have told me it's a Red Band... but it has a misclipped adipose, so it is a hatchery fish and can't be a wild Red Band.   :dunno:

Gary

I was told the best way to spot the difference is not the lateral red line but the cheek color. This is a red band out of the Spokane river vs a Rainbow from the same neck of river.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on September 22, 2022, 05:46:06 AM
What is and what isn't a redband in Roosevelt may always be a mystery. This is a limit I caught this past winter. Top one looks out of place but the adipose is fully clipped.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 22, 2022, 08:27:30 AM
Agreed, common theme seems to be the colder weather months . Seems males will darken up and get all beautiful and look like redbands. I've caught many fish out of hog canyon and 4th of July during winter that look just like all these darker fish. Beautiful rainbows irregardless
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: borntoslay on September 22, 2022, 08:32:06 AM
What is the point without fish passage at the dam?
They are trying to do what was done in the great lakes. I.e. establish Roosevelt as home base for the salmon, hence no need to establish some way around the dams.  As mentioned earlier this would probably require a huge hatchery program dedicated to Lake Roosevelt .  Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've also heard talk of trucking them around the dams  and just reestablishing the Roosevelt tributaries as final spawning grounds.

Down stream passage is a problem that would have to be addressed.

I believe downriver passage would be through the turbines correct? But maybe thats still an issue at coulee??
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: plugger on September 24, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Twispriver on September 24, 2022, 02:58:13 PM
What do they do with all the fish they catch?
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Alchase on September 24, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
What do they do with all the fish they catch?

 :yeah:

Somebody is eating well  :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: plugger on September 25, 2022, 09:50:21 AM
I'm just not sure the netting operation is accomplishing what they want. I think walleyes are like coyotes, don't seem to be able to get rid of them so just work around them. They plant 750000 triploids a year in roosevelt,, seems to me thay have to plant more than 4000 Chinook to get them established. When I questioned the netters at the launch they were a little evasive but didn't seem overly optimistic about how much good they were doing.  It'd be nice to have big Chinook in the lake, but the walleye fishing is extremely popular  and there are fewer opportunities to fish for them in the state than there are for salmon

Exactly, also I've always wondered why the triploids don't grow bigger in roosevelt? Ive never really seen a Rufus woods type 10+ pound football come out of roosevelt. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: plugger on September 25, 2022, 09:56:18 AM
I'm just not sure the netting operation is accomplishing what they want. I think walleyes are like coyotes, don't seem to be able to get rid of them so just work around them. They plant 750000 triploids a year in roosevelt,, seems to me thay have to plant more than 4000 Chinook to get them established. When I questioned the netters at the launch they were a little evasive but didn't seem overly optimistic about how much good they were doing.  It'd be nice to have big Chinook in the lake, but the walleye fishing is extremely popular  and there are fewer opportunities to fish for them in the state than there are for salmon

Exactly, also I've always wondered why the triploids don't grow bigger in roosevelt? Ive never really seen a Rufus woods type 10+ pound football come out of roosevelt. Am I wrong?
I think its the endless supply of pellets that they feed the fish in the pens. I catch trout miles from the pens that are stuffed full of pellets. The walleye are also fat in there. They seem to always be puking up crawdads and i think the craws are also eating the pellets that settle into the rocks making them a high protien meal.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 25, 2022, 01:36:40 PM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 25, 2022, 02:29:44 PM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 25, 2022, 05:16:18 PM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
I don't see the double standard. Native species can still become overpopulated and need management such as whitetails in urban environments, or kangaroos in aus. I love walleye and I'll be sad to see them go, but by nephew likes zebras and if someone brought them and they took over you'd be here trying to save them. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 25, 2022, 05:21:36 PM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
Pike are part of the excuse to use indiscriminate walls of death that should not be allowed anywhere.
Still no evidence that Pike are capable of spawning anywhere in western Washington or the lower Columbia.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: mcrawfordaf on September 25, 2022, 06:01:26 PM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
I don't see the double standard. Native species can still become overpopulated and need management such as whitetails in urban environments, or kangaroos in aus. I love walleye and I'll be sad to see them go, but by nephew likes zebras and if someone brought them and they took over you'd be here trying to save them. :chuckle:

Big fat pregnant hen released back to drop her millions of eggs. About a dozen eating size males taken home. You’ll never get rid of em. But you can try ;P
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: 270Flat on September 25, 2022, 06:29:09 PM
We make a trill ok or two every winter and spring. Love the fishery as it gets the kids on fish and we get our time.  Redband with my son 9 or so years ago. We used to catch several kokes also from the bank each trip. I’m more concerned about the bigger northern pike getting more established.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Angry Perch on September 29, 2022, 07:25:18 AM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
Pike are part of the excuse to use indiscriminate walls of death that should not be allowed anywhere.
Still no evidence that Pike are capable of spawning anywhere in western Washington or the lower Columbia.

Just looking at the Scappoose Bay/ Sauvie Island area, I can't imagine that Northerns wouldn't thrive.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: NWR on September 29, 2022, 08:23:28 AM
Some clarification in todays Spokane paper.

If you haven't watched the video presentation by WDFW on the ongoing 20 year study of population status by year class etc of the Roosevelt walleyes you should look it up. Lots of interesting data. I started fishing for walleyes in Roosevelt when I got out of the Army on 1969. I've seen it all develop.

"WDFW Communications Manager Staci Lehman contacted me this week to clarify the netting that will occur this October and November in Lake Roosevelt. She told me this netting is WDFW’s annual Fall Walleye Index Netting survey (FWIN), not something newly implemented, and has been conducted in Lake Roosevelt for the past 20 years using 150 nets in about 100 feet of water. Immediately following the FWIN survey this year will be the annual northern pike monitoring that is conducted reservoir-wide in late October or early November every year. For that monitoring, 300 nets are set in shallow water with 200 of those nets in the upper reservoir where most of the northern pike are concentrated and the other 100 in the mid- to lower reservoir. Except for a small-scale localized effort by the Colville Tribes near the mouth of the Sanpoil River to address predation on out-migrating salmon and trout, neither the FWIN survey nor the northern pike monitoring survey are considered suppression efforts."

Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 29, 2022, 09:19:36 AM
Had a conversation with a retired fish biologist.. He laughed at the F&W "long term" studies.. He said they should re-label them Biologist Retirement Studies...he knew of no benefit coming from any walleye long term study.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: MeepDog on September 29, 2022, 09:30:14 AM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
I don't see the double standard. Native species can still become overpopulated and need management such as whitetails in urban environments, or kangaroos in aus. I love walleye and I'll be sad to see them go, but by nephew likes zebras and if someone brought them and they took over you'd be here trying to save them. :chuckle:

Big fat pregnant hen released back to drop her millions of eggs. About a dozen eating size males taken home. You’ll never get rid of em. But you can try ;P
That first doesn't look pregnant in the slightest, it looks spawned out. They will have big distended bellies when they're ready to spawn. That fish might even be an older male. Sometimes I catch males in the 5-8lb range.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: mcrawfordaf on September 29, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
I hope they run these same nets on the mid and lower Columbia. Walleye and bass don't belong so get them out. Eat them all.
Such double standards. Probably complained when they closed buoy 10 to protect certain runs of salmon, Or say its perfectly fine to keep a big female walleye because its in the regs, but again complain when tully's are kept because it eats up the quota. Give me a break
Dang right it's fine to keep big hen walleye but not because it's in the regs. It's fine because they're an invasive species. I purposefully target big hen walleye to eat right before they spawn in order to have the biggest impact on the population. Do whatever you want with walleye in the potholes, but get them out of our rivers.

Again , such double standards. You want only the native species in the river and kill all the invasive....but you/they are killing the native species---squawfish/northern pikie minnow--   Give me a break..it's not about invasive vs. native for you...it's protect MY favorite fish.  AND..They will NEVER get rid of ALL the smallmouth and walleye from the Columbia. I can't wait until someone catches a northern pike in the lower Columbia....it's going to happen regardless of all the netting.
I don't see the double standard. Native species can still become overpopulated and need management such as whitetails in urban environments, or kangaroos in aus. I love walleye and I'll be sad to see them go, but by nephew likes zebras and if someone brought them and they took over you'd be here trying to save them. :chuckle:

Big fat pregnant hen released back to drop her millions of eggs. About a dozen eating size males taken home. You’ll never get rid of em. But you can try ;P
That first doesn't look pregnant in the slightest, it looks spawned out. They will have big distended bellies when they're ready to spawn. That fish might even be an older male. Sometimes I catch males in the 5-8lb range.

sure :tup:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: NWR on September 29, 2022, 10:36:44 AM
Well not sure what it (study) might do except provide interesting info for those that find that sort of thing interesting .. apparently you are not in that group. :-)
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 29, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
Well not sure what it (study) might do except provide interesting info for those that find that sort of thing interesting .. apparently you are not in that group. :-)

What it will do is kill large numbers of adult fish of all species.  :bdid:
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: NWR on September 29, 2022, 11:15:00 AM
Well like they said...been doing it for 20 years and still a lot of fish to catch in there so maybe there will still be a few left to catch in December? 
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: GASoline71 on September 29, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
The limit is still 16 Walleye with no size limit, so they must still be doing well.  I know we do pretty good on days we target Walleye.

Gary
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 29, 2022, 12:56:48 PM
Salmon fishing will be dead in this state in 10 more years.

Walleye are a ball to catch on Roosevelt, and they are exceptional table fare.

Gary
Mule deer are hard to hunt, let's just destroy their habitat and raise cows instead? They are easy and taste good.

Landlocked, previously extirpated, Chinook isn't a worthwhile comparison to existing mule deer.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Broomd on September 29, 2022, 03:35:02 PM
F'ing lunatics.  How you guys abide that state, some of us will never know.

A pox on WA elites, f em all.
Title: Re: Good Bye Walleye 400 Nets to be deployed in Lake Roosevelt
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 30, 2022, 05:26:16 PM
Well like they said...been doing it for 20 years and still a lot of fish to catch in there so maybe there will still be a few left to catch in December?

What is the “interesting info” that we are going to learn after 20 years?  :dunno:
Obviously they have not been netting at this level.  I am always surprised when people defend gill nets, what is in it for you?
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