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Title: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: rtspring on September 26, 2022, 06:31:42 PM
Did a little camping, scouting etc. over the weekend!!

I counted no less than 25 campfires on National Forest. 
346 area in little naches area. These idiots should be fined big time.  Or lose their entire livelihood when they catch the place on fire. 
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: bigtex on September 26, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
These idiots should be fined big time.
It's a whopping $230 fine for violating a USFS campfire ban in Eastern WA. Been that amount since 2008.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 26, 2022, 07:28:42 PM
I yell at people all the time throughout the summer having fires. Most of them from the westside. Drives me nuts.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Ghost Hunter on September 26, 2022, 07:46:11 PM
I was nervous about lighting a warming fire in the cabin, when temps got into low 30°.  Waited until I was done putting new metal on roof.  Put Mr Heater to work for a couple nights.  Can't get metal siding on quick enough.   Hearing saws running again after a couple days of rain makes me nervous.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 26, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Well I was heading in for the high hunt and saw 3 guys in the wilderness area standing around camp just off the trail. When I came out 4 days later I thought I would swing by their camp to see if any garbage was left behind. Low and behold there was a new campfire ring with fresh ashes. Some people just don't get it. When fires are prohibited it doesn't mean that doesn't pertain to you!! :bash:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: huntnnw on September 26, 2022, 08:38:07 PM
Yet you can head to Idaho and Montana and have campfires with active fires burning in sight  :chuckle:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 26, 2022, 08:45:25 PM
At least those campfires weren’t as dangerous as the burn the Forest Circus lost in New Mexico this year.

Yet you can head to Idaho and Montana and have campfires with active fires burning in sight  :chuckle:

I think a few of them I’ve seen this year were more active then those active wildfires  :chuckle:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: ghosthunter on September 26, 2022, 09:10:04 PM
These idiots should be fined big time.
It's a whopping $230 fine for violating a USFS campfire ban in Eastern WA. Been that amount since 2008.

So we are at this point every year the past few for muzzy. Don’t t bother me I don’t have to cut wood to keep four tent stoves going. Just take the buddy heaters.

But I was in a state park on Saturday and a county park in Wenatchee for four days and there were lots of folks sitting around those propane fire pits . So are those allowed?

I do t own one nor do I intend to buy one just curious.

I camp up deep I. The timber for elk so sure don’t want some fire to get going.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 26, 2022, 09:13:49 PM
These idiots should be fined big time.
It's a whopping $230 fine for violating a USFS campfire ban in Eastern WA. Been that amount since 2008.

So we are at this point every year the past few for muzzy. Don’t t bother me I don’t have to cut wood to keep four tent stoves going. Just take the buddy heaters.

But I was in a state park on Saturday and a county park in Wenatchee for four days and there were lots of folks sitting around those propane fire pits . So are those allowed?

I do t own one nor do I intend to buy one just curious.

I camp up deep I. The timber for elk so sure don’t want some fire to get going.
propane pits are legal on dnr and fs.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Stein on September 27, 2022, 04:58:59 AM
Yet you can head to Idaho and Montana and have campfires with active fires burning in sight  :chuckle:

There was a burn ban in MT when I was there a couple weeks ago on NF.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: huntnnw on September 27, 2022, 05:16:39 AM
none of the places I was had any
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: trophyhunt on September 27, 2022, 06:36:57 AM
It was wet as heck where I was during archery elk on the wetside, in the backcountry, second week of the season. 
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: huntnnw on September 27, 2022, 06:50:07 AM
In MT where I was we had torrential rains probably 6 out 13 days. Snow in the high country. Somehow it seems to be WA thing about campfires. Go to ID and there campfires everywhere and rarely bans, yet WA it gets earlier and earlier. Hell this year I saw a burn ban in May! we had 6" of rain where we live in June
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on September 27, 2022, 07:16:34 AM
In MT where I was we had torrential rains probably 6 out 13 days. Snow in the high country. Somehow it seems to be WA thing about campfires. Go to ID and there campfires everywhere and rarely bans, yet WA it gets earlier and earlier. Hell this year I saw a burn ban in May! we had 6" of rain where we live in June

Was thinking the same thoughts.  I don't recall so many burn bans as a kid.  Maybe some of the older folks could chime in?  Did we even have burn bans 30 years ago? They have trained us to accept some of this BS and then get worked up when we see someone not buying into the nonsense, and following the rules.  I guess out of all the fires on here mentioned, how many started a wildfire?  I am not advocating breaking the law, but these illegal fires sure have ruffled some feathers.  It is exposing that we can drive minutes across a border and it is acceptable, but in this state we get all wound up.  Reminds me of how quick they trained us washingtonians to wear masks and get mad when people werent following orders, but minutes away in Idaho no masks.  No matter the laws, stupid people will do stupid things.  Lighten up a little:)
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Ghost Hunter on September 27, 2022, 07:22:13 AM
In MT where I was we had torrential rains probably 6 out 13 days. Snow in the high country. Somehow it seems to be WA thing about campfires. Go to ID and there campfires everywhere and rarely bans, yet WA it gets earlier and earlier. Hell this year I saw a burn ban in May! we had 6" of rain where we live in June

Was thinking the same thoughts.  I don't recall so many burn bans as a kid.  Maybe some of the older folks could chime in?  Did we even have burn bans 30 years ago? They have trained us to accept some of this BS and then get worked up when we see someone not buying into the nonsense, and following the rules.  I guess out of all the fires on here mentioned, how many started a wildfire?  I am not advocating breaking the law, but these illegal fires sure have ruffled some feathers.  It is exposing that we can drive minutes across a border and it is acceptable, but in this state we get all wound up.  Reminds me of how quick they trained us washingtonians to wear masks and get mad when people werent following orders, but minutes away in Idaho no masks.  No matter the laws, stupid people will do stupid things.  Lighten up a little:)

The era of entitlement and law suits.  Legislate away the risk along with our rights.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: trophyhunt on September 27, 2022, 07:31:59 AM
In MT where I was we had torrential rains probably 6 out 13 days. Snow in the high country. Somehow it seems to be WA thing about campfires. Go to ID and there campfires everywhere and rarely bans, yet WA it gets earlier and earlier. Hell this year I saw a burn ban in May! we had 6" of rain where we live in June

Was thinking the same thoughts.  I don't recall so many burn bans as a kid.  Maybe some of the older folks could chime in?  Did we even have burn bans 30 years ago? They have trained us to accept some of this BS and then get worked up when we see someone not buying into the nonsense, and following the rules.  I guess out of all the fires on here mentioned, how many started a wildfire?  I am not advocating breaking the law, but these illegal fires sure have ruffled some feathers.  It is exposing that we can drive minutes across a border and it is acceptable, but in this state we get all wound up.  Reminds me of how quick they trained us washingtonians to wear masks and get mad when people werent following orders, but minutes away in Idaho no masks.  No matter the laws, stupid people will do stupid things.  Lighten up a little:)
Agree, I will not confirm or deny I dried my soaking wet socks and boots out…
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: hunter399 on September 27, 2022, 07:34:42 AM
I always see one or two campfires a year.
Durring burn ban.
Firework trash always left somewhere.
I'm just glad it rained durring 4th of July weekend.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: 270Flat on September 27, 2022, 07:48:24 AM
We are dealing with a population at this time that is much different than the past. It also seems like more and more people using the woods for camping and vacation. I have no problem with that, what I have problems with is the lack of understanding that comes with the outdoor lifestyle. Leaving lit fires or smoldering wood to reignite is an issue. They have little regard for anything other than themselves. Someone else will deal with it mindset it hurting other who clean up around the pit before starting the fire. Keep the wood pile a distance away from the fire pit. Have a shovel or means to put the fire out with water or extinguisher near by.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 27, 2022, 08:14:43 AM
How many of the campers are carrying what used to be requirement of an axe, shovel and bucket.

I can't remember the last time I saw the sign in the woods.

Used to be the forest staff would ask if you had them, but probably not anymore you would hurt their feelings.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Buckjunkie on September 27, 2022, 11:39:39 AM
I’ve been using two versions of these heaters for years. They work really well in a Wall Tent. The larger one is loud, but will take a tent from 0 to 80 degrees in a minute or two. The smaller version (shown) is quieter and maintains heat well.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on September 27, 2022, 12:03:57 PM
Frickin tinderbox right now from the methow river all the way to summer blossom.  Guys complaining about the burn ban like its some kind of nanny state conspiracy are you not hearing the dry grass crunch under your boots?  Half the state is in a smokey haze.  Torrential rain in montana is great.  For Montana. 
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: trophyhunt on September 27, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
Buckjunkie, doesn't that propane make a lot of condensation?
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 27, 2022, 12:13:43 PM
They are forecasting the temperature in the northeast corner today at a high of 85. If you had to really push to break wind you might start a small burn. 😉



https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=48.86696500000005&lon=-118.20556499999998#.YzNLwjTML7I

Detailed Forecast
This AfternoonSunny, with a high near 86. Calm wind becoming south around 5 mph.
TonightPartly cloudy, with a low around 55. Calm wind.
WednesdayPartly sunny, with a high near 80. Calm wind becoming southeast 5 to 9 mph in the afternoon.
Wednesday NightA 50 percent chance of showers, mainly after 11pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 52. South wind 5 to 7 mph becoming calm in the evening. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.
ThursdayA 50 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 66. Calm wind becoming southwest around 5 mph in the afternoon. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.
Thursday NightA 20 percent chance of showers before 11pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 49.
FridayMostly sunny, with a high near 71.
Friday NightPartly cloudy, with a low around 49.
SaturdaySunny, with a high near 74.
Saturday NightPartly cloudy, with a low around 49.
SundayMostly sunny, with a high near 75.
Sunday NightPartly cloudy, with a low around 49.
MondaySunny, with a high near 75.


But it will take a lot more rain than this.

Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: pickardjw on September 27, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
I have friends that won't go camping if they can't have a campfire. Like it's some necessary aspect of the experience. Big pet peeve of mine. Most of the time I'd prefer to not go through the trouble at all.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 27, 2022, 01:03:19 PM
I yell at people all the time throughout the summer having fires. Most of them from the westside. Drives me nuts.

There are enough idiots to go around on both sides of the state.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: buckfvr on September 27, 2022, 01:30:40 PM
"Stupid" has no boundaries.  They're everywhere.     :yike:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2022, 02:14:00 PM
In MT where I was we had torrential rains probably 6 out 13 days. Snow in the high country. Somehow it seems to be WA thing about campfires. Go to ID and there campfires everywhere and rarely bans, yet WA it gets earlier and earlier. Hell this year I saw a burn ban in May! we had 6" of rain where we live in June


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Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Buckjunkie on September 27, 2022, 02:27:24 PM
Buckjunkie, doesn't that propane make a lot of condensation?

We haven’t had that problem. It’s usually very dry where we hunt, so it may be different here in Western Wa.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 27, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
2 days ago, I was looking around in GMU105. The places that they usually run range cattle hadn't been. The grass in the forest roads is over hood tall. I didn't get too adventurous with a catastrophic convertor on my pickup.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: buckfvr on September 27, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
Buckjunkie, doesn't that propane make a lot of condensation?

We haven’t had that problem. It’s usually very dry where we hunt, so it may be different here in Western Wa.

If you're using an un-vented or "vent-free" propane appliance like a catalytic heater, "blue flame" heater, or certain instant water heaters, your appliance is adding 1.6 pounds of moisture into your space for every pound of propane burned.

I found that through google.   https://www.tinywoodstove.com/how-much-water-does-burning-propane-produce/   
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Nwgunner on September 27, 2022, 07:18:34 PM
Im assuming wall tent stoves are also included in a campfire burn ban?
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: CarbonHunter on September 27, 2022, 07:27:38 PM
I was in 346 this weekend but only saw propane fires. Granted I didn’t drive along the river after dark but for the most part where I was people were behaving.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: pickardjw on September 27, 2022, 07:27:56 PM
Im assuming wall tent stoves are also included in a campfire burn ban?

Typically, yes. Wood burning stoves are included because they can throw embers.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: CarbonHunter on September 27, 2022, 07:39:03 PM
Im assuming wall tent stoves are also included in a campfire burn ban?

Typically, yes. Wood burning stoves are included because they can throw embers.
In Washington it means no tent stoves, smoking and even target shooting during the stage 2 which is in place for the 346. In Montana they allow tent stoves so long as you have a 1/4” spark arrester on the stove pipe.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on September 27, 2022, 07:48:41 PM
I’m trying to understand the problem here? Is it smart to have a fire when it’s 90* and dry out, not really, but if it starts a wildfire it does what our government agencies fail to do because some tree hugging non profit donated to a politicians account telling them they can burn or manage. It clears the dead forest underbrush giving new plant life for animals to thrive on.
Maybe, just maybe we wouldn’t have the damage from bark beetles if forests were managed or burned.

Just my opinion
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: rtspring on September 27, 2022, 08:36:10 PM
I’m trying to understand the problem here? Is it smart to have a fire when it’s 90* and dry out, not really, but if it starts a wildfire it does what our government agencies fail to do because some tree hugging non profit donated to a politicians account telling them they can burn or manage. It clears the dead forest underbrush giving new plant life for animals to thrive on.
Maybe, just maybe we wouldn’t have the damage from bark beetles if forests were managed or burned.

Just my opinion

You forgot the part where your failure to follow the law may or may not burn someones house or cabin down. Or better yet kill someone.   We are not just talking about burning some blow downs. 
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: ridgefire on September 28, 2022, 08:17:29 AM
We were just in SW Montana for a week and a half and I spoke with a Forest Service law enforement officer and he said we could burn anywhere we wanted to but recommended we either burn in a existing fire ring or dig down to native soil before burning. The woods were tinder dry. Washington is a little paranoid imo.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Doublelunger on September 28, 2022, 09:31:58 AM
I rarely spend a night in the woods without a camp fire, and I have had hundreds of campfires when they were banned. I consider myself very knowledgeable on fire behavior and have more common sense than most. I also understand that most people are idiots though and that's why we have the regulations we do, but...that's not going to stop me from doing my thing. Go ahead and flame me! (Pun intended) :tup:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: hunter399 on September 28, 2022, 09:40:32 AM
Well at least old Hilary Franz didn't shut down DNR lands this year.
That was BS .
Complete shut down is crazy stuff.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: mcrawfordaf on September 28, 2022, 09:46:20 AM
Camp fires were allowed in fire rings at pretty much all the sites along Tiger Pass in the Col Ntl Forest over the summer.  :dunno:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 28, 2022, 01:08:16 PM
Well at least old Hilary Franz didn't shut down DNR lands this year.
That was BS .
Complete shut down is crazy stuff.
That's because she's too busy asking for contributions for her campaign

Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Fidelk on September 28, 2022, 02:22:42 PM
I rarely spend a night in the woods without a camp fire, and I have had hundreds of campfires when they were banned. I consider myself very knowledgeable on fire behavior and have more common sense than most. I also understand that most people are idiots though and that's why we have the regulations we do, but...that's not going to stop me from doing my thing. Go ahead and flame me! (Pun intended) :tup:

Sometimes you need a fire even when you are fighting a fire.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: rtspring on September 28, 2022, 04:09:07 PM
I rarely spend a night in the woods without a camp fire, and I have had hundreds of campfires when they were banned. I consider myself very knowledgeable on fire behavior and have more common sense than most. I also understand that most people are idiots though and that's why we have the regulations we do, but...that's not going to stop me from doing my thing. Go ahead and flame me! (Pun intended) :tup:

Sadly this is the POOR ATTITUDE of many!  Its me me me me instead of thinking of what others can go through because of law breakers.  Im certain many many people thought just like you, then they burned down 1000’s of acres and property because all they could think of was themselves sadly.  I hope you get a huge fine one day that make you think. 
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 28, 2022, 05:09:31 PM
I rarely spend a night in the woods without a camp fire, and I have had hundreds of campfires when they were banned. I consider myself very knowledgeable on fire behavior and have more common sense than most. I also understand that most people are idiots though and that's why we have the regulations we do, but...that's not going to stop me from doing my thing. Go ahead and flame me! (Pun intended) :tup:

Sadly this is the POOR ATTITUDE of many!  Its me me me me instead of thinking of what others can go through because of law breakers.  Im certain many many people thought just like you, then they burned down 1000’s of acres and property because all they could think of was themselves sadly.  I hope you get a huge fine one day that make you think.
I’m with you on this one rt. Most of us outdoorsman have had thousands of fires and know how to do it safely. There’s always things out of our control and *censored* can happen in seconds. Very poor attitude!
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Doublelunger on September 29, 2022, 07:33:59 AM
I rarely spend a night in the woods without a camp fire, and I have had hundreds of campfires when they were banned. I consider myself very knowledgeable on fire behavior and have more common sense than most. I also understand that most people are idiots though and that's why we have the regulations we do, but...that's not going to stop me from doing my thing. Go ahead and flame me! (Pun intended) :tup:

Sadly this is the POOR ATTITUDE of many!  Its me me me me instead of thinking of what others can go through because of law breakers.  Im certain many many people thought just like you, then they burned down 1000’s of acres and property because all they could think of was themselves sadly.  I hope you get a huge fine one day that make you think.
I’m with you on this one rt. Most of us outdoorsman have had thousands of fires and know how to do it safely. There’s always things out of our control and *censored* can happen in seconds. Very poor attitude!

I've also chose not to have a camp fires when conditions weren't right even though there was no ban in effect. I was a wildland firefighter for 15 years. Most of which was as a hotshot and a smokejumper. I've spent 1000+ days on the fireline and fought fire in almost every western state from texas to alaska. Fire was my life and I understand it better than most. Trust me when I say I'm not going to let a campfire get away!! I don't like government overreach and I don't like being told what to do and this is one of those things that I choose to put my foot down on. If you're scared of Big bad fire and and don't understand it then yes you should probably follow the rest of the sheep when the govt tells you no fires. As for me ill be enjoying my campfire at 8500 ft in lush neon green basin surrounded by granite in late August sipping whisky when your snuggled into your tent with a head lamp.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Bullkllr on September 29, 2022, 07:54:49 AM
BSS?

Burn, shovel, ...
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Doublelunger on September 29, 2022, 09:31:11 AM
I'll give you a perfect example. This Labor day we went backpacking in the wilderness. There were two good size wildfires burning in this wilderness along with multiple trail closures and a burn ban in effect. We camped in a basin above 8000 ft next to a nice alpine lake. The fuel was so sparse and green that you literally couldn't have started a wildfire with 1000 gallons of napalm and a 70mph wind. Fire danger in this specific spot was ZERO. I will re iterate that there was ZER0 chance of starting a wildfire. We had a really nice campfire that night and enjoyed it worry free. We got dirty looks and off hand comments from the other group that was camped near by. They could see and smell smoke from the wildfires and they were scared. The Govt told them fire danger was high and that there was a burn ban. They didn't understand that the wildfires burning near by were 3000 feet lower in elevation and burning in a completely different fuel type. They're the average person and they're the reason why we have burn bans. So once again I'll enjoy my campfire and whisky when it's safe to do so regardless of what the govt tells me. The rest of you can do what Uncle Sam says.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 29, 2022, 09:58:31 AM
I'll give you a perfect example. This Labor day we went backpacking in the wilderness. There were two good size wildfires burning in this wilderness along with multiple trail closures and a burn ban in effect. We camped in a basin above 8000 ft next to a nice alpine lake. The fuel was so sparse and green that you literally couldn't have started a wildfire with 1000 gallons of napalm and a 70mph wind. Fire danger in this specific spot was ZERO. I will re iterate that there was ZER0 chance of starting a wildfire. We had a really nice campfire that night and enjoyed it worry free. We got dirty looks and off hand comments from the other group that was camped near by. They could see and smell smoke from the wildfires and they were scared. The Govt told them fire danger was high and that there was a burn ban. They didn't understand that the wildfires burning near by were 3000 feet lower in elevation and burning in a completely different fuel type. They're the average person and they're the reason why we have burn bans. So once again I'll enjoy my campfire and whisky when it's safe to do so regardless of what the govt tells me. The rest of you can do what Uncle Sam says.
pretty big stretch to label anyone who doesn't have fires as government sheep man. Could it just be that some just think the juice isn't worth the squeeze  :dunno:

Hope that fire wasn't within a hundred feet of that lake. You'll get a ticket for that one too. Ask me how I know  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:😡
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: trophyhunt on September 29, 2022, 10:26:14 AM
I'll give you a perfect example. This Labor day we went backpacking in the wilderness. There were two good size wildfires burning in this wilderness along with multiple trail closures and a burn ban in effect. We camped in a basin above 8000 ft next to a nice alpine lake. The fuel was so sparse and green that you literally couldn't have started a wildfire with 1000 gallons of napalm and a 70mph wind. Fire danger in this specific spot was ZERO. I will re iterate that there was ZER0 chance of starting a wildfire. We had a really nice campfire that night and enjoyed it worry free. We got dirty looks and off hand comments from the other group that was camped near by. They could see and smell smoke from the wildfires and they were scared. The Govt told them fire danger was high and that there was a burn ban. They didn't understand that the wildfires burning near by were 3000 feet lower in elevation and burning in a completely different fuel type. They're the average person and they're the reason why we have burn bans. So once again I'll enjoy my campfire and whisky when it's safe to do so regardless of what the govt tells me. The rest of you can do what Uncle Sam says.
I enjoyed my fire and whiskey this past archery season as well!
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Doublelunger on September 29, 2022, 10:28:45 AM
I'll give you a perfect example. This Labor day we went backpacking in the wilderness. There were two good size wildfires burning in this wilderness along with multiple trail closures and a burn ban in effect. We camped in a basin above 8000 ft next to a nice alpine lake. The fuel was so sparse and green that you literally couldn't have started a wildfire with 1000 gallons of napalm and a 70mph wind. Fire danger in this specific spot was ZERO. I will re iterate that there was ZER0 chance of starting a wildfire. We had a really nice campfire that night and enjoyed it worry free. We got dirty looks and off hand comments from the other group that was camped near by. They could see and smell smoke from the wildfires and they were scared. The Govt told them fire danger was high and that there was a burn ban. They didn't understand that the wildfires burning near by were 3000 feet lower in elevation and burning in a completely different fuel type. They're the average person and they're the reason why we have burn bans. So once again I'll enjoy my campfire and whisky when it's safe to do so regardless of what the govt tells me. The rest of you can do what Uncle Sam says.
pretty big stretch to label anyone who doesn't have fires as government sheep man. Could it just be that some just think the juice isn't worth the squeeze  :dunno:

Hope that fire wasn't within a hundred feet of that lake. You'll get a ticket for that one too. Ask me how I know  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:😡

Pretty big stretch for me to be labeled as a selfish outlaw with no respect for anyone but myself too.  :dunno:

A lot of those lakes do have distance restrictions for fires, but this wasn't one of them.  That sucks youve been popped, I've never liked those egulations either!

Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 29, 2022, 12:14:51 PM
I'll give you a perfect example. This Labor day we went backpacking in the wilderness. There were two good size wildfires burning in this wilderness along with multiple trail closures and a burn ban in effect. We camped in a basin above 8000 ft next to a nice alpine lake. The fuel was so sparse and green that you literally couldn't have started a wildfire with 1000 gallons of napalm and a 70mph wind. Fire danger in this specific spot was ZERO. I will re iterate that there was ZER0 chance of starting a wildfire. We had a really nice campfire that night and enjoyed it worry free. We got dirty looks and off hand comments from the other group that was camped near by. They could see and smell smoke from the wildfires and they were scared. The Govt told them fire danger was high and that there was a burn ban. They didn't understand that the wildfires burning near by were 3000 feet lower in elevation and burning in a completely different fuel type. They're the average person and they're the reason why we have burn bans. So once again I'll enjoy my campfire and whisky when it's safe to do so regardless of what the govt tells me. The rest of you can do what Uncle Sam says.
pretty big stretch to label anyone who doesn't have fires as government sheep man. Could it just be that some just think the juice isn't worth the squeeze  :dunno:

Hope that fire wasn't within a hundred feet of that lake. You'll get a ticket for that one too. Ask me how I know  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:😡

Pretty big stretch for me to be labeled as a selfish outlaw with no respect for anyone but myself too.  :dunno:

A lot of those lakes do have distance restrictions for fires, but this wasn't one of them.  That sucks youve been popped, I've never liked those egulations either!
I was 17 and my brother was 12 and we didn't know such a thing as a burn ban, or wilderness rules existed.  It was early summer and there was snow everywhere. He lit into us for having the fire by the lake and also "abandoning" it because we were 50 yards down shore fishing. Before we could even get "hello sir" out of our mouths he Immediately lit into us for being "disrespectful little *censored* heads who were going to burn the woods down!"  Apparently the snow and sand was gonna catch fire and spread into the rest of the snow  :chuckle:
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: trophyhunt on September 29, 2022, 12:20:26 PM
That sounds like a park ranger after they got to carry guns!!!   Dirty harry complex whet to most their heads.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on September 29, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
What do you burn in your campfires over 8000 feet in washington? 300 year old Juniper and the dried feces of your dead enemies?  You all are tougher mountain men than me.  There was that one time I DIDNT have a fire though, and I was bushwhacked in the night by a bunch of guys in Biden masks who forced me to swear allegiance to big government.  As soon as they left I was immediately set upon by an entire pack of bears (yeah a pack of them!). They chewed up my apple watch and ate all my gel electrolytes and I was forces to hike out the next day with only a bag of costco granola snacks.  Fortunately the keyfob on my hybrid was still in my pocket and I could follow the chirp chirp of the alarm back to the trailhead.  Keep those fires burning brothers, heed my cautionary tale of what can happen to you in the dark. 
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Sandberm on September 29, 2022, 12:48:11 PM
I never have a scabbard over my sword. Dont reckon I need one as I have over 15 years experience traveling all over southeast Asia,... mostly Thailand... with an un scabbarded sword. Trust me when I say I know how to use and protect my sword and I'm not gonna let Uncle Sam tell me to scabbard my sword. So while you sheep are tooting down Aurora with your sword in a scabbard, i will be enjoying the feel of an un scabbarded sword in my hand.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Ironhead on September 29, 2022, 12:50:04 PM
I like fires as much as the next guy maybe even more than most but, I respect the law and others property more than my own desire to have a fire. I live in extreme fire country (by my own choice I know), but some of these answers really make me cringe.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: BD1 on September 29, 2022, 03:28:31 PM
 :yeah: Amen!!!!
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Fidelk on September 29, 2022, 03:41:55 PM
I'd hazard a guess that by August, when small groups of firefighters are out there at night, and at altitudes of over 5000 feet elevation........they are going to have small warming fires. And that warming fire is possibly the last bit of fire that gets put out.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: KillerBeee on September 29, 2022, 04:48:30 PM
Some of these responses really tweak a nerve.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Gettin Birdie on September 29, 2022, 04:53:45 PM
I have fires, when appropriate, ban or not, I am in fire as well, like doublelunger.  There is a difference between avid/knowledgeable outdoorsman and someone who is that, plus been in fire or educated in such.  There is a lot more to it, weather, fuel types, fuel moisture, etc. that determines weather a fire would start and carry, and that even means getting anywhere from your ring/area to begin with.  We have many warming fires on the fires I'm on, just part of it, freezing your nuts off sometimes.  Common sense, plus fire knowledge does give me a leg up imo, most fires are started by dumb people, I won't let it ruin it for me.  I presume most on here are able to do the same if they choose, if you are worried, then don't, but I won't let the bad apples ruin it for me either.   
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Fidelk on September 29, 2022, 05:55:58 PM
I've been in elk camp (LT Murray......which is closed to all fires April 15-October 15) and the wind was howling so bad, starting a campfire would have been very irresponsible. Getting the wood stove going inside the wall tent was even a problem......since the wind wouldn't let the smoke escape from the chimney. Luckily, we had an extra section of flexible pipe (stove to chimney), so I put that on top of the chimney pipe and directed it away from the direction of the wind. I had brought a salvaged stainless steel washing machine drum to camp and we fired this up under the tarp of our cooking area and this worked real well.......put an old Weber grill rack over the drum and you have a decent spark arrestor.
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Fidelk on September 29, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
I have fires, when appropriate, ban or not, I am in fire as well, like doublelunger.  There is a difference between avid/knowledgeable outdoorsman and someone who is that, plus been in fire or educated in such.  There is a lot more to it, weather, fuel types, fuel moisture, etc. that determines weather a fire would start and carry, and that even means getting anywhere from your ring/area to begin with.  We have many warming fires on the fires I'm on, just part of it, freezing your nuts off sometimes.  Common sense, plus fire knowledge does give me a leg up imo, most fires are started by dumb people, I won't let it ruin it for me.  I presume most on here are able to do the same if they choose, if you are worried, then don't, but I won't let the bad apples ruin it for me either.   

They still using those paper sleeping bags like they did back in the 1960's.......just like cotton, they will keep you warm enough to freeze to death?
Title: Re: No Campfires, Means NO CAMPFIRES
Post by: Gettin Birdie on November 23, 2022, 07:31:54 PM
I have fires, when appropriate, ban or not, I am in fire as well, like doublelunger.  There is a difference between avid/knowledgeable outdoorsman and someone who is that, plus been in fire or educated in such.  There is a lot more to it, weather, fuel types, fuel moisture, etc. that determines weather a fire would start and carry, and that even means getting anywhere from your ring/area to begin with.  We have many warming fires on the fires I'm on, just part of it, freezing your nuts off sometimes.  Common sense, plus fire knowledge does give me a leg up imo, most fires are started by dumb people, I won't let it ruin it for me.  I presume most on here are able to do the same if they choose, if you are worried, then don't, but I won't let the bad apples ruin it for me either.   


They still using those paper sleeping bags like they did back in the 1960's.......just like cotton, they will keep you warm enough to freeze to death?

Sorry, I know this isn't an important topic, but I'm not sure how to see replies when made in response.  Still clicking on stuff to learn the site.  Anyways, no, but not much better :chuckle:, our station has the military bags, which I don't mind, but the bivvy could be better.  I think it's up to the cache manager in each place to determine what gear to use, as I've heard others have top notch gear, from a captain who's been elsewhere. 
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