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Title: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 08, 2023, 11:18:13 PM
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wa-house-passes-bill-banning-sale-assault-weapons/CJ7T25OLEFFLDJBVF5C2XHFSTU/

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Cougartail on March 09, 2023, 04:54:58 AM
All politicians who vote for firearm laws deemed unconstitutional should be removed from office and barred for any government positions for life.

Ridiculous that this bill is being considered.  Funny that these same low IQ clowns aren't concerned with the 70,000 drug deaths caused by an open border.

It's  not about our safety it's about the new Nazi Democrat Party destroying our Constitution little by little. Put a mustache on Ferguson and he makes a good stand in weasel  for Hitler.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on March 09, 2023, 06:40:19 AM
I hope Ferguson personally comes to get mine....
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 09, 2023, 06:46:02 AM
Hard to believe it was just a few years ago that we were able to get SBRs and Suppressors legalized.  Hopefully, Aeroprecision will move here to Idaho rather than just closing shop.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
Two D's voted against. Rule and Shavers. Otherwise, voted along party lines as expected.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 06:54:08 AM
Hard to believe it was just a few years ago that we were able to get SBRs and Suppressors legalized.  Hopefully, Aeroprecision will move here to Idaho rather than just closing shop.

Why would Aero close shop?

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 09, 2023, 06:58:35 AM
Hard to believe it was just a few years ago that we were able to get SBRs and Suppressors legalized.  Hopefully, Aeroprecision will move here to Idaho rather than just closing shop.

Why would Aero close shop?

Illegal to manufacture in the state. It’s noted in the article
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 07:26:56 AM
Hard to believe it was just a few years ago that we were able to get SBRs and Suppressors legalized.  Hopefully, Aeroprecision will move here to Idaho rather than just closing shop.

Why would Aero close shop?

Illegal to manufacture in the state. It’s noted in the article

I didn’t see anything about unserialized components?

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bullkllr on March 09, 2023, 07:42:44 AM
So how long will it take for the senate to pass this?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: buckfvr on March 09, 2023, 08:09:59 AM
I hope Ferguson personally comes to get mine....

If it comes to that , he and his running mates will be down stairs in their hide shivering.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: baker5150 on March 09, 2023, 08:16:26 AM
I hope Ferguson personally comes to get mine....

Its for new sales, not a confiscation...
They may be dumb, but they aren't that dumb (yet).
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: baker5150 on March 09, 2023, 08:19:11 AM
I'd like to know why our AG is pushing legislation.

The AG office should be completely neutral on this, and all things legal in this state.
At any moment he could be in court defending laws in favor of "assault weapons" sales in this state.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 08:46:29 AM
I didn’t see anything about unserialized components?

Have you read the bill?

No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section (goes on to list law enforcement, military, transfer to direct family upon death, etc)

(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means: (goes on to list virtually every semi auto rifle including AK-47 in all forms, AR-15 in all forms, etc.)

(ii) A semiautomatic rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches;

(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; or(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(goes on to list pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, folding stocks, suppressors, flash hiders, muzzle brakes, threaded barrels, grenade launchers (???), foregrips, and on and on including some semi-auto pistol and semi-auto shotgun restrictions)

I'm no lawyer, but even if this would still allow you to buy parts what company is going to take the risk and ship them here? Aero could possibly still manufacturer here and distribute in other states. Maybe they'll be the injured party that brings the lawsuit that puts an injunction on the whole thing. Or they move to a state where they don't have to deal with this BS every year.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on March 09, 2023, 08:52:23 AM
Guess I will be encouraging my kids to move to a free state.  :'(





Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bullkllr on March 09, 2023, 08:53:06 AM
1143 passed the house as well
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
I didn’t see anything about unserialized components?

Have you read the bill?

No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section (goes on to list law enforcement, military, transfer to direct family upon death, etc)

(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means: (goes on to list virtually every semi auto rifle including AK-47 in all forms, AR-15 in all forms, etc.)

(ii) A semiautomatic rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches;

(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; or(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(goes on to list pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, folding stocks, suppressors, flash hiders, muzzle brakes, threaded barrels, grenade launchers (???), foregrips, and on and on including some semi-auto pistol and semi-auto shotgun restrictions)

I'm no lawyer, but even if this would still allow you to buy parts what company is going to take the risk and ship them here? Aero could possibly still manufacturer here and distribute in other states. Maybe they'll be the injured party that brings the lawsuit that puts an injunction on the whole thing. Or they move to a state where they don't have to deal with this BS every year.

I did read it, but did not see (iii)

This whole thing is garbage and I think it will get held up in court and never be implemented.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on March 09, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
It is crazy bad.

All you guys that bought silencers, muzzel  breaks and have semi auto rifles with threaded barrels ,thumbhole stocks, extended grips on shotguns or rifles (semi) are in the commie stew.

And even if you can keep what you got, when you are gone much of it cannot be inherited.


Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on March 09, 2023, 09:23:21 AM
History repeating itself!  Nothing new under the sun!

This is how Hitler did it, and most know how that turned out!  This present generation hasn't been taught history!!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 09:30:25 AM
I did read it, but did not see (iii)

This whole thing is garbage and I think it will get held up in court and never be implemented.

Yeah, I swear you need a degree in legalese to understand the crap they write. I have a suppressor in jail, not sure if I'll be able to take possession in sept/oct. Got a 6ARC and 300 blackout to build too. Lots of different takes on whether you'll still be able to buy components or not because it's written so poorly (on purpose I suppose). Most seem to assume that companies will simply not sell to WA instead of taking the risk.

In contrast, HB 1178 to end State preemption was basically just, "this RCW is null and void" (paraphrasing of course). Glad that one never gained traction.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Sundance on March 09, 2023, 09:30:46 AM
Lowers are moving fast. The parts thing looks difficult to enforce. Several bolt action chassis systems utilize the same common parts found on AR/AK platforms. I.e. magpul, mlok, pic mounts, 1913 folding adapters etc. Am I not going to be able to buy Holosun red dots anymore? What about magpul stocks and law tactical folders for my bolt action chassis systems?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Sundance on March 09, 2023, 09:33:29 AM
It is crazy bad.

All you guys that bought silencers, muzzel  breaks and have semi auto rifles with threaded barrels ,thumbhole stocks, extended grips on shotguns or rifles (semi) are in the commie stew.

And even if you can keep what you got, when you are gone much of it cannot be inherited.

What if your NFA items and SAR’s are in a trust? Will the beneficiary(s) not be able to assume possession? Will they need to be added as another trustee?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberghost72 on March 09, 2023, 09:41:43 AM
Hard to believe it was just a few years ago that we were able to get SBRs and Suppressors legalized.  Hopefully, Aeroprecision will move here to Idaho rather than just closing shop.

Why would Aero close shop?

Illegal to manufacture in the state. It’s noted in the article

They can still manufacture for LE/military

What I don't get (well I do, it's about money) is why gun manufacturers sell their products to states (state police) who outlaw their products to citizens.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 09, 2023, 09:43:07 AM
It is crazy bad.

All you guys that bought silencers, muzzel  breaks and have semi auto rifles with threaded barrels ,thumbhole stocks, extended grips on shotguns or rifles (semi) are in the commie stew.

And even if you can keep what you got, when you are gone much of it cannot be inherited.

I'm pretty sure it can be inherited.....at least by the son's and daughters.  The question, and it is vague at best, is whether or not their kids (i.e. your grandkids) can inherit it from your kids (their parents).  Lineage of the rifle and original owner of when this bill takes effect is required for inheritance.  If your grandkids are old enough at the time of your death, I would think them inheriting the rifles would be legal which would guarantee at least two future generations of legal ownership. 

I'm definitely not a lawyer....but this is the way I interpret this mess.   
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 09:52:27 AM
It is crazy bad.

All you guys that bought silencers, muzzel  breaks and have semi auto rifles with threaded barrels ,thumbhole stocks, extended grips on shotguns or rifles (semi) are in the commie stew.

And even if you can keep what you got, when you are gone much of it cannot be inherited.

I'm pretty sure it can be inherited.....at least by the son's and daughters.  The question, and it is vague at best, is whether or not their kids (i.e. your grandkids) can inherit it from your kids (their parents).  Lineage of the rifle and original owner of when this bill takes effect is required for inheritance.  If your grandkids are old enough at the time of your death, I would think them inheriting the rifles would be legal which would guarantee at least two future generations of legal ownership. 

I'm definitely not a lawyer....but this is the way I interpret this mess.

Wouldn’t it be once inherited, you would then be “owner” and then that owner would be able to pass down?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 09, 2023, 10:13:07 AM
It is crazy bad.

All you guys that bought silencers, muzzel  breaks and have semi auto rifles with threaded barrels ,thumbhole stocks, extended grips on shotguns or rifles (semi) are in the commie stew.

And even if you can keep what you got, when you are gone much of it cannot be inherited.

I'm pretty sure it can be inherited.....at least by the son's and daughters.  The question, and it is vague at best, is whether or not their kids (i.e. your grandkids) can inherit it from your kids (their parents).  Lineage of the rifle and original owner of when this bill takes effect is required for inheritance.  If your grandkids are old enough at the time of your death, I would think them inheriting the rifles would be legal which would guarantee at least two future generations of legal ownership. 

I'm definitely not a lawyer....but this is the way I interpret this mess.

Wouldn’t it be once inherited, you would then be “owner” and then that owner would be able to pass down?

You would think so, but I believe the bill had verbiage that says otherwise.  Not saying it is legal or not...but that is how it was explained to me. 

It was this section specifically.  the word "provenance" or proof of origin....which means it will become important to document your family lineage and firearm history for those rifles being handed down.  I would think a trust would suffice...but again, I'm no lawyer so I really have no idea. 

(d) The receipt of an assault weapon by a person who, on or after
13 the effective date of this section, acquires possession of the
14 assault weapon by operation of law upon the death of the former owner
15 who was in legal possession of the assault weapon, provided the
16 person in possession of the assault weapon can establish such
17 provenance. Receipt under this subsection (2)(d) is not
18 "distribution" under this chapter. A person who legally receives an
19 assault weapon under this subsection (2)(d) may not sell or transfer
20 the assault weapon to any other person in this state other than to a
21 licensed dealer, to a federally licensed gunsmith for the purpose of
22 service or repair, or to a law enforcement agency for the purpose of
permanently relinquishing the assault weapon.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on March 09, 2023, 10:25:55 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.   
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on March 09, 2023, 10:28:43 AM
It is crazy bad.

All you guys that bought silencers, muzzel  breaks and have semi auto rifles with threaded barrels ,thumbhole stocks, extended grips on shotguns or rifles (semi) are in the commie stew.

And even if you can keep what you got, when you are gone much of it cannot be inherited.

I'm pretty sure it can be inherited.....at least by the son's and daughters.  The question, and it is vague at best, is whether or not their kids (i.e. your grandkids) can inherit it from your kids (their parents).  Lineage of the rifle and original owner of when this bill takes effect is required for inheritance.  If your grandkids are old enough at the time of your death, I would think them inheriting the rifles would be legal which would guarantee at least two future generations of legal ownership. 

I'm definitely not a lawyer....but this is the way I interpret this mess.

I think the video spelled out that yes your son or daughter could inherit, but they could not pass them on to their kids. But not sure,  :dunno:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 09, 2023, 10:31:13 AM
crazy the chain of custody will stop at your children and not carry on.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on March 09, 2023, 10:39:23 AM
Well we all know the end game here. Couple generations and the guns listed will be gone.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on March 09, 2023, 10:46:17 AM
Look back at history.
Like 1776 type history.
It's not the gun that sets you free.
It's a secret.........hold on.....its coming.

Gunpowder !
That's what gave you freedom.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on March 09, 2023, 10:49:05 AM
I'm not even worried.
Not gonna even blink an eye. :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 09, 2023, 11:07:18 AM
There was a post on here about responding to any Leo questions. I believe the advice was don't answer anything. Perhaps that is the best advice given.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 09, 2023, 11:26:40 AM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 11:34:32 AM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?

I know you can when you die.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 09, 2023, 11:40:18 AM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?

I know you can when you die.

But then it stops there
They won’t be able to pass it down
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on March 09, 2023, 12:01:58 PM
Two D's voted against. Rule and Shavers. Otherwise, voted along party lines as expected.

Wonder if they are up for re-election next cycle???

Dems are great at voting against something KNOWING it will pass, then use it in their next campaign in order to sway the LIV to keep them in office!   "See, I voted against the illegal ban bill!!  Keep me in office please, I'll continue to save the democracy!!!"
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on March 09, 2023, 12:04:56 PM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?

I know you can when you die.

But then it stops there
They won’t be able to pass it down
So what then.
You supposed to turn them.
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 09, 2023, 12:06:55 PM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?

I know you can when you die.

But then it stops there
They won’t be able to pass it down
So what then.
You supposed to turn them.
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

My kids will be moving to another state that is not ran by idiots.   :tup: :tup:  I'll make sure of it. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Sundance on March 09, 2023, 12:12:57 PM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?

Just to play it safe, look into setting up a Trust and having your children listed at the beneficiary(s). Then transfer those firearms to the trust. I would be careful adding them as co-trustee's because if you apply for NFA items (short barreled rifles, suppressors, etc.) they would need to fill out the Form 5320 and submit figerprints as well.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2023, 12:34:21 PM
AK-47 in all forms
p. 2 HB 1240
1 AK-74 in all forms
2 Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic
3 American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine
4 AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms
5 AR 180 type semiautomatic
6 Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic
7 Australian Automatic
8 Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics
9 Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic
10 Barrett .50 cal M87
11 Barrett .50 cal M107A1
12 Barrett REC7
13 Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic
14 Bushmaster Carbon 15
15 Bushmaster ACR
16 Bushmaster XM-15
17 Bushmaster MOE
18 Calico models M100 and M900
19 CETME Sporter
20 CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic
21 Colt CAR 15
22 Daewoo K-1
23 Daewoo K-2
24 Dragunov semiautomatic
25 Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms
26 Fabrique Nationale F2000
27 Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter
28 Fabrique Nationale M249S
29 Fabrique Nationale PS90
30 Fabrique Nationale SCAR
31 FAMAS .223 semiautomatic
32 Galil
p. 3 HB 1240
1 Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms
2 Heckler & Koch HK-41/91
3 Heckler & Koch HK-43/93
4 Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3
5 Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms
6 Heckler & Koch PSG-1
7 Heckler & Koch SL8
8 Heckler & Koch UMP
9 Manchester Arms Commando MK-45
10 Manchester Arms MK-9
11 SAR-4800
12 SIG AMT SG510 in all forms
13 SIG SG550 in all forms
14 SKS
15 Spectre M4
16 Springfield Armory BM-59
17 Springfield Armory G3
18 Springfield Armory SAR-8
19 Springfield Armory SAR-48
20 Springfield Armory SAR-3
21 Springfield Armory M-21 sniper
22 Springfield Armory M1A
23 Smith & Wesson M&P 15
24 Sterling Mk 1
25 Sterling Mk 6/7
26 Steyr AUG
27 TNW M230
28 FAMAS F11
29 Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 09, 2023, 12:39:51 PM
I'll admit I haven't really read this bill yet. Can someone who has tell me.....if I will still be able to gift one of my AR's to my boys when they turn the appropriate age?

I know you can when you die.

But then it stops there
They won’t be able to pass it down
So what then.
You supposed to turn them.
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

My kids will be moving to another state that is not ran by idiots.   :tup: :tup:  I'll make sure of it. 

That’s what it says lol😂
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 09, 2023, 12:41:39 PM
AK-47 in all forms
p. 2 HB 1240
1 AK-74 in all forms
2 Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic
3 American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine
4 AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms
5 AR 180 type semiautomatic
6 Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic
7 Australian Automatic
8 Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics
9 Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic
10 Barrett .50 cal M87
11 Barrett .50 cal M107A1
12 Barrett REC7
13 Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic
14 Bushmaster Carbon 15
15 Bushmaster ACR
16 Bushmaster XM-15
17 Bushmaster MOE
18 Calico models M100 and M900
19 CETME Sporter
20 CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic
21 Colt CAR 15
22 Daewoo K-1
23 Daewoo K-2
24 Dragunov semiautomatic
25 Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms
26 Fabrique Nationale F2000
27 Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter
28 Fabrique Nationale M249S
29 Fabrique Nationale PS90
30 Fabrique Nationale SCAR
31 FAMAS .223 semiautomatic
32 Galil
p. 3 HB 1240
1 Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms
2 Heckler & Koch HK-41/91
3 Heckler & Koch HK-43/93
4 Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3
5 Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms
6 Heckler & Koch PSG-1
7 Heckler & Koch SL8
8 Heckler & Koch UMP
9 Manchester Arms Commando MK-45
10 Manchester Arms MK-9
11 SAR-4800
12 SIG AMT SG510 in all forms
13 SIG SG550 in all forms
14 SKS
15 Spectre M4
16 Springfield Armory BM-59
17 Springfield Armory G3
18 Springfield Armory SAR-8
19 Springfield Armory SAR-48
20 Springfield Armory SAR-3
21 Springfield Armory M-21 sniper
22 Springfield Armory M1A
23 Smith & Wesson M&P 15
24 Sterling Mk 1
25 Sterling Mk 6/7
26 Steyr AUG
27 TNW M230
28 FAMAS F11
29 Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle

And that doesn’t even include the parts list they are banning
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 01:16:56 PM
Yeah I was gonna copy and paste more of the bill too but I'm supposed to be working. And I don't want Bearpaw to have to buy more server space. :chuckle:

This really puts me in limbo. I need to chop and thread my Tikka barrel for my suppressor. But if it goes from ATF jail to Washington State jail and I'm left with a 16.5" barrel on a 6.5 creed idk how it's gonna perform.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jhawk13 on March 09, 2023, 02:10:29 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 02:32:16 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.

Yeah I think the intent is to ban AR pistols essentially. And those glock folding chassis systems.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: silverdalesauer on March 09, 2023, 02:55:36 PM
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 09, 2023, 03:20:28 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.

I actually believe that is their intention is to make it vague like that and later tell everyone that’s what we meant are slides as well and go after those
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2023, 03:22:36 PM
Yeah I was gonna copy and paste more of the bill too but I'm supposed to be working. And I don't want Bearpaw to have to buy more server space. :chuckle:

This really puts me in limbo. I need to chop and thread my Tikka barrel for my suppressor. But if it goes from ATF jail to Washington State jail and I'm left with a 16.5" barrel on a 6.5 creed idk how it's gonna perform.

I dont think this ban would impact you at all being that your tikka is not an “assault weapon” or whatever they say… its a bolt gun

I also dont see anything in regard to suppressor legality in any of these bills, but admittedly havent read them all.

Also, your tikka will perform exactly the same or very close to it at 16.5 inches with and without the suppressor. Its the same gun just quieter with the can. Regardless if it has a suppressor or not, it would still be a 16.5 inch 6.5 creed… 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 03:35:40 PM
I dont think this ban would impact you at all being that your tikka is not an “assault weapon” or whatever they say… its a bolt gun

I also dont see anything in regard to suppressor legality in any of these bills, but admittedly havent read them all.

Also, your tikka will perform exactly the same or very close to it at 16.5 inches with and without the suppressor. Its the same gun just quieter with the can. Regardless if it has a suppressor or not, it would still be a 16.5 inch 6.5 creed…

Yeah everytime I read it I come out with the opposite interpretation. The way they do it outline format but don't really tier/tab out the sections like it would look on Word throws me off from following it. I think you're right though. If I break it out...

(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;


I got a similar answer on the slide about the barrel. Guy said it would just be a boom cannon. I should get the other end threaded and get a coupler made  :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2023, 03:48:41 PM
I dont think this ban would impact you at all being that your tikka is not an “assault weapon” or whatever they say… its a bolt gun

I also dont see anything in regard to suppressor legality in any of these bills, but admittedly havent read them all.

Also, your tikka will perform exactly the same or very close to it at 16.5 inches with and without the suppressor. Its the same gun just quieter with the can. Regardless if it has a suppressor or not, it would still be a 16.5 inch 6.5 creed…

Yeah everytime I read it I come out with the opposite interpretation. The way they do it outline format but don't really tier/tab out the sections like it would look on Word throws me off from following it. I think you're right though. If I break it out...

(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;


I got a similar answer on the slide about the barrel. Guy said it would just be a boom cannon. I should get the other end threaded and get a coupler made  :chuckle:
Plus im going to say all the suppressors in jail will come out as i have a few in there too and dont want them to be lost. 😆
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 09, 2023, 03:50:56 PM
My wife's in law enforcement  :IBCOOL: :kneel:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jhawk13 on March 09, 2023, 03:51:56 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.

I actually believe that is their intention is to make it vague like that and later tell everyone that’s what we meant are slides as well and go after those

So, I am not losing my mind.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Sundance on March 09, 2023, 04:34:25 PM
How do they hope to regulate/enforce parts sales from private parties? With all the Reddit/Facebook groups there are tons of parts changing hands daily. Sad to think that this may be the only option going forward for a buffer tube, magpul stock, or Rearden brake.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 04:37:10 PM
My wife's in law enforcement  :IBCOOL: :kneel:

You know that this law will not make her job any easier right?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 09, 2023, 04:39:41 PM
My wife's in law enforcement  :IBCOOL: :kneel:

You know that this law will not make her job any easier right?

Everything Dimsley and Furgeson does makes her job harder. I was just pointing out she would be exempt from the proposed law.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2023, 04:41:20 PM
My wife's in law enforcement  :IBCOOL: :kneel:

You know that this law will not make her job any easier right?

Everything Dimsley and Furgeson does makes her job harder. I was just pointing out she would be exempt from the proposed law.

I think that law enforcement should not be exempt.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 09, 2023, 05:20:03 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.

I actually believe that is their intention is to make it vague like that and later tell everyone that’s what we meant are slides as well and go after those

So, I am not losing my mind.

No😁
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highcountry_hunter on March 09, 2023, 06:15:37 PM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.
Christ almighty. This is like saying “I never put in for spring bear so it doesn’t matter to me.”


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on March 09, 2023, 06:19:45 PM
I lost everything in a boating accident unfortunately
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 09, 2023, 06:37:15 PM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.
Christ almighty. This is like saying “I never put in for spring bear so it doesn’t matter to me.”


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I think he means, all his “assault” weapons were lost in a tragic boating accident. The same as mine were. Therefore do not have any, anymore.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jstone on March 09, 2023, 06:38:49 PM
Thank You whom all voted for Dirt Bag.!!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jhawk13 on March 09, 2023, 06:44:49 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.

I actually believe that is their intention is to make it vague like that and later tell everyone that’s what we meant are slides as well and go after those

So, I am not losing my mind.

No😁

Man this credit card bill is going to be tough  :)
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Romulus1297 on March 09, 2023, 11:08:32 PM
What criminal is using this  :dunno:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on March 09, 2023, 11:16:54 PM
Very curious as to how others interpret the language for semiauto pistols portion of the bill.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

33 (C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel
34 designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat,

Sooo is the slide on any semi auto pistol going to be considered a shroud and not able to be purchased?

Technically not what I believe the wording to intend but I can imagine it being used in that fashion.

I actually believe that is their intention is to make it vague like that and later tell everyone that’s what we meant are slides as well and go after those

So, I am not losing my mind.

No😁

Man this credit card bill is going to be tough  :)

 Use cash, defund the credit card companies! :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 10, 2023, 07:36:18 AM
What criminal is using this  :dunno:
The crime is not voting for the right party.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Sundance on March 10, 2023, 07:52:07 AM
FYI, Palmetto is prioritizing all orders shipping to WA.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2023, 08:42:36 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.
Christ almighty. This is like saying “I never put in for spring bear so it doesn’t matter to me.”


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All my guns sunk to the bottom of the lake.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 10, 2023, 08:56:59 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: vandeman17 on March 10, 2023, 08:59:49 AM
What if I have an assault bow and arrow? Is that next on the chopping block? Assault muzzleloader...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on March 10, 2023, 09:22:23 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.
The bill is inclusive of pistols with a combination of a detachable magazine and a threaded barrel. Such as Ruger 22/45.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 10, 2023, 09:23:59 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

So you claim that you don't possess any assault weapons or that you have lost them in a boating accident. Are you happy having a Safe Queen that will never see the light of day?
It is all about perception and they can twist the regs to include the 10/22 you have for your grandkids if they choose.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on March 10, 2023, 09:24:00 AM
FYI, Palmetto is prioritizing all orders shipping to WA.
Please don’t bother with palmetto state armory when there’s are plenty of manufacturers and dealers in Washington state that have put their faces and names on the record and front line against this garbage.


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07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on March 10, 2023, 09:33:41 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

I suggest it all apply to every Gun owner. I do t own the restricted guns either. But I did own a gun with 17+ mags. And I own a pump shotgun that holds 14.

But it doesn’t t take much thinking to understand they are just getting started. If you think your SxS shotgun is safe you are not paying attention. Every weapon will be on the ban list sooner or latter if they are not stopped.
Attacks at every level, uses of firearms and bows, ammo, gun stores, manufacturers, organizations , personal rights, lines of inheritance, it’s all on the chopping block and every gun or bow owner or out door consumptive user including fisherman had better get on board if you want anything left.

Yeah I said fisherman too. The internet is full of anti crying about the brutal way we treat fish.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2023, 09:42:33 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

So you claim that you don't possess any assault weapons or that you have lost them in a boating accident. Are you happy having a Safe Queen that will never see the light of day?
It is all about perception and they can twist the regs to include the 10/22 you have for your grandkids if they choose.
The 10-22 is already classified as an "assault rifle". It may eventually be included in the "assault weapons" list.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 10, 2023, 09:45:40 AM
I am aware of this. Just using it as an example. If Inslee and his crony's get their way, my gravel shoot will be illegal also.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: buckfvr on March 10, 2023, 11:24:18 AM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

I suggest it all apply to every Gun owner. I do t own the restricted guns either. But I did own a gun with 17+ mags. And I own a pump shotgun that holds 14.

But it doesn’t t take much thinking to understand they are just getting started. If you think your SxS shotgun is safe you are not paying attention. Every weapon will be on the ban list sooner or latter if they are not stopped.
Attacks at every level, uses of firearms and bows, ammo, gun stores, manufacturers, organizations , personal rights, lines of inheritance, it’s all on the chopping block and every gun or bow owner or out door consumptive user including fisherman had better get on board if you want anything left.

Yeah I said fisherman too. The internet is full of anti crying about the brutal way we treat fish.


This is the truth.

They want everything you can think of.  No freedoms, no weapons, no choice.  They see themselves as the reigning "Elite" while everyone else are their subjects.  Total control.  Sounds far fetched but it absolutely is the goal.  Many of the politicians are sheep too and dont realize they are being driven to the edge themselves as they push us in that direction.  Welcome to the new world order. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2023, 01:34:36 PM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

So you claim that you don't possess any assault weapons or that you have lost them in a boating accident. Are you happy having a Safe Queen that will never see the light of day?
It is all about perception and they can twist the regs to include the 10/22 you have for your grandkids if they choose.

Does nobody see the sarcasm in TH’s comment?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: vandeman17 on March 10, 2023, 01:37:57 PM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

So you claim that you don't possess any assault weapons or that you have lost them in a boating accident. Are you happy having a Safe Queen that will never see the light of day?
It is all about perception and they can twist the regs to include the 10/22 you have for your grandkids if they choose.

Does nobody see the sarcasm in TH’s comment?

Jerry is never sarcastic...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 10, 2023, 01:42:51 PM
Sportco gun counter is dialed. I just bought 3 lowers in about 45 min. Counter was full and I was 6th in line waiting. Also I heard Aero is having a blowout blem sale tomorrow at Bulls Eye I believe. Starts at 11am
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Alan K on March 10, 2023, 08:13:58 PM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

So you claim that you don't possess any assault weapons or that you have lost them in a boating accident. Are you happy having a Safe Queen that will never see the light of day?
It is all about perception and they can twist the regs to include the 10/22 you have for your grandkids if they choose.
The 10-22 is already classified as an "assault rifle". It may eventually be included in the "assault weapons" list.

Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 10, 2023, 09:12:04 PM
Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?

Yeah I'm not seeing that in this legislation either. I really want a suppressed backpacker model. Am I missing something??

(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:
(i) Any of the following specific firearms regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
(No Ruger weapons listed)

(ii) A semiautomatic rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches; (standard Ruger 10/22 is 37" OAL)

(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; or (honestly not really sure what this section pertains to, other than being purposefully vague to prevent purchasing of parts)

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following: (lists AR parts, grenade launchers, etc.)

(v) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;

(vi) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following: (Ruger 10/22 has an 18.5" barrel, should be considered a rifle)

(vii) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the following:

And that's the end of the Roman Numeral subsections under the "assault weapon" definition section.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: tritt007 on March 10, 2023, 09:23:15 PM
From my understanding a regular 10/22 is ok maybe ? But your threaded backpacker model is not because it can accept over a 10 round magazine and has a threaded barrel
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 10, 2023, 09:24:37 PM
It was from that initiative 1639 I believe that designated it an assault rifle.  It isn't an assault weapon on this legislation....yet.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2023, 09:26:21 PM
Well, I don't own an assault rifle so none of this applies to me.

 Really?  :chuckle: Obviously, those that already have all they need fit that statement much better than what you describe!

180 out!

So you claim that you don't possess any assault weapons or that you have lost them in a boating accident. Are you happy having a Safe Queen that will never see the light of day?
It is all about perception and they can twist the regs to include the 10/22 you have for your grandkids if they choose.
The 10-22 is already classified as an "assault rifle". It may eventually be included in the "assault weapons" list.

Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?
It is already considered an assault rifle. All semi automatic rifles are now. An assault weapon is what this new bill would define.

(30) "Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Kola16 on March 11, 2023, 12:57:19 AM
Thank you Democrats. Thank all of you Democrats on this forum. You just banned a crap ton of our hunting guns. You really are a blessing to this nation  :)
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on March 11, 2023, 05:41:58 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heres-how-progressive-lawyers-using-public-nuisance-lawsuits-outlaw-guns
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 11, 2023, 07:32:34 AM
I can already feel the crime dropping....... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Alex4200 on March 11, 2023, 07:35:35 AM
I was walking by a local gun counter yesterday. The argument being made on the customer side of the counter was ….

“this bill says all semi auto weapons are now considered assault weapons. That includes all shotguns, all pistols, and all rifles.”

I do believe blurred interpretations is one of the main purposes of this bill. That makes it easier to attack 2A rights on various fronts. I also hope it makes it easier to poke holes in this bill.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on March 11, 2023, 08:23:04 AM
I too was near a gun counter yesterday and was talking to a fellow about the ban. 30 ft away the counter person who was processing a firearm sale , injected, “That has not passed yet”

I said it’s in the State Senate and it will pass” She acted like it was no big deal.

But what gets me is how many folks don’t even have a clue about this bill at all. Don’t even know it exists.

And the common response is, “ I have all the guns I need, won’t bother me”

Part of it is that folks are so sick of politics that they have just turned off and tuned out. I find myself doing the same. Watch nightly news maybe twice a month.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on March 11, 2023, 08:26:40 AM
One of the biggest threats I believe is the movement to make shootings a Public Health Issue. Trying to get Health Departments to push the agenda.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on March 11, 2023, 10:21:21 AM
This is from an Aero Precision FB post.


In response to the escalation of HB 1240, we’re teaming up with our friends at Bullseye’s Indoor Range in Tacoma to host Aero Day TODAY. If you’re in the greater Tacoma area, come grab what you need. Details below and in our story.
Aero Day At Bullseye Indoor Range
414 Puyallup Ave Suite A, Tacoma, WA 98421
Saturday March 11th from 11am-7pm
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: tritt007 on March 11, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
Everything on aero precision’s website is 25% and free shipping for Washington residents FYI . The code is WA25 and you have to actually put in your address before the code can be applied .
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 11, 2023, 02:10:12 PM
This is from an Aero Precision FB post.


In response to the escalation of HB 1240, we’re teaming up with our friends at Bullseye’s Indoor Range in Tacoma to host Aero Day TODAY. If you’re in the greater Tacoma area, come grab what you need. Details below and in our story.
Aero Day At Bullseye Indoor Range
414 Puyallup Ave Suite A, Tacoma, WA 98421
Saturday March 11th from 11am-7pm


The line is out the door 50 plus people. Limiting # of people in the store.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 11, 2023, 03:39:10 PM
Waste of time unless you wanted to get a lower. Better deal using the wa25 code online because new non blem parts in the in the store were only 10 off
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 11, 2023, 04:04:19 PM
I'd like to know why our AG is pushing legislation.

The AG office should be completely neutral on this, and all things legal in this state.
At any moment he could be in court defending laws in favor of "assault weapons" sales in this state.

The AG is part of the executive branch - he's supposed to execute laws not write them. But it still took sponsorship and a vote of the House to pass it. Sideshow Bob wants to be Governor next, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on March 11, 2023, 04:07:22 PM
If you purchase online today and it takes 2 weeks to deliver to ffl
Is it still considered legal ?
Asking for a friend
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 11, 2023, 04:13:50 PM
If you purchase online today and it takes 2 weeks to deliver to ffl
Is it still considered legal ?
Asking for a friend

It hasn't passed the senate yet and it may not. If you're sitting on the fence about it though, better start working on it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 11, 2023, 04:17:06 PM
If you purchase online today and it takes 2 weeks to deliver to ffl
Is it still considered legal ?
Asking for a friend

It hasn't passed the senate yet and it may not. If you're sitting on the fence about it though, better start working on it.

It’s still in committee. It’s not a done deal yet.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on March 11, 2023, 04:20:18 PM
I get that but I told my son in law to get moving on it
His question was if I order it online can I still get it ?
I said
Read the bill
I think if you purchase it
Its yours
Then a couple weeks to receive at the FFL
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on March 11, 2023, 04:36:52 PM
I get that but I told my son in law to get moving on it
His question was if I order it online can I still get it ?
I said
Read the bill
I think if you purchase it
Its yours
Then a couple weeks to receive at the FFL

You would be mistaken Washington gun law did a video on this.
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Post by: MADMAX on March 11, 2023, 04:47:26 PM
This one ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U08DtLAs5WE
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: tritt007 on March 11, 2023, 04:52:34 PM
From my understanding if it is not in your possession when king dongface signs this awful piece of “legislation” than your purchase is null and void and you do not receive your item . 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on March 11, 2023, 06:37:24 PM
So in reading the bill and there’s talk about threaded barrels and muzzle brakes. Now am I reading that as only band as parts of semi automatic weapons, or no threaded barrels, are muzzle brakes for anything like bolt guns?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 11, 2023, 06:52:11 PM
So in reading the bill and there’s talk about threaded barrels and muzzle brakes. Now am I reading that as only band as parts of semi automatic weapons, or no threaded barrels, are muzzle brakes for anything like bolt guns?

As I read it only semi auto not bolt guns
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Post by: Special T on March 11, 2023, 07:27:15 PM
This one ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U08DtLAs5WE


Nope this one.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on March 11, 2023, 07:50:54 PM
So in reading the bill and there’s talk about threaded barrels and muzzle brakes. Now am I reading that as only band as parts of semi automatic weapons, or no threaded barrels, are muzzle brakes for anything like bolt guns?

As I read it only semi auto not bolt guns

So how will a company decipher whether your buying a break or a suppressor for a bolt gun or semi auto?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on March 11, 2023, 08:24:13 PM
So in reading the bill and there’s talk about threaded barrels and muzzle brakes. Now am I reading that as only band as parts of semi automatic weapons, or no threaded barrels, are muzzle brakes for anything like bolt guns?

As I read it only semi auto not bolt guns

So how will a company decipher whether your buying a break or a suppressor for a bolt gun or semi auto?

It appears that if this law is passed and stands you have to prove how/when you acquired all your stuff.  :twocents: 
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Post by: ghosthunter on March 11, 2023, 09:57:19 PM
So in reading the bill and there’s talk about threaded barrels and muzzle brakes. Now am I reading that as only band as parts of semi automatic weapons, or no threaded barrels, are muzzle brakes for anything like bolt guns?

As I read it only semi auto not bolt guns

So how will a company decipher whether your buying a break or a suppressor for a bolt gun or semi auto?

It appears that if this law is passed and stands you have to prove how/when you acquired all your stuff.  :twocents:




It was t that long ago we were buying guns off tailgate’s,how they going to account for those?

How can they require records for firearms that were purchased years before the law?

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Post by: Romulus1297 on March 11, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Why is this a scary gun :dunno:
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 12, 2023, 08:26:27 AM
So in reading the bill and there’s talk about threaded barrels and muzzle brakes. Now am I reading that as only band as parts of semi automatic weapons, or no threaded barrels, are muzzle brakes for anything like bolt guns?

As I read it only semi auto not bolt guns

So how will a company decipher whether your buying a break or a suppressor for a bolt gun or semi auto?

It appears that if this law is passed and stands you have to prove how/when you acquired all your stuff.  :twocents:




It was t that long ago we were buying guns off tailgate’s,how they going to account for those?

How can they require records for firearms that were purchased years before the law?
And it shows that there was no faith in previous legislation by antis, other than gauging how quickly they could implement the next piece.  (As if anybody on here really had a doubt.)  I don't think the ink is dry enough on the last one that raised the age to 21 and required a special course, to determine in data for antis if it was working.  Yet they duped enough people into thinking it would, and now are going another step.  What's the next one going to be in 2024 (main election year)?
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Post by: GWP on March 12, 2023, 08:42:18 AM
Just saw a politician stating that it is a "step by step process".
They are not done stripping law abiding citizens of the ability to protect themselves.
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Post by: fowl smacker on March 12, 2023, 08:43:41 AM
I've said it before.  Death by 1,000 cuts.  People don't care about some of the cuts that don't affect them, til slice by slice one finally catches them and its too late.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 12, 2023, 09:12:21 AM
If you purchase online today and it takes 2 weeks to deliver to ffl
Is it still considered legal ?
Asking for a friend

It hasn't passed the senate yet and it may not. If you're sitting on the fence about it though, better start working on it.

Not on the fence anymore.  Hoping it doesn't pass.  Hoping my CC takes a hit and transfer is made in time. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: konradcountry on March 12, 2023, 06:19:17 PM
Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?

Washington doesn't have a rimfire exemption in its definition like other states.

The 10-22 is a Squirrel Assault Doom Rifle

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Post by: Clark33 on March 12, 2023, 07:07:53 PM
What is the timeline people are thinking here?  I remember 1619 or whatever it was had a few months between passing and implementation of the law so business could get their ducks in a row.  I can't imagine them passing this and boom next day its law and every FFL in the state now has inventory they can't sell.  Also, any chance this gets challenged legally and bogged down in court? 

This state is ass backwards
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on March 12, 2023, 07:11:08 PM
What is the timeline people are thinking here?  I remember 1619 or whatever it was had a few months between passing and implementation of the law so business could get their ducks in a row.  I can't imagine them passing this and boom next day its law and every FFL in the state now has inventory they can't sell.  Also, any chance this gets challenged legally and bogged down in court? 

This state is ass backwards

This law takes affect as soon as the governor signs it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 12, 2023, 07:23:59 PM
Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?

Washington doesn't have a rimfire exemption in its definition like other states.

The 10-22 is a Squirrel Assault Doom Rifle

Why would it need an exemption? The 10/22 doesn’t meet any of the criteria of banned guns. Reference my post on page 6.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on March 12, 2023, 07:47:21 PM
Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?

Washington doesn't have a rimfire exemption in its definition like other states.

The 10-22 is a Squirrel Assault Doom Rifle

Why would it need an exemption? The 10/22 doesn’t meet any of the criteria of banned guns. Reference my post on page 6.
The 10-22 is an assault rifle, not an assault weapon. Not yet anyway.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 12, 2023, 08:42:44 PM
Are you sure the 10-22 is considered an assault weapon under this? I thought it is centerfire rifles?

Washington doesn't have a rimfire exemption in its definition like other states.

The 10-22 is a Squirrel Assault Doom Rifle

Why would it need an exemption? The 10/22 doesn’t meet any of the criteria of banned guns. Reference my post on page 6.
The 10-22 is an assault rifle, not an assault weapon. Not yet anyway.

So it is not effectively banned by HB 1240 in its current form.
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Post by: Phillip.beaudry on March 12, 2023, 09:29:23 PM
Let’s not forget that even accessories can be classified as “assault weapons” under this law. And your grand kids won’t be able to inherit your guns from your kids.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: shotguunar on March 13, 2023, 06:04:13 PM
how I interpret the constitution of the United States is the back bone in which keeps this country going every amendment is federal and was put their for a reason to keep the politicians from overstepping their positions so where the hell are all of the federal judges? It is kind of a no brainer to send our state senators letters on. gun control when they are all liberals what we need is a list of all the federal judges we need to send them e mails letters and ask them why they are letting these politicians make a fools of the founding fathers of this country.I was reading somewhere maybe it was on this site the 2 nd ammendmate doesn't care if it is a musket or semi auto rifle or a colt 45 single action pistol it was put into place because our founding fathers new the old king would be around again and they wanted to make sure they didn't overstep their boundary's So eventually I am sure this will end up in the supreme court
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Post by: goosehunter12 on March 14, 2023, 07:16:09 AM
This is now in Committee in the Senate - do they have to publish a time frame on a vote or does it just move through, I know which way our great state goes since we are out numbered on votes - but every person that cares about their rights needs to voice their opposition, I don't agree with 100% of it, seeing a fiends scenario, at a minimum getting something added that transfers inside immediate family (spouses, sons or daughters  at age) should get added even though it's a long shot 
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Post by: pickardjw on March 14, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
The Senate has until April 12
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Post by: turkeyfeather on March 14, 2023, 09:33:17 AM
Dems almost certainly have to pass this to keep their constituents happy. But I can't help but hope even they know it's wrong and will drag it out until the last second.
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Post by: KNOPHISH on March 14, 2023, 12:09:54 PM
If a bill is Unconstitutional it is illegal and those who brought it up, sideshow Bob, and voted on it, legislators, that would be a crime punishable by prison and fines.
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Post by: greenhead_killer on March 14, 2023, 12:25:48 PM
If a bill is Unconstitutional it is illegal and those who brought it up, sideshow Bob, and voted on it, legislators, that would be a crime punishable by prison and fines.
this would be common sense, something I see we lack at the legislative level.
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Post by: bigtex on March 14, 2023, 12:28:29 PM
If a bill is Unconstitutional it is illegal and those who brought it up, sideshow Bob, and voted on it, legislators, that would be a crime punishable by prison and fines.
Ya? What's that statute?

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Post by: baker5150 on March 14, 2023, 12:35:45 PM
If a bill is Unconstitutional it is illegal and those who brought it up, sideshow Bob, and voted on it, legislators, that would be a crime punishable by prison and fines.

Would be?  or Should be?
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Post by: pickardjw on March 14, 2023, 12:46:36 PM
If anyone is looking for some hope instead of doom and gloom, this fella (who claims to have spent 4 years as chief staffer to a WA senate committee chair) does not believe it will pass the Senate based on the published committee schedule.

"Full week of Law and Justice Committee meetings scheduled yet no hearing for 1240. Committee agenda is published through the 16th - it’s not scheduled. And they need a couple days notice to schedule a hearing. So it’ll be the 20th at the absolute soonest and I doubt that bc I think they’ll let it die here. even if it passed Law & Justice it’s got Ways and Means (another hearing required) and Rules Committee then a floor vote. There’s no time, and you can tell they aren’t planning on moving it because if they were they’d have greased the committee schedule already as there’s no time to waste."

"it’s five days notice required for a public hearing and they’re scheduled through the 16th. and there’s two more committees after this one before the floor. The senate moves slower anyway. You’d know if they planned to run this bill. They’d be running it. The priorities are the ones that got scheduled already and had companion bills. this isn’t some mystical tarot card reading it’s calling balls and strikes."


https://www.reddit.com/r/WAGuns/comments/11qzkem/1240_not_gonna_pass/
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 14, 2023, 12:48:52 PM
If anyone is looking for some hope instead of doom and gloom, this fella (who claims to have spent 4 years as chief staffer to a WA senate committee chair) does not believe it will pass the Senate based on the published committee schedule.

"Full week of Law and Justice Committee meetings scheduled yet no hearing for 1240. Committee agenda is published through the 16th - it’s not scheduled. And they need a couple days notice to schedule a hearing. So it’ll be the 20th at the absolute soonest and I doubt that bc I think they’ll let it die here. even if it passed Law & Justice it’s got Ways and Means (another hearing required) and Rules Committee then a floor vote. There’s no time, and you can tell they aren’t planning on moving it because if they were they’d have greased the committee schedule already as there’s no time to waste."

"it’s five days notice required for a public hearing and they’re scheduled through the 16th. and there’s two more committees after this one before the floor. The senate moves slower anyway. You’d know if they planned to run this bill. They’d be running it. The priorities are the ones that got scheduled already and had companion bills. this isn’t some mystical tarot card reading it’s calling balls and strikes."


https://www.reddit.com/r/WAGuns/comments/11qzkem/1240_not_gonna_pass/

Maybe the process does work?
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Post by: Bob33 on March 14, 2023, 12:59:25 PM
I have little doubt that within five years I've have at least one "assault weapon" in my gun safe that I already own.
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Post by: addicted on March 14, 2023, 01:33:17 PM
If a bill is Unconstitutional it is illegal and those who brought it up, sideshow Bob, and voted on it, legislators, that would be a crime punishable by prison and fines.

The constitution has no teeth unless there are krassnyites.
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Post by: turkeyfeather on March 14, 2023, 01:36:42 PM
I have little doubt that within five years I've have at least one "assault weapon" in my gun safe that I already own.
Yup.....if they don't get it now, they will in the near future. I have absolute faith in the communists running this state.
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Post by: pickardjw on March 14, 2023, 01:46:29 PM
Maybe the process does work?

Illinois passed their AWB only 36 hours after it was introduced as an insurance bill or something like that. Seems like WA dems won't be that brazen but wouldn't put it past them to bend the rules and pass it last minute.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 14, 2023, 02:38:37 PM
Maybe the process does work?

Illinois passed their AWB only 36 hours after it was introduced as an insurance bill or something like that. Seems like WA dems won't be that brazen but wouldn't put it past them to bend the rules and pass it last minute.

Maybe.

But I think Wa uses different rules and decorum. I think that the majority controls the legislation and the minority controls the scheduling?

Does anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 14, 2023, 02:50:41 PM
If a bill is Unconstitutional it is illegal and those who brought it up, sideshow Bob, and voted on it, legislators, that would be a crime punishable by prison and fines.

Ya, Should be.
Would be?  or Should be?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on March 14, 2023, 04:42:11 PM
If anyone is looking for some hope instead of doom and gloom, this fella (who claims to have spent 4 years as chief staffer to a WA senate committee chair) does not believe it will pass the Senate based on the published committee schedule.

"Full week of Law and Justice Committee meetings scheduled yet no hearing for 1240. Committee agenda is published through the 16th - it’s not scheduled. And they need a couple days notice to schedule a hearing. So it’ll be the 20th at the absolute soonest and I doubt that bc I think they’ll let it die here. even if it passed Law & Justice it’s got Ways and Means (another hearing required) and Rules Committee then a floor vote. There’s no time, and you can tell they aren’t planning on moving it because if they were they’d have greased the committee schedule already as there’s no time to waste."

"it’s five days notice required for a public hearing and they’re scheduled through the 16th. and there’s two more committees after this one before the floor. The senate moves slower anyway. You’d know if they planned to run this bill. They’d be running it. The priorities are the ones that got scheduled already and had companion bills. this isn’t some mystical tarot card reading it’s calling balls and strikes."


https://www.reddit.com/r/WAGuns/comments/11qzkem/1240_not_gonna_pass/
Here is a guy with a different opinion.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 14, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
Hang tight, I just got my tracking number.  It will be the day the FFL receives it.  Don't have that yet.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 15, 2023, 06:23:46 AM
Just an FYI
Sportco just got a large shipment of aero completed uppers and completed lowers and stripped
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on March 17, 2023, 01:38:36 PM
There is a hearing in the state senate law and Justice committee on HB 1240 and HB 1143 at 8:00 am on March 23rd.
The democrats are ramming these unconstitutional laws through.
You guys that vote for democrats should pull your heads out of where they are now.
You can reach out to the committee and let them know how you feel.

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Post by: pickardjw on March 17, 2023, 03:27:49 PM
In contrast, this guy on reddit still thinks it doesn't have time to get through all committees and a floor vote this session. Rather, they're getting the committee work out of the way to pass next year since WA works on a "biennium" system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WAGuns/comments/11sh3sr/hb_1240_finally_scheduled_how_to_testify/

I like Kirk's videos but his prediction model on these things is basically, "they'll pass it on the Friday before a holiday weekend". The reddit guy's analysis seems a bit more...thorough.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on March 17, 2023, 05:20:06 PM
In contrast, this guy on reddit still thinks it doesn't have time to get through all committees and a floor vote this session. Rather, they're getting the committee work out of the way to pass next year since WA works on a "biennium" system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WAGuns/comments/11sh3sr/hb_1240_finally_scheduled_how_to_testify/

I like Kirk's videos but his prediction model on these things is basically, "they'll pass it on the Friday before a holiday weekend". The reddit guy's analysis seems a bit more...thorough.
There have been some changes to the house and senate leadership since your Reddit guy was working in the legislature.  I agree with Kirk that they will ram this through. We will see.
We all have a opportunity to contact the committee members and our state senators before this hearing.

https://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/LAW/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx
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Post by: turkeyfeather on March 17, 2023, 05:31:07 PM
First public hearing on this is the 23rd
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 18, 2023, 11:13:48 AM
comment on 1143:
"Gun violence in this state has continued to rise even as you pass gun control bill after gun control bill. Why? Because criminals don't care about laws. That's the definition of a criminal. Law abiding citizens shouldn't be burdened when attempting to purchase a firearm by needing a permit. We already have a concealed carry permit. We already have laws which penalize people for firearm incidents which hurt other people. It is already the responsibility of the individual gun owner to ensure his/her safe handling and storage of firearms. The overwhelming majority of gun crimes committed in WA are committed by criminals. Accidental death by firearms is extraordinarily rare in WA. It's not even close.

Article I, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution states: “[t]he right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men." What's missing is that the State of WA has the right to require a permit to do so. It doesn't have that right. The Second Amendment to our beloved U.S. Constitution says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What's missing is the right of our government to require permits. Our government has no such right. It has no such right because the government issuing permits for us to be able to exercise our gun rights defeats the reason for our gun rights. The Founders realized that this is an essential right designed to protect us from violence and a tyrannical, oppressive government.

You want to make WA residents safer? Fix legislation which favors criminals and prevents police from doing their job. Legislate stiff, mandatory penalties and sentences for crimes committed with firearms, and other violent crimes. Tell Dan Satterberg, the prosecuting attorney for King County, to stop releasing violent criminals with little or no bail, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Tell AG Ferguson to imprison people who attempt to purchase firearms when they're precluded from doing so. Over 90% of these people are never charged. The idea that restricting the rights of our citizens will make us safer has already been proven wrong many, many times. It is your job to reduce crime through legislation which punishes criminals. It is not your job to reduce our rights"
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 18, 2023, 12:12:32 PM
comment on 1143:
"Gun violence in this state has continued to rise even as you pass gun control bill after gun control bill. Why? Because criminals don't care about laws. That's the definition of a criminal. Law abiding citizens shouldn't be burdened when attempting to purchase a firearm by needing a permit. We already have a concealed carry permit. We already have laws which penalize people for firearm incidents which hurt other people. It is already the responsibility of the individual gun owner to ensure his/her safe handling and storage of firearms. The overwhelming majority of gun crimes committed in WA are committed by criminals. Accidental death by firearms is extraordinarily rare in WA. It's not even close.

Article I, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution states: “[t]he right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men." What's missing is that the State of WA has the right to require a permit to do so. It doesn't have that right. The Second Amendment to our beloved U.S. Constitution says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What's missing is the right of our government to require permits. Our government has no such right. It has no such right because the government issuing permits for us to be able to exercise our gun rights defeats the reason for our gun rights. The Founders realized that this is an essential right designed to protect us from violence and a tyrannical, oppressive government.

You want to make WA residents safer? Fix legislation which favors criminals and prevents police from doing their job. Legislate stiff, mandatory penalties and sentences for crimes committed with firearms, and other violent crimes. Tell Dan Satterberg, the prosecuting attorney for King County, to stop releasing violent criminals with little or no bail, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Tell AG Ferguson to imprison people who attempt to purchase firearms when they're precluded from doing so. Over 90% of these people are never charged. The idea that restricting the rights of our citizens will make us safer has already been proven wrong many, many times. It is your job to reduce crime through legislation which punishes criminals. It is not your job to reduce our rights"

Thats one of the best ones I’ve seen!
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Post by: Slamadoo on March 18, 2023, 02:01:03 PM
The 2nd amendment is not a 2nd class amendment. It enjoys the same protections as other amendments. Would the state require a permit to exercise your 1st amendment rights? Will we need a permit to practice freedom of speech or freedom of religion?

Sadly, I believe the Democrats in power im this state would be in favor of these things as well.

https://mynorthwest.com/3843618/rantz-ag-ferguson-conservative-views-terrifying-extremism-commission/
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Phillip.beaudry on March 18, 2023, 04:19:49 PM
comment on 1143:
"Gun violence in this state has continued to rise even as you pass gun control bill after gun control bill. Why? Because criminals don't care about laws. That's the definition of a criminal. Law abiding citizens shouldn't be burdened when attempting to purchase a firearm by needing a permit. We already have a concealed carry permit. We already have laws which penalize people for firearm incidents which hurt other people. It is already the responsibility of the individual gun owner to ensure his/her safe handling and storage of firearms. The overwhelming majority of gun crimes committed in WA are committed by criminals. Accidental death by firearms is extraordinarily rare in WA. It's not even close.

Article I, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution states: “[t]he right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men." What's missing is that the State of WA has the right to require a permit to do so. It doesn't have that right. The Second Amendment to our beloved U.S. Constitution says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What's missing is the right of our government to require permits. Our government has no such right. It has no such right because the government issuing permits for us to be able to exercise our gun rights defeats the reason for our gun rights. The Founders realized that this is an essential right designed to protect us from violence and a tyrannical, oppressive government.

You want to make WA residents safer? Fix legislation which favors criminals and prevents police from doing their job. Legislate stiff, mandatory penalties and sentences for crimes committed with firearms, and other violent crimes. Tell Dan Satterberg, the prosecuting attorney for King County, to stop releasing violent criminals with little or no bail, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Tell AG Ferguson to imprison people who attempt to purchase firearms when they're precluded from doing so. Over 90% of these people are never charged. The idea that restricting the rights of our citizens will make us safer has already been proven wrong many, many times. It is your job to reduce crime through legislation which punishes criminals. It is not your job to reduce our rights"


woah now. you be careful with those thoughts that make sense.

seriously though, a republican introduced a bill for harsher punishment on criminals that committed a crime with a stolen gun. guess. how far that got.  I don't remember who said it, but democrats live by the creed "do something, even if it does nothing".
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Post by: MADMAX on March 18, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Its rectal cranial inversion therapy
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on March 19, 2023, 05:00:50 AM
You want to make WA residents safer? Fix legislation which favors criminals and prevents police from doing their job. Legislate stiff, mandatory penalties and sentences for crimes committed with firearms, and other violent crimes. Tell Dan Satterberg, the prosecuting attorney for King County, to stop releasing violent criminals with little or no bail, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law.
Dan Satterberg is no longer in office.

This is where doing research before firing off comments to legislators is important. (not directed specifically at you Pman, just using it as an example.)

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Cougartail on March 19, 2023, 06:44:25 AM
The 2nd amendment is not a 2nd class amendment. It enjoys the same protections as other amendments. Would the state require a permit to exercise your 1st amendment rights? Will we need a permit to practice freedom of speech or freedom of religion?

Sadly, I believe the Democrats in power im this state would be in favor of these things as well.

https://mynorthwest.com/3843618/rantz-ag-ferguson-conservative-views-terrifying-extremism-commission/

The new Globalist Democratic Nazi Party. Let's all salute Adolf Ferguson.

This doesn't bother liberals because they all are closet fascist  who believe what they are told regardless of the facts on the ground.

Higher education is in fact a higher level of brainwashing.

Funny how after WW2 nobody who voted for Hitler admitted it. I expect the same here.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 23, 2023, 08:23:58 AM
https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031426/?eventID=2023031426

Live, now. Haven’t gotten to 1240 yet.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 23, 2023, 08:28:28 AM
Asking for a friend.  What if firearm is paid for, in FFL hands, during 10 day waiting period bill is signed?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: seakev on March 23, 2023, 08:53:23 AM
As it stands now, the transaction will be terminated.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on March 23, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
Myself and a handful of others ,in the past ten year.
Have tried to promote,purpose rule change to the commission,to allow 223 centerfire for deer in Washington State.
Essentially to turn our ar15 into a "sporting rifle" for hunting purposes.
These attempts did not gain alot of support by hunters.
Even though alot of Washington hunters hunt others states in which it is allowed.
The bottom line is ........
A blind man could of seen this coming.
You reap what you sow .
I told ya so.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 23, 2023, 09:32:42 AM
Myself and a handful of others ,in the past ten year.
Have tried to promote,purpose rule change to the commission,to allow 223 centerfire for deer in Washington State.
Essentially to turn our ar15 into a "sporting rifle" for hunting purposes.
These attempts did not gain alot of support by hunters.
Even though alot of Washington hunters hunt others states in which it is allowed.
The bottom line is ........
A blind man could of seen this coming.
You reap what you sow .
I told ya so.

What does this have to do with anything????    .223 legal for deer doesn’t mean semi auto .223/5.56 wouldn’t be on the chopping block.  Just like .308 /ar10’s will be outlawed.  The state would just say buy a .223 bolt action.

“You reap what you sow” would insinuate people that think .223 is too small for big game hunting caused an “assault weapon ban”.   Stop dividing gun owners and hunters by this propaganda.  Put blame on the left wing nuts that ultimately want to take all guns. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on March 23, 2023, 09:37:58 AM
Myself and a handful of others ,in the past ten year.
Have tried to promote,purpose rule change to the commission,to allow 223 centerfire for deer in Washington State.
Essentially to turn our ar15 into a "sporting rifle" for hunting purposes.
These attempts did not gain alot of support by hunters.
Even though alot of Washington hunters hunt others states in which it is allowed.
The bottom line is ........
A blind man could of seen this coming.
You reap what you sow .
I told ya so.

What does this have to do with anything????    .223 legal for deer doesn’t mean semi auto .223/5.56 wouldn’t be on the chopping block.  Just like .308 /ar10’s will be outlawed.  The state would just say buy a .223 bolt action.

“You reap what you sow” would insinuate people that think .223 is too small for big game hunting caused an “assault weapon ban”.   Stop dividing gun owners and hunters by this propaganda.  Put blame on the left wing nuts that ultimately want to take all guns.
Are you gonna say the same.
When they ban all guns.
I'm not dividing gun owners,the fact that some gun owner won't accept an AR style rifle as a sporting rifle isn't my fault .
I still stand by my statement,seeing comieforna 5 years ago could tell ya what was gonna happen here.
Would 223 for big game stop an assault weapons ban. Probably not. But will never know cause of some gun owners not being pro active in turning AR in to a sport/hunting rifle status.

Just a bit more there.
Not seeing any bans in Idaho ,kinda strange.
Oh ya that's right it's legal to hunt with a 223 there.
FYI ....
Lead ammo will be pulled from the shelf in the next year or two and will have to do back ground checks on ammo too.
Just to get a box of copper ammo ,if it's even available.
Tell me it's not coming.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 23, 2023, 03:35:40 PM
Myself and a handful of others ,in the past ten year.
Have tried to promote,purpose rule change to the commission,to allow 223 centerfire for deer in Washington State.
Essentially to turn our ar15 into a "sporting rifle" for hunting purposes.
These attempts did not gain alot of support by hunters.
Even though alot of Washington hunters hunt others states in which it is allowed.
The bottom line is ........
A blind man could of seen this coming.
You reap what you sow .
I told ya so.

What does this have to do with anything????    .223 legal for deer doesn’t mean semi auto .223/5.56 wouldn’t be on the chopping block.  Just like .308 /ar10’s will be outlawed.  The state would just say buy a .223 bolt action.

“You reap what you sow” would insinuate people that think .223 is too small for big game hunting caused an “assault weapon ban”.   Stop dividing gun owners and hunters by this propaganda.  Put blame on the left wing nuts that ultimately want to take all guns.
Are you gonna say the same.
When they ban all guns.
I'm not dividing gun owners,the fact that some gun owner won't accept an AR style rifle as a sporting rifle isn't my fault .
I still stand by my statement,seeing comieforna 5 years ago could tell ya what was gonna happen here.
Would 223 for big game stop an assault weapons ban. Probably not. But will never know cause of some gun owners not being pro active in turning AR in to a sport/hunting rifle status.

Just a bit more there.
Not seeing any bans in Idaho ,kinda strange.
Oh ya that's right it's legal to hunt with a 223 there.
FYI ....
Lead ammo will be pulled from the shelf in the next year or two and will have to do back ground checks on ammo too.
Just to get a box of copper ammo ,if it's even available.
Tell me it's not coming.

Again....I don't know what your talking about.  An AR is a "modern sporting rifle" and has always been looked upon as such by the majority of the gun community.  The liberals have termed them assault rifles base on pure ignorance of what AR in AR15 actually stands for.  Again, your correlation to people not wanting to allow .223 / 5.56 for big game hunting....and....and assault weapons (liberal term) ban is apples to oranges and far fetched at best.  You even state, it would have likely not made a difference...which you are 100% correct.  You then continue to say we will never know because "some gun owners not being proactive in turning AR into a sport / hunting rifle status."  This has nothing to do with gun owners and what they "want" to classify their rifles as....an AR is a modern sporting rifle that is a semiautomatic rifle.  Some people do hunt with them in the .308 win, .300blk, 6.5 grendal...and the list goes on....and that didn't change anything. 

Comparing Idaho to Washington is apples to oranges.  Republican led state vs. Democrat led state.....has nothing to do with what caliber is legal to shoot a deer with.   :chuckle: :chuckle:  As for your lead vs. monolithic ammo statement....yeah, it might be coming  :dunno: :dunno:.  Again because we live in a liberal state....not because .223 / 5.56 isn't legal to shoot deer with. 

I'm not trying to be argumentative here.....I'm just stating fact.  Fact is, AR's are being banned because the liberal government of WA (and liberal residents) are uneducated and ignorant to what an AR actually is.  Making the caliber .223 legal to hunt with does not change that fact.....I don't care what reality you live in....it just doesn't.  Matter of fact, it was and still is a legal firearm to hunt with in this state (even after HB1240 is passed).  People shoot coyotes, cougars, rock chucks, etc. 

I'm just as mad about HB1240 as anyone else that is a firearm owner in WA.....but Spewing misinformation only makes us look worse as a group.  It actually puts us on the same playing field as our uninformed liberal Governor and AG. 

 :twocents: :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HillHound on March 23, 2023, 03:47:32 PM
As it stands now, the transaction will be terminated.
Probably in the millions that credit card companies are going to be processing for returns if this passes and they say it’s effective immediately. Wonder if Jay will notice how much tax money was headed towards their coffers from all the mad dash buyers grabbing ars, uppers, lowers, etc. in the last couple weeks that won’t be if it’s immediate. If they were smart, which they aren’t, they would at least let the ones go through that have been paid for and are just waiting. And yes I do have a horse in the race, next Tuesday my last purchase gets out of jail and I sure hope I’m getting it and not a refund 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ipkus on March 23, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
If Jay Inslee had a shred of decency inside his tiny little brain, he would say "I'm signing this into law 10 days from now" the same day it passes the Senate so that everyone that had bought something that was currently in jail had a chance to take possession.

But he doesn't.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 23, 2023, 04:31:10 PM
As it stands now, the transaction will be terminated.
Probably in the millions that credit card companies are going to be processing for returns if this passes and they say it’s effective immediately. Wonder if Jay will notice how much tax money was headed towards their coffers from all the mad dash buyers grabbing ars, uppers, lowers, etc. in the last couple weeks that won’t be if it’s immediate. If they were smart, which they aren’t, they would at least let the ones go through that have been paid for and are just waiting. And yes I do have a horse in the race, next Tuesday my last purchase gets out of jail and I sure hope I’m getting it and not a refund

West Coast Armory sent out a letter informing people that they wouldn't refund purchases that were in process if 1240 passes. You'll have to pay to sell/ship it out of state. Not sure what other FFL's policies look like.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on March 23, 2023, 04:35:10 PM
As it stands now, the transaction will be terminated.
Probably in the millions that credit card companies are going to be processing for returns if this passes and they say it’s effective immediately. Wonder if Jay will notice how much tax money was headed towards their coffers from all the mad dash buyers grabbing ars, uppers, lowers, etc. in the last couple weeks that won’t be if it’s immediate. If they were smart, which they aren’t, they would at least let the ones go through that have been paid for and are just waiting. And yes I do have a horse in the race, next Tuesday my last purchase gets out of jail and I sure hope I’m getting it and not a refund
I am pretty sure you are going to be alright. I am not sure when the Law and Justice committee will vote on HB1240. If they approve it, it still has to go through at least one more committee (budget?) before it would go to the senate floor for a vote. I don’t think that will happen before next Tuesday..
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 23, 2023, 04:43:21 PM
Make sure to check with your FFL, at least one of the local FFL's is not accepting transfers at this point because they don't want to get stuck with a firearm that cannot be sold sitting in their stock if the HB1240 passes before the background check happens. 

Likely be a minimum two week process if you were ordering the firearm online or from out of state.  Purchase, shipping, receive at FFL, paperwork, 10 day wait period.  14 days would be quick for this entire process to take place. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 23, 2023, 04:55:30 PM
I am pretty sure you are going to be alright. I am not sure when the Law and Justice committee will vote on HB1240. If they approve it, it still has to go through at least one more committee (budget?) before it would go to the senate floor for a vote. I don’t think that will happen before next Tuesday..

Apparently the fiscal note attached to the bill transfers the cost of the bill to local jurisdictions, so it does NOT have to go through Ways and Means (budget) Committee. It's scheduled for executive session in the Law and Justice Committee on 3/28, so if it's voted forward there it will only need to go to Rules Committee before a floor vote.

Source: a bunch of other people on another forum that are smarter than me
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 23, 2023, 05:15:13 PM
Purchase, shipping, receive at FFL, paperwork, 10 day wait period.  14 days would be quick for this entire process to take place. 
Betting on the horse Tuesday.  I'm at the 10 day step, and bank CC has been paid.  Ordered online from manufacturer, shipped to their FFL.  Got to see it Monday but not touch.  Have rounds, magazines, dies, scope mounts. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on March 23, 2023, 06:25:40 PM
Asking for a friend.  What if firearm is paid for, in FFL hands, during 10 day waiting period bill is signed?

Buy a lower, walk out with it, then go buy an upper
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 23, 2023, 06:36:59 PM
Asking for a friend.  What if firearm is paid for, in FFL hands, during 10 day waiting period bill is signed?

Buy a lower, walk out with it, then go buy an upper


Got my heart set on something special.  Should have stepped 5 years ago when I  seen it.  Hoping it still plays out.   :dunno:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 28, 2023, 02:41:18 PM
Executive action taken?  Not sure what that means exactly.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=1240&year=2023&initiative=False
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2023, 03:13:32 PM
I'm not sure what that means....but I watched the entire Senate Committee on Law & Justice hearing today and they are voting strictly on partisan lines.  It makes me so absolutely sick to what how uneducated and uniformed these people are when discussing these matters.  There is no way on gods green earth, that if this bill reaches the floor of the Senate...it does not pass.  Not a chance!!! 

I'm still trying to get the taste of vomit out of my mouth after watching these bunch of buffoons'.   :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bustedoldman on March 28, 2023, 03:16:14 PM
Inslee singed executive action (although idk what it means, just guessing)?Maybe because of the latest shooting?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 28, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
They changed verbiage in one section
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 28, 2023, 03:20:34 PM
Here
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2023, 03:32:07 PM
Well, I have no faith in our law makers, governor, AG, people in general.  They brought up the shooting in Tennessee....amongst others to spread their anti gun hate.  They stated the one constant in all mass shootings is the "GUN".  They refuse to acknowledge the other constant..."The sick twisted person performing these acts".  They use these tragedies in an effort to sit on their high horses and impose their will on all law biding gun owners.  They refuse to acknowledge the mental health crisis that is plaguing this once great nation.  The great USofA is going down a shattt road if you ask me.  We have an infestation of people that want to impose their will on others......communism at it's best.  Makes me sick to think of what my kids are going to endure in their lifetimes.   :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ipkus on March 28, 2023, 04:42:26 PM
All drunk driving involves a vehicle of some sort, yet they aren't pushing to ban vehicles.

All obesity involves people moving food to their piehole with their hands, yet they aren't pushing to cut hands off.

What they do push is non-traditional families, and kids being allowed to decide what sex they are before they are even deemed responsible enough to drive a car - let alone vote, join the military, buy tobacco or alcohol.  They bottled everyone during covid to the detriment of most peoples mental health.

Everything is more expensive now, most people's self esteem is based on how many likes they get online, and fentanyl pours across the border like water out of the "climate challenged" California mountains but banning guns will stop gun crimes.

Just like banning them has made Chicago and NYC and California places where people are flocking to because they are so safe with all of their gun control.

I honestly can't believe how utterly stupid this country as a whole has become in the last 20 years.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 28, 2023, 04:47:34 PM
Normal sane people do not do mass shootings, it’s always a mentally unstable person so to stop them would be to find a way to keep guns from them. We already have background checks so not sure what other ways to keep guns from them unless someone turns them in and then followed through. Not an AWB. Sickening the legislators making bad laws know nothing about guns or mental health at all. Most of them think an AR is only used to kill mass people, oh no they’re not used for hunting or target shooting. Lies and false statements. Every time I go to the range people are shooting ARs.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JakeLand on March 28, 2023, 05:18:27 PM
Well, I have no faith in our law makers, governor, AG, people in general.  They brought up the shooting in Tennessee....amongst others to spread their anti gun hate.  They stated the one constant in all mass shootings is the "GUN".  They refuse to acknowledge the other constant..."The sick twisted person performing these acts".  They use these tragedies in an effort to sit on their high horses and impose their will on all law biding gun owners.  They refuse to acknowledge the mental health crisis that is plaguing this once great nation.  The great USofA is going down a shattt road if you ask me.  We have an infestation of people that want to impose their will on others......communism at it's best.  Makes me sick to think of what my kids are going to endure in their lifetimes.   :bash: :bash:
you just said what has been going through my little brain for the last few years ,
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on March 28, 2023, 05:40:55 PM
Its not like this everywhere
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 28, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
They changed verbiage in one section

So because of the change  it would then go back to the house?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2023, 06:51:09 PM
I listened to the entire reading and voting today and I didn’t hear any changes.  All suggested changes were shot down and voted against.   

What this a suggested change?  Or actually voted on change and what is the date of the document? 

They kept saying changes in verbiage could be make on the rules committee if they wanted to.  (I believe they said rules committee…..I will watch again and confirm.  Regardless every suggestion today got shot down.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 28, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
I listened to the entire reading and voting today and I didn’t hear any changes.  All suggested changes were shot down and voted against.   

What this a suggested change?  Or actually voted on change and what is the date of the document? 

They kept saying changes in verbiage could be make on the rules committee if they wanted to.  (I believe they said rules committee…..I will watch again and confirm.  Regardless every suggestion today got shot down.

If you follow the link and click a couple different items it gives the list of everything that was discussed as changes. Dozens failed the one I shared a pic of was adopted.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2023, 07:19:47 PM
I listened to the entire reading and voting today and I didn’t hear any changes.  All suggested changes were shot down and voted against.   

What this a suggested change?  Or actually voted on change and what is the date of the document? 

They kept saying changes in verbiage could be make on the rules committee if they wanted to.  (I believe they said rules committee…..I will watch again and confirm.  Regardless every suggestion today got shot down.

If you follow the link and click a couple different items it gives the list of everything that was discussed as changes. Dozens failed the one I shared a pic of was adopted.

I’m glad that is the case….I was pretty pissed off today listening.   Just maybe this will alter its course long enough to postpone the inevitable.   
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2023, 07:25:18 PM
Does anyone know if there is an advocacy group or lawyers or anything that is prepared to fight this the minute it's passed.
Title: HB 1240
Post by: time2hunt on March 28, 2023, 08:10:40 PM
If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2023, 08:29:51 PM
Listening the meeting today, it sounded like they were banning suppressors, semi auto handguns, threaded barrels, all parts, collapsible stocks, etc. 

Did you know collapsible stocks make rifles more powerful and deadly??  It was news to me too!!   Just like flash suppressors make them more deadly.   I can’t make this stuff up.    :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2023, 08:47:53 PM
https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031603/?eventID=2023031603

Start watching at 39min 33 seconds.  Prepare to be pissed.  Last approx 50 minutes. 
Title: Re: HB 1240
Post by: pickardjw on March 28, 2023, 09:46:04 PM
If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on March 28, 2023, 10:09:09 PM
 Thank the libs again!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 29, 2023, 03:48:23 AM
If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

Read jrebel post.  Then open the link and get prepared for hearing the bad news.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 29, 2023, 04:48:36 AM
https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031603/?eventID=2023031603

Start watching at 39min 33 seconds.  Prepare to be pissed.  Last approx 50 minutes. 

I couldn't sleep so I got up and am still in process of watching this.  Taking periodic breaks to  :puke:  Not sure I'm going to be able to sleep for weeks.   :mor:   >:( :( >:( :(
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 29, 2023, 06:38:48 AM
If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

Read jrebel post.  Then open the link and get prepared for hearing the bad news.

Which jrebel post and which link? I've read the bill multiple times through and just read all proposed amendments from yesterday's hearing. Neither the adopted amendment or the withdrawn/not adopted amendments appear to change the status of suppressors in the bill.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: goosehunter12 on March 29, 2023, 07:02:21 AM
That was hard to watch - they didn't care what was said

I'm trying to also figure out the suppresser - I didn't think it was part of the original bill - getting a bit stress since I currently have 2 more sitting in jail.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 29, 2023, 07:22:33 AM
If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

Read jrebel post.  Then open the link and get prepared for hearing the bad news.

Which jrebel post and which link? I've read the bill multiple times through and just read all proposed amendments from yesterday's hearing. Neither the adopted amendment or the withdrawn/not adopted amendments appear to change the status of suppressors in the bill.

Takes an hour to watch it.     https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031603/?eventID=2023031603

Page 5, Lines 15 - 21 for suppressors, brakes, threaded barrels, etc.  https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825

Am I reading it wrong?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 29, 2023, 07:34:13 AM
I think so. If we break it down to the key parts:

Section 3
(1) No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.

Section 2
(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
(F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
(G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;


So the language doesn't ban suppressors, flash hiders, brakes, etc. but rather bans purchasing a semi-auto, center fire rifle that has a detachable magazine AND one of those items.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 29, 2023, 07:45:52 AM
I think so. If we break it down to the key parts:

Section 3
(1) No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.

Section 2
(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
(F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
(G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;


So the language doesn't ban suppressors, flash hiders, brakes, etc. but rather bans purchasing a semi-auto, center fire rifle that has a detachable magazine AND one of those items.

So how will you attach the suppressor?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 29, 2023, 07:59:59 AM
The ambiguity of this bill is a huge problem.  At one point they exclude "bolt" action rifles, but in another section they state adjustable stocks, threaded barrels, detachable mag, ect are going to be illegal.  So...can my Savage stealth with adjustable stock, detachable mag and threaded barrel still be purchased and sold or is not an outlawed rifle???  I would interpret it as a "bolt" action rifle and say it is not involved in this bill.....after watching the clown show yesterday....I would argue the law makers will see it another way.  At a minimum, it clearly opens the door for more reform to come. 

Republican law makers tried to have definitions changed for pistols, threaded barrels, suppressors, etc. etc. etc.....in yesterdays hearings.  The Dems were having none of it.  On multiple occasions, the republicans stated, "unless your intent" is to ban more pistols...we need to update the definitions.  Dems, ask for a no vote, not responding to the concerns of of the Republicans and the moved the bill along without further discussion. 

I think their intent is very clear. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 29, 2023, 08:44:03 AM
Yes yesterday was a complete S show. The Republicans tried to make changes multiple times. Only one of those was successful. That being the portion I posted about leaving the state with your own gun and returning with that gun won't make you a criminal. Everything else failed.

The problem I saw that made me do frustrated is nobody on either side actually knew what they were talking about. The Republicans had nothing to counter with after their initial statement and then the response from the Ds. The response to the muzzle brake from the D wasn't routed in reality at all. She literally said it could be used like a silencer and make it hard to pinpoint an active shooter. I'd like to have her stand next to a brake at the range and make that statement again.

The one guy wanted to change the name in the Bill from Assault Rifle to Modern Sporting Rifle. The Ds response was its been called and Assault Rifle for years by many people. He had no response except to talk about calling a car a death chariot. They had no good responses for the times that I was watching.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 29, 2023, 08:51:10 AM
Bans the sale, transfer and import along with parts. Next year these tyrants will want you to turn in and give up all your guns.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on March 29, 2023, 09:28:00 AM
Yes yesterday was a complete S show. The Republicans tried to make changes multiple times. Only one of those was successful. That being the portion I posted about leaving the state with your own gun and returning with that gun won't make you a criminal. Everything else failed.

The problem I saw that made me do frustrated is nobody on either side actually knew what they were talking about. The Republicans had nothing to counter with after their initial statement and then the response from the Ds. The response to the muzzle brake from the D wasn't routed in reality at all. She literally said it could be used like a silencer and make it hard to pinpoint an active shooter. I'd like to have her stand next to a brake at the range and make that statement again.

The one guy wanted to change the name in the Bill from Assault Rifle to Modern Sporting Rifle. The Ds response was its been called and Assault Rifle for years by many people. He had no response except to talk about calling a car a death chariot. They had no good responses for the times that I was watching.

The D's are correct.  Manufactures began calling some semiauto rifles Assault Rifles decades ago.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on March 29, 2023, 09:57:45 AM
Dreadi
 How do you read the suppressor portion? There a lot of us that have them in jail, but they have been paid for and tax stamp bought.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on March 29, 2023, 10:16:05 AM
How many of you guys have taken the time to read and understand the Bruen decision?

All this BS from the left doesn’t have a chance of standing up in court. As we speak all this crap legislation is losing in the courts in California and as California goes so does the west coast and the rest of our country. It is a temporary inconvience but in the end the 2nd amendment will be stronger and more well defined for the future.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 29, 2023, 10:16:52 AM
So how will you attach the suppressor?

The AR I already own has a threaded barrel. And my bolt rifles will have threaded barrels.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: 300rum on March 29, 2023, 10:19:26 AM
It will take years and years to get through the courts and when if it does get overturned they will continue to pass similar legislation that is slightly different and then it will be tied up in the courts for more years and years.  It is pretty evident what the program is....

How many of you guys have taken the time to read and understand the Bruen decision?

All this BS from the left doesn’t have a chance of standing up in court. As we speak all this crap legislation is losing in the courts in California and as California goes so does the west coast and the rest of our country. It is a temporary inconvience but in the end the 2nd amendment will be stronger and more well defined for the future.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on March 29, 2023, 10:32:12 AM
It will take years and years to get through the courts and when if it does get overturned they will continue to pass similar legislation that is slightly different and then it will be tied up in the courts for more years and years.  It is pretty evident what the program is....

 :yeah:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on March 29, 2023, 10:34:25 AM
It will take years and years to get through the courts and when if it does get overturned they will continue to pass similar legislation that is slightly different and then it will be tied up in the courts for more years and years.  It is pretty evident what the program is....

How many of you guys have taken the time to read and understand the Bruen decision?

All this BS from the left doesn’t have a chance of standing up in court. As we speak all this crap legislation is losing in the courts in California and as California goes so does the west coast and the rest of our country. It is a temporary inconvience but in the end the 2nd amendment will be stronger and more well defined for the future.

Californias ruling is coming any day and if California is going to appeal it goes to the 9th circuit. It won’t be years for this to be settled…
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 29, 2023, 11:41:41 AM
It will take years and years to get through the courts and when if it does get overturned they will continue to pass similar legislation that is slightly different and then it will be tied up in the courts for more years and years.  It is pretty evident what the program is....

How many of you guys have taken the time to read and understand the Bruen decision?

All this BS from the left doesn’t have a chance of standing up in court. As we speak all this crap legislation is losing in the courts in California and as California goes so does the west coast and the rest of our country. It is a temporary inconvience but in the end the 2nd amendment will be stronger and more well defined for the future.

Californias ruling is coming any day and if California is going to appeal it goes to the 9th circuit. It won’t be years for this to be settled…

^^^this and miller already ruled Californias was unconstitutional went to higher court had to go back to miller so when he makes his decision again that will put an injunction on the bill and will be null and void until all the lawsuits are settled
Like said above it’s a short inconvenience if any at all his ruling could come before Inslee even gets a chance to sign

On a side note business has been crazy here at work ARs and parts have been flying out the door
Thank you Dems
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 29, 2023, 11:52:19 AM
It will take years and years to get through the courts and when if it does get overturned they will continue to pass similar legislation that is slightly different and then it will be tied up in the courts for more years and years.  It is pretty evident what the program is....

How many of you guys have taken the time to read and understand the Bruen decision?

All this BS from the left doesn’t have a chance of standing up in court. As we speak all this crap legislation is losing in the courts in California and as California goes so does the west coast and the rest of our country. It is a temporary inconvience but in the end the 2nd amendment will be stronger and more well defined for the future.

Californias ruling is coming any day and if California is going to appeal it goes to the 9th circuit. It won’t be years for this to be settled…

^^^this and miller already ruled Californias was unconstitutional went to higher court had to go back to miller so when he makes his decision again that will put an injunction on the bill and will be null and void until all the lawsuits are settled
Like said above it’s a short inconvenience if any at all his ruling could come before Inslee even gets a chance to sign

On a side note business has been crazy here at work ARs and parts have been flying out the door
Thank you Dems

I hope you guys are correct in your assessment of the situation.  Fingers Crossed. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on March 29, 2023, 12:24:34 PM
Sportco has serious inventories of Aero Precision, Magpul and BCM parts and lowers. Complete and stripped.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on March 29, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The only thing I will give a "D" credit for,  THEY are the best gun salesmen!!!  They are to stupid to see it though!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on March 29, 2023, 04:00:42 PM
Dreadi
 How do you read the suppressor portion? There a lot of us that have them in jail, but they have been paid for and tax stamp bought.


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Suppressors are not muzzle devices,  and they are not semiautomatic.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on March 30, 2023, 08:03:27 PM
Yes yesterday was a complete S show. The Republicans tried to make changes multiple times. Only one of those was successful. That being the portion I posted about leaving the state with your own gun and returning with that gun won't make you a criminal. Everything else failed.
The amendment you mention was actually sponsored by Democrat Senator Pederson. No other amendments (D or R sponsored) passed.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on March 30, 2023, 08:08:57 PM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 31, 2023, 05:18:57 AM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
There was an amendment made about leaving Washington with mags and when you come back with them it’s not considered importing them so it is going back to the house looks like a possible couple more weeks  before it would get to inslee and we might get millers decision before then
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bornhunter on March 31, 2023, 04:47:37 PM
Any updates on this?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2023, 04:56:56 PM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
There was an amendment made about leaving Washington with mags and when you come back with them it’s not considered importing them so it is going back to the house looks like a possible couple more weeks  before it would get to inslee and we might get millers decision before then

 I sent a couple out to be cerakoted and the company that did the work couldn’t ship them back.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on March 31, 2023, 05:25:57 PM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
There was an amendment made about leaving Washington with mags and when you come back with them it’s not considered importing them so it is going back to the house looks like a possible couple more weeks  before it would get to inslee and we might get millers decision before then

 I sent a couple out to be cerakoted and the company that did the work couldn’t ship them back.

They can ship them back but they are choosing not to in fear that they’ll come for them next
I can’t say I blame them

It sucks that they won’t send back your stuff
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 01, 2023, 06:11:20 PM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
There was an amendment made about leaving Washington with mags and when you come back with them it’s not considered importing them so it is going back to the house looks like a possible couple more weeks  before it would get to inslee and we might get millers decision before then

 I sent a couple out to be cerakoted and the company that did the work couldn’t ship them back.

It’s not a law.

Tell them to send your stuff.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 02, 2023, 07:31:55 PM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
There was an amendment made about leaving Washington with mags and when you come back with them it’s not considered importing them so it is going back to the house looks like a possible couple more weeks  before it would get to inslee and we might get millers decision before then

 I sent a couple out to be cerakoted and the company that did the work couldn’t ship them back.

It’s not a law.

Tell them to send your stuff.

 :yeah:

Local or out of state? If it's the latter, possibly just an uneducated or ill-informed employee? Name and shame either way
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 02, 2023, 07:49:41 PM
It's in the second reading now.  Hopefully someone makes and amendment and it has to go back to the house.....anything to delay this bill would be about he only way it doesn't get signed this year.
There was an amendment made about leaving Washington with mags and when you come back with them it’s not considered importing them so it is going back to the house looks like a possible couple more weeks  before it would get to inslee and we might get millers decision before then

 I sent a couple out to be cerakoted and the company that did the work couldn’t ship them back.
It’s not a law.

Tell them to send your stuff.
:yeah:

Local or out of state? If it's the latter, possibly just an uneducated or ill-informed employee? Name and shame either way
So if they're simply uneducated or ill-informed on the law he should "name and shame" them?

Man if that's the case a large majority of the people on here would be put on blast for their wrong interpretations of laws/regs.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jstone on April 02, 2023, 08:21:28 PM
We need to find and fix the root of the problem.
Our so called leader don’t try to fix that.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 03, 2023, 03:25:51 PM
From someone who was at the State Capital recently.

https://www.combatflipflops.com/blogs/combat-flip-flops/how-psilocybin-answered-my-gun-questions?fbclid=IwAR2Lo9Wkii3S58OHTnz2oct_zfVE4eh7F2P8WHU6SW2WGzK1ndlaM4oSK7w
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 03, 2023, 05:01:13 PM
So if they're simply uneducated or ill-informed on the law he should "name and shame" them?

Man if that's the case a large majority of the people on here would be put on blast for their wrong interpretations of laws/regs.

If you work for a local company in the industry you should absolutely know the status of this bill. If it's an out of state company I don't want to support them if they won't ship here because of a bill that isn't passed yet. So yes, name and shame either way.

I didn't say anything about non-industry people knowing the status of the bill.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 07, 2023, 05:58:35 AM
This bill has been sitting stalled for over a week now. I thought I read here somewhere that they have till the 12th or it dies. Do you think that's what they are doing? Or.....are they waiting till the last minute to rake in as much tax revenue as they can before having to pass it?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 07, 2023, 06:37:13 AM
Likely to happen April 17-18 according to Washington gun law:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on April 07, 2023, 06:44:19 AM
I thought the legislative session ended on the 28th???  They still have a couple weeks.  It has gone to the second reading in the senate.  If nothing changes, it will go to a a third reading / vote and then to the governors desk for signature.  Point being, when it starts to move at this point, it will move fast. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 07, 2023, 06:48:41 AM
I thought the legislative session ended on the 28th???  They still have a couple weeks.  It has gone to the second reading in the senate.  If nothing changes, it will go to a a third reading / vote and then to the governors desk for signature.  Point being, when it starts to move at this point, it will move fast.

An amendment was adopted in the first Senate floor reading. It will go back to the House before Inslee's desk.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2023, 08:44:29 PM
Did SB 1143 pass the Senate today? Just needs Inslee’s signature I think.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: actionshooter on April 07, 2023, 08:57:39 PM
Did SB 1143 pass the Senate today? Just needs Inslee’s signature I think.
   I believe its up for tomorrow... it will probably be signed Tuesday
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 07, 2023, 10:56:12 PM
William Kirk has a opinion on when HB1240 will get passed and signed.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bigluke1981 on April 08, 2023, 11:45:13 AM
Looks like this bill is on the list for consideration today.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 08, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
This guy thinks it will be today also.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bigluke1981 on April 08, 2023, 04:56:46 PM
1240 just passed 27-21  :bash: :bash: goes back to the house now.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on April 08, 2023, 05:32:42 PM
Im sure all the mental cases will follow these rules to the letter
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 08, 2023, 08:22:29 PM
List of the firearms is in this article.

https://www.theolympian.com/news/politics-government/article274115110.html
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: BUTTER on April 08, 2023, 08:50:18 PM
Most embarrassing day of my life to say I'm from Washington.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: passman65 on April 08, 2023, 09:02:39 PM
Most embarrassing day of my life to say I'm from Washington.
I'll second that
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bornhunter on April 08, 2023, 09:12:13 PM
Most embarrassing day of my life to say I'm from Washington.

3rd that! But the good news is the wife just said," ok thats enough, Idaho here we come!"
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: callturner on April 08, 2023, 09:45:44 PM
But remember, it's to save the children. Then remember he just ordered 3 years of abortion pills.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HHPro on April 08, 2023, 10:41:41 PM
Welcome to the world of the democratic party.

Fight to empower the mentally ill(Transgender)
Fight for woman's rights (murder babies)
Ban millions of sane hard working Americans the right to their constitutional rights for the sake of unfortunately not aborted children cause they suddenly care about kids oh wait they do like preteen children to groom...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: UrbanTrapper on April 09, 2023, 12:22:21 AM
List of the firearms is in this article.

https://www.theolympian.com/news/politics-government/article274115110.html

I can't get past the Adblock BS to read the article.  Would you just cut and paste the list, please.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HntnFsh on April 09, 2023, 08:07:04 AM
Senate lawmakers voted 27-21 Saturday afternoon for House Bill 1240, which bans the purchase and sale of assault weapons in the state of Washington. The bill was sponsored by Rep. Strom Peterson, D-Edmonds, and co-sponsored by 25 other Democratic lawmakers in the House at the request of Gov. Jay Inslee and Attorney General Bob Ferguson. “Young people are taking to the streets and will hold us accountable if we don’t do something,” said Sen. Patty Kuderer, D-Bellevue. “When we’re talking about mass shootings and the killing of people quickly and without warning, we’re talking about assault weapons. And that’s why we’re here today, we’re here to say: enough is enough.” The bill will need to go back to the House chamber where it originated for concurrence on Senate amendments before it can be signed by Gov. Jay Inslee. The legislation contains an emergency clause that would render it effective immediately upon a signature from the governor. HB 1240 would prohibit the “manufacture, importation, distribution, sale, or offer for sale of any assault weapon.” Some exceptions for licensed firearm manufacturers and dealers are baked into the legislation, allowing law enforcement agencies to continue to purchase from firearms dealers and manufacturers, for instance. Exceptions are included for those who inherit an assault weapon, and the bill would not regulate possession for Washingtonians who currently own an assault weapon. Violations of the proposed legislation would be a gross misdemeanor, which can include jail time for up to 364 days and a fine of no more than $5,000. Debate on the bill took more than two hours Saturday, with several Republicans speaking in opposition to the proposed legislation. Sen. Ron Muzzall, R-Oak Harbor, told the Senate that since 2015, 37 bills have been passed by state lawmakers to reduce gun violence, and that none of the legislation has prevented gun violence or crime. He said those laws haven’t been working, and that crime in Washington isn’t just about firearms, it’s also about drugs and unsafe drivers. “The one thing that I see that lacks in this legislation today is bipartisanship to solve the problem,” Muzzall said. “Why? Because we’re focusing on some firearms that we consider to be scary.” A striking amendment from the Senate Law and Justice Committee was adopted on the Senate floor Saturday that clarified the definition of importation. That clarification said that individuals who live in Washington but travel back and forth from other states with the assault weapons they currently own would not be subject to the definition. More than 20 amendments were proposed, mostly by Republicans, with the exception of one amendment introduced by Sen. Emily Randall, D-Bremerton. Randall’s amendment would provide an exception for firearms dealers, and would allow them to sell or transfer existing stock outside of the state for up to 90 days after the law goes into effect. Republicans voted against the amendment because they argued it did not go far enough, but Senate Democrats voted in favor. Also adopted by Senate lawmakers was an amendment introduced by Sen. Keith Wagoner, R-Sedro Wooley, that would provide exceptions for military retirees moving to the state and active duty military members on orders to Washington. Sen. Jim McCune, R-Graham, introduced an amendment that would have removed the emergency clause in the bill, but that amendment was voted down by Democrats. “Gun violence is an emergency,” said Sen. Patty Kuderer, D-Bellevue. “Kids getting shot in schools is an emergency.” Here is the list of the specific firearms included in the bill that would be banned: AK-47 in all forms AK-74 in all forms Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms AR 180 type semiautomatic Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic Australian Automatic Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic Barrett .50 cal M87 Barrett .50 cal M107A1 Barrett REC7 Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic Bushmaster Carbon 15 Bushmaster ACR Bushmaster XM-15 Bushmaster MOE Calico models M100 and M900 CETME Sporter 4CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic Colt CAR 15 Daewoo K-1 Daewoo K-2 Dragunov semiautomatic Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms Fabrique Nationale F2000 Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter Fabrique Nationale M249S Fabrique Nationale PS90 Fabrique Nationale SCAR FAMAS .223 semiautomatic Galil Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms Heckler & Koch HK-41/91 Heckler & Koch HK-43/93 Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3 Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms Heckler & Koch PSG-1 Heckler & Koch SL8 Heckler & Koch UMP Manchester Arms Commando MK-45 Manchester Arms MK-9 SAR-4800 SIG AMT SG510 in all forms SIG SG550 in all forms SKS Spectre M4 Springfield Armory BM-59 Springfield Armory G3 Springfield Armory SAR-8 Springfield Armory SAR-48 Springfield Armory SAR-3 Springfield Armory M-21 sniper Springfield Armory M1A 7Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sterling Mk 1 Sterling Mk 6/7 Steyr AUG TNW M230 FAMAS F11 Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle The legislation further defines assault weapons as “semiautomatic rifles with an overall length of less than 30 inches; conversion kits and parts that can be used to assemble an assault weapon or convert a firearm into an assault weapon, if the parts are in the possession of or under the control of the same person; semiautomatic centerfire rifles that have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and have one or more additional features listed in the bill; semiautomatic centerfire rifles with a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds; semiautomatic pistols that have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and have one or more additional features listed in the bill; semiautomatic shotguns that have one or more additional features listed in the bill.” Some of those additional features listed in the legislation include folding or telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, muzzle brakes and thumbhole stocks. The passage of the bill comes one day after Senate lawmakers voted to approve a 10-day waiting period for all gun purchases in the state. According to Giffords Law Center, nine other states including Hawaii, California and New York, as well as the District of Columbia, have passed general assault weapons bans. The last day of the legislative session is April 23.

Read more at: https://www.theolympian.com/news/politics-government/article274115110.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: swordtine on April 09, 2023, 08:51:53 AM
I’m sorry if this question was already asked, but are there any known exceptions in this legislation for firearms or other items held in a trust?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 09, 2023, 09:00:22 AM
I’m sorry if this question was already asked, but are there any known exceptions in this legislation for firearms or other items held in a trust?

Any firearm owned is grandfathered in and Still legal to own.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 09, 2023, 12:19:32 PM
So, if you have lowers now will you be able to assemble an AR after bill??
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 09, 2023, 12:39:49 PM
So, if you have lowers now will you be able to assemble an AR after bill??

I think you have to have all the stuff purchased before hand. Not sure how this will be enforced but....
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 09, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
So, if you have lowers now will you be able to assemble an AR after bill??
I would think that is not legal.

No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: CP on April 09, 2023, 01:08:08 PM
What about uppers?  Can they still be bought and sold?

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: actionshooter on April 09, 2023, 01:09:53 PM
What about uppers?  Can they still be bought and sold?



They law has a lot of gray areas... but basically... No
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: wags on April 09, 2023, 01:12:14 PM
1240 just passed 27-21  :bash: :bash: goes back to the house now.
And this surprises some people?

It shouldn't surprise anyone that a State that would; legalize crime (shoplifting and theft), demand that we all cower to perverted sexual individuals, deny science in favor of ideology, would also pass a blatantly unconstitutional gun ban.

I'm just surprised that it took them this long to pass this legislation.   
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on April 09, 2023, 01:40:05 PM
1240 just passed 27-21  :bash: :bash: goes back to the house now.
And this surprises some people?

It shouldn't surprise anyone that a State that would; legalize crime (shoplifting and theft), demand that we all cower to perverted sexual individuals, deny science in favor of ideology, would also pass a blatantly unconstitutional gun ban.

I'm just surprised that it took them this long to pass this legislation.

Funny thought exactly the same thing
Im surprised it took this long
Worst crime I’ve ever seen
So heck yea pass gun laws that only hurt law abiding citizens
Thank you liberal lawmakers like Senator Manka Dhingra
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 09, 2023, 02:02:31 PM
Sponsors of the bill:

Alvarado, Democrat
Bateman, Democrat
Bergquist, Democrat
Berry, Democrat
Davis, Democrat
Doglio, Democrat
Duerr, Democrat
Fey, Democrat
Fitzgibbon, Democrat
Fosse, Democrat
Gregerson, Democrat
Kloba, Democrat
Lekanoff, Democrat
Macri, Democrat
Ormsby, Democrat
Pollet, Democrat
Ramel, Democrat
Reed, Democrat
Reeves, Democrat
Santos, Democrat
Senn, Democrat
Simmons, Democrat
Springer, Democrat
Street, Democrat
Walen, Democrat

Senators voting Yea:

Billig, Democrat
Cleveland, Democrat
Conway, Democrat
Dhingra, Democrat
Frame, Democrat
Hasegawa, Democrat
Hunt, Democrat
Kauffman, Democrat
Keiser, Democrat
Kuderer, Democrat
Liias, Democrat
Lovelett, Democrat
Lovick, Democrat
Mullet, Democrat
Nguyen, Democrat
Pedersen, Democrat
Randall, Democrat
Robinson, Democrat
Rolfes, Democrat
Saldaña, Democrat
Salomon, Democrat
Shewmake, Democrat
Stanford, Democrat
Trudeau, Democrat
Valdez, Democrat
Wellman, Democrat
Wilson, Democrat

One Democratic Senator voted Nay: Kevin Van De Wege
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on April 09, 2023, 02:06:07 PM
Has anyone seen or know where we can take this so called fire arm safety class?? Does the class I took 40 years to hunt count ?


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 09, 2023, 02:27:58 PM
Has anyone seen or know where we can take this so called fire arm safety class?? Does the class I took 40 years to hunt count ?


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Referring to WA I-1639 Compliance Training?  My most recent certificate dated March 20th, 2023.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: swordtine on April 09, 2023, 02:46:20 PM
I’m sorry if this question was already asked, but are there any known exceptions in this legislation for firearms or other items held in a trust?

Any firearm owned is grandfathered in and Still legal to own.

Thanks yes I understand that they are grandfathered for us and can be passed on to our children, however they become illegal to be passed on to the next generation after our kids. So my grandchildren would not be allowed to own many of my firearms. I’m curious if a gun trust would be a way around this provision?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 09, 2023, 03:00:44 PM
Has anyone seen or know where we can take this so called fire arm safety class?? Does the class I took 40 years to hunt count ?


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Google "I 1639 firearms safety course" :tup:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 09, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Has anyone seen or know where we can take this so called fire arm safety class?? Does the class I took 40 years to hunt count ?


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Referring to WA I-1639 Compliance Training?  My most recent certificate dated March 20th, 2023.

https://sporting-systems.com/free-1639-training/
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 09, 2023, 03:23:09 PM
i wonder how they will enforce "imports" ?  Say I drive to Idaho and pick up a couple of 30 rd mags, or an upper or parts kit how would they know?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on April 09, 2023, 03:39:53 PM
They don’t


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 09, 2023, 03:42:44 PM
How would they and why would you type it? :yike: :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on April 09, 2023, 03:45:23 PM
Hello McFly ?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-ag-issues-chilling-warning-lefts-agenda-leading-horrific-crimes
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: fowl smacker on April 09, 2023, 03:54:25 PM
i wonder how they will enforce "imports" ?  Say I drive to Idaho and pick up a couple of 30 rd mags, or an upper or parts kit how would they know?
Most 30 rd mags are date stamped I believe
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 09, 2023, 03:56:27 PM
They don’t


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 09, 2023, 03:57:02 PM
I’m still confused on the definition of importing firearms. If someone wants to move to Washington and they own banned firearms would they be banned from moving to Washington with those firearms?  If you own property in multiple states and legally buy a banned firearm in another state would you be banned from traveling back to Washington with that firearm?

Wouldn’t this be violation of the United States constitution and the right of citizens to travel between states? Especially since firearm ownership is protected by the 2nd amendment and it is illegal to prohibit citizens from keeping firearms?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 09, 2023, 03:58:18 PM
i wonder how they will enforce "imports" ?  Say I drive to Idaho and pick up a couple of 30 rd mags, or an upper or parts kit how would they know?
Most 30 rd mags are date stamped I believe

Non of mine are but maybe I’m just old.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 09, 2023, 04:14:51 PM
I just read thru the whole Bill and I've got to say that is the BIGGEST crock of CRAP! I've ever read. Talk about unconstitutional. I guess we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it doesn't take to long for this to be overturned somehow.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 09, 2023, 04:48:48 PM
i wonder how they will enforce "imports" ?  Say I drive to Idaho and pick up a couple of 30 rd mags, or an upper or parts kit how would they know?
Most 30 rd mags are date stamped I believe
On the plastic ones there is a mark that could be scuffed up a bit and be unreadable. Many mags out there were manufactured “pre ban”.
I am not recommending anything.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: fowl smacker on April 09, 2023, 04:52:30 PM
i wonder how they will enforce "imports" ?  Say I drive to Idaho and pick up a couple of 30 rd mags, or an upper or parts kit how would they know?
Most 30 rd mags are date stamped I believe
On the plastic ones there is a mark that could be scuffed up a bit and be unreadable. Many mags out there were manufactured “pre ban”.
I am not recommending anything.
Yes, I should have clarified, plastic mags.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 09, 2023, 04:52:47 PM
I just read thru the whole Bill and I've got to say that is the BIGGEST crock of CRAP! I've ever read. Talk about unconstitutional. I guess we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it doesn't take to long for this to be overturned somehow.

It will be overturned by Judge Benitez in California. Probably be the shortest lived “assault weapons ban” in the country. The democrats have no historical precedent to defend their garbage gun control.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 09, 2023, 06:27:35 PM
I just read thru the whole Bill and I've got to say that is the BIGGEST crock of CRAP! I've ever read. Talk about unconstitutional. I guess we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it doesn't take to long for this to be overturned somehow.

It will be overturned by Judge Benitez in California. Probably be the shortest lived “assault weapons ban” in the country. The democrats have no historical precedent to defend their garbage gun control.
I hope so. We have been waiting quite a while or that ruling to come down. For some reason I am not holding my breath.
His ruling will be appealed to the 9th circuit court of appeals. They will drag it out as long as they possibly can.
There will be a separate lawsuit in Washington that will be slow rolled through the courts. The ban will be “law” for quite a while.
There was supposed to be a ruling from a judge on the east side of the mountains in Washington in December on the “large capacity” mag ban. Still waiting for that. Don’t hold your breath on the legal system making things right.
Hang onto your guns and mags. They are grandfathered in. At least The mags are. I think the “assault rifles” are too. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Griiz on April 09, 2023, 07:40:02 PM
I expect it to be thrown out by the courts, but it could take years. I also expected the courts to rule Washington’s Capital Gains tax was an income tax and against our state constitution and they ruled it wasn’t an income tax. Bought and paid for or controlled by Sleezly or something fishy going on.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on April 09, 2023, 08:21:08 PM
I expect it to be thrown out by the courts, but it could take years. I also expected the courts to rule Washington’s Capital Gains tax was an income tax and against our state constitution and they ruled it wasn’t an income tax. Bought and paid for or controlled by Sleezly or something fishy going on.

I expect that is their plan throw some laws in that will take years to rule on and than throw in some humdingers that will take even more years to set right. All to try to bankrupt the gun rights groups and encumber the lawful gun buyer.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2023, 08:25:07 PM
I expect it to be thrown out by the courts, but it could take years. I also expected the courts to rule Washington’s Capital Gains tax was an income tax and against our state constitution and they ruled it wasn’t an income tax. Bought and paid for or controlled by Sleezly or something fishy going on.

I expect that is their plan throw some laws in that will take years to rule on and than throw in some humdingers that will take even more years to set right. All to try to bankrupt the gun rights groups and encumber the lawful gun buyer.

 :yeah: :yeah:

It would be nice if they could be held liable for knowingly passing an unconstitutional law.....all who put the bill forward as well as the yes votes.  The blatant disregard for the constitution is sickening. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: actionshooter on April 09, 2023, 08:52:19 PM
I expect it to be thrown out by the courts, but it could take years. I also expected the courts to rule Washington’s Capital Gains tax was an income tax and against our state constitution and they ruled it wasn’t an income tax. Bought and paid for or controlled by Sleezly or something fishy going on.

I expect that is their plan throw some laws in that will take years to rule on and than throw in some humdingers that will take even more years to set right. All to try to bankrupt the gun rights groups and encumber the lawful gun buyer.

 :yeah: :yeah:

It would be nice if they could be held liable for knowingly passing an unconstitutional law.....all who put the bill forward as well as the yes votes.  The blatant disregard for the constitution is sickening. 


!00%  Being prosecuted for knowingly pursuing legislation that is against the constitution would put an end to all the crazy  laws.... but it would get passed as quickly as term limits...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: passman65 on April 09, 2023, 09:21:07 PM
Will Not Comply!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 09, 2023, 09:38:07 PM
Charlton Heston said it best.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 09, 2023, 09:51:03 PM
I just read thru the whole Bill and I've got to say that is the BIGGEST crock of CRAP! I've ever read. Talk about unconstitutional. I guess we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it doesn't take to long for this to be overturned somehow.
It will be overturned by Judge Benitez in California. Probably be the shortest lived “assault weapons ban” in the country. The democrats have no historical precedent to defend their garbage gun control.
Benitez's ruling will only apply to the CA assault weapons weapon.

As a District Court Judge he can only impose rulings which would affect his district. He can try and say it applies to the whole Ninth Circuit but based on prior history CA will seek an injuction to prevent that which the Ninth Circuit would grant and essentially put Benitez's ruling on hold. The case will then fall into the hands of the Ninth Circuit. Now the Ninth Circuit overruling CA's law would essentially nullify WA's new law.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: blackdog on April 09, 2023, 10:03:57 PM
I killed that bill for many years but I am not there to do it this year.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 09, 2023, 10:43:58 PM
I just read thru the whole Bill and I've got to say that is the BIGGEST crock of CRAP! I've ever read. Talk about unconstitutional. I guess we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it doesn't take to long for this to be overturned somehow.
It will be overturned by Judge Benitez in California. Probably be the shortest lived “assault weapons ban” in the country. The democrats have no historical precedent to defend their garbage gun control.
Benitez's ruling will only apply to the CA assault weapons weapon.

As a District Court Judge he can only impose rulings which would affect his district. He can try and say it applies to the whole Ninth Circuit but based on prior history CA will seek an injuction to prevent that which the Ninth Circuit would grant and essentially put Benitez's ruling on hold. The case will then fall into the hands of the Ninth Circuit. Now the Ninth Circuit overruling CA's law would essentially nullify WA's new law.

Correct me if I’m wrong Bigtex, but isn’t this case before the appeals court? So the ruling would be binding for the entire ninth circuit. Benitez has already ruled in favor of assault weapons bans are unconstitutional and AG Bonta appealed the ruling. Not long after that the Supreme Court ruled on BRUEN. With the Bruen case ruling came the texts, history, and tradition test that now governs laws restricting the right to keep and bear arms.
 So now we’re waiting on the new test to be applied in the Miller v Bonta on appeal which appears to be taking a while.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 09, 2023, 11:08:24 PM
I just read thru the whole Bill and I've got to say that is the BIGGEST crock of CRAP! I've ever read. Talk about unconstitutional. I guess we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it doesn't take to long for this to be overturned somehow.
It will be overturned by Judge Benitez in California. Probably be the shortest lived “assault weapons ban” in the country. The democrats have no historical precedent to defend their garbage gun control.
Benitez's ruling will only apply to the CA assault weapons weapon.

As a District Court Judge he can only impose rulings which would affect his district. He can try and say it applies to the whole Ninth Circuit but based on prior history CA will seek an injuction to prevent that which the Ninth Circuit would grant and essentially put Benitez's ruling on hold. The case will then fall into the hands of the Ninth Circuit. Now the Ninth Circuit overruling CA's law would essentially nullify WA's new law.
Correct me if I’m wrong Bigtex, but isn’t this case before the appeals court? So the ruling would be binding for the entire ninth circuit. Benitez has already ruled in favor of assault weapons bans are unconstitutional and AG Bonta appealed the ruling. Not long after that the Supreme Court ruled on BRUEN. With the Bruen case ruling came the texts, history, and tradition test that now governs laws restricting the right to keep and bear arms.
 So now we’re waiting on the new test to be applied in the Miller v Bonta on appeal which appears to be taking a while.
In current form it's not before the Ninth Circuit yet, it's still on Benitez's desk. Assuming Benitez rules in favor of Miller in Miller v Bonta it'll then go before the Ninth Circuit (again). The Ninth Circuit ruling (which could be a year or more away) would affect WA.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: wags on April 09, 2023, 11:48:53 PM
i wonder how they will enforce "imports" ?  Say I drive to Idaho and pick up a couple of 30 rd mags, or an upper or parts kit how would they know?
They won't know.
This is why these laws don't work. Criminals can drive to Idaho too.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: wags on April 09, 2023, 11:52:29 PM
I’m still confused on the definition of importing firearms. If someone wants to move to Washington and they own banned firearms would they be banned from moving to Washington with those firearms?  If you own property in multiple states and legally buy a banned firearm in another state would you be banned from traveling back to Washington with that firearm?

Wouldn’t this be violation of the United States constitution and the right of citizens to travel between states? Especially since firearm ownership is protected by the 2nd amendment and it is illegal to prohibit citizens from keeping firearms?
You ask this question as though you believe the Democrats in Washington care about the Constitution. Funny.
It will be fun to watch SCOTUS swat this down. Of course Democrats will blame the Justices for upholding the Constitution.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 10, 2023, 06:51:18 AM
I killed that bill for many years but I am not there to do it this year.
Sucks your not still there,in the fight.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 10, 2023, 09:27:03 AM
I killed that bill for many years but I am not there to do it this year.
Your replacement voted against it also.
Were you on a committee that kept it from moving on?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: blackdog on April 10, 2023, 10:07:02 AM
I killed it in caucus, they don’t vote on the floor unless they already have the votes.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 10, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
Refresh my memory.....what was the bill that stopped or limited you being able to loan a gun to someone?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 10, 2023, 10:34:57 AM
Refresh my memory.....what was the bill that stopped or limited you being able to loan a gun to someone?
That was an initiative
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 10, 2023, 10:37:25 AM
Refresh my memory.....what was the bill that stopped or limited you being able to loan a gun to someone?
That was an initiative
Yup....594 ....just found it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: silverdalesauer on April 10, 2023, 12:08:44 PM

Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, tries to take it down a notch and talk about the things that we can control.  Namely, the litigation that is likely to stem from this year's legislative session.  So, let's all take a few deep breaths, and focus on the stuff we can control and arm ourselves with education today. 
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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Katmai Guy on April 10, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
Was just watching ch4 news story on this and the reporter mentioned the bill, if passed and signed by Insley, won't go into effect until Jan 1, 2025.  Anyone know if this correct?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2023, 01:19:31 PM
Someone just told me it had a clause that would make it go into effect immediately.   They were remarking on that specifically.   I dont know
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 10, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
Someone just told me it had a clause that would make it go into effect immediately.   They were remarking on that specifically.   I dont know



You are correct Inslee is going to sign it by executive order.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 10, 2023, 01:43:10 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/assault-weapon-ban-clears-wa-state-senate/

"The bill contains an emergency clause, meaning it will go into effect immediately upon being signed by Inslee."
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 10, 2023, 02:26:44 PM

Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, tries to take it down a notch and talk about the things that we can control.  Namely, the litigation that is likely to stem from this year's legislative session.  So, let's all take a few deep breaths, and focus on the stuff we can control and arm ourselves with education today. 
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Well this seems encouraging at least.  Such a HUGE infringement on our 2nd amendment rights I just can't see it standing. If it does lets hope not for long.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 10, 2023, 02:30:50 PM
I see the Seattle Times writer Jim Brunner is giddy over the bills. Another ignorant sheep following the herd.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 10, 2023, 02:47:15 PM
People should have seen this stupidity coming for a long time. Can't procrastinate on this stuff.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 10, 2023, 02:51:55 PM
I see the Seattle Times writer Jim Brunner is giddy over the bills. Another ignorant sheep following the herd.
People follow news more when it's bad.  Gun control tends to correlate with crime---Chicago, California, etc.  For the Times, more gun control would mean more papers/subscriptions sold.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 10, 2023, 03:25:12 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/assault-weapon-ban-clears-wa-state-senate/

"The bill contains an emergency clause, meaning it will go into effect immediately upon being signed by Inslee."
^^^This
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on April 10, 2023, 03:35:08 PM
With all this being said and knowing this liberal state is not going to stop with just this bill. A person should honestly be ordering ammo and stock piling!  I haven’t read anywhere in the 2nd amendment about banning ammunition.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 10, 2023, 03:48:47 PM
With all this being said and knowing this liberal state is not going to stop with just this bill. A person should honestly be ordering ammo and stock piling!  I haven’t read anywhere in the 2nd amendment about banning ammunition.


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Well regulated = well supplied, so the government isn't supposed to mess with your ability to supply your arms.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 10, 2023, 04:41:20 PM
In a court opinion over some of the recent 2A related suits I believe there is a statement that amounts to, "making the gun ineffective is similar to banning it outright and therefore a 2A violation" so hopefully that would apply to ammo restrictions. They'll still pass them though...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HunterStrait on April 10, 2023, 05:31:15 PM
If the bill goes in effect immediately, will it affect current/pending gun sales?

Cuz i just got a new elk gun that comes with the muzzle brake that's coming in next week...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 10, 2023, 05:35:16 PM
If the bill goes in effect immediately, will it affect current/pending gun sales?

Cuz i just got a new elk gun that comes with the muzzle brake that's coming in next week...

It only effects semi auto guns under 30 inches. Your elk rifle will be fine
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: swordtine on April 10, 2023, 08:12:34 PM
Just curious if anyone can comment to the restriction in this law that prevents a third generation from owning the grandfathered-in restricted items; and whether or not putting these newly-banned items into a gun trust would be a viable work-around for grandkids to be able to ‘Inherit’ these upon their becoming trustees…

I sure hope all of this back and forth speculating is as pointless as it ought to be once litigation against this ‘law’ proceeds…
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: seakev on April 10, 2023, 08:42:35 PM
Just curious if anyone can comment to the restriction in this law that prevents a third generation from owning the grandfathered-in restricted items; and whether or not putting these newly-banned items into a gun trust would be a viable work-around for grandkids to be able to ‘Inherit’ these upon their becoming trustees…

I sure hope all of this back and forth speculating is as pointless as it ought to be once litigation against this ‘law’ proceeds…

There is no vehicle to transfer the non-NFA firearm from an individual to a trust.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: seakev on April 10, 2023, 08:43:50 PM
If the bill goes in effect immediately, will it affect current/pending gun sales?

Cuz i just got a new elk gun that comes with the muzzle brake that's coming in next week...

It only effects semi auto guns under 30 inches. Your elk rifle will be fine

This statement is not accurate.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: swordtine on April 10, 2023, 09:01:45 PM
Just curious if anyone can comment to the restriction in this law that prevents a third generation from owning the grandfathered-in restricted items; and whether or not putting these newly-banned items into a gun trust would be a viable work-around for grandkids to be able to ‘Inherit’ these upon their becoming trustees…

I sure hope all of this back and forth speculating is as pointless as it ought to be once litigation against this ‘law’ proceeds…

There is no vehicle to transfer the non-NFA firearm from an individual to a trust.

Thanks for the response; it seems, however, that it should be possible for a gun trust to take title for legal, individually-owned firearms, although I understand it is normally something used for nfa-regulated items..

See below link, I’m not attempting to advertise for this company, I just found this in some preliminary engine searches.. and am very curious as to it’s protection against these types of laws..

 https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/gun-trusts (https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/gun-trusts)
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 10, 2023, 09:26:37 PM
If the bill goes in effect immediately, will it affect current/pending gun sales?

Cuz i just got a new elk gun that comes with the muzzle brake that's coming in next week...
It only effects semi auto guns under 30 inches. Your elk rifle will be fine
This statement is not accurate.
:yeah:

The 30 inch provision is just one of the characteristics that will now be considered an "assault weapon."

To HunterStrait's question if your rifle is a semi-auto, that will accept a detachable magazine, and has a muzzle break it will be considered an "assault weapon." As to whether the gun shop will give your gun it's really going to depend on the interpretation of the law, the law says it is unlawful to "distribute" an "assault weapon." I can see how a gun store handing over your new elk gun is distributing an assault weapon, thus unlawful.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 10, 2023, 09:45:16 PM
The legislation further defines assault weapons as “semiautomatic rifles with an overall length of less than 30 inches; conversion kits and parts that can be used to assemble an assault weapon or convert a firearm into an assault weapon

semiautomatic centerfire rifles that have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and have one or more additional features listed in the bill; semiautomatic centerfire rifles with a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds;

Those are direct from the article.
If his elk rifle isn't semi auto then the muzzle brake doesn't matter

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 10, 2023, 09:50:46 PM
So it would have to be a semi auto detachable magazine elk rifle with a muzzle brake to be illegal.

I stand corrected
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Post by: WRENCHMAN on April 10, 2023, 10:19:21 PM
Then why would an sks be banned?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 10, 2023, 10:33:47 PM
Then why would an sks be banned?
Some guns are specifically named in the law, such as an SKS.

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230410223256
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: luvmystang67 on April 11, 2023, 12:00:13 AM
Then why would an sks be banned?
Some guns are specifically named in the law, such as an SKS.

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230410223256

SKS commie, baddd... M1 Garand... good enough in WWII, good enough now, you'd better defend yourself with the weapons of the last world war.  Their stupidity makes my head spin.  Surprised they didn't ban the color black and automatic rubber band guns.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: BUTTER on April 11, 2023, 04:49:45 AM
The whole bill is basically copy and pasted from Californias. WA wants to be California. The agenda been set for a while, we don't have politicians. We have woke agenda set extremists, I however am ready to stake that sign out front
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 11, 2023, 07:06:14 AM
Consider a law which bans people from moving to our state with their semi-auto firearms. This is unconstitutional on so many levels that it has an emergency clause to be signed by our King immediately. All the while, there's no emergency clause dealing with raised mandatory sentences for violent crime, fentanyl, human trafficking. We know what the king is trying to do and he's not even hiding it. God help us if we don't get him out of office in 2024...or his jester Ferguson.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 11, 2023, 07:14:26 AM
Yup the king....
I'm just tired of being an example state.
The king ever gonna get over it,that nobody wants him for president .
They just pushing this crap ,so they can stand there and say .
Look at us ,we did it. So all the rest of the nation should lay down and do it too.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 11, 2023, 07:15:02 AM


Consider a law which bans people from moving to our state with their semi-auto firearms. This is unconstitutional on so many levels that it has an emergency clause to be signed by our King immediately. All the while, there's no emergency clause dealing with raised mandatory sentences for violent crime, fentanyl, human trafficking. We know what the king is trying to do and he's not even hiding it. God help us if we don't get him out of office in 2024...or his jester Ferguson.

Emergency clauses aren't that uncommon in WA. There's even been wildlife bills with emergency clauses.

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 11, 2023, 07:49:41 AM
His head keeps getting bigger.  I think Covid really blew up his ego.  We've watched California mass migrate to WA since the early 70's.  I know a few that went back they loved it so much.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: luvmystang67 on April 11, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
I think the funniest thing is people who think they're going to pass guns down.

Do you still think you'll be allowed to even own these guns by that time?  Unless you're a year or less away from "passing them down", I can't imagine you being able to even possess them legally within the next 5 years.

Nobody wants to take your guns... RIGHT NOW... but that is clearly the next logical step for them.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 11, 2023, 09:06:47 AM


Consider a law which bans people from moving to our state with their semi-auto firearms. This is unconstitutional on so many levels that it has an emergency clause to be signed by our King immediately. All the while, there's no emergency clause dealing with raised mandatory sentences for violent crime, fentanyl, human trafficking. We know what the king is trying to do and he's not even hiding it. God help us if we don't get him out of office in 2024...or his jester Ferguson.

Emergency clauses aren't that uncommon in WA. There's even been wildlife bills with emergency clauses.

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 11, 2023, 09:08:17 AM
. God help us if we don't get him out of office in 2024...or his jester Ferguson.


Ferguson the AG = Aspiring Govenor
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on April 11, 2023, 09:17:52 AM
If you haven't figured it out yet, just look at what just happened in Wisconsin!!!

Indoctrination Centers are FULL of the D's new recruits!  Minds of mush!

and

Elections have consequences!!

The D's are in "charge" of this state, NOT it's People!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: baker5150 on April 11, 2023, 09:32:34 AM
If you haven't figured it out yet, just look at what just happened in Wisconsin!!!

Indoctrination Centers are FULL of the D's new recruits!  Minds of mush!

and

Elections have consequences!!

The D's are in "charge" of this state, NOT it's People!




The consequence is the outcome the majority of this states citizens are after.  The majority being left leaning and/or Democrats. 

Look at the polls and stats taken on gun control in areas that decide this states elections.  You will see that gun bans and restrictions are exactly what they want.

The current talking point that the D's (I'm talking citizens) are "waking up" simply isn't true in this state.  They are getting exactly what they want and will continue to vote for it.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/wa-poll-shows-residents-back-assault-weapon-ban/
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on April 11, 2023, 09:56:48 AM
Ya, the Seattle Times!! :o

Seen a "story" very similar to that one on another shooting site but a different news story teller. Even had the same picture of guns!  They listed their "resources" four of them, two were government agency's, CDC and I've forgotten the second one,  the other two were anti 2A activist groups.  I'll let you guess who!  Their DATA is twisted to support their agenda's,  dis-information at best, but its made up so to fool a lot of people.

None are reliable sources for the Truth, last 3 years have proven that.  But then the last couple of decades, any "news" agency with the word "Times" in their name have destroyed their credibility too!

Then there are the "Polls"!  Should be ignored at best!  I've lived in this state for 67 years and have never received a call or mailing for taking a "poll".   History's of polls are simple, "bought and paid for" by whoever is looking to show their agenda!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Twispriver on April 11, 2023, 10:29:55 AM
If this were an initiative instead of legislation, I'm guessing it would pass with 65-70% approval.
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Post by: Griiz on April 11, 2023, 10:32:44 AM
The last time I got a call about a poll about issues in Washington. One of first questions after confirming who I was, was if I voted democrat or conservative. When I said conservative, they said this call is over and hung up. Tells you they only want to call certain groups of people.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: BUTTER on April 11, 2023, 10:36:06 AM
I just hope everyone on this site, is seeing the big picture. We continue on this course much longer this won't be Hunting Washington.com. It will be whaleandbirdsightings.com

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: baker5150 on April 11, 2023, 10:41:13 AM
Ya, the Seattle Times!! :o

Seen a "story" very similar to that one on another shooting site but a different news story teller. Even had the same picture of guns!  They listed their "resources" four of them, two were government agency's, CDC and I've forgotten the second one,  the other two were anti 2A activist groups.  I'll let you guess who!  Their DATA is twisted to support their agenda's,  dis-information at best, but its made up so to fool a lot of people.

None are reliable sources for the Truth, last 3 years have proven that.  But then the last couple of decades, any "news" agency with the word "Times" in their name have destroyed their credibility too!

Then there are the "Polls"!  Should be ignored at best!  I've lived in this state for 67 years and have never received a call or mailing for taking a "poll".   History's of polls are simple, "bought and paid for" by whoever is looking to show their agenda!

You missed the point. 

You stated this state is ran by the D's and not it's people. 

The point of my post is that this state is a majority D state, and the Citizen majority wants what is happening, and will continue to vote for it.  The consequences of these elections are exactly what they want.   These are wins for them.  They want gun control, they want gun bans, and they voted accordingly.



Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: baker5150 on April 11, 2023, 10:45:06 AM
If this were an initiative instead of legislation, I'm guessing it would pass with 65-70% approval.

 :yeah:


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Post by: time2hunt on April 11, 2023, 10:45:58 AM
I just hope everyone on this site, is seeing the big picture. We continue on this course much longer this won't be Hunting Washington.com. It will be whaleandbirdsightings.com
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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Griiz on April 11, 2023, 10:53:26 AM
The citizens in a few core population dense areas want this in this state and most big cities around the country. Look at a map of our state and the country and it is mostly red. Big cities are blue for the most part.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on April 11, 2023, 11:13:26 AM
 :yeah:

To bad this state didn't have a Majority "county's" vote!!  Lop sided at best!!   39 county's, yet 4 make all the decisions the rest have to live with!!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Katmai Guy on April 11, 2023, 12:11:03 PM
Problem is that it would still be the majority of the population.  The left is playing the long game and winning little issues at a time(death by 1000 cuts) whereas the right wants a solution to an issue all at once and then they look like extremists.  I feel if they would compromise on some issues and start trying to pull people from the middle left a little at a time there might be a chance to turn things around in WA.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 11, 2023, 12:59:11 PM
Here ya go
Very informative.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 11, 2023, 01:57:27 PM
Problem is that it would still be the majority of the population.  The left is playing the long game and winning little issues at a time(death by 1000 cuts) whereas the right wants a solution to an issue all at once and then they look like extremists.  I feel if they would compromise on some issues and start trying to pull people from the middle left a little at a time there might be a chance to turn things around in WA.

The right has been playing nice for decades while the left sends all of the sucker punches our way. It's time to take off the gloves. The D politicians are ruining our cities and our country. We need to expose them for their lies and deceit, for their Marxist goals (which are winning), for their treasonous behavior, for their backroom deals with our enemies. If any of the politicians on the right are guilty of the same, they should be dealt with the same. And, regardless of who is on Epstein's client list, we should've been told by now and they should be rotting in a dark, damp hole in the ground.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: shotguunar on April 11, 2023, 03:46:42 PM
 :)Since King Ensely is so worried about gun safety how do we get him and his so called voter base to level the playing field  Our republican friends in congress need to get a state wide bill going to put gun safety classes back into our school systems beings that they are funded through taxpayer money they want to go against the constitution  they need to pay for it . they are so afraid of these firearms maybe some of them need to back to school and be schooled on what the second amendment and constitution means
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: buckfvr on April 11, 2023, 03:47:18 PM
Its going to take a civil war to get our point across.  We are truly being bullied by the left.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 11, 2023, 04:01:31 PM
:)Since King Ensely is so worried about gun safety how do we get him and his so called voter base to level the playing field  Our republican friends in congress need to get a state wide bill going to put gun safety classes back into our school systems beings that they are funded through taxpayer money they want to go against the constitution  they need to pay for it . they are so afraid of these firearms maybe some of them need to back to school and be schooled on what the second amendment and constitution means

They want people to be ignorant of firearms, so they're scared of them, and want the government to "protect" them. They're not going to spend a dime to make people safer; quite the opposite. They've spent money to make them unsafe. They've hobbled the police and made the public think that police are racists and dangerous and to defund them.  Then they point their fingers at the guns and tell them that's why they're unsafe and the government can help them...and these liberal, Utopia-seeking idiots just follow blindly along and believe it all. They'll believe it until their heads are on the block and then ask how we could let this happen.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 11, 2023, 04:25:31 PM
If they want to label assault weapons the way they have; manufacturers of these arms and ammo should stop doing business and not sell AR15 platforms, parts and ammo to governments that deem them to be dangerous arms. If it is good for you and me then it must be good for thee. They sure as heck don’t need these platforms to protect government figures.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 11, 2023, 04:30:08 PM
Also if you're a democrat you should be banned from any and all gun ranges anywhere or own a gun of any sort. Although they probably don't go to any gun ranges anyways or own any guns. F them! and anybody who voted for this bill!  :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on April 11, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
The thing is
Latest shooting in Kentucky  “ legally purchased”
Translation =if your honked up in the head you’ll find a way to get one

Next thing they’ll be trying a nationwide ban and more than likely attempt to confiscate scary black guns from the public
 :twocents: :twocents:

Best look into joining some advocacy groups like 2A foundation
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: shotguunar on April 11, 2023, 07:18:49 PM
the civil war has already started it is the democrats at war with the constitution of the United States the only time they abide by it is when their at the short end of the stick this will be the least of their worries if china invades Taiwan good luck bringing back the draft and trying to draft any of these woke young people
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: actionshooter on April 11, 2023, 08:38:44 PM
 Realistically we are loosing because conservatives aren't involved.... the majority of the right just want to be left alone.   While most have their heads in the sand, the left wants to "change the world"   they truly believe they removing guns will solve crime and the gov. is getting what they want, to disarm the public.

If every conservative joined one of the pro-gun groups, this legislation wouldn't go through
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: cem3434 on April 11, 2023, 08:45:35 PM
:yeah:

To bad this state didn't have a Majority "county's" vote!!  Lop sided at best!!   39 county's, yet 4 make all the decisions the rest have to live with!!

I would venture to guess those same 4 counties also have the highest violent crime rate per capita, largest mental health issues per capita, most homeless per capita and largest demographic of drug users. Funny how all of that goes hand and hand with the liberal left.  :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on April 11, 2023, 08:49:03 PM
I think we’re loosing because we’re more concerned about buying all the guns and ammo instead using all the guns and ammo.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 11, 2023, 09:57:45 PM
I killed it in caucus, they don’t vote on the floor unless they already have the votes.
They have enough votes now, and have had for a few years. Doubt you would be able to stop it now if you still held the seat.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 12, 2023, 08:21:56 AM
"Losing" is the word y'all are looking for.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 12, 2023, 09:54:22 AM
ORDER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
If you need parts,this or that.
Order now!!!!!!
I know I did ,what about you.
New toys in the mail.
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
King inslee.🤓💩💩💩💩
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 12, 2023, 10:15:31 AM
:yeah:

To bad this state didn't have a Majority "county's" vote!!  Lop sided at best!!   39 county's, yet 4 make all the decisions the rest have to live with!!

I would venture to guess those same 4 counties also have the highest violent crime rate per capita, largest mental health issues per capita, most homeless per capita and largest demographic of drug users. Funny how all of that goes hand and hand with the liberal left.  :twocents:

Agree for sure
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 12, 2023, 10:27:11 AM
:yeah:

To bad this state didn't have a Majority "county's" vote!!  Lop sided at best!!   39 county's, yet 4 make all the decisions the rest have to live with!!

I would venture to guess those same 4 counties also have the highest violent crime rate per capita, largest mental health issues per capita, most homeless per capita and largest demographic of drug users. Funny how all of that goes hand and hand with the liberal left.  :twocents:

Agree for sure
Also agree
Damm inslee lovers.
They can have him.
Let two counties control the whole state.
BS you ask me.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 12, 2023, 10:33:02 PM
Problem is that it would still be the majority of the population.  The left is playing the long game and winning little issues at a time(death by 1000 cuts) whereas the right wants a solution to an issue all at once and then they look like extremists.  I feel if they would compromise on some issues and start trying to pull people from the middle left a little at a time there might be a chance to turn things around in WA.

 Give us a example where there would be compromise please!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 12, 2023, 10:38:19 PM
Also if you're a democrat you should be banned from any and all gun ranges anywhere or own a gun of any sort. Although they probably don't go to any gun ranges anyways or own any guns. F them! and anybody who voted for this bill!  :bash:

 Like conservatives, they have every right to own firearms and utilize gun ranges as we do. That being said, if they were not hypocrites, they would be the first to voluntarily turn in their weapons and disarm…but then again, they are all hypocrites! :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Oh Mah on April 13, 2023, 11:29:00 PM
Also if you're a democrat you should be banned from any and all gun ranges anywhere or own a gun of any sort. Although they probably don't go to any gun ranges anyways or own any guns. F them! and anybody who voted for this bill!  :bash:

 Like conservatives, they have every right to own firearms and utilize gun ranges as we do. That being said, if they were not hypocrites, they would be the first to voluntarily turn in their weapons and disarm…but then again, they are all hypocrites! :twocents:
:DOH: :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: fowl smacker on April 14, 2023, 05:40:48 AM
Problem is that it would still be the majority of the population.  The left is playing the long game and winning little issues at a time(death by 1000 cuts) whereas the right wants a solution to an issue all at once and then they look like extremists.  I feel if they would compromise on some issues and start trying to pull people from the middle left a little at a time there might be a chance to turn things around in WA.

 Give us a example where there would be compromise please!
Following the oath they all took to uphold the constitution would be a great starting point.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 14, 2023, 08:21:29 AM
Also if you're a democrat you should be banned from any and all gun ranges anywhere or own a gun of any sort. Although they probably don't go to any gun ranges anyways or own any guns. F them! and anybody who voted for this bill!  :bash:

 Like conservatives, they have every right to own firearms and utilize gun ranges as we do. That being said, if they were not hypocrites, they would be the first to voluntarily turn in their weapons and disarm…but then again, they are all hypocrites! :twocents:

I want every democrat possible to own guns. Only then will they begin to realize our Constitution matters and will seek to protect it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: washingtonmuley on April 14, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Screw Inslee and his Democrat buddies!!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 14, 2023, 06:37:28 PM
Can someone smarter than me explain this? 

IN THE HOUSE
Apr 14   Amendment ruled beyond the scope and object of the bill.
House refuses to concur in Senate amendments. Asks Senate to recede from amendments.

April 14, 2023 - Amendment ruled beyond the scope and object of the bill.

Bill Description - Firearms/assault weapons
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: seakev on April 14, 2023, 07:29:17 PM
The following two amendments were made to the bill and adopted by the Senate before being sent back to the House
to approve before being sent to the king. The House doesn't agree with the amendments and has asked the Senate to rescind them.

1240-S AMS RAND S3183.3
SHB 1240 - S AMD TO LAW COMM AMD (S-2726.1/23) 377
By Senator Randall
ADOPTED 04/08/2023
On page 13, line 30, after "nonresidents;" strike "or"
On page 13, line 31, after "(d)" insert "The out-of-state sale or
transfer of the existing stock of assault weapons owned by a licensed
dealer that was acquired prior to January 1, 2023, for the limited
period of 90 days after the effective date of this section; or
(e)"
Correct any internal references accordingly.
EFFECT: Clarifies an existing exception to the bill by allowing
firearms dealers to sell or transfer their existing stock of assault
weapons that were acquired prior to January 1, 2023, to outside of
the state for the limited period of 90 days after the effective date
of this section.
--- END ---

1240-S AMS WAGO S2933.1
SHB 1240 - S AMD TO LAW COMM AMD (S-2726.1/23) 366
By Senator Wagoner
ADOPTED 04/08/2023
On page 13, line 30, after "nonresidents;" strike "or"
On page 14, line 2, after "weapon" insert "; or
(e) Any person on active military duty receiving orders to move
to Washington state, or military retirees moving to Washington state"
EFFECT: Provides exceptions for persons on active military duty
receiving orders to move to Washington state, or military retirees
moving to Washington state.
--- END ---
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Post by: huntnfmly on April 14, 2023, 07:39:02 PM
That just gave me a headache reading that😂
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 14, 2023, 07:56:29 PM
And if Senate doesn't rescind?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 14, 2023, 10:46:24 PM
And if Senate doesn't rescind?
My guess is that they will. If they don’t, I think the house will cave and pass it with the changes because they are so excited to finally be able to pass this leftist wet dream gun control.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: NitRally on April 15, 2023, 06:57:09 AM
Watch it get passed and inslee signs it on April 20th to virtue signal on the 24th anniversary of columbine.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Sundance on April 15, 2023, 07:08:14 PM
Watch it get passed and inslee signs it on April 20th to virtue signal on the 24th anniversary of columbine.

Fitting that he would be signing legislation to strip firearm rights away from citizens, on Adolph Hitler’s birthday nonetheless.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: full choke on April 15, 2023, 07:47:25 PM
Watch it get passed and inslee signs it on April 20th to virtue signal on the 24th anniversary of columbine.

Fitting that he would be signing legislation to strip firearm rights away from citizens, on Adolph Hitler’s birthday nonetheless.

There is a reason he is known as Jaydolf...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on April 17, 2023, 10:18:04 PM


Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 19, 2023, 11:22:36 AM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

My bad it passed the senate with a couple changes to the import wording back at house
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 19, 2023, 11:30:27 AM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

As in the House passed it with the Senate's amendments?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 19, 2023, 11:36:08 AM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

As in the House passed it with the Senate's amendments?

Senate with changes to import wording and meaning
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 19, 2023, 11:37:43 AM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

As in the House passed it with the Senate's amendments?
It was reworded on some of the amendments like the import one when you legal own fun leave WA and come back with same gun.

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 19, 2023, 11:43:44 AM
I hope there is a handful of lawsuits ready to roll the minute this gets signed
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 19, 2023, 11:47:07 AM
I hope there is a handful of lawsuits ready to roll the minute this gets signed
I'm sure there is.
Nothing fast about the court system.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 19, 2023, 11:47:28 AM
There are a lawsuits ready

They changed the import meaning it says now that you cannot receive stuff from out of state so you can bring your own stuff back
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 19, 2023, 11:48:05 AM
This is what happened another time they came for our guns, 248 years ago today.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 19, 2023, 01:23:12 PM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

My bad it passed the senate with a couple changes to the import wording back at house

Tomorrow is the Aniversary of the Columbine shooting. This delay was planned.  :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on April 19, 2023, 01:27:07 PM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

My bad it passed the senate with a couple changes to the import wording back at house

Tomorrow is the Aniversary of the Columbine shooting. This delay was planned.  :twocents:

As stated earlier....it is also Hitlers birthday!!!  Memes will be flying if signed tomorrow. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 19, 2023, 01:43:41 PM
Just got an update it passed Inslee is probably going to sign it tomorrow

My bad it passed the senate with a couple changes to the import wording back at house

Tomorrow is the Aniversary of the Columbine shooting. This delay was planned.  :twocents:

As stated earlier....it is also Hitlers birthday!!!  Memes will be flying if signed tomorrow.

I don't have tweeter but if I did I would tweet the gov office that fact tonight sometime. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Brotherman on April 19, 2023, 01:48:24 PM
They never miss an opportunity to capitalize on a tragedy!  >:(
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 19, 2023, 01:58:25 PM
Bill is back on the House floor's concurrence calendar. I bet they pass it tomorrow.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: vandeman17 on April 19, 2023, 02:51:55 PM
Democratic legislators claim, including Senator Patty Kuderer, that mass shootings are the "preeminent issue of our time."

However, The Center Square reports mass shootings made up only 2 percent of all murders and homicides between 2015 and 2021, and data from Harborview Medical Center's Firearm Injury and Research Program shows 74 percent of gun-related deaths in WA state involve suicide.

https://kpq.com/are-mass-shootings-the-wa-threat-legislators-claim-they-are/
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 19, 2023, 03:04:39 PM
They just can't tell the truth or their plans would fail.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 19, 2023, 03:06:47 PM
Democratic legislators claim, including Senator Patty Kuderer, that mass shootings are the "preeminent issue of our time."

However, The Center Square reports mass shootings made up only 2 percent of all murders and homicides between 2015 and 2021, and data from Harborview Medical Center's Firearm Injury and Research Program shows 74 percent of gun-related deaths in WA state involve suicide.

https://kpq.com/are-mass-shootings-the-wa-threat-legislators-claim-they-are/

More like the issue of our time is we seem to have a mental health issue that these morons on the left don’t want to acknowledge and address. They did away with tools past generations used to take care of the mentally ill, then turn around and blame a type of weapon for todays problems.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bullkllr on April 19, 2023, 03:09:15 PM
Democratic legislators claim, including Senator Patty Kuderer, that mass shootings are the "preeminent issue of our time."

However, The Center Square reports mass shootings made up only 2 percent of all murders and homicides between 2015 and 2021, and data from Harborview Medical Center's Firearm Injury and Research Program shows 74 percent of gun-related deaths in WA state involve suicide.

https://kpq.com/are-mass-shootings-the-wa-threat-legislators-claim-they-are/

And since two 'victims' constitutes a mass shooting, the vast majority of the non-suicides are gang/other crime-related, and they make up nearly all 'mass shootings'.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 19, 2023, 03:10:52 PM
Democratic legislators claim, including Senator Patty Kuderer, that mass shootings are the "preeminent issue of our time."

However, The Center Square reports mass shootings made up only 2 percent of all murders and homicides between 2015 and 2021, and data from Harborview Medical Center's Firearm Injury and Research Program shows 74 percent of gun-related deaths in WA state involve suicide.

https://kpq.com/are-mass-shootings-the-wa-threat-legislators-claim-they-are/

More like the issue of our time is we seem to have a mental health issue that these morons on the left don’t want to acknowledge and address. They did away with tools past generations used to take care of the mentally ill, then turn around and blame a type of weapon for todays problems.

They can't acknowledge it. They caused it with shutting down mental hospitals and the incessant lock downs throughout the Wuhan Flu.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 19, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
Democratic legislators claim, including Senator Patty Kuderer, that mass shootings are the "preeminent issue of our time."

However, The Center Square reports mass shootings made up only 2 percent of all murders and homicides between 2015 and 2021, and data from Harborview Medical Center's Firearm Injury and Research Program shows 74 percent of gun-related deaths in WA state involve suicide.

https://kpq.com/are-mass-shootings-the-wa-threat-legislators-claim-they-are/
:yeah:
More like the issue of our time is we seem to have a mental health issue that these morons on the left don’t want to acknowledge and address. They did away with tools past generations used to take care of the mentally ill, then turn around and blame a type of weapon for todays problems.

They can't acknowledge it. They caused it with shutting down mental hospitals and the incessant lock downs throughout the Wuhan Flu.
:yeah: That’s how I see it as well

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 19, 2023, 03:30:12 PM
I've said it since the beginning of the lockdowns; this will cause the biggest mental health crisis in history. I believe it has.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2023, 04:06:58 PM
Passed and will be signed tomorrow, thanks dems on here!  Maybe the dems that helped vote people that pass these laws shouldn’t be on a hunting forum? 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Casey on April 19, 2023, 04:10:40 PM
Passed and will be signed tomorrow, thanks dems on here!  Maybe the dems that helped vote people that pass these laws shouldn’t be on a hunting forum?
I agree. Hunters that vote blue are shooting them selves in the foot. Doesn’t make sense at all.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 19, 2023, 04:11:04 PM
Passed and will be signed tomorrow, thanks dems on here!  Maybe the dems that helped vote people that pass these laws shouldn’t be on a hunting forum?

When you silence someone, you lose the ability to see what they really are.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on April 19, 2023, 05:14:05 PM
Look up the letter that the Sheriff of Kittitas County sent to the legislature!!  Seen it on my phone but can't find it now.  VERY well written, sign the guy up for Governor!!  I found it!!  Sounds like Kittitas has level heads running their show, remember the letter to the DOT to help keep the pass open BUT Tyrants in Olympia refused their help!!

Now, if the rest of the elected Sheriff's would respond in kind, we could have a interesting outcome!

https://www.yaktrinews.com/news/its-not-going-to-stop-washington-state-sheriffs-oppose-assault-weapon-ban/article_a3b5cce4-d7fb-11ed-8489-d3e979fdfe29.html
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Halo on April 19, 2023, 05:16:46 PM
Passed and will be signed tomorrow, thanks dems on here!  Maybe the dems that helped vote people that pass these laws shouldn’t be on a hunting forum?
How fitting, The Dem's and Jaydolf Insleeze sign a gun ban into law to honor Hitler's birthday.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on April 19, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
Passed and will be signed tomorrow, thanks dems on here!  Maybe the dems that helped vote people that pass these laws shouldn’t be on a hunting forum?
How fitting, The Dem's and Jaydolf Insleeze sign a gun ban into law to honor Hitler's birthday.

Whats the ole saying, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, ITS a duck!! :tup:   

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Pinetar on April 19, 2023, 05:40:45 PM
Look up the letter that the Sheriff of Kittitas County sent to the legislature!!  Seen it on my phone but can't find it now.  VERY well written, sign the guy up for Governor!!  I found it!!  Sounds like Kittitas has level heads running their show, remember the letter to the DOT to help keep the pass open BUT Tyrants in Olympia refused their help!!

Now, if the rest of the elected Sheriff's would respond in kind, we could have a interesting outcome!

https://www.yaktrinews.com/news/its-not-going-to-stop-washington-state-sheriffs-oppose-assault-weapon-ban/article_a3b5cce4-d7fb-11ed-8489-d3e979fdfe29.html

Clay Meyers is the real deal and has a very level head.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 19, 2023, 05:44:38 PM
Now, if the rest of the elected Sheriff's would respond in kind, we could have a interesting outcome!
Wouldn't change a thing. The California Sheriff's Association has always come out against the latest gun grab law, yet lawmakers in CA ignore their what they say. Look at the anti-police/pro-criminal laws that the WA legislature has passed the past couple years, nobody in law enforcement supports it, but the legislature passes it anyway. Every Sheriff/Police Chief in WA could have come out against the assault weapon ban and it wouldn't have changed a thing.  :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HHPro on April 19, 2023, 05:55:21 PM
Here ya go.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2023, 06:56:13 PM
What if you paid for an AR last weekend and were  just waiting for the 10 day BS, can my son in law still get his gun?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 19, 2023, 07:02:34 PM
What if you paid for an AR last weekend and were  just waiting for the 10 day BS, can my son in law still get his gun?
Unless he gets it before Inslee signs the bill.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on April 19, 2023, 07:06:44 PM
 :yeah:

But he should get a full refund if purchased at a local shop.  Not sure how that works if he purchased online and had it shipped to an FFL.....that could make for a mess. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 19, 2023, 07:09:06 PM
Bought it at Big J’s in Orting
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: fowl smacker on April 19, 2023, 07:43:17 PM
Here ya go.
Well stated.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on April 19, 2023, 08:06:35 PM
What was the final say on suppressors ?


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 19, 2023, 08:52:11 PM
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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 19, 2023, 09:25:31 PM
What if you paid for an AR last weekend and were  just waiting for the 10 day BS, can my son in law still get his gun?

I was at a gun store today. They said if you started the background wait and had already paid for the firearm they would deliver it after even if Dimslee signs the Bill before the wait is over.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: MADMAX on April 19, 2023, 09:37:02 PM
Palmetto state armory new policy for Washington state

Washington State
We are monitoring HB 1240 Bill and how it will impact future sales. We will prioritize shipment for all Serialized Orders made before Midnight (EST), Thursday April 13th, 2023.

No rifles under 30 inches
No semi-auto rifle under 30 inches
No parts kits
No build kits
No rifle kits
No pistol kits
No complete uppers
No completed lowers
No stripped lowers
No essential kits
No AR or AK rifles and pistols
No threaded barrels
No threaded barrel Daggers or Rocks
No shrouds on a rifle or pistol
No forward pistol grips or vertical grips on a rifle or shotgun
No mags over 10 rounds for a rifle
No mags over 7 rounds for a shotgun
No rifles with thumbhole stock on a rifle
No flash suppressor or muzzle device on a rifle
No pistols with a second grip
No shotguns with a folding or telescoping stock
No shotguns with a grip that is detached from the stock
No shotguns with a pistol grip
No shotguns with a thumbhole stock
No shotgun magazine more than 7 rounds
No shotguns with a revolving cylinder
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 19, 2023, 09:50:19 PM
Rifles with muzzle breaks will now be assault weapons. Insanity.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 19, 2023, 11:29:34 PM
Rifles with muzzle breaks will now be assault weapons. Insanity.

Not quite. Only if they have a detachable magazine. Your everyday bolt action hunting rifle with a muzzle brake is still legal to purchase.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 19, 2023, 11:37:44 PM
Rifles with muzzle breaks will now be assault weapons. Insanity.

Not quite. Only if they have a detachable magazine. Your everyday bolt action hunting rifle with a muzzle brake is still legal to purchase.

  :chuckle:

 You have to laugh at this! How many bolt action rifles have magazines, and what’s the difference, vs a drop out floor plate?….€#&¥ing liberals!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 19, 2023, 11:53:31 PM
Rifles with muzzle breaks will now be assault weapons. Insanity.

Not quite. Only if they have a detachable magazine. Your everyday bolt action hunting rifle with a muzzle brake is still legal to purchase.

  :chuckle:

 You have to laugh at this! How many bolt action rifles have magazines, and what’s the difference, vs a drop out floor plate?….€#&¥ing liberals!

Detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds I believe. Which is almost zero from the factory.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 19, 2023, 11:54:47 PM
A bolt action that has a 4 round detachable magazine and a muzzle brake will still be legal to buy.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 20, 2023, 12:01:48 AM
Now that I go and read it again it says semi auto rifles with a detachable magazine or an internal magazine capable of holding 10 or more rounds with a muzzle brake would be illegal.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 20, 2023, 12:09:00 AM
This is how dumb these people are. This.gun would not be illegal to buy with a 10 round magazine. No folding stock, no muzzle devise, no vertical grip and over 30 inches.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: tritt007 on April 20, 2023, 06:12:50 AM
I think the mini 14 is illegal also because it has a heat shield . Its further down in the bill past the parts about threaded barrels and stuff . Anyways these people suck and im hoping to see atleast an injunction thrown at this right after jay and sideshow bob have there little signing party today . Between this and the pro pedophile bill they passed this state is doomed .
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bustedoldman on April 20, 2023, 06:13:24 AM
Inslee signing it in today at 230 right?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 20, 2023, 06:20:55 AM
What if you paid for an AR last weekend and were  just waiting for the 10 day BS, can my son in law still get his gun?

I was at a gun store today. They said if you started the background wait and had already paid for the firearm they would deliver it after even if Dimslee signs the Bill before the wait is over.
Thats good to hear, I don't want to have to sell my son in law one of mine!!  lol    Love that moose in your avatar, my memory is bad but is there a story on that guy?? 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: goosehunter12 on April 20, 2023, 06:46:51 AM
For everyone that has invested time and put comments in Thank you, now we got to even group together even more!  Watching how this process went shows they don't lessen or care about people rights!   
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: nwwanderer on April 20, 2023, 07:15:02 AM
I assume the papers will be filed at 2:30.5 pm to start the push back process, let the $ wasting begin
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 20, 2023, 07:52:57 AM
What was the final say on suppressors ?


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Hasn't changed, no restriction. Unless you're buying a semi-auto, center fire rifle with a detachable magazine that comes with a suppressor on it from the factory. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on April 20, 2023, 08:17:29 AM



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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on April 20, 2023, 09:08:05 AM
Rifles with muzzle breaks will now be assault weapons. Insanity.

Not quite. Only if they have a detachable magazine. Your everyday bolt action hunting rifle with a muzzle brake is still legal to purchase.

  :chuckle:

 You have to laugh at this! How many bolt action rifles have magazines, and what’s the difference, vs a drop out floor plate?….€#&¥ing liberals!
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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: timberfaller on April 20, 2023, 10:18:32 AM
From the birthday boy himself!

“This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future”

Reincarnated into J. Inslee and Bob F.

Obviously they and their supporters failed at History 101!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 20, 2023, 10:45:06 AM
Rifles with muzzle breaks will now be assault weapons. Insanity.

Not quite. Only if they have a detachable magazine. Your everyday bolt action hunting rifle with a muzzle brake is still legal to purchase.
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Hi-Liter on April 20, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
Who or what group will be filing an injunction on this BS law?

Now is the time to stand up against Inslee and Bobby boy Ferguson. This state use to be great.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on April 20, 2023, 11:02:48 AM
Let’s see what the California judge does this after around 5 PM.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 20, 2023, 11:11:14 AM
Who or what group will be filing an injunction on this BS law?

Now is the time to stand up against Inslee and Bobby boy Ferguson. This state use to be great.
This guy has some information.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Hi-Liter on April 20, 2023, 11:16:14 AM
Who or what group will be filing an injunction on this BS law?

Now is the time to stand up against Inslee and Bobby boy Ferguson. This state use to be great.
This guy has some information.



Is there a donation page or somewhere to donate money to this group?

Great stuff. Tired of this state taking rights away.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hughjorgan on April 20, 2023, 12:07:43 PM
Who or what group will be filing an injunction on this BS law?

Now is the time to stand up against Inslee and Bobby boy Ferguson. This state use to be great.
This guy has some information.



Is there a donation page or somewhere to donate money to this group?

Great stuff. Tired of this state taking rights away.

https://silentmajorityfoundation.org/

Scroll down to find the donation button
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 20, 2023, 12:20:52 PM
This whole thing is..
A hot mess dumpster fire.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 20, 2023, 05:04:49 PM
This whole thing is..
A hot mess dumpster fire.
Speaking of Dumpster Fires. Here's Brandi Kruse blasting Pramila Payapal's rhetoric......


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=514546080696940
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bullcanyon on April 20, 2023, 07:45:44 PM
Did Dumbslee sign this today? I can't find any info.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jrebel on April 20, 2023, 07:47:28 PM
Did Dumbslee sign this today? I can't find any info.

Not that I have seen and it the local news made it sounds as if he was waiting for a few other bills to hit his desk first.   If this is the case, I imagine it will be by the end of the week at the latest. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 20, 2023, 08:17:52 PM
Screw them.
Got my new upper today.
Gonna do some hunting with it this year.
Since my assault rifle also identified itself as a sporting rifle.
Might even color my bullets rainbow color .
Who knows. :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 21, 2023, 10:57:35 AM
They just put it on his desk about 30 minutes ago
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: meathunter on April 21, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
Bummer I was planning on picking up a lower tomorrow  :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Bob33 on April 21, 2023, 12:06:51 PM
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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 21, 2023, 01:06:28 PM
Bummer I was planning on picking up a lower tomorrow  :bash:

I’d still go he hasn’t signed it yet and is not in the schedule yet
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 21, 2023, 01:15:22 PM
I don't see him signing such a big deal for the Dems on a Friday or weekend.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 21, 2023, 01:18:17 PM
I don't see him signing such a big deal for the Dems on a Friday or weekend.

Agreed
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 21, 2023, 01:22:52 PM
Rumor is he's combining it with a signing of 1143 (permit to purchase) and 5078 (industry liability), might do a special ceremony. Heck, some people think he's waiting for a mass shooting to occur somewhere in the US and then will sign them all in a grand statement ceremony.... :bash:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 21, 2023, 01:28:10 PM
As crazy as some might think that last paragraph is I wouldn’t doubt for a minute he’s waiting for that
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jstone on April 21, 2023, 03:55:32 PM
What a TOOL
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: passman65 on April 25, 2023, 05:17:51 AM
Rumor is that Jaydolf Insleeze will sign all three bills at 10:00am today
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 06:18:54 AM
yup, thanks a lot to our friends on here,  and all the others that put people like inslee in office, you happier now? You see your kids futures in good hands??
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 25, 2023, 06:54:55 AM
"our" friends on here. Maybe yours not mine.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: passman65 on April 25, 2023, 07:10:40 AM
 :yeah:  :yeah:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on April 25, 2023, 07:47:26 AM
King inslee can get bent.
I'm having fun with my new toys.
Hope this bill gets him booted out.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2023, 07:52:09 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 08:03:26 AM
"our" friends on here. Maybe yours not mine.
you are correct, I should have phrased it differently!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: elkrack on April 25, 2023, 08:04:02 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.

Good luck accomplishing that
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2023, 08:23:52 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.

Good luck accomplishing that

We only need 5 seats for the majority in the senate and a lot of people are becoming disenfranchised by the Ds in this state. Remember that senate seats are not determined by population, but by legislative district. And King Insley is hurting a lot of people, talking about outlawing natural gas and adding the $0.38 carbon tax to gasoline, banning firearms while crime is still skyrocketing.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: elkrack on April 25, 2023, 08:27:35 AM
Yeah I agree 100% but I don’t believe this states voting is legitimate.  :twocents:
Haven’t had any trust in it since 2004
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Post by: boneaddict on April 25, 2023, 08:30:38 AM
was it the 2nd or 3rd recount that tipped you off.  :bash:
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Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2023, 08:49:38 AM
Yeah I agree 100% but I don’t believe this states voting is legitimate.  :twocents:
Haven’t had any trust in it since 2004
The answer isn't to stop voting or having conversations with people about how they think things are going.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 08:50:07 AM
Yeah I agree 100% but I don’t believe this states voting is legitimate.  :twocents:
Haven’t had any trust in it since 2004
:yeah: 100%
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 08:50:34 AM
was it the 2nd or 3rd recount that tipped you off.  :bash:
:yeah: 1000%
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Post by: Igor on April 25, 2023, 08:50:46 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.

Good luck accomplishing that

We only need 5 seats for the majority in the senate and a lot of people are becoming disenfranchised by the Ds in this state. Remember that senate seats are not determined by population, but by legislative district. And King Insley is hurting a lot of people, talking about outlawing natural gas and adding the $0.38 carbon tax to gasoline, banning firearms while crime is still skyrocketing.

I would argue that many voters in this state suffer from RDS (Republican Derangement Syndrome).  The press takes every opportunity to put anyone who is not a liberal 'D' in a bad light, with the result being what we now have in Olympia.
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Post by: jstone on April 25, 2023, 08:52:25 AM
 :yeah:
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 08:53:00 AM
Yeah I agree 100% but I don’t believe this states voting is legitimate.  :twocents:
Haven’t had any trust in it since 2004
The answer isn't to stop voting or having conversations with people about how they think things are going.
you have tons of wisdom pianoman, I’m with you 100% BUT, there has been plenty of reasons to change minds and yet inslee won another term still.  The dems just don’t give a rats azz what happens, they just continue to vote deaf, dumb and blindly. 
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Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2023, 09:13:35 AM
I'm certainly going to do what I can to talk to people about the direction this state is going and how to help reverse it. There are all kinds of reasons I should just quit. I'm not going to.
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Post by: bigtex on April 25, 2023, 09:50:59 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.
Don't even need both, just need one or the other. Let's face it, an R isn't gonna be governor in WA. The best we can hope for is an R majority in the state Senate.

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Post by: huntnphool on April 25, 2023, 10:59:35 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.

 Too late in this state. Until the libs that vote these fascists into office become victims of their own ideology, and suffer the consequences off their vote, nothing will change. :twocents:
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Post by: Skillet on April 25, 2023, 11:01:26 AM
Well folks, it's signed.

Don't you feel safer, all of the sudden?
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Post by: Cougartail on April 25, 2023, 11:07:01 AM
Well folks, it's signed.

Don't you feel safer, all of the sudden?

I hope the Supreme Court makes us unsafe again.
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Post by: Griiz on April 25, 2023, 11:23:51 AM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.

 Too late in this state. Until the libs that vote these fascists into office become victims of their own ideology, and suffer the consequences off their vote, nothing will change. :twocents:

I worry by the time that happens, the government will have so much control there won't be any going back with voting and peaceful means.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 25, 2023, 12:26:50 PM
I find it ironic that legislature could do this to make us safer but not be able to address the expiring drug posession law… ban gins and allow possession and use of drugs.  :bash:
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Post by: 92xj on April 25, 2023, 12:37:56 PM
I find it ironic that legislature could do this to make us safer but not be able to address the expiring drug posession law… ban gins and allow possession and use of drugs.  :bash:

If they’re banning gins, it better only be dry fly.  That stuff taste like crap in my gun and tonics!
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Post by: pickardjw on April 25, 2023, 01:10:42 PM
I find it ironic that legislature could do this to make us safer but not be able to address the expiring drug posession law… ban gins and allow possession and use of drugs.  :bash:

If they’re banning gins, it better only be dry fly.  That stuff taste like crap in my gun and tonics!

Time to fire up the backwoods stills boys!!

Pretty infuriating to read comments on liberal forums praising this. I'm gonna be useless the rest of the day at work...
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 01:19:27 PM
After the past couple days, our liberal members have to wear bibs to catch all that drool!!   MOM, MORE MEATLOAF, NOW!!!!   
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: actionshooter on April 25, 2023, 05:35:20 PM
We need to take back the senate and the governorship or this will never stop.

 Too late in this state. Until the libs that vote these fascists into office become victims of their own ideology, and suffer the consequences off their vote, nothing will change. :twocents:

I think a lot of the left has already been hurt by their own ideology but have such severe tunnelvision that they don't even realize it...
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Post by: fishngamereaper on April 25, 2023, 05:52:12 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/saf-sues-washington-state-over-black-rifle-ban/


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Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2023, 06:22:48 PM
I heard that suppressors were also banned?
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Post by: BUTTER on April 25, 2023, 06:25:05 PM
Donate options??????
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Post by: passman65 on April 25, 2023, 06:26:46 PM
I heard that suppressors were also banned?
I heard  that virgins were illegal also!
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Post by: time2hunt on April 25, 2023, 07:55:45 PM
I heard that suppressors were also banned?
It was in the first draft and for some reason no one has been able to answer this question


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Post by: Not selected on April 25, 2023, 07:57:30 PM
Would any law enforcement officer even try to enforce this? Say if they got reports that someone was still building, selling or buying these guns?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: BUTTER on April 25, 2023, 07:57:47 PM
Suppressors are not banned currently unless your intention is to buy it and put it on a Semi Auto Assault rifle. Otherwise.....Let's donate to help fight this political Trap
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Post by: bearpaw on April 26, 2023, 07:21:41 AM
Now that it's been signed into law, are there any lawsuits brewing yet to overturn this?
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Post by: pickardjw on April 26, 2023, 07:27:12 AM
I heard that suppressors were also banned?
It was in the first draft and for some reason no one has been able to answer this question

 :dunno:

What was the final say on suppressors ?


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Hasn't changed, no restriction. Unless you're buying a semi-auto, center fire rifle with a detachable magazine that comes with a suppressor on it from the factory.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2023, 07:27:29 AM
Now that it's been signed into law, are there any lawsuits brewing yet to overturn this?
7 minutes after it was signed a group filed a lawsuit
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2023, 07:29:11 AM
I heard that suppressors were also banned?
It was in the first draft and for some reason no one has been able to answer this question

 :dunno:

What was the final say on suppressors ?


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Hasn't changed, no restriction. Unless you're buying a semi-auto, center fire rifle with a detachable magazine that comes with a suppressor on it from the factory.
Talked with Dreadi on here who sells guns and suppressors last night, no ban yet on surpressors
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Post by: baker5150 on April 26, 2023, 07:56:10 AM
Now that it's been signed into law, are there any lawsuits brewing yet to overturn this?
7 minutes after it was signed a group filed a lawsuit

https://www.saf.org/second-amendment-foundation-sues-washington-over-semi-auto-ban/
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Post by: hughjorgan on April 26, 2023, 08:25:52 AM
Now that it's been signed into law, are there any lawsuits brewing yet to overturn this?
7 minutes after it was signed a group filed a lawsuit

https://www.saf.org/second-amendment-foundation-sues-washington-over-semi-auto-ban/

FPC and SAF filed in federal court while in western Washington while the silent majority foundation based out of the tri cities filed in state court in grant county. The silent majority foundation were successful in getting the injunction put in place in Oregons gun control law.
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Post by: bornhunter on April 26, 2023, 08:27:22 AM
Would any law enforcement officer even try to enforce this? Say if they got reports that someone was still building, selling or buying these guns?

A buddy of mine builds semi autos. BATF visited him twice long before this ban. No violations found either time.
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Post by: time2hunt on April 26, 2023, 08:27:49 AM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2023, 08:30:29 AM
Would any law enforcement officer even try to enforce this? Say if they got reports that someone was still building, selling or buying these guns?
they are training the future law enforcement officers to be just those ones that will enforce these draconian laws. They want the older conservative, constitution loving officers out, and it’s working.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bornhunter on April 26, 2023, 08:31:54 AM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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 :yeah:
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Post by: pickardjw on April 26, 2023, 08:40:40 AM
Kirk included a facetime clip with the Silent Majority Foundation guys who were at the Grant county courthouse on his video last night. They filed for an emergency injunction that would apply to all counties in the State. Said they expect a ruling on the injunction early next week at the latest.
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Post by: bigtex on April 26, 2023, 10:25:48 AM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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So was the Kittitas County Prosecutor and Snohomish County Sheriff.

Common tactic is to sue everyone, it'll eventually get dwindled down to the "State of Washington" and not individuals.

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 26, 2023, 11:00:04 AM
I heard that suppressors were also banned?
It was in the first draft and for some reason no one has been able to answer this question

 :dunno:

What was the final say on suppressors ?


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Hasn't changed, no restriction. Unless you're buying a semi-auto, center fire rifle with a detachable magazine that comes with a suppressor on it from the factory.
Talked with Dreadi on here who sells guns and suppressors last night, no ban yet on surpressors
Suppressors alone no ban but and this part I don’t know how they will be able to tell if you’re puting it on a semi auto and afraid they will just ban them outright because of that
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Post by: fishngamereaper on April 26, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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I don't know all the plaintiff's but it's possible they named their local authority figures.
One thing that stands out though is half the defendants are very pro constitution, understand the oath they took, and have been very outspoken about where they stand. Both at  local levels and broader through the WASPC platform. Clay is one of them.
The other half has forgotten their oath..and is folding to whatever the bottom feeders in Olympia tell them to do as well as local leftist reps....
Makes sense to include both sides and get guys like Clay to speak as to why he's upholding his oath and get a few of those others to explain why they are not... :twocents:

Not that any of them will ever see a day in court. West coast judicial system is to far left.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 26, 2023, 11:49:51 AM
Aero has filed a suit as well

https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/the-hangar/aero-precision-files-lawsuit-against-washington-assault-weapons-ban/
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Post by: 2MANY on April 26, 2023, 12:08:09 PM

It's really not Inslee's fault.

He thought a magazine contained the pictures of nude men.
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Post by: meathunter on April 26, 2023, 02:18:01 PM

It's really not Inslee's fault.

He thought a magazine contained the pictures of nude men.

 :chuckle:

NRA is on board as they should be.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-sues-democrat-governor-washington-states-new-blatantly-unconstitutional-gun-ban
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Post by: Hi-Liter on April 26, 2023, 02:19:17 PM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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So was the Kittitas County Prosecutor and Snohomish County Sheriff.

Common tactic is to sue everyone, it'll eventually get dwindled down to the "State of Washington" and not individuals.

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It is to limit the enforcement power of the law. From the top to the bottom
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Hi-Liter on April 26, 2023, 02:22:31 PM
I really think that the judge in either fed court or state will issue the injunction in favor of the Plaintiffs. If so, the law is stayed.  :twocents:
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Post by: timberghost72 on April 26, 2023, 02:25:26 PM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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So was the Kittitas County Prosecutor and Snohomish County Sheriff.

Common tactic is to sue everyone, it'll eventually get dwindled down to the "State of Washington" and not individuals.

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I saw the same thing per the Snohomish County Sheriff then noticed the last name was spelled different on the filing (Fortnoy vs Fortney). Any chance it is a different person then the Sheriff? I always thought Sheriff Fortney was pro 2A.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Hi-Liter on April 26, 2023, 02:28:06 PM
I’m curious why kittitas county sheriff Clayton Meyers was named in lawsuit.


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So was the Kittitas County Prosecutor and Snohomish County Sheriff.

Common tactic is to sue everyone, it'll eventually get dwindled down to the "State of Washington" and not individuals.

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I saw the same thing per the Snohomish County Sheriff then noticed the last name was spelled different on the filing (Fortnoy vs Fortney). Any chance it is a different person then the Sheriff? I always thought Sheriff Fortney was pro 2A.

Scribner error most likely.

The attorney was smart to bring in the sheriffs regardless of their position on 2A. Because sheriffs are elected officials and the state Gov & AG have no say job.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Machias on April 26, 2023, 02:47:03 PM
Someone brought up a point to me today that I had not considered.  Military men and women PCS'ing into the state will not be allowed to bring their weapons with them.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Platensek-po on April 26, 2023, 03:23:53 PM
Someone brought up a point to me today that I had not considered.  Military men and women PCS'ing into the state will not be allowed to bring their weapons with them.

I could be wrong but I thought there was exceptions for active military and Leo…
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Post by: Special T on April 26, 2023, 03:34:37 PM
Someone brought up a point to me today that I had not considered.  Military men and women PCS'ing into the state will not be allowed to bring their weapons with them.

I could be wrong but I thought there was exceptions for active military and Leo…
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Pretty sure the republicans tried to amend the law to allow that. Think I saw JT Wilcox say something about it.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 26, 2023, 03:41:01 PM
Someone brought up a point to me today that I had not considered.  Military men and women PCS'ing into the state will not be allowed to bring their weapons with them.

I could be wrong but I thought there was exceptions for active military and Leo…
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Pretty sure the republicans tried to amend the law to allow that. Think I saw JT Wilcox say something about it.
I believe that was an amendment that passed but hopefully it is a mute point because the courts will shut it down. 

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 26, 2023, 03:52:46 PM
The military exemption amendment (S2933.1) was adopted by the Senate but when the House rejected the Senate's amendments, it looks like only the 90 day inventory sell off period amendment (S3183.3) was kept.

Not sure exactly how the record documents on the bill's page show that but if you look at the Senate's engrossed bill, there is a section (f) for the military exemption that is gone in the final version. 
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Post by: actionshooter on April 26, 2023, 08:33:30 PM
Donate options??????

Here is the gu-fund-me for donations... Dan the organizer is one of the Plaintiffs in the 1st suit.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/wa-civil-rights-association-outreach-education?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_content=undefined&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer&utm_term=undefined
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2023, 08:59:06 PM
The dems took out the military option, Friggon azz hats.  Our own military can’t bring their AR’s home with them if they live here.  Hey libs, you proud as peacocks or what??
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 27, 2023, 01:51:02 AM
 Isn’t it interesting that the huntwa libs have gone silent on this thread, like they think nobody knows who they are! :rolleyes:
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Post by: Scruffy on April 27, 2023, 04:26:16 AM
Hmm, All of us that were in the military took an oath, "To defend the Constitution of the U.S. against all enemies foreign and domestic"  It seems clear to me our treasonous Governor and Attorney General are clear enemies of the Constitution.  Without inciting violence, I am asking why we are sitting back and letting someone erode our rights?  Why are we not surrounding the Capitol with pitchforks demanding their removal along with anyone that voted for this unconstitutional bill?  We are supposed to stand up for our rights not let someone take them away and say Oh Darn, I miss those days...... :bash: :bash:  Going to court to have the law removed costs us tax payers money and wasted time for something that should not be occurring.  If these elected officials were held accountable they would think twice about what they are doing.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 27, 2023, 05:50:25 AM
Isn’t it interesting that the huntwa libs have gone silent on this thread, like they think nobody knows who they are! :rolleyes:
You can’t be a Lib and be a hunter, no one is that dumb are they?   
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Post by: jackelope on April 27, 2023, 08:00:13 AM
Rob McKenna on Kiro this morning says the law has multiple vulnerabilities and won't stand up to challenge. Then he said it would likely take 2-3 years to sort out.

Also the National Shooting Sports Foundation has filed a lawsuit.
https://www.nssf.org/articles/nssf-condemns-washington-state-gun-ban/
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Gettin Birdie on April 27, 2023, 08:14:15 AM
Hmm, All of us that were in the military took an oath, "To defend the Constitution of the U.S. against all enemies foreign and domestic"  It seems clear to me our treasonous Governor and Attorney General are clear enemies of the Constitution.  Without inciting violence, I am asking why we are sitting back and letting someone erode our rights?  Why are we not surrounding the Capitol with pitchforks demanding their removal along with anyone that voted for this unconstitutional bill?  We are supposed to stand up for our rights not let someone take them away and say Oh Darn, I miss those days...... :bash: :bash:  Going to court to have the law removed costs us tax payers money and wasted time for something that should not be occurring.  If these elected officials were held accountable they would think twice about what they are doing.

This is all correct.  Problem lies with media that is owned by lib scum.  They will frame any normal protest defending our constitution as an 'insurrection' or whatever and the one's by the trans mafia are always 'peaceful', or whatever key word(s) that make them seem like saints. 
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Post by: hughjorgan on April 27, 2023, 08:14:23 AM
Hopefully one of the lawsuits is successful with an injunction. I’m thinking the silent majority suit filed in ephrata has a good shot. It’s the same group that successfully was able to get an injunction in Oregon on their garbage legislation.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: jackelope on April 27, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Isn’t it interesting that the huntwa libs have gone silent on this thread, like they think nobody knows who they are! :rolleyes:
You can’t be a Lib and be a hunter, no one is that dumb are they?   

Uhhh....
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on April 27, 2023, 08:47:07 AM
Rob McKenna on Kiro this morning says the law has multiple vulnerabilities and won't stand up to challenge. Then he said it would likely take 2-3 years to sort out.

Also the National Shooting Sports Foundation has filed a lawsuit.
https://www.nssf.org/articles/nssf-condemns-washington-state-gun-ban/

Inslee and a few other blue states are raising NRA up from the dead....
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2023, 09:29:01 AM
Isn’t it interesting that the huntwa libs have gone silent on this thread, like they think nobody knows who they are! :rolleyes:
You can’t be a Lib and be a hunter, no one is that dumb are they?

Remember, nobody wants your guns!  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2023, 09:39:07 AM
Rob McKenna on Kiro this morning says the law has multiple vulnerabilities and won't stand up to challenge. Then he said it would likely take 2-3 years to sort out.

Also the National Shooting Sports Foundation has filed a lawsuit.
https://www.nssf.org/articles/nssf-condemns-washington-state-gun-ban/

Inslee and a few other blue states are raising NRA up from the dead....

 :yeah:  Some people get upset at the NRA because Lapierre makes too much money, I would argue that he has done far more for preserving all our rights in America than the professional sports players getting 20M to 50M a year!  :twocents:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Hi-Liter on April 27, 2023, 10:45:24 AM
I practice law in Sno. Co. This law is just flat beyond out of control by the govt. Scott Brumback is a lawyer in Yakima he led the charge as the Plaintiff v. Ferguson in the Yakima case (ban of 30 rd mags etc) that is pending in Yakima County. I know him briefly, he is a bull dog.

What I can say is this, we need to have more Plaintiffs, being individuals, arms companies, shooting sports company, gun ranges etc. file lawsuits in every county in this state, I am not joking. The only way to bring Bob Ferguson to his knees is attrition. He is banking on Plaintiffs will fold and a friendly westside judiciary. Friendly by that a judge will slice out a portion of the law, but not fully injunct it. Bob has looked at the risk, he knows he will lose some of it, but not all of it. But we need to stand up collectively and say enough is enough. File more lawsuits!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 27, 2023, 10:59:43 AM
So there are lawsuits by:

Silent Majority Foundation (Guardian v Inslee, State Court, requesting emergency temp injunction)

Firearm Policy Coalition (Hartford v Ferguson, W. Wa Fed District Court)

Aero Precision, NRA, NSFF (Banta v Ferguson, E. Wa Fed District Court)

There may be some other plaintiffs associated with these that I'm missing.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Hi-Liter on April 27, 2023, 12:33:19 PM
I will file a lawsuit in Sno. Co or Skagit Co.

I need some Plaintiffs who are law abiding citizens, Armory, gun store, gun range etc. 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2023, 12:38:32 PM
I will file a lawsuit in Sno. Co or Skagit Co.

I need some Plaintiffs who are law abiding citizens, Armory, gun store, gun range etc.

I would talk to Skagit ARMS.  They are a huge local store and I'm certain this will hit them hard
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 27, 2023, 01:08:35 PM
Skagit Arms was my first thought as well.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2023, 02:14:10 PM
Skagit Arms was my first thought as well.

I know they sold a ton of guns, and I know they got some of my money... so... I think they are a good candidate. Plus they are family owned which means they may be receptive.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 27, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
I'm sure Raimier Arms is doing something also.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2023, 02:56:39 PM
I was listening to some one tray that said gun shops should make sure lawsuits are filed in every rural county in Wa. Something about flooding the system and making it harder for Verges on to fight back. Could you imagine lawsuits in 30 of the 39 counties?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2023, 02:59:00 PM
I'm sure Raimier Arms is doing something also.

Are there any 2nd Amend leaning courts in Washington?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
I'm sure Raimier Arms is doing something also.

Are there any 2nd Amend leaning courts in Washington?

This is why rural counties should be flooded with lawsuits. It's the main way to tilt in our favor and not let them play with a home feild advantage.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 27, 2023, 03:10:02 PM
I think some were already filed in Grant County.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 27, 2023, 03:19:48 PM
Correct, Guardian v Inslee is filed in Grant county superior court.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on April 27, 2023, 04:00:19 PM
not a lawyer...

but in cases like these with many different filings doesn't the supreme court of the state, or perhaps the 9th dist, scoop them all up and address them all at once?



Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: follow maggie on April 27, 2023, 04:33:43 PM
not a lawyer...

but in cases like these with many different filings doesn't the supreme court of the state, or perhaps the 9th dist, scoop them all up and address them all at once?

They usually do
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnfmly on April 27, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
not a lawyer...

but in cases like these with many different filings doesn't the supreme court of the state, or perhaps the 9th dist, scoop them all up and address them all at once?

They usually do
2 if these are aimed towards federal and 1 is aimed towards state
They are attacking this law from different angles

So any of these could get an injunction
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Cougartail on April 27, 2023, 06:41:27 PM
I will file a lawsuit in Sno. Co or Skagit Co.

I need some Plaintiffs who are law abiding citizens, Armory, gun store, gun range etc.

Good on you! Thank you!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 27, 2023, 07:58:07 PM
Banta v Ferguson has been assigned to the same judge in Eastern Washington...the same judge that was supposed to rule on the magazine ban in December. Judge Mary Dimke, appointed by Biden in 2021...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 27, 2023, 09:43:30 PM
Banta v Ferguson has been assigned to the same judge in Eastern Washington...the same judge that was supposed to rule on the magazine ban in December. Judge Mary Dimke, appointed by Biden in 2021...

Of course it has. I wouldn't expect anything less from these folks.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: ghosthunter on April 27, 2023, 10:39:09 PM
I will file a lawsuit in Sno. Co or Skagit Co.

I need some Plaintiffs who are law abiding citizens, Armory, gun store, gun range etc.


Saw on Facebook



Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Machias on April 28, 2023, 12:24:30 PM
I could be wrong, so someone feel free to correct me, but even when they were looking to exclude the Military and Law Enforcement, this does not include those individual's privately owned weapons.  I believe all it was/is going to exclude is their duty weapons.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on April 28, 2023, 12:33:46 PM
Not quite. There is still an exemption for duty weapons for LEO and Military. The exemption was for military moving to WA state for their personal weapons.

NEW SECTION.  Sec. 3.  A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW
to read as follows:

(1) No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.

(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to any of the following:

(a) The manufacture, importation, distribution, offer for sale, or sale of an assault weapon by a licensed firearms manufacturer for the purposes of sale to any branch of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington, or to any law enforcement agency for use by that agency or its employees for law enforcement purposes, or to a person who does not reside in this state;

(b) The importation, distribution, offer for sale, or sale of an assault weapon by a dealer that is properly licensed under federal and state law for the purpose of sale to any branch of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington, or to a law enforcement agency in this state for use by that agency or its employees for law enforcement purposes;

...

(f) Any person on active military duty receiving orders to move to Washington state, or military retirees moving to Washington state.


So item (f) here was struck from the bill, item (b) is still in it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Machias on April 28, 2023, 12:57:21 PM
 :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on April 28, 2023, 05:17:58 PM
It appears a federal judge in Illinois has issued an injunction, which take precedence over another federal judge who refused to block it.

So as of now it appears these laws regarding semi-autos and 10 rd mags cannot be enforced, including Washington

It’s hard to keep up, I suspect this will be in SCOTUS pretty quickly
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: OutHouse on April 28, 2023, 05:26:05 PM
Banta v Ferguson has been assigned to the same judge in Eastern Washington...the same judge that was supposed to rule on the magazine ban in December. Judge Mary Dimke, appointed by Biden in 2021...

Judge Dimke used to be an Assistant United States Attorney in the Eastern District of Washington. She prosecuted federal crimes. Most likely very conservative as most federal prosecutors tend to be. Might not be bad for her to hear the case.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on April 28, 2023, 05:26:58 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-injunction-federal-judge/
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 28, 2023, 05:39:46 PM
Banta v Ferguson has been assigned to the same judge in Eastern Washington...the same judge that was supposed to rule on the magazine ban in December. Judge Mary Dimke, appointed by Biden in 2021...

Judge Dimke used to be an Assistant United States Attorney in the Eastern District of Washington. She prosecuted federal crimes. Most likely very conservative as most federal prosecutors tend to be. Might not be bad for her to hear the case.
You could be right. She appears to be slow walking the mag ban case…
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 28, 2023, 07:32:54 PM
It appears a federal judge in Illinois has issued an injunction, which take precedence over another federal judge who refused to block it.

So as of now it appears these laws regarding semi-autos and 10 rd mags cannot be enforced, including Washington

It’s hard to keep up, I suspect this will be in SCOTUS pretty quickly
Only applies to Illinois.

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on April 28, 2023, 09:45:34 PM
Thanks BT

We should get an injunction here soon too
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Cougartail on April 28, 2023, 10:13:15 PM
It appears a federal judge in Illinois has issued an injunction, which take precedence over another federal judge who refused to block it.

So as of now it appears these laws regarding semi-autos and 10 rd mags cannot be enforced, including Washington

It’s hard to keep up, I suspect this will be in SCOTUS pretty quickly
Only applies to Illinois.

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Actually this is huge for all states.  Remember the 14th Amendment?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bigtex on April 29, 2023, 07:44:20 AM
It appears a federal judge in Illinois has issued an injunction, which take precedence over another federal judge who refused to block it.

So as of now it appears these laws regarding semi-autos and 10 rd mags cannot be enforced, including Washington

It’s hard to keep up, I suspect this will be in SCOTUS pretty quickly
Only applies to Illinois.

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Actually this is huge for all states.  Remember the 14th Amendment?
Still only applies to Illinois.

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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: bearpaw on April 29, 2023, 09:39:44 AM
Banta v Ferguson has been assigned to the same judge in Eastern Washington...the same judge that was supposed to rule on the magazine ban in December. Judge Mary Dimke, appointed by Biden in 2021...

Judge Dimke used to be an Assistant United States Attorney in the Eastern District of Washington. She prosecuted federal crimes. Most likely very conservative as most federal prosecutors tend to be. Might not be bad for her to hear the case.

Why would Biden appoint her if she was very conservative?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 29, 2023, 11:19:54 PM
Isn’t it interesting that the huntwa libs have gone silent on this thread, like they think nobody knows who they are! :rolleyes:

 Crickets! :rolleyes:

 Yet they continue to show their lib stripes on the Bud Light, pro Biden, Tucker Carlson and other threads…believing nobody knows who they are! :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on April 29, 2023, 11:23:10 PM
 Thanks again huntwa “nobody is coming for your guns” libs!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Skillet on April 30, 2023, 10:05:51 AM
I think there's a lot of members on here, like myself, who don't subscribe to the "off topics / politics" thread for good reason.
I'm assuming that's where these threads you are citing live.  Can we keep the related mud slinging contained in there?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2023, 11:15:15 AM
I don’t know, I feel the mud is proudly worn by the “libs” on our site. They should be called out wherever they post when it comes to our rights being violated and they support those actions.  No mercy when it comes to our freedoms being ripped away. But, those are my two cents.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Skillet on April 30, 2023, 11:30:39 AM
I don’t know, I feel the mud is proudly worn by the “libs” on our site. They should be called out wherever they post when it comes to our rights being violated and they support those actions.  No mercy when it comes to our freedoms being ripped away. But, those are my two cents.

But as huntinphool has repeatedly pointed out, they aren't posting on this thread. What I'm pointing out is huntinphool dragging political topics/threads into the regular boards, and spoiling for a fight.

I'm not saying you, or he is wrong at all for wanting to have a discussion about cause and effect with the voting habits of some of our members, but this is the wrong board for that.  The political board is an "opt in" board for a reason.

As my exasperated mother once told her two rambunctious boys fighting over some thing - " I dont care what you do to each other - just take it outside!!"

An actual quote, I like to remind her of every once in a while  :chuckle:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on April 30, 2023, 11:46:25 AM
I always enjoy a good debate, but  any time or effort calling out "the silent libs" on this subject is wasted. Give some money and time to those you want elected that will make a difference
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2023, 03:51:46 PM
I guess at this point in time, I just see them as the enemy. I mean, how else is it?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on April 30, 2023, 04:52:48 PM
I guess at this point in time, I just see them as the enemy. I mean, how else is it?
It’s only one way.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on April 30, 2023, 08:18:57 PM
This isn't off topics or politics, even though that's how we got here in the first place. 

I can't hardly keep up with the gun laws myself, so let's keep it about this ban and where we are with it and what it means for us. 



Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 30, 2023, 08:22:52 PM
I don’t think I can stomach reading the whole “law”.
Can anyone tell me if it outright bans home made firearms?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: actionshooter on April 30, 2023, 09:03:50 PM
Donate options??????

Here is the gu-fund-me for donations... Dan the organizer is one of the Plaintiffs in the 1st suit.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/wa-civil-rights-association-outreach-education?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_content=undefined&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer&utm_term=undefined

Guys... the fundraising for lawsuits has been painfully slow... We can win, but it will take a long time (expensive)... please do what you can..
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on April 30, 2023, 10:20:28 PM
This is a good plan to stop school shootings.

Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 04, 2023, 12:28:53 PM
I got an email from a group called "Washington Gun Rights" asking for donations to help sue Inslee. Does anyone know if this is legit or a scam?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on May 04, 2023, 12:42:31 PM
I think donating directly to the orgs named as plaintiffs in the lawsuits is the best way to contribute. I wouldn't trust donating anywhere else personally.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: follow maggie on May 04, 2023, 05:19:03 PM
I got an email from a group called "Washington Gun Rights" asking for donations to help sue Inslee. Does anyone know if this is legit or a scam?

If you’ve never heard of them, it’s a scam
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2023, 05:57:34 PM
I don’t think I can stomach reading the whole “law”.
Can anyone tell me if it outright bans home made firearms?

Different law that required the serialization of home made weapons and having them "Registered" via FFL. That window has also closed I believe so any home made gun is illegal. 1st offence is some kind of misdemeanor and multiples are felonies I believe. Washington Gun Law on You Tube has a video on it
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on May 04, 2023, 06:13:33 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2023, 06:54:57 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers

I would love to see the documentation on that KF. I had not hear that.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on May 04, 2023, 06:58:37 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers

I would love to see the documentation on that KF. I had not hear that.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ban-guns-with-serial-numbers-removed-is-unconstitutional-us-judge-2022-10-13/#:~:text=The%20federal%20law%20in%20question,been%20transported%20across%20state%20lines.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2023, 07:18:02 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers

I would love to see the documentation on that KF. I had not hear that.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ban-guns-with-serial-numbers-removed-is-unconstitutional-us-judge-2022-10-13/#:~:text=The%20federal%20law%20in%20question,been%20transported%20across%20state%20lines.
Wow interesting
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on May 04, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers

I would love to see the documentation on that KF. I had not hear that.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ban-guns-with-serial-numbers-removed-is-unconstitutional-us-judge-2022-10-13/#:~:text=The%20federal%20law%20in%20question,been%20transported%20across%20state%20lines.
Wow interesting

The state can ban the sale of 80% lowers but if you have one and turn it into a usable lower they can't do anything about it. A private citizen is not subject to the serial law unless they try and sell them.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2023, 07:35:47 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers

I would love to see the documentation on that KF. I had not hear that.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ban-guns-with-serial-numbers-removed-is-unconstitutional-us-judge-2022-10-13/#:~:text=The%20federal%20law%20in%20question,been%20transported%20across%20state%20lines.
Wow interesting

The state can ban the sale of 80% lowers but if you have one and turn it into a usable lower they can't do anything about it. A private citizen is not subject to the serial law unless they try and sell them.

So this becomes a burden of proof issue?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on May 04, 2023, 08:18:34 PM
That linked article that KF provided and the question about homemade firearms are not related.


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Caseyd on May 04, 2023, 08:32:26 PM
I believe SCOTUS tossed that requirement to have serial numbers

I would love to see the documentation on that KF. I had not hear that.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ban-guns-with-serial-numbers-removed-is-unconstitutional-us-judge-2022-10-13/#:~:text=The%20federal%20law%20in%20question,been%20transported%20across%20state%20lines.
Wow interesting

The state can ban the sale of 80% lowers but if you have one and turn it into a usable lower they can't do anything about it. A private citizen is not subject to the serial law unless they try and sell them.

So this becomes a burden of proof issue?

It’s just an unsellable weapon because everything must go thru ffl.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KFhunter on May 04, 2023, 08:43:01 PM
It's convoluted law Inslee signed
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Cougartail on May 04, 2023, 09:02:25 PM
It's convoluted law Inslee signed

It's easier to create criminals out of your rivals with convoluted laws.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2023, 09:42:53 PM
That linked article that KF provided and the question about homemade firearms are not related.


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07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms

Please clarify and expand.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: highside74 on May 04, 2023, 10:03:43 PM
Some info

Gun Control Legislation and Homemade Guns
The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) requires, among other things, that persons "engaged in the business" of dealing in firearms be licensed by the federal government. This law made it illegal for an unlicensed person to make a firearm for sale or distribution.

A non-licensed person may make a firearm, provided it's not for sale and the maker is not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms. (18 U.S.C. § 922 (d) (2022).) Federal law imposes none of the purchase restrictions on non-licensed possessors that it does on those who need licenses, and as a result, the homemade gun owner need not undergo a background check, and the gun doesn't have to be registered unless a state law requires registration.

state governments and local municipalities (cities, towns, and unincorporated areas) can regulate them as long as the regulations don't conflict with federal law.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on May 04, 2023, 10:14:53 PM
That linked article that KF provided and the question about homemade firearms are not related.


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07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms

Please clarify and expand.
Ok. Just for you.

The article that KF posted is specific to being in possession of a firearm that had a serial number that has been removed. It does not answer any questions related to any WA state legislation that includeS firearms made by non licensees.


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http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2023, 10:34:27 PM
That linked article that KF provided and the question about homemade firearms are not related.


BLACK HAMMER ARMS
07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms

Please clarify and expand.
Ok. Just for you.

The article that KF posted is specific to being in possession of a firearm that had a serial number that has been removed. It does not answer any questions related to any WA state legislation that includeS firearms made by non licensees.


BLACK HAMMER ARMS
07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms

ok thank you. one of the things firearms related that is super important is the fact that certain things are legal or illegal but not "Proven in court" many of us including me have certain ideas bout the law but the legal justification and case precedence set is very different than my opinion. I actually dont want to go to jail as a test case in most situations... Certainly not in this S Show of a state!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: dreadi on May 04, 2023, 11:00:39 PM
That linked article that KF provided and the question about homemade firearms are not related.


BLACK HAMMER ARMS
07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms

Please clarify and expand.
Ok. Just for you.

The article that KF posted is specific to being in possession of a firearm that had a serial number that has been removed. It does not answer any questions related to any WA state legislation that includeS firearms made by non licensees.


BLACK HAMMER ARMS
07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms

ok thank you. one of the things firearms related that is super important is the fact that certain things are legal or illegal but not "Proven in court" many of us including me have certain ideas bout the law but the legal justification and case precedence set is very different than my opinion. I actually dont want to go to jail as a test case in most situations... Certainly not in this S Show of a state!
You’re welcome.


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07/02 NFA Dealer

http://www.blackhammerarms.com
http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms
https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: time2hunt on May 25, 2023, 02:52:48 PM
One good thing is I got notification my suppressor cleared background and it arrives today


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Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on May 25, 2023, 03:41:21 PM
Was out playing with my toy today.
AR 10 243.
1/8 twist
103 grain eldx
Just pounding the 8in plate at 250 yard all day.
I was without the kids,next time I'll make them run it out to 3 or 400 yards .
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Alchase on May 25, 2023, 04:11:34 PM
Was out playing with my toy today.
AR 10 243.
1/8 twist
103 grain eldx
Just pounding the 8in plate at 250 yard all day.
I was without the kids,next time I'll make them run it out to 3 or 400 yards .

Nice! Great caliber pick! Did you build it or buy it?

I always feel like a kid at Christmas when taking a new weapon to the range  :hello:
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 25, 2023, 04:43:18 PM
Hadn't budgeted for my 300 Blackout but picked it up just 3 week before signed.  Sighted in, but need to get it out to see what it can really do.  Less than 15 rounds thru it so far.
 
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on May 25, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
Was out playing with my toy today.
AR 10 243.
1/8 twist
103 grain eldx
Just pounding the 8in plate at 250 yard all day.
I was without the kids,next time I'll make them run it out to 3 or 400 yards .

Nice! Great caliber pick! Did you build it or buy it?

I always feel like a kid at Christmas when taking a new weapon to the range  :hello:
It's just a bear crk upper I put on an aero lower I already had.
Think it got to my door two week before the ban.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on May 25, 2023, 09:43:26 PM
Was out playing with my toy today.
AR 10 243.
1/8 twist
103 grain eldx
Just pounding the 8in plate at 250 yard all day.
I was without the kids,next time I'll make them run it out to 3 or 400 yards .

 Building a 6mm Creedmoor, have a few pieces left is all. This BS is slowing things down! >:(
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on May 25, 2023, 10:21:03 PM
Was out playing with my toy today.
AR 10 243.
1/8 twist
103 grain eldx
Just pounding the 8in plate at 250 yard all day.
I was without the kids,next time I'll make them run it out to 3 or 400 yards .

 Building a 6mm Creedmoor, have a few pieces left is all. This BS is slowing things down! >:(
Heck ya 6 creed be sweet.👍
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on May 26, 2023, 07:33:52 AM
Anyone had issues ordering parts or ammo online since 1240 or 5078 passed? Tons of vendors have stopped shipping to WA according to other forums. And it sounds like 5078 is cited pretty often as the reason.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: KNOPHISH on May 26, 2023, 07:54:06 AM
I don’t remember any ammo being on any bills, did I miss it or are they misinformed?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: swanderek on May 26, 2023, 08:01:04 AM
Yep
I could not buy a stock or AR grip
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 26, 2023, 08:03:58 AM
Anyone had issues ordering parts or ammo online since 1240 or 5078 passed? Tons of vendors have stopped shipping to WA according to other forums. And it sounds like 5078 is cited pretty often as the reason.

So is it any part that can go on an AR that is banned or only parts that are exclusive to AR's?? Those dust covers could be for 10 round pmags on a bolt rifle...
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on May 26, 2023, 08:57:27 AM
So is it any part that can go on an AR that is banned or only parts that are exclusive to AR's?? Those dust covers could be for 10 round pmags on a bolt rifle...

It's seems to be wildly different from vendor to vendor. Some are still shipping parts that could go on an AR, some won't ship anything remotely related to a firearm.

I don’t remember any ammo being on any bills, did I miss it or are they misinformed?

From some other posts I've seen, it's due to bill 5078 which basically gives Ferguson free reign to sue these vendors if they sell to someone in WA and some crime is committed with that item without the vendor taking "reasonable precaution". And since no one knows what that means they're just not selling to WA period.

(3) A firearm industry member shall not knowingly create, maintain, or contribute to a public nuisance in this state through the sale, manufacturing, distribution, importing, or marketing of a firearm industry product.

(4) A firearm industry member shall establish, implement, and enforce reasonable controls regarding its manufacture, sale, distribution, importing, use, and marketing of firearm industry products.

(5) A firearm industry member shall take reasonable precautions to ensure the firearm industry member does not sell or distribute a firearm industry product to a downstream distributor or retailer of firearm industry products that fails to establish and implement reasonable controls.

...

(10) Whenever it appears to the attorney general that a firearm industry member has engaged in or is engaging in conduct in violation of this section, the attorney general may commence an action to seek and obtain any remedies available for violations of this chapter, and may also seek and obtain punitive damages up to an amount not to exceed three times the actual damages sustained by the state, reasonable attorneys' fees, and costs of the action.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on May 26, 2023, 02:21:21 PM
So is it any part that can go on an AR that is banned or only parts that are exclusive to AR's?? Those dust covers could be for 10 round pmags on a bolt rifle...

It's seems to be wildly different from vendor to vendor. Some are still shipping parts that could go on an AR, some won't ship anything remotely related to a firearm.

I don’t remember any ammo being on any bills, did I miss it or are they misinformed?

From some other posts I've seen, it's due to bill 5078 which basically gives Ferguson free reign to sue these vendors if they sell to someone in WA and some crime is committed with that item without the vendor taking "reasonable precaution". And since no one knows what that means they're just not selling to WA period.

(3) A firearm industry member shall not knowingly create, maintain, or contribute to a public nuisance in this state through the sale, manufacturing, distribution, importing, or marketing of a firearm industry product.

(4) A firearm industry member shall establish, implement, and enforce reasonable controls regarding its manufacture, sale, distribution, importing, use, and marketing of firearm industry products.

(5) A firearm industry member shall take reasonable precautions to ensure the firearm industry member does not sell or distribute a firearm industry product to a downstream distributor or retailer of firearm industry products that fails to establish and implement reasonable controls.

...

(10) Whenever it appears to the attorney general that a firearm industry member has engaged in or is engaging in conduct in violation of this section, the attorney general may commence an action to seek and obtain any remedies available for violations of this chapter, and may also seek and obtain punitive damages up to an amount not to exceed three times the actual damages sustained by the state, reasonable attorneys' fees, and costs of the action.

Now you have to go to the DARK web. :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: pickardjw on May 26, 2023, 07:26:17 PM
Need a P.O. Box in Idaho  :chuckle:

Heard a couple times of vendors cancelling orders for simply having a billing address in WA but shipping to another state.

Just further proof that when they go after ammo directly we are really screwed.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: hunter399 on May 26, 2023, 07:28:07 PM
Need a P.O. Box in Idaho  :chuckle:

Heard a couple times of vendors cancelling orders for simply having a billing address in WA but shipping to another state.

Just further proof that when they go after ammo directly we are really screwed.
I agree we are screwed.
I'm happy with past purchasing.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 26, 2023, 07:55:18 PM
 :yeah:  No problem shipping the firearm before the ban, without a magazine.  Billing address is the kicker.  Not sure how they plan on policing all the option the criminals use.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: HntnFsh on May 27, 2023, 06:29:00 AM
:yeah:  Not sure how they plan on policing all the option the criminals use.

They never had any intentions of doing that!
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 27, 2023, 10:01:45 AM
They're empowering criminals...on purpose. They want a weak society which can be manipulated into giving them more power. They show it by not protecting our children at school. Each school shooting is one more opportunity. Each mass shooting is one more opportunity. They weaken the ability of police to do their jobs. They let violent criminals go back on the streets with little or no bail. Figure it out.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on June 06, 2023, 06:10:48 PM
88 year old Reagan appointed judge just denied one of the injunctions. Kirk's video below has more excerpts from the judge's opinion...watch if you'd like to be extra pissed off at this judge's logic...apparently, "dangerous AND unusual" is now usurped by "exceptionally dangerous"  :bash:

https://komonews.com/news/local/washington-state-gun-law-assault-rifle-ban-governor-jay-inslee-mass-shooting-restrictions-judge-rejects-attempt-block-new-weapon-ban-ar-ak-style-tacoma-robert-bryan-legal-constitutional-rights-owners-reform#

“Considering the exceptional dangerousness of these weapons, the public interest in their regulation by the State outweighs the Plaintiffs’ desire to purchase more assault weapons,” U.S. District Judge Robert Bryan in Tacoma. “In light of recent mass deaths caused by assailants using assault weapons, it is appropriate for governmental bodies to find ways to protect the public from dangerous weapons, within the limits of the Second Amendment.”

Bryan found that the state's ban does fit in with the nation's long history of regulating dangerous weapons, including colonial-era bans on “trap guns” that could be fired without the owner present. Other historical targets of regulation have included long-bladed Bowie knives and the Thompson submachine gun, or Tommy gun, popular with gangsters in the years after World War I.

WA Gun Law video on it.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Cougartail on June 06, 2023, 09:20:21 PM
Flys in the face of the Burien decision.

This will make SCOTUS happy..
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: huntnphool on June 06, 2023, 11:40:22 PM
Flys in the face of the Burien decision.

This will make SCOTUS happy..

 +1
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 08, 2023, 06:03:16 AM
Next step: "monitoring suspicious 3D printer shipments".
https://www.kuow.org/stories/teens-are-using-3d-printers-to-make-guns-in-seattle-area
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: GWP on June 08, 2023, 10:18:22 AM
They're empowering criminals...on purpose. They want a weak society which can be manipulated into giving them more power. They show it by not protecting our children at school. Each school shooting is one more opportunity. Each mass shooting is one more opportunity. They weaken the ability of police to do their jobs. They let violent criminals go back on the streets with little or no bail. Figure it out.

You left out the part where they are going after law abiding citizens that use a gun to defend life or property.
It is crazy that criminals are being released or not even detained, yet a person using a gun 'legally' gets jail time.
 
More of the 'demoralizing' that the Russian spy talked about in 1985 on how the US will be brought down. When you go back and listen to what he said, it reads like a historical road map of what has happened in the US.
Unfortunately, it is coming true. I went back and watched it again, and my heart sank.
The US will only remembered as being a very short lived 'empire' that failed.

While we still have it very good, it can change for the worse quickly as people become more and more accustomed to obedience and relying on the Gov't for everything. AND the training of the young so they think it is 'awesome'.
Think how fast the Covid had business shut down and 'the sheeple' huddled in their houses, looking out their windows while the 'powers that be' ran around herding up the stragglers.

I will enjoy what freedoms I have while they last, but I have no illusion about what is coming.
I know enough history to understand what happens next.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Yakirack on June 14, 2023, 10:57:43 AM
I purchased a rifle prior to the Ban, submitted my background paperwork, but background check clearance wasn't completed until after the Governor signed the bill. My FFL will not release the rifle even though my check is clear and was submitted prior to the law change. Now the seller doesn't want to refund money and FFL will not give me the rifle. Has this happened to anyone else?
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Brotherman on June 14, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
I know of someone that has two rifles and they won't release them, and can't send them back. He is also getting charged $5.00 per day per weapon for storage. BS!!!!!!!!   Same Scenario
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Lucky1 on June 14, 2023, 12:02:23 PM
I purchased a rifle prior to the Ban, submitted my background paperwork, but background check clearance wasn't completed until after the Governor signed the bill. My FFL will not release the rifle even though my check is clear and was submitted prior to the law change. Now the seller doesn't want to refund money and FFL will not give me the rifle. Has this happened to anyone else?
Have you contacted WA gun law about your issue? They are looking for a class of plaintiffs for a lawsuit that fit your description.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Yakirack on June 14, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
I purchased a rifle prior to the Ban, submitted my background paperwork, but background check clearance wasn't completed until after the Governor signed the bill. My FFL will not release the rifle even though my check is clear and was submitted prior to the law change. Now the seller doesn't want to refund money and FFL will not give me the rifle. Has this happened to anyone else?
Have you contacted WA gun law about your issue? They are looking for a class of plaintiffs for a lawsuit that fit your description.

I just sent an email to Silent Majority Foundation. Waiting to hear back from them. Thanks, and your right- this fits my description exactly.
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Post by: Yakirack on June 14, 2023, 12:14:54 PM
I know of someone that has two rifles and they won't release them, and can't send them back. He is also getting charged $5.00 per day per weapon for storage. BS!!!!!!!!   Same Scenario

Wow, have them watch this Silent Majority video below, and email to be added to the list.

https://rumble.com/v2tszgw-call-to-action-hb1240-declarations-needed.html?fbclid=IwAR1MqIQtSq1tRf6geJLPYEz9HR-v2To66M3MGUqPoRlhloeVsf6akw8_90A
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Post by: pickardjw on June 14, 2023, 12:35:01 PM
Several FFL's posted their policy regarding this exact scenario. Assuming it's not one of them, I wouldn't be particularly happy if they didn't disclose their policy but accepted the transfer fee. Definitely contact WA Gun Law!
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Post by: Brotherman on June 14, 2023, 03:16:03 PM
Passed this info on! Thanks for the link!!
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Post by: Caseyd on June 20, 2023, 03:35:05 PM
Friend just returned from his Montana cabin. Since his primary residence is in Washington the shop he stopped at wouldn’t sell him anything.  As in with his Wa ID the store was not willing to sell him anything.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: Special T on June 20, 2023, 03:43:50 PM
Friend just returned from his Montana cabin. Since his primary residence is in Washington the shop he stopped at wouldn’t sell him anything.  As in with his Wa ID the store was not willing to sell him anything.

Gun? parts? Amo?
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Post by: jrebel on June 20, 2023, 09:36:35 PM
Friend just returned from his Montana cabin. Since his primary residence is in Washington the shop he stopped at wouldn’t sell him anything.  As in with his Wa ID the store was not willing to sell him anything.

Gun? parts? Amo?

This makes no sense.  What happens if I want to buy something for a friend that lives in Montana as I'm headed out to his place for a birthday???  I own property in Kansas as well as in WA so I can't purchase something in a state that it is otherwise completely legal to do so in??  If your buying something that does not require a license (like a gun)....why would the store even ask for a license.  If I were purchasing ammo and the store ask me for my ID, I would tell them to pack sand. 

I have heard Cabela's in Post Falls is asking for ID.....which again is dumb.  If you don't transport it back to WA, you are not breaking any laws and they should sell you what they would legally sell anyone else. 

If I confirm Cabelas is doing this....I will tear up my cabelas card and write them a letter saying I will never shop with them again. 
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Post by: Griiz on June 20, 2023, 10:21:09 PM
They're probably worried side kick Ferguson will come after them.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 20, 2023, 10:32:55 PM
Friend just returned from his Montana cabin. Since his primary residence is in Washington the shop he stopped at wouldn’t sell him anything.  As in with his Wa ID the store was not willing to sell him anything.

I've had no problems...um...well let's assume if I was going to buy "stuff" .... maybe on my trips to Idaho....you know... possibly.....if I was to....I wouldn't have any issues... :rolleyes: :chuckle:
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Post by: hughjorgan on June 21, 2023, 04:29:00 AM
Friend just returned from his Montana cabin. Since his primary residence is in Washington the shop he stopped at wouldn’t sell him anything.  As in with his Wa ID the store was not willing to sell him anything.

Gun? parts? Amo?

This makes no sense.  What happens if I want to buy something for a friend that lives in Montana as I'm headed out to his place for a birthday???  I own property in Kansas as well as in WA so I can't purchase something in a state that it is otherwise completely legal to do so in??  If your buying something that does not require a license (like a gun)....why would the store even ask for a license.  If I were purchasing ammo and the store ask me for my ID, I would tell them to pack sand. 

I have heard Cabela's in Post Falls is asking for ID.....which again is dumb.  If you don't transport it back to WA, you are not breaking any laws and they should sell you what they would legally sell anyone else. 

If I confirm Cabelas is doing this....I will tear up my cabelas card and write them a letter saying I will never shop with them again.

I’ve heard the same thing about the cabelas in post falls. Dumb move if it’s true
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Post by: Caseyd on June 21, 2023, 09:26:14 AM
Friend just returned from his Montana cabin. Since his primary residence is in Washington the shop he stopped at wouldn’t sell him anything.  As in with his Wa ID the store was not willing to sell him anything.

He said they had no problem selling him ammo or something clearly hunting related.


Gun? parts? Amo?

This makes no sense.  What happens if I want to buy something for a friend that lives in Montana as I'm headed out to his place for a birthday???  I own property in Kansas as well as in WA so I can't purchase something in a state that it is otherwise completely legal to do so in??  If your buying something that does not require a license (like a gun)....why would the store even ask for a license.  If I were purchasing ammo and the store ask me for my ID, I would tell them to pack sand. 

I have heard Cabela's in Post Falls is asking for ID.....which again is dumb.  If you don't transport it back to WA, you are not breaking any laws and they should sell you what they would legally sell anyone else. 

If I confirm Cabelas is doing this....I will tear up my cabelas card and write them a letter saying I will never shop with them again.
Title: Re: HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House
Post by: pickardjw on June 25, 2023, 08:08:23 PM
Ridiculous
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Post by: Mtnwalker on June 25, 2023, 08:13:33 PM
Ridiculous

Wow, I’d say so
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