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Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: bearpaw on June 16, 2011, 05:07:05 PM

Title: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: bearpaw on June 16, 2011, 05:07:05 PM
Hunting-Washington does not condone the illegal killing of wolves or any other wildlife. An organized and civilized society must have laws and those laws must be enforced for a society to remain organized.

It has been the policy of Hunting-Washington to allow most civil discussions. Moderators will sometimes remove comments they find and judge to violate forum rules especially if comments are unsuitable for family viewing or discussion on this forum. When comments are found that suggest illegal activity they are usually left on the forum so that law enforcement can monitor such activity.

Topics started that appear to be meant primarily to promote illegal activity are not desired, topics that are meant to discuss the issues related to illegal activities may be allowed. Not everyone will understand or agree with what the moderators choose to remove or allow, but the moderator team will do their best to administer this policy in the best interest of this forum and the sport.

Everyone has agreed to the Forum Rules when signing up to use this forum. Please note the following excerpt from the Forum Rules: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,163263.msg2152384.html#msg2152384

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, slanderous, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any State, International, or United States Federal law.




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Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: LRP on July 31, 2011, 08:18:31 AM
Great subject, not sure how many will commit themselves to posting anything.  In the field we hear of violations which are never reported.  Remember, anyone reporting violations to WDFW, do so in a timely manner, ASAP, not a week later.  Also try to include vehicle plate numbers, direction of travel, time, etc.  It's nice to see them caught in the field, makes a big splash.  Investigation consume a lot of time.
LRP
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: mulehunter on July 31, 2011, 09:29:32 AM
Can you clarify what kind of activities would be considered illegal when it comes to wolves? (Besides the obvious)..  For example; if I stumbled upon a den could I take pics or is that harassment?  We have free range cattle near my property, if the wolves were hunting them, am I ok to scare them off?  Lets say they have that cow down already; if I witness it? How do you want us to provide evidence that it was a wolf kill? Last time I remember in okanogan county seemed pretty obvious that the cow was killed by wolves but biologist denied it.

Mulehunter.



Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: bearpaw on July 31, 2011, 10:36:30 AM
My Personal Opinion
I don't see how taking pictures or setting trail cams can be illegal, after all, Conservation Northwest members are doing it all over Washington. Disturbing wolves with other intentions is most likely illegal. I don't know how far you can go to protect livestock or pets, currently I do not think you can legally shoot a wolf in Washington under any circumstance unless you are being attacked, but I do not know how the law reads on that, I certainly hope the laws allow you to protect yourself or other humans.  :twocents:

Check The Laws & Report Wolf Sightings
Inform yourself by reading the Hunting Regulations, by calling WDFW, and by visiting the WDFW website. Report sightings, depredation, or any other types of wolf info here: http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/contacts.html#guidelines (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/contacts.html#guidelines)

Also report any wolf info and sightings here for the public record:  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79244.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79244.0.html)
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: seth30 on July 31, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Bearpaw,

  Thank you for providing the proper channels for reporting Wolf sightings :tup:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: mulehunter on July 31, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
 :yeah: 

Mulehunter.   :tup:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: snowranger on August 18, 2011, 07:34:29 AM
I have a problem with the wolves being introduced in WA.  Not that I'm against it I just think the farmers and ranchers will have the final say and that will be it. I dont think they will get established enough for us to hunt them but hey maybe my head is in the sand.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 18, 2011, 07:41:06 AM
I have a problem with the wolves being introduced in WA.  Not that I'm against it I just think the farmers and ranchers will have the final say and that will be it. I dont think they will get established enough for us to hunt them but hey maybe my head is in the sand.
huh ... they will be everywhere soon... there are more out there than they think ....guarantee ya that .... :tup:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: billdo5 on May 06, 2013, 10:52:50 AM
Great subject, not sure how many will commit themselves to posting anything.  In the field we hear of violations which are never reported.  Remember, anyone reporting violations to WDFW, do so in a timely manner, ASAP, not a week later.  Also try to include vehicle plate numbers, direction of travel, time, etc.  It's nice to see them caught in the field, makes a big splash.  Investigation consume a lot of time.
LRP
R u a gamewarden or something???... Nobody is going to report of a wolf being shot.. Hense "Shoot and Drive Away" or people throwing sponges on the sides of road soaked in blood and meat... You u want to save the wolves then go out and pick all the sponges off the side of the road because i wont... And im pretty sure nobody else will either.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: grousefether on August 17, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
Great subject, not sure how many will commit themselves to posting anything.  In the field we hear of violations which are never reported.  Remember, anyone reporting violations to WDFW, do so in a timely manner, ASAP, not a week later.  Also try to include vehicle plate numbers, direction of travel, time, etc.  It's nice to see them caught in the field, makes a big splash.  Investigation consume a lot of time.
LRP
R u a gamewarden or something???... Nobody is going to report of a wolf being shot.. Hense "Shoot and Drive Away" or people throwing sponges on the sides of road soaked in blood and meat... You u want to save the wolves then go out and pick all the sponges off the side of the road because i wont... And im pretty sure nobody else will either.  :dunno:
       :chuckle: :chuckle:   makes a big splash for the wolf lovers. Its not illegal to keep your mouth shut. Makes me wonder about people that would rush to turn someone in. IMO....worry about yourself. If your gonna lose sleep over a dead wolf, there are plenty of people who share your views. Just not hunters who actually care about our wildlife
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: castie2504 on July 22, 2018, 08:19:26 PM
I have a problem with the wolves being introduced in WA.  Not that I'm against it I just think the farmers and ranchers will have the final say and that will be it. I dont think they will get established enough for us to hunt them but hey maybe my head is in the sand.

I thought I read that the wolves here in WA are spreading from those released in Idaho and Montana. They werenít released here were they?
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: h20hunter on July 22, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
Talk about an old thread.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 22, 2018, 08:52:21 PM
Billdo, wow this is an old thread. Haven't heard from that character in awhile. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: pd on July 22, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Shoot.  From the thread title I thought Bearpaw was going to talk about buying cigarettes for minors or something like that. 
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Brad Harshman on July 22, 2018, 10:50:50 PM
I've said before and I'll say it again.  The anonymity this site allows breeds this type of discussion.  I truly believe if HuntWA required everyone to use their real names the amount of trash talking and unhelpful bantar would decrease significantly. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and stand up proud about saying it.  Don't hide behind the cloak of the internet and your fake names.  Let's have quality discussions that support the hunting community, our traditions, our way of life.  All this trash talk about breaking laws destroys the very fabric that defines us as a community bound by ethics.  It paints everyone of us as blood thirsty, apathetic barbarians, not conservationists.
Stop giving the Humane Society and PETA future ammo to shoot us down with.

Great topic OP (whoever you are).
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: 7mmfan on July 23, 2018, 08:31:20 AM
I don't know guys. There's a large portion of hunters that have made a significant effort recently to poise hunters in general as folks that have respect and admiration for all wildlife, and we hunt to feed our families and to aid in conservation of all species, not gloating and bragging about killing animals or making them suffer. That point of view can gain a foothold, it has helped me in discussions with many non/anti-hunters. Guys that talk about poisoning or tossing sponges or meat wrapped trebles out give us all a big fat black eye and erase any traction that might have been gained.

I'll be the first one to buy a wolf tag in WA if possible, and I buy them every year in Idaho. I chase bears, killed my share of coyotes, and I plan on chasing cats this winter as well, so don't dare call me a predator lover. It all has to be done on the up and up though.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Jpmiller on July 23, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
I've said before and I'll say it again.  The anonymity this site allows breeds this type of discussion.  I truly believe if HuntWA required everyone to use their real names the amount of trash talking and unhelpful bantar would decrease significantly. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and stand up proud about saying it.  Don't hide behind the cloak of the internet and your fake names.  Let's have quality discussions that support the hunting community, our traditions, our way of life.  All this trash talk about breaking laws destroys the very fabric that defines us as a community bound by ethics.  It paints everyone of us as blood thirsty, apathetic barbarians, not conservationists.
Stop giving the Humane Society and PETA future ammo to shoot us down with.

Great topic OP (whoever you are).

Im moving closer all the time to wishing this site required real names to be posted. I don't even remember if I needed to enter my name to sign up but it would cut down on some of the nonsense.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
I've said before and I'll say it again.  The anonymity this site allows breeds this type of discussion.  I truly believe if HuntWA required everyone to use their real names the amount of trash talking and unhelpful bantar would decrease significantly. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and stand up proud about saying it.  Don't hide behind the cloak of the internet and your fake names.  Let's have quality discussions that support the hunting community, our traditions, our way of life.  All this trash talk about breaking laws destroys the very fabric that defines us as a community bound by ethics.  It paints everyone of us as blood thirsty, apathetic barbarians, not conservationists.
Stop giving the Humane Society and PETA future ammo to shoot us down with.

Great topic OP (whoever you are).

Im moving closer all the time to wishing this site required real names to be posted. I don't even remember if I needed to enter my name to sign up but it would cut down on some of the nonsense.

What vetting would be done to verify the names being given are in fact real names? 

No way to ensure that it would be any different, from now. 
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Cougartail on July 23, 2018, 10:09:20 AM
I've said before and I'll say it again.  The anonymity this site allows breeds this type of discussion.  I truly believe if HuntWA required everyone to use their real names the amount of trash talking and unhelpful bantar would decrease significantly. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and stand up proud about saying it.  Don't hide behind the cloak of the internet and your fake names.  Let's have quality discussions that support the hunting community, our traditions, our way of life.  All this trash talk about breaking laws destroys the very fabric that defines us as a community bound by ethics.  It paints everyone of us as blood thirsty, apathetic barbarians, not conservationists.
Stop giving the Humane Society and PETA future ammo to shoot us down with.

Great topic OP (whoever you are).

Im moving closer all the time to wishing this site required real names to be posted. I don't even remember if I needed to enter my name to sign up but it would cut down on some of the nonsense.

What vetting would be done to verify the names being given are in fact real names? 

No way to ensure that it would be any different, from now.


Using your real name would be the dumbest move ever.  Post a picture of a cougar you harvest.. have your house fire bombed next week by some animal rights activist  Not thought out clearly..
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 23, 2018, 10:12:55 AM
I don't recall any forum I've ever signed up for using real names. Anti-hunters and animal rights freakos with an axe to grind would have a field day harassing members. All due respects, I think it's a horrible idea to use real names.

It's simple: When someone posts an illegal activity or expresses support for same, the post is taken down and that thread is reminded of the forum policy. If one person violates the policy even after several PM warnings, they're suspended. More times? Removed permanently.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: jmscon on July 23, 2018, 10:20:14 AM
Well said Brad and 7mm!
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: KFhunter on July 23, 2018, 10:39:46 AM
I've got a FB account, they make people use their real names and I don't see where it causes a whole lot of restraint :dunno:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: baker5150 on July 23, 2018, 11:00:31 AM
I've got a FB account, they make people use their real names and I don't see where it causes a whole lot of restraint :dunno:

They don't make you use your real name on Facebook.  You cant use whatever name you want.

Just ask the Russians
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 23, 2018, 11:21:51 AM
Iím a little confused on why some posts were deleted  :dunno:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 23, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
I've got a FB account, they make people use their real names and I don't see where it causes a whole lot of restraint :dunno:

I certainly don't post things on Facebook which would be considered controversial because many of my customers are friends, and I only post to friends, not the public, because I don't want the crazies. Forums are different and normally address specific areas of interest. That's why anonymity is important because groups like DOW search for hunting groups to call out the topics and members.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Oh Mah on July 23, 2018, 12:27:26 PM
I need to reread the forum rules i guess,I always thought advocating illegal activities was against forum rules.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: jackelope on July 23, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
I need to reread the forum rules i guess,I always thought advocating illegal activities was against forum rules.  :dunno:

We've asked multiple times for folks to click on the "report to moderator" tab. We can't be everywhere at once.
Please keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Oh Mah on July 23, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
I did not mean anything in a negative way towards the mods.  :tup:
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: jackelope on July 23, 2018, 12:32:27 PM
I did not mean anything in a negative way towards the mods.  :tup:

No I get that, and maybe I misread what you were saying. Earlier today there were a couple posts on here that were deleted from a guy suggesting using poison meatballs to deal with the wolves. I thought that's what you were referring to. My bad.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
I've got a FB account, they make people use their real names and I don't see where it causes a whole lot of restraint :dunno:

Not correct, just provide a name and a date of birth, and be anyone you want to be.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: cbond3318 on July 23, 2018, 12:55:06 PM
I've got a FB account, they make people use their real names and I don't see where it causes a whole lot of restraint :dunno:

Not correct, just provide a name and a date of birth, and be anyone you want to be.

That is called "Catfishing"
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Bob33 on July 23, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
Facebook requires real names. That's not going to happen here.

https://m.facebook.com/help/112146705538576 (https://m.facebook.com/help/112146705538576)

What names are allowed on Facebook?
Facebook is a community where everyone uses the name they go by in everyday life. This makes it so that you always know who you're connecting with.

Your name can't include:

Symbols, numbers, unusual capitalization, repeating characters or punctuation.
Characters from multiple languages.
Titles of any kind (example: professional, religious).
Words or phrases in place of a name.
Offensive or suggestive words of any kind.
If your name follows our standards and you're still having trouble changing it, find out why.

Other things to keep in mind:

The name on your profile should be the name that your friends call you in everyday life. This name should also appear on an ID or document from our ID list.
Nicknames can be used as a first or middle name if they're a variation of your authentic name (like Bob instead of Robert).
You can also list another name on your account (example: maiden name, nickname, professional name).
Profiles are for individual use only. You can create a Page for a business, organization or idea.
Pretending to be anything or anyone isn't allowed.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: KFhunter on July 23, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
 :yeah:

I know a few folks had their accounts suspended for making false name pages, some for security, some for business and some I dunno why  :dunno:
In the military community a lot of folks were trying to use nick names or handles during that period when ISIS was targeting military and doxxing them, lot of those folks simply left FB.   



Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: 2MANY on July 23, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
FB sucks.

Book it.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Bob33 on July 23, 2018, 02:05:42 PM
Now we know why Bud Light, Jack Hammer, Joe King and Don Key donít have Facebook accounts.
Title: Re: Illegal Activities Involving Wolves or Other Wildlife
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2018, 02:10:11 PM
Facebook requires real names. That's not going to happen here.

https://m.facebook.com/help/112146705538576 (https://m.facebook.com/help/112146705538576)

What names are allowed on Facebook?
Facebook is a community where everyone uses the name they go by in everyday life. This makes it so that you always know who you're connecting with.

Your name can't include:

Symbols, numbers, unusual capitalization, repeating characters or punctuation.
Characters from multiple languages.
Titles of any kind (example: professional, religious).
Words or phrases in place of a name.
Offensive or suggestive words of any kind.
If your name follows our standards and you're still having trouble changing it, find out why.

Other things to keep in mind:

The name on your profile should be the name that your friends call you in everyday life. This name should also appear on an ID or document from our ID list.
Nicknames can be used as a first or middle name if they're a variation of your authentic name (like Bob instead of Robert).
You can also list another name on your account (example: maiden name, nickname, professional name).
Profiles are for individual use only. You can create a Page for a business, organization or idea.
Pretending to be anything or anyone isn't allowed.

Of course, that is what they say is required, but I pose the same question I asked before, what vetting process is being done??

The answer is none.  There is no facebook identity verification unit that comes out and checks for valid and proper picture ID before allowing an account to be opened, there is no requirement to submit a copy of said valid ID to be put on file, to think otherwise is just silly.

The pages that get dumped are usually obviously fake, example, cloning someone's account, then the person or one of their friends sees it and reports it.  Or they get reported for sending spam and advertising links out...

So there is no benefit to "requiring" real names be used on profiles, and as has been mentioned, several real hazards in doing so.

Welcome to the internet and social media, be whom ever you want to be and say what ever you want because the conquences are...well, pretty much none.