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Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 09:24:07 PM
hey everybody!  Looking for any body with any info on the wenaha east unit? drew the modern firearm any bull tag! thanks for any info
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: The100Road on June 22, 2011, 09:25:29 PM
How many points did you draw that with?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 09:27:23 PM
me and a friend drew it with 11 points
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: The100Road on June 22, 2011, 09:28:45 PM
Have you ever hunted the wenaha before?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 09:31:38 PM
havent had a chance yet! but really looking forward to it!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: nwhunter on June 22, 2011, 09:49:34 PM
Best advice for that unit is get in shape, like sheep hunting shape! Second best advice is if you are really going to hunt the good parts of that unit and you don't have pack animals you better get a hold of mtcook on here(Western Life Outfitters) unless you are a Cameron Hanes type of guy and I think even he would want pack animals in there. Its a great area with plenty of good bulls just really rugged and roadless. Congrats on the tag. nwhunter
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 10:03:53 PM
thanks for the advice.
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Post by: LittleJohn on June 22, 2011, 10:09:45 PM
Best advice for that unit is get in shape, like sheep hunting shape! Second best advice is if you are really going to hunt the good parts of that unit and you don't have pack animals you better get a hold of mtcook on here(Western Life Outfitters) unless you are a Cameron Hanes type of guy and I think even he would want pack animals in there. Its a great area with plenty of good bulls just really rugged and roadless. Congrats on the tag. nwhunter

No truer words have been spoken. TOUGH HUNTING!! I'd give my left testy for that tag, but I have horses and mules ready to go,  Get in High School shape, no joke :) :)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
how far in would a person have to pack in to get in to the best parts of the unit? i have friends that have horses and are willing to help pack a bull out! but we are interested in hunting by foot.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 22, 2011, 10:28:13 PM
Best advice for that unit is get in shape, like sheep hunting shape! Second best advice is if you are really going to hunt the good parts of that unit and you don't have pack animals you better get a hold of mtcook on here(Western Life Outfitters) unless you are a Cameron Hanes type of guy and I think even he would want pack animals in there. Its a great area with plenty of good bulls just really rugged and roadless. Congrats on the tag. nwhunter

No truer words have been spoken. TOUGH HUNTING!! I'd give my left testy for that tag, but I have horses and mules ready to go,  Get in High School shape, no joke :) :)

I dont think he understands what he is getting himself into  :chuckle: Seriousely think about the horses, you'll be glad you did!! Mtcook is the man.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 10:33:14 PM
i am really sure you are right about the horses! guess i better get down there and scope it out myself. guess then i will really appreciate the horses?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 6x6in6 on June 22, 2011, 10:35:35 PM
Yeah, as soon as we get a little more warm weather and some more snow melt, you need to get down there and see for yourself what you have got yourself into.
Your friends that have horses should become your best friends real quick.
IMO, it's the most difficult to hunt, difficult to access elk country in this state BY FAR!!!
Good luck  :)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 22, 2011, 10:48:23 PM
thanks for the info. i cant wait to hunt it. guess i better get ready!

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2011, 10:52:04 PM
Are the horses going to be with you in the unit or are they going to be in Moses Lake if you kill a bull?
I saw this part of a post referring to Wenaha East one time a while back.
Quote
The terrain reminded me of Glacier Peak Mt. Goat hunting
;)
The concern  I think with killing a bull in there is that if you're 5+miles in and kill a bull, you gotta get it out before it spoils and hopefully avoid killing yourself.
Once you get down there, you'll see what these guys are saying. Hunt from foot if you want...have MtnCook on speed dial for if/when you kill a bull.
Good luck and keep us in the loop for your hunt and scouting.
 :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: huntnnw on June 22, 2011, 10:59:20 PM
+1 on the Advice..its unlike any terrain for elk in this state.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: MHWASH on June 23, 2011, 06:02:21 AM
Here's a little taste.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy126%2FMHWASH%2FBearhunt9-15-2007010.jpg&hash=4e9d1cb05a1498944c39086bd833502d)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 23, 2011, 06:37:40 AM
This has been some good advice from the other guys.  If someone else brings horses be sure they are very experienced as not only do we have a rough unit the trails are not that good for flat land horses.  Many have been lost in a couple of places.  I might have talked to you or your partner already.


mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: trophyhunt on June 23, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Congrats on the tag.  I have been putting in for the muzzy hunt for that unit and have talked with Mtncook about that area for the past couple years. My two cents to you, I would have him take you in on one of his drop camps if you can't afford the guided hunt. He is the expert in the area and chances of drawing that tag anytime soon again are pretty tough, I would use his knowledge and make the best of it.  If I ever draw I definitely will be giving him a call. Good luck and enjoy that great tag.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Daytonite on June 23, 2011, 07:31:27 AM
Still too much snow to check out now, but soon as it melts off, you will understand what everyone is saying.  Very steep country and the bottoms are very thick.  Make sure you are dialed in; if the bull heads to the bottom it could literally add another day or two to get hime out!!  USFS does not clear trail in the bottom...but mtncook does :).  He has helped me out for work multiple years in that unit and is a must for elk hunting.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 08:34:49 AM
There are 6 bighorns in this picture  :o
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 04:30:25 PM
i have a couple different friends that would come and help! one of them is in moswes lake and the other one is in  la grande oregon! any ideas where to start looking?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 04:40:25 PM
any info on where to start scouting?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 04:43:04 PM
Scouting in there needed to be done in the previouse years during that timeframe your tag is good for, other than that , youll have to go in there for some hikes and get to know the lay of the land and use some elk sence. Get some mileage markers. look for places to camp. The elk you see during the summer more than likely wont be there on your hunt.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 23, 2011, 04:51:32 PM
What does one of mtncooks unguided dropcamps go for?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 04:55:34 PM
What does one of mtncooks unguided dropcamps go for?

Here is a link to his website.

http://www.westernlifeoutfitters.com/Hunting.html (http://www.westernlifeoutfitters.com/Hunting.html)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 23, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
Have you been in the Blues ever?  Get some good optics to glass and have horses ready, unless you kill one by the road.  I would just stay on the border and hunt the road, you'll get an elk and save yourself a heart attack ; )
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2011, 05:07:37 PM
Not the Wenaha units but close enough...This place isn't steep enough.
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
Damn flat land there Josh  :chuckle: Must be down by Pomeroy  :chuckle:
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Post by: Caseyd on June 23, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
There are 6 bighorns in this picture  :o

Actually 6? Or were you kidding...
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: CJ-5 on June 23, 2011, 06:01:55 PM
I saw those sheep in there bear hunting last spring, that was neat as hell!  I am not a blues expert, but what everyone is saying is true.   That is rough, steep, roadless country..but also rich in game.  If you want to get into the unit at all, horses are a must.  Even being in great shape will only get you so far.  Packing an elk out of that country would not be fun.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 06:16:50 PM
Casey, they are up by the rock slide, I can only see one of them, there were about 2 miles away  :chuckle:
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Post by: Dode on June 23, 2011, 06:32:25 PM
There are 6 bighorns in this picture  :o

Probably the same ones we were talking about during my bear hunt Charlie?

Not a very good picture as it was through the spotting scope.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Dode on June 23, 2011, 06:39:11 PM
Here's a few more of the country.  Pics don't do that country justice.  And then a couple of what you can hope to see in there if you get back in there.  Not the biggest one in there but still nice.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
Same ones Dode! When was that bull picture taken Dode?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Dode on June 23, 2011, 07:10:14 PM
Same ones Dode! When was that bull picture taken Dode?

I wish I could say that was from this spring but I would get burned at the stake from everybody.  Probably have the governors tag guy hunting me down.  It was taken last summer.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
Thats a descent bull but Id have to pass, fronts are too short  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 23, 2011, 08:03:31 PM
 :DOH: :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
that is definitely  a bull i would be happy with! how is the area around grouse flats? i talked with a biologist down there and he was saying the grouse flats area has a good concentration of elk around there! but i am wanting to get away from all the other hunters also!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 09:20:26 PM
i did talk to you the other day mtncook! I will definitely get ahold of you after i go and look the country for myself. if a person were to get a elk down in there what would be the fee to pack it out?
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Post by: toyman2 on June 23, 2011, 09:36:35 PM
here is a few more pics, thats where i hunt and i have packed a (spike) bull out of there by myself.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
thanks guys you are awesome with the pictures! pretty intimidating ground it looks like? hopefully there is a good bull left in there for me!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 23, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
I dont think its all that bad, it is however steep. You need to be prepaired. I leave about a half hour before daylight and dont expect to return till dusk at least.
4 years ago when i shot a spike, packing him out my self was 6 - 8hr round trip.
There are some BIG ass bulls in there but youll have to work for them. Where i hunt its about 2 miles before anything opens up to see, then i start my hunting. Stuff like extra socks are like heaven, and you never know what the weather will be like for the year. last year i was in about 15" of snow but when i shot my bull i was in a T shirt.
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Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 10:02:44 PM
Toyman is just trying to act tough and make us all look like sissys  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Damn flat land there Josh  :chuckle: Must be down by Pomeroy  :chuckle:

Yeah I think I caught a little of the road in the one pic...
There's no roads in the Wenaha East unit.
 :yike:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 10:12:37 PM
well with two of us hunting it together we should be able to get a bull out of there! but judging by the pictures horses would be a very welcome addition to the camp!!! what size of bull should a person hold out for? i here all kinds of stories about the area.... but i was thinking 300 class???
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
If a 300 bull makes you happy then shoot it. Personally if I had a Blues elk tag for a big bull in the Wenaha, I don't think I could shoot a 300" bull and this is coming from a guy who's never killed an elk. You can do a lot better than 300" in there.
 :twocents:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2011, 10:18:36 PM
Have you used the search function on this site at all?

Do you know about the potential trophy quality of the elk in the unit you drew a permit for?

Don't take these questions the wrong way...I just hope you understand what you have.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntnphish on June 23, 2011, 10:25:25 PM
but we are interested in hunting by foot.

  :chuckle: Does someone on here have some pics to show him of the terrain? You would be well advised to listen to the others and talk to Mtcook.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 10:27:31 PM
i have heard about the trophy potential in this unit. But i also have to be realistic about my chances!!!! trust me i have big expectations about this hunt. kinda trying to bring myself down to earth a little bit!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 23, 2011, 10:31:37 PM
Hold out but if you get a close shot take it.  I know people who ate tag soup in there cause they couldn't get close enough to the elk, they weren't being picky either.  They had horses as well.

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 23, 2011, 10:40:07 PM
all of the info has got me all jacked up!! wish the hunt started tomorrow!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 23, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
How many bulls have you killed just so we can get to knwo you better, maybee some kill pictures  :drool:
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Post by: zackmioli on June 23, 2011, 11:13:06 PM
reading this thread is making me wish i could make a trip out to the blues. and making me want to work out 24/7

good luck on your hunt.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 24, 2011, 12:01:06 AM
Here is a couple of pics from our past.

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 24, 2011, 12:17:04 AM
That drop tine bull survived last fall.  I'm real anxious to get the cameras out.. I heard today from my Game Agent friend that he drove to Godman!!  That is good news, the road to Teepee is still plugged but should clear up fast.  I'll try a couple more that have been resized.


mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 05:28:00 AM
i have never killed a bull before! actually got my first elk last year. drew a cow tag for the west bar hunt. what a boring hunt. have hunted in some ruggid ground for them though! judging by the photos this will definitely be an hunt of a lifetime!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 24, 2011, 06:06:05 AM
USE HORSES!!

unless you plan on hunting from a road everyday which can be done.
I tromp all over that country on foot and I'd do a deer hunt on foot but not an elk hunt, especially a rifle hunt when there's a chance for snow.

Many tags have been eaten in there due to the country and people not being well prepared.

Charlie, here's your Rams last fall.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 11:34:01 AM
thanks for the info... think i am leaning the horse way a lot more!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 24, 2011, 11:45:26 AM
Stop leaning, start making arrangements and training horses right now if you are gonna take your own in there. If not hire mtncook. That permit is a great oppurtunity even if there are no elk there. If you listen to these guys now you will thank them eternally when you get in there.  :twocents:
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 24, 2011, 12:00:10 PM
Nothing much to say that hasn't already been said on here before.  I bailed in there a few years ago on foot with 3 buddies for 4 days.  None of us has tried that again since.  All of us military guys in decent shape (20s and early 30s).  One guy was almost a heat casualty coming back out.  No joke.  If I drew that tag, I would be begging horses from someone. 
Like Woodchuck said; stop leaning.  You will probably never draw this tag again, so treat it like a "Once in a Lifetime" experience.  MtCook's drop camp is probably the way to go if you haven't already scouted it.  You will beneifit from his years of experience by putting you in the right spot.  The elk don't live everywhere in there. :twocents:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 24, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Oh, and if it were me, I'd probably set my minimum at about 320".   :twocents:
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Post by: 6x6in6 on June 24, 2011, 12:32:49 PM
As mtncook stated earlier.
This is no place to take the flat land horse.  Heck, it's no place to take even the average trail type stock.  At or near tip top shape is a must.
Having raised, trained and trail ridden horses for many, many years I'm not sure that I could get mine to the level of shape this country requires in 4 months and I ride some decent country 3-4 times a month.  Think of how altitude can affect we as people.  It's no different for stock. Being in top shape is the best situation for the horse.  Anything less can ruin your hunt.
Me, I'd call mtncook and call it a day.  :)  If he'd allow, I would consider bringing my own horse but that would be his call.  A lot easier to concentrate on getting one horse ready to roll vs. the whole string needed to make this the quality hunt you want out of it.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
looks like i have a lot of homework to do?
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Post by: toyman2 on June 24, 2011, 03:48:45 PM
If you can afford it im sure mtncook would be the way to go.
It can be done with out horses, I hunt it every year and so do alot of people. If you dont have horses it will be alot of work but well worth it.
Just somthing to add, last year i broke the road open last year with my 4 runner. The snow drifts were getting big, i helped pull alot of people out that were snowed in.
If your in good shape, and put in the time you should, you will get a big bull. you have a dream tag, dont waste it.
Myself, i dont think i could afford to hire someone to help with a hunt like this.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: The100Road on June 24, 2011, 03:52:02 PM
I thought there where no elk in the blues?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntnphish on June 24, 2011, 03:52:32 PM
looks like i have a lot of homework to do?

 When you consider the improbability of drawing that tag again in the next twenty years, I would restrict my homework to which outfitter to hire and how to get in shape to be able to maximize my opportunity. :twocents:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 24, 2011, 04:06:48 PM
I thought there where no elk in the blues?
Exactly, read my last post in this thread. Still can be fun to camp deep in there.  ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 24, 2011, 04:27:54 PM
I thought there where no elk in the blues?

Are you trying to ruin this thread 100Road?  ...cause if you are, I can do it... :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 24, 2011, 04:29:05 PM
 :yeah: and he can quickly, I've seen him do it.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 24, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
Damn it I thought this was a thread about the Margret on the westside where all the elk are ......
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 24, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
...I kind of feel like I am being egged on here... :dunno:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 24, 2011, 04:41:23 PM
Not by me  8)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 24, 2011, 04:41:31 PM
I don't think they will believe you if you don't  :hello:
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Post by: Huntnphish on June 24, 2011, 04:50:04 PM
 :jacked:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 24, 2011, 04:56:18 PM
spoilsport  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 09:24:18 PM
so much advice! didnt think i would ever get this kind of response!!!!! you guys are awesome with all the responses!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 24, 2011, 09:38:33 PM
Just make sure you post up pic's and stories :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 09:49:10 PM
that will definitely happen!!! when and if i get fortunate enough to get one
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: runamuk on June 24, 2011, 09:53:37 PM
...I kind of feel like I am being egged on here... :dunno:
go chosen one.... go chosen one.... ;)  there aint no elk in the blues last I heard bigfoot ate them all  ;)

good luck its a beautiful place a person could lose themselves in there
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 10:06:01 PM
i am sure he left a couple elk in there!!! dont think he likes the real steep areas?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: nwhunter on June 24, 2011, 10:51:32 PM
This is what happens to you in the wenaha when you arent ready for it!! Some people swear they will never go back  after a few days. For me its a love hate relationship, I hate the torture it is on my body but love what I see and enjoy while I am there.nwhunter
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 24, 2011, 10:54:40 PM
i am sure that will be a common occurence with me also!!! but hopefully the rewards will be worth it!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
looks like i have a lot of homework to do?

Please do. It will pay you back big in the end.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 25, 2011, 08:54:48 AM
This is what happens to you in the wenaha when you arent ready for it!! Some people swear they will never go back  after a few days. For me its a love hate relationship, I hate the torture it is on my body but love what I see and enjoy while I am there.nwhunter

that happens even if you are ready for it :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
This is what happens to you in the wenaha when you arent ready for it!! Some people swear they will never go back  after a few days. For me its a love hate relationship, I hate the torture it is on my body but love what I see and enjoy while I am there.nwhunter

that happens even if you are ready for it :chuckle:

Im pretty sure I died in there once  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 25, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
...Is that lunch...? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 25, 2011, 10:13:55 AM
This is what happens to you in the wenaha when you arent ready for it!! Some people swear they will never go back  after a few days. For me its a love hate relationship, I hate the torture it is on my body but love what I see and enjoy while I am there.nwhunter

that happens even if you are ready for it :chuckle:

Im pretty sure I died in there once  :chuckle:

I've wanted to at times... several times.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2011, 10:48:31 AM
This is what happens to you in the wenaha when you arent ready for it!! Some people swear they will never go back  after a few days. For me its a love hate relationship, I hate the torture it is on my body but love what I see and enjoy while I am there.nwhunter

that happens even if you are ready for it :chuckle:

Im pretty sure I died in there once  :chuckle:

I've wanted to at times... several times.

 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 25, 2011, 10:53:40 AM
Do any of you go in there solo?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2011, 11:00:33 AM
Not in the east .
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 25, 2011, 11:04:21 AM
But you do in the west?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 25, 2011, 11:08:41 AM
Do any of you go in there solo?

Yep, I've been in both sides solo a few times. It can be pretty tough to find someone else willing to go at times. Usually the only one that will tag along is my dad.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
But you do in the west?

If you are hunting elk I do not recommend it if its hot. I did though but had help packing meat 2 1/2 miles.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 25, 2011, 05:34:15 PM
 Well if a guy goes solo why cant he just have horses lined up ahead of time to pull it out if he gets one. I wonder if Mtncook would just do the horses thing without doing the whole drop camp thing. That couldnt be more than a couple hundred bucks and would be well worth it for the solo hunter.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: nwhunter on June 25, 2011, 07:28:18 PM
I am pretty sure Dave hauls meat out of there for $4 or 500 for an elk. You have to get it to a trail that his critters can come in on. Of course if he has drop camps or a guided hunt they get first priority so during bow season if its hot that could cause a problem, thats part of the risk you take.I am sure he will get on here and let you know.nwhunter
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on June 25, 2011, 07:35:35 PM
The problem with asking an outfitter to do that is that they can't afford to have a pack string and a couple packers waiting around for 10 days for a radio call to come pack it out.  The costs would be the same as a guided hunt without the food to the outfitter because that is a string that isn't producing income by taking another client in somewhere else.  That and outfitters are protective of their areas as a whole, so the DIY guy that calls asking the price of having that string sitting around waiting to pack out an elk that their clients won't get a shot at is probably going to get an earful and an astronomical quote even if there are no other clients and the stock is sitting at base camp burning through hay.  Pride has a price tag to those who have been outfitting long enough, and it's a lot steeper than a couple hundred bucks.

A better bet is to find a friend or family member who has horses that can handle the tough stuff but doesn't hunt themselves.  Have them on the lookout for a call to come help from Dayton or Pomeroy or Troy and directions to the trailhead your hunting from.  Offer to pay their gas, beer, and stock feed for a month.  Keep the meat cool for the 2 or 3 days it'll take between the shot and the stock arriving.

Better yet is to buy the drop camp from the outfitter.  Packing is included in the price, and there are no surprises.  It won't be quite the same as a guided hunt in a few aspects, but you'll be glad you did in the end.

If you want the best shot at a monster bull, then buy the guided hunt.  Then all you have to do is get in shape.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 25, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
Sound advice right there from todd :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2011, 08:55:25 PM
Drop camp, $900.00 per person. Trust me its well , well worth it. You can sell your sperm between now and the hunt to pay for it  8)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 25, 2011, 09:13:00 PM
Drop camp, $900.00 per person. Trust me its well , well worth it. You can sell your sperm between now and the hunt to pay for it  8)

Man I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Now I know where charlie gets his spare hunting money :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 25, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
Thanks guys for working for me.  I know there are several guys watching this thread making decisions about hunting with us.   Scott is right about my meat packing, it is $400 and I need to ride to it.  I can go alot of places but will not injure my mules.  You have to move it to a handy spot.   It is not legal for someone without a permit to receive any type of payment.  Fuel money or food is considered payment.  Some have had some stiff tickets in the past for this.  It is to protect the permit holders,  believe me I do this for the love of the game and my stock,  it is not a big paying business.  This has been fun reading all the posts and I appreciate the support. 

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 25, 2011, 09:43:33 PM
Drop camp, $900.00 per person. Trust me its well , well worth it. You can sell your sperm between now and the hunt to pay for it  8)

The other thing you gotta think about with this...if you do choose to call Dave to pack a bull out...You're going to be in 3-5 miles lets say...shoot your bull, get him taken care of, quartered, hung up, etc. Walk the 3-5 miles out...then what? If you go in from Teepee you're going to get in your truck and drive 30-40 miles to get cell service to call Dave. Hopefully he answers. If he doesn't, then what? You drive 30-40 miles back or do you sit and wait for him to call back? You won't be recieving any cell phone calls anywhere near Teepee...trust me. A bull in packable size pieces is 4-5 trips for an average guy right? If you're 3 miles in, thats 30 miles of walking round trip. Hopefully there's 2 of you but thats still 15 miles a piece with what will be 50+ pounds minimum on your back each trip.  :yike:  I will direct you to Bowsnhose and his recent thread with his workout routine and a video of him packing his bull out of the Blues. Maybe that will give you an idea of what you're in for.
the pack 08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m12ZZUBasko#)
Here's the thread.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,76574.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,76574.0.html)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 25, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
that is excellent information to know from mtn cook. we are definitely leaning towards using him for our hunt!! just have to look at the area for ourselves then we will make up our minds! long time to go before then!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 25, 2011, 10:30:23 PM
Cell service? Most of you may not know but Bluewood Ski Lodge has a newer cell tower.
I have cell service all over there.
Mabey im tougher than some on here I dont know, some of you make sound as if it cant be done on there own. A guided hunt would be sweet but who has a grand to throw at it. last year it was cold enough the meat could have sat out for a week. It is not impossable, if you half way in shape its not really all that bad. It will be ALOT of work but it can be done.
No offens to mtncook, if i had the extra money i may use him it looks as if he runs a good camp.
All im saying is(and everyone is different) get your ass over here and put the boots to the ground and it will pay off. Dont be lazy, how do you think they find the elk.
Just seems to me to much talk about letting someone else do all the work and you just shoot the elk.
Its your tag, its your elk put some work into it, if you have the cash laying around, fine, but dont go broke cause thats what everyone else thinks. this is not to discredit all the great advise on here.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 25, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
Well I wanted to go over next year and hunt for a archery spike so when I get drawn for the big tag I at least have some experience in there. I want to put in leg work before I draw the branch antler tag so I can make the most of the opportunity. Also, I wasnt sure if it would make sense buying a drop camp when im solo. If I could find another guy or two by next year, a drop camp may very well be a reality.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 25, 2011, 10:51:17 PM
only four more months of this discussion and then everything will be put to rest!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 26, 2011, 12:00:57 AM
There is a big difference between a full fledged experianced elk hunter and someone that has no experiance or very little, from what I think I know of the lucky tag holder experiance with elk is very minimal at best. Big mature bulls in the bkues have some tremendouse bodies on them. What I am saying is that he is better off to go in on a drop camp (sell his sperm is he has to to pay for it) and spend all his energy putting the most effort to his tag and not expending it hiking for no reason. Being ina good centeral location where the hunting is awesome is key. Having a nice ca,p to come back to is nice, especially for guys that may not be hard core cameron haynes types. I know quite a few guys that think they are but actually dont have the heart. When I had my west tag I put more miles on my legs than I ever have while elk hunting, called in and passed on bulls most guys would give there left testical for (I couldnt because I have to pay for hunting somehow) . I know what it takes to put forth a goods effort to hunt the blues and it aint for the weak. I highly reccomend the drop camp for a few reasons , the joy of hunting out of a camp like that (yes I have done drop camps in the wilderness and it is fun) and the fact you know you got horses comming every 2 days to pack meat if need be. Your still going to have to wrok your asses off to get that meat to a trail thats a given, there just isnt many trails in there. Thats 5 Heavy packs . I didnt weight my bull but I beleive Travis (Bowsandhose) did and if I remember right he had nearly 500 pounds of meat, Travis can correct me if Im wrong. Hell I packed a spike out of the wenaha for 2 1/2 miles or a little better and that was 250 pounds of boned meat and thats a little bull compared to my big bull. Im just sayin.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BENCHLEG on June 26, 2011, 12:17:09 AM
verry well said. just like the boyscout motto,  be prepaired that country is rough. :twocents:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 26, 2011, 06:00:56 AM
i do not have much experience hunting elk. but i have had plenty of experience packing out game! i have a few friends that are very successful elk hunters and i have been with them on a few packs which in my own opinion the area they were hunting rivaled the wenaha with its terrain! and as far as taking care of a bull should i be lucky enough to fill my tag i have been a meat cutter for 20 plus years so i definitely will know what it takes to not lose any of the meat! all the info i have been getting from you guys is great! I have been leaning towards the drop camp, but i think i would take a lot more pride in the hunt knowing we were able to go in there and successfully fill the tags on our own! if i have to pack meat five miles i am sure i will learn something from it!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: piledup on June 26, 2011, 07:08:58 AM
No pressure in buying the drop camp. As long as you know you can do it. That is all it takes for you to accomplish the task :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 26, 2011, 08:42:44 AM
Ok so heres my question without trying to  :jacked:  If a guy wants to hunt it (east or west) without a branch antler archery tag and just a general archery tag (spike only) to get a lay of the land, would you still buy a drop camp knowing the bull will be a spike and alot lighter? Then if a guy went without a drop camp he could use his sperm money on lighter backpacking gear or something. :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 26, 2011, 09:00:24 AM
Go experisnce it for yourself and then you can make a decision. To me a spike isnt worth the money youd pay for a drop camp, plus there are better areas to kill a spike in that you dont have to kill yourself in.  Best thing is to go look into the wenaha, then throw your pack on and start hiking. You have to remember this is not an easy hunt by no means, it can take countless miles and days to find a good bull, they are not behind every tree. I think alot of people that put in for these units are thinking its a slam dunk when it is completely opposite. Its just an opportunity to be able to kill a good bull.  Its not a unit with 350 bulls running everywhere. I know alot of tag holders that were humbled by the area, got skunked , Talked the Talk, but didnt walk the walk and never returned to this forum . All I can give is helpful info and by far the best way to start a quakity hunt IMO would be doing a drop camp. This is still a do it yourself hunt, your just getting to the good 5hit per say. Going deep is where it is at. Them big boys arent hanging on top of the ridges for all too see. But hey , what do I know.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 26, 2011, 09:13:52 AM
I know if i ever draw one of those permits i will be calling on mtcook... 900 is cheap for the opportunity at a bull of a lifetime.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: piledup on June 26, 2011, 09:15:14 AM
Ok so heres my question without trying to  :jacked:  If a guy wants to hunt it (east or west) without a branch antler archery tag and just a general archery tag (spike only) to get a lay of the land, would you still buy a drop camp knowing the bull will be a spike and alot lighter? Then if a guy went without a drop camp he could use his sperm money on lighter backpacking gear or something. :chuckle:

Personally, I wouldn't pay the drop camp just for a spike. If you want to know the land, use the money that you would pay for the drop camp to do some scouting ahead and hunt it during general archery. Then that way you would know the area. I've tried hunting for spikes (close to the wenahas) with archery gear before and it gets pretty tough from my experience. Now If I had the any bull tag, I might go with the drop camp ONLY IF I was solo hunting. I'm sure there are other areas where you can pay a drop camp and have a better chance at an animal than a spike only area. :twocents:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntnphish on June 26, 2011, 10:24:07 AM
I think alot of people that put in for these units are thinking its a slam dunk when it is completely opposite. Its just an opportunity to be able to kill a good bull.  Its not a unit with 350 bulls running everywhere. I know alot of tag holders that were humbled by the area, got skunked , Talked the Talk, but didnt walk the walk and never returned to this forum .

+1 This happens every year.

i do not have much experience hunting elk. but i have had plenty of experience packing out game!

 No disrespect meant dhorn so don't take it that way. Reading through your thread I have come to the conclusion that you really don't realize what an opportunity you have with this tag, nor have the slightest understanding of what you are up against. On top of that you admit to limited elk hunting experience.

 I'm sure I am not alone in saying that I applaud you for wanting to do this on your own and with your buddies, this is commendable. What I have seen happen though is guys insisting on the DIY way, bust their asses just to get in there, shoot a small bull and waist 3/4 of it because they were ultimately unprepared and just wanted to get back out.

 These are the guys Bucklucky is referring to as well. Congrats on drawing the tag, its yours to do with as you please. Shooting a spike in there is also your prerogative and you shouldn't be judged for it if that is what you want to do. However, I really hope you do your "homework" as you posted earlier, and realize I wasn't kidding when I said you are not likely to draw this tag again in the next twenty years. I have no idea how old you are but think hard about that.

 We will all be wishing you well and following along, take lots of pics.

 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 26, 2011, 11:00:26 AM
I had this tag with rifle last year. To be honest I already forgot what method you have after reading 8 pages on my iPhone. I was in great shape and did my homework. I have done a lot of elk and deer hunting but nothing compared to what I found with this tag. I got married last summer and couldn't afford to pay the drop camp. Kind of pissed that one recommended sperm donation to me. If I had the money there would be no second thought about paying the drop camp. I went in to where I hunted numerous times. My group of man packers and I built our own camp out of tarps and did it all on our own. I got a foot of snow that started the night before it opened. I had no visibility for three days. Most of the season was lost due to the weather. I would recommend when the trail opens up parking at teepee and walk into lodgepole. Then think about making multiple trips with meat. This hunt can be a killer. Needless to say I ate my tag. I could of killed a couple bulls but passed on them. I was after a once in a life time bull and didn't get one. I did get a once in a life time hunt. It still makes me sick to this day not to fill the tag but as mtn cook told me afterwards I gave it a good shot. FYI I saw a 370 bull over 1000 yards away. We did see some nice bulls but when you have no visibility until noon and they are miles away how do you get them.

I know a guy that I ran into when scouting that had the archery tag and ate it because most of his help went home early. I will try to post some pics later as I can't do it on my iPhone.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 26, 2011, 11:05:54 AM
Look at my other posts if you don't believe me. I like to help people out.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 26, 2011, 11:10:24 AM
-Even with a drop camp I would think you would want 1 or 2 buddies to go in with you. There gear to get packed in is the same price as a tag holder so plan on spending around 2k minumum! Gives you something to think about before applying for acouple of these hunts..
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: FarBeyondDriven on June 26, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
Love this post!  I drew the same tag archery.  Burned 9 points and am going backpacking next weekend for the first time in that rugged country.  Just spent the last three days snow backpacking in the Selkirks and testing out new gear and hiking for conditioning.  I consider this to be a once-in-a-lifetime tag and will not squander this opportunity.  I have two more scouting trips planned with horses as well.  I live to archery elk hunt and will be looking for perhaps a unique bull or something (Lord willing).  Thank you everyone for the great info.  I cannot wait to tame the mountains, I own two crossfit gyms so being in shape for this hunt will be an absolute must and something I will make time for.  I hope to post my scouting progress here and on my traintohunt.com website.  Again, thanks for the useful info.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 26, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
Love this post!  I drew the same tag archery.  Burned 9 points and am going backpacking next weekend for the first time in that rugged country.  Just spent the last three days snow backpacking in the Selkirks and testing out new gear and hiking for conditioning.  I consider this to be a once-in-a-lifetime tag and will not squander this opportunity.  I have two more scouting trips planned with horses as well.  I live to archery elk hunt and will be looking for perhaps a unique bull or something (Lord willing).  Thank you everyone for the great info.  I cannot wait to tame the mountains, I own two crossfit gyms so being in shape for this hunt will be an absolute must and something I will make time for.  I hope to post my scouting progress here and on my traintohunt.com website.  Again, thanks for the useful info.

SOmething may have changed in the last few days but I don't think you can drive to the unit yet.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 26, 2011, 02:08:06 PM
.. I heard today from my Game Agent friend that he drove to Godman!!  That is good news, the road to Teepee is still plugged but should clear up fast.
mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Brushbuster on June 26, 2011, 03:12:49 PM
I 'm probably missing something but they keep telling me I'm old. You guys have 2 Bull Tags to fill! By going drop/guided you can maximize hunting time. You have a limited number of hunting days & weather, chores, packing meat, or accidents can all take away from the hunt. You'll be very appreciative when you have those 2 big boys down & now the work begins. For the outfitter!  Congrats on such awesome tags. Please keep us all in the loop.  :llam:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 26, 2011, 03:21:06 PM
With two tags and my experience in there that would be the only option. Go with mtn cook. When it opens go climb mt misery and you will get a taste of it.   
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 2legit2quit on June 26, 2011, 09:02:14 PM
congrats FBD on the tag, I follow your website and I know if anyone can do well in those mtns; it'll be you!  keep us posted on the scouting trip(s).
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 26, 2011, 09:14:29 PM
With two tags and my experience in there that would be the only option. Go with mtn cook. When it opens go climb mt misery and you will get a taste of it.

In case you didn't Know, you can drive to mt misery ; ). Jk
Yeah man go with a guide, people would pay thousands for the hunt you have in store in other states that allow outfitters more opportunities.  Good luck!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:25:38 PM
9 bills seems pretty cheap to me, methinks it'be a good investment, just in Dave's knowledge of the area, not to mention not having to blow your goat sack out once you kill one...
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Shawn Ryan on June 26, 2011, 11:02:52 PM
dhorn, personally, I'd pay for the drop camp.  But . . . in the late 70's my Dad took my 17 year old brother and me (age 14) on a week long, November back pack hunt in there for elk.  We entered from Three Forks near the Kessler Ranch.  We couldn't afford to hire Slim, the outfitter whose main camp was at the trail head. So it was DIY for us.  When Slim saw what my Dad was doing, he blew up and ripped my Dad up one side and down the other; according to Slim, Dad had no business bringing those two boys in there; Slim scorned my Dad and yelled that he'd be packing us out in a few days if we were still alive.

It snowed about a foot the first night.  We had good backpacking gear for the times: Gerry pads, REI down bags, SVEA 123 stove, and an Early Winters tent. My personal gear was Army surplus wool in size small.  It was darn cold, but for a 14 year old missing a week of school, it was crazy great.  Around mid-week, one of Slim's wranglers saw us on the pack trail up on Smooth Ridge as we made our way, mid-day towards another canyon to hunt.  Towards the end of the week, Slim saw Dad again and said maybe we were alright; he told Dad his wrangler had talked to us on Smooth Ridge and was surprised we were in that far (its not that far).  On the last day, we hunted the morning and then headed out.  Slim saw us on the trail along Crooked Creek hoofing along.  By then, he had some admiration for our grit and told my Dad he had some pretty tough kids.  Slim was hard as nails and was probably the toughest sob in the area, so a compliment from him was something.

In the 4 years that I joined my Dad on those Wenaha hunts, I never saw anyone else backpack hunt there.  We usually hunted with my Dad's friends who had horses; that year was the only year we didn't have stock.  We didn't kill an elk that year. Getting the meat out would have been tough, but I'm sure we would have done it.  You will, too, if you go DIY.

The point is, you can do it, if you choose to or if finances force you to.  I applied for that tag this year and if drawn, I'd be tempted to do it all myself solo.  But, I think I'd pay the drop camp price just to get more hours in hunting and less packing in and out.  If you want it, you can get the pack out experience on another hunt; the Wenaha East tag deserves as many of your resources--money and time--as you can throw at it.

However you choose to go, know that dozens of jealous hunters like me will be vicariously hunting that tag with you.  Hope your shoulders are broad enough to handle all of our expectations.  ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 27, 2011, 10:55:59 AM
Here is the average day on my rifle east wenaha hunt in 2010.  Keep in mind I am camped between Mcbain and Lodge Pole.  Wish I had the extra $900 last year. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 27, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
Nice day.  Good friends helping me look for a bull.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 27, 2011, 11:06:27 AM
Another pic.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 27, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
Taken in mid July from Teepee.  Picture does not do it justice on just how steep it is.  I have some more pics if needed just ask.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntnphish on June 27, 2011, 11:16:30 AM
Here you go Slayer
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 27, 2011, 11:34:04 AM
Thanks.  I really dont have a clue why it didnt do that to begin with.  I dont post many pictures and just figured out how to download off my iphone. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 27, 2011, 11:51:17 AM
.. I heard today from my Game Agent friend that he drove to Godman!!  That is good news, the road to Teepee is still plugged but should clear up fast.
mtncook
Skyline was open and dry to where I camp about 3 miles from Godman as of Sunday.  :twocents:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 27, 2011, 04:21:42 PM
that is great news i plan on going and doing some scouting july 16!! everything should be clear by then?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 27, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
should be good to go
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 27, 2011, 08:09:21 PM
does any body know if i will need the new discovery pass on top of my state parking permit to park up by tee pee campground?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 27, 2011, 08:15:05 PM
I would say yes.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 27, 2011, 08:45:33 PM
guess i better get ready to give mrs gregoire a few more dollars!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: ridgefire on June 27, 2011, 09:54:51 PM
i applied for the wenaha east archery tag this year and had i drawn it im pretty certain that i would have done a backpack hunt in there, just couldnt justify spending a grand to have someone else do my labor of love for me. fact of the matter is that if you get a bull down there is no other option than to get the meat back without spoilage. i have never hunted there but hunt some really steep country in idaho and wouldnt hesitate to do it there. if i had the tag with another hunter like you do then i would possibly reconsider because of the fact that you will be spending so much time packing one bull let alone two. watch the videos two weeks in purgatory and return to purgatory made by on foot films, they hunt that country but on the oregon side bivy style and manage to get their meat out. :dunno:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 27, 2011, 10:42:46 PM
You need the Northwest Forest parking pass to park at some of our trailheads.  That is issued through the forest service at $30 for a year or $5/day.  These passes are monitored closely and you will get a citation if illegally parked.  If you can find a place to park close that is safe no permit is required.  My base camp at Goose Corral is pretty close to Teepee and no permit is reguired there.

Shawn Ryan referring to Slim Stucker must be a few years older than me to have been in there at 14 as Slim has not been there for close to 40 years.


mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: nwhunter on June 27, 2011, 10:52:54 PM
Dave you got these guys on commission on here or what? nwhunter
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: nwhunter on June 27, 2011, 11:03:04 PM
Heres a pic of Dave packing out a bull from a hole that I wouldnt want to carry one out on my back from. Its also a pretty dang sketchy trail to ride a horse on that isn't a true mt horse. I prefer to walk rather than ride in those spots but after packing that bull down to the trail I was happy to sit in the saddle. This was an 08 archery bull from the east. nwhunter
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 27, 2011, 11:20:20 PM
page 8 has some good advise. Also those are great pics. Bottem line is do you have the money?
If i had extra money im sure i may pay for a drop camp, life just doesnt allow it right now.
i could get you all the way around right now in my 4 runner. You do have a dream tag dont waste it,i agree you may never get it again. Only you know what you can do or can afford.
On both sides there is great advice. The weather could be an issue as stated before. just be prepaired.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 27, 2011, 11:23:27 PM
I'm pretty happy to ride, it sure does my heart good to watch my mules do the work. At least we were on the trail.  One trip brings out all the meat, cape, antlers and hunters. By the time the guys connect on a big bull they are not wanting to spend much time beating themselves up packing meat for a couple days.  In this one day Scott left camp early to work on the meat, the hunter rode out with me, we did a little switch and went in on another trail to meet Scott and pack the meat.  All done by 4pm. 

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 27, 2011, 11:27:04 PM
more weather scenes
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 27, 2011, 11:31:31 PM
man mtncook those are cool pics, i love that stuff
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: tmike on June 27, 2011, 11:42:40 PM
Goose Corral. My uncle was Goose. Great country that I've never been into. Good luck. mtncook sounds like the man to hook up with.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 28, 2011, 04:44:19 AM
those are some really great photos on what to expect! i am sure i will more than likely have to turn to the use of horses for that hunt?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 28, 2011, 08:25:46 AM
I always though our vehicle pass trumped a fs pass and that was for people who didn't hunt or fish but want to bird watch or something. When did they change that?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 28, 2011, 08:35:04 AM
Great pictures MtCook!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 28, 2011, 08:46:30 AM
I always though our vehicle pass trumped a fs pass and that was for people who didn't hunt or fish but want to bird watch or something. When did they change that?

I'm fairly sure this is accurate...
The vehicle pass from WDFW is for WDFW land only. Has no bearing on other public land. Not sure anything's ever changed. At least not back as long as I've lived here which is not very long relatively speaking.
I could be wrong.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 28, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
you are right about that. just checked on it this morning!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Dan-o on June 28, 2011, 12:14:41 PM
Holy crap...   I just watched the video on page 7 (posted by Jackalope) and I'm experiencing huge amounts of sympathy soreness and aching!!!

I've done some elk pack outs in my time, but that dude looked like he was one tired/resolute/happy camper.

I just love how his buddy videoing him shows absolutely no sign of sympathy....    you shoot a bull that freaking big, you get to enjoy every single painful step of the trip out!

I think even as old and fat as I am, I'd have to shoot a bull that big no matter where I found myself. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 28, 2011, 12:29:26 PM
Pretty sure that the bull that Bowsnhose is packing out in the still pic is not even his bull.
 ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 28, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Pretty sure that the bull that Bowsnhose is packing out in the still pic is not even his bull.
 ;)

Thats my bull from the week before.

That guys buddy that was filming is his Dad and he is in pretty good shae for an old guy  :chuckle: Travis is a fire fighter and in some damn good shape. That is an easy pack compared to what the east will be. The pack on my bull was 2 1/2 miles and a pretty easy pack for alot of it but the first part sucked something fierce. I think Travises pack was a mile and a half if I remember right . At least there was a little down hill on Travises, mine was all up .
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Shawn Ryan on June 28, 2011, 07:08:03 PM
Mtncook,  That was 34 years ago by my counting.  Slim was old and slim by then--classic cowboy, but that was the only way I ever knew him.  I hope when I'm that old, I'm still charging as hard as he was.  Did you ever meet him or just hear the stories?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 28, 2011, 08:06:35 PM
I was packing for the outfitter with the adjoining permit.  Which Slim sold to.  Yes we heard some stories, but he was a straight operator.   

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 29, 2011, 08:31:41 AM
Well, this thread actually turned out pretty cool, with the horse packing pictures, big bulls being hauled out on dude's backs, scenery...
...in retrospect, I am glad that I didn't ruin it... :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: lukuss on June 29, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
Its pretty steep there
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 29, 2011, 08:48:34 AM
Steep, big, and (just to be clear, since I am pretty sure this has already been mentioned) what really makes it so intimidating is that it is a wilderness area, so there are no roads.  There are a lot of steep, nasty areas in Washington, but if you have a map and a little working knowledge of the area, you can walk up or down till you hit an old logging road, and then work your way out.  You can't do that in the Wenaha.  One you are in, there's only one way out. 
Up. :P

I am headed up there this afternoon with PathfinderJR to cut a load of wood.  I'll let you guys know how far we get... :dunno:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Elkpiss on June 29, 2011, 10:14:46 AM
I think i better chime in here, My dad, Brother and  I hunted it last year and to hunt it most effectively and time efficiant is with a packer to get you in and camp already set up and pack the meat out.. Like Deer Slayer said this is a no brainer, you have 2 elk to kill brother, there is no way in hell you will pack 2 elk out of the East time efficiantly and still have plenty of hunting time.. And I know when my dad seen the unit for the first time his balls dropped and thought he got in a little over his head and had MT Cook on the horn the next day.. He is 53, and  I told him this is your hunt and make it enjoyable as possible and drop camp was nice... The only country that has been the same or a little steeper that i have hunted is the Eagle Cap.. Good luck dude, but this is a No Brainer, Im sure you have already booked with MT COOK.. He is a good dude and packer, just dont stair at the Mule thats packing out the Kitchen.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Shawn Ryan on June 29, 2011, 10:47:08 AM
Mtncook,  From all I can tell, Slim was a straight-up kinda guy.  A man's man, who called it like he saw it.  My Dad and his friends enjoyed telling stories of his toughness.  I can't blame him for railing on my Dad at first; Slim had the kind of honesty that allowed him to take a position, then later say out load that he had been wrong in his initial opinion, and to take a new position without having been arrogant in the beginning.  He reminded me of my grand parents and great grandparents in that way.  That kind of honesty can evade a lot of people.  The fact that I remember him and his words 34 years later is a testament to his character.

In my apparent advancing age, I have found that time spent in rugged wilderness, like the Wenaha, tends to distill a man's character and you find out who you really are.  Shooting the bull of a lifetime deep in a Wenaha canyon on a hot September day would certainly put a guy's character and decision making to the test.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 29, 2011, 10:47:27 AM
I think i better chime in here, My dad, Brother and  I hunted it last year and to hunt it most effectively and time efficiant is with a packer to get you in and camp already set up and pack the meat out.. Like Deer Slayer said this is a no brainer, you have 2 elk to kill brother, there is no way in hell you will pack 2 elk out of the East time efficiantly and still have plenty of hunting time.. And I know when my dad seen the unit for the first time his balls dropped and thought he got in a little over his head and had MT Cook on the horn the next day.. He is 53, and  I told him this is your hunt and make it enjoyable as possible and drop camp was nice... The only country that has been the same or a little steeper that i have hunted is the Eagle Cap.. Good luck dude, but this is a No Brainer, Im sure you have already booked with MT COOK.. He is a good dude and packer, just dont stair at the Mule thats packing out the Kitchen.... :chuckle:
My dad went on one of the scouting trips with me.  He said the same thing.  Eagle Cap is the only thing that compares to it that he has hunted.  He even said that parts of the East are worse.  The part he is probably referring to is leaving from Teepee and climbing Mt Misery.  It just keeps pulling. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 29, 2011, 12:18:26 PM
I think i better chime in here, My dad, Brother and  I hunted it last year and to hunt it most effectively and time efficiant is with a packer to get you in and camp already set up and pack the meat out.. Like Deer Slayer said this is a no brainer, you have 2 elk to kill brother, there is no way in hell you will pack 2 elk out of the East time efficiantly and still have plenty of hunting time.. And I know when my dad seen the unit for the first time his balls dropped and thought he got in a little over his head and had MT Cook on the horn the next day.. He is 53, and  I told him this is your hunt and make it enjoyable as possible and drop camp was nice... The only country that has been the same or a little steeper that i have hunted is the Eagle Cap.. Good luck dude, but this is a No Brainer, Im sure you have already booked with MT COOK.. He is a good dude and packer, just dont stair at the Mule thats packing out the Kitchen.... :chuckle:
My dad went on one of the scouting trips with me.  He said the same thing.  Eagle Cap is the only thing that compares to it that he has hunted.  He even said that parts of the East are worse.  The part he is probably referring to is leaving from Teepee and climbing Mt Misery.  It just keeps pulling.


I spend quite a bit of time in the Eagle Cap and to me, the eastern portion of the wenaha is quite a bit tougher to navigate. 2 years ago we packed a deer 11 miles out of the eagle cap on our backs and it was by far a lot easier of a pack than packing one 8 miles out of the wenaha last year.

The majority of the wenaha involves packing "up" to get anything out.

oh yeah, Wastickslinger, I'm not the crazy one, my dad is. He's 54 and goes with me to pack even when he doesn't have a tag!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 12:30:46 PM
well i better get ready for a rough hunt! looks like we are doing it by foot!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 29, 2011, 12:38:56 PM
Good luck to you man. That is a great permit. I am sure you will never forget it.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on June 29, 2011, 12:50:09 PM
Good luck to you!  You'll for sure make some memories!  Good, bad or ugly: you'll never forget it.  You're certainly proving stubborn enough to pull off a good hunt.  This is the first thread to go 12 pages of one-sided advice and have the decision go the other way.  I'd be the same way; I may know it required an outfitter but would still apply even if I was Top Ramen broke just for the chance to prove everyone wrong.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Deer slayer on June 29, 2011, 02:27:17 PM
All I can say is wow with two tags that could equal two elk in the hole.  Aweson country and awesome elk.  Please get in their early and do an 8 to 10 mile hike and see what we are all talking about.  Walk from teepee to the end of yearling ridge with a heavy pack and see how you feel.  Then realize your two elk could come from one of those bottoms and you know have 10 plus trips to get elk and camp out.  Good luck and kill some big ones.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
Cool, Hopefully you get lucky. Keep us posted . I will be in there at some point during archery season hunting spikes with the wife  8)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 29, 2011, 03:28:14 PM
well i better get ready for a rough hunt! looks like we are doing it by foot!!!!!!

If this is your choice to go on your own, If there is a way to get some friends to hang out or be on call(stand by) that would be a big plus.
When i packed out my bull i was wishing i had someone with me at least, let alone someone who could help pack.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Elkpiss on June 29, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
Good luck dude, im guessing its a finacial thing cause i would put your pride aside, and i totally understand the finacial thing, but im a elk freak and have hunted some crazy $hit but to get a elk out of the east on you back in the snow possibly and 2 elk for that matter, may god be with you brother and im not religious... it will be a memorable hunt to say the least however you do your hunt..  :hello:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BENCHLEG on June 29, 2011, 04:24:41 PM
we all wish you luck. :tup: no guts no glory :yike:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 6x6in6 on June 29, 2011, 04:30:36 PM
Got to admit, you and your hunting partner have some serious stones to be doing this the hard way.  I commend you and wish you all the best.
When it's all said and done, success or no success, we want to hear the entire hunt story.

Good luck!!!  :)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 07:16:49 PM
i will definitely have some stories!!! good or bad..... but i really appreciate all the info i have gotten from each and every one of you!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: njc89 on June 29, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
I'm hoping to keep Dave busy packing my elk out of the E. Wenaha this year.  I too want to do it myself, but reality is what it is.  The country is nasty, elk are big, and tags are hard to come by.  I want to make the most of the opportunity, and figure that I'll be working as hard as I can stand anyway.  I sure wish everyone else in the area the best of luck.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
Are you doing the drop camp, furnished (cant remember what it was listed as)  camp or a guided camp njc89?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: njc89 on June 29, 2011, 07:46:58 PM
I will do a furnished drop camp if I find someone to to go along.  Otherwise, it will likely be guided.  I'm not into spending a whole week by myself.  I'm not that good of company...  The cost for the solo guided is pretty high though, so I have not pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Shawn Ryan on June 29, 2011, 08:26:15 PM
dhorn, Do you intend to backpack in or camp along a road?  Have you ever backpack hunted?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
we will have to scout it first! but i think we will backpack in and hunt it thats what it takes! i have backpack hunted. we hunted the glacier peak wilderness two years ago! we packed a bear out of there nine and a half miles. so i definitely know what to expect!! the terrain might overwhelm me a bit but my love for hunting will push me a little harder then.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dawnsnow on June 29, 2011, 08:50:07 PM
It sounds like the best thing to do in this situation is to actually go and see the area you will be hunting in.  Spend a weekend hiking in it and then assess your own abilities and limitations.  What may be an easy hunt to one may be a challenging hunt to another and what may be a challenging hunt to one may be an impossible hunt to another.  Remember that everyone is different and only YOU can decide which is the best way to for YOU to successfully hunt YOUR permit. 

I know from personal experience that when we attempt to do what others think we are unable to do or what we are afraid to try that we often amaze ourselves at our capabilities.  I think if you decide to do this hunt on your own ,(even if you have to humble yourself by asking for assistance that you previously thought unnecessary), that you will have not only a memorable hunt, but also a stronger sense of self and a strong sense of pride for attempting to do what others thought was not possible.

I commend you for being a hunter who is not afraid to hunt!  I have seen way too many people out there looking for a quick kill instead of a good hunt and an exhausting pack out.  I could never be proud of taking game that was not a challenge to me both mentally and physically.

The only way we learn and grow is to continue to challenge ourselves and the only way you will ever know your full potential is to push yourself a little further than you have before.  Good luck on your hunt!  Maybe someday I will be fortunate enough to draw such an awesome tag!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 08:52:49 PM
we will have to scout it first! but i think we will backpack in and hunt it thats what it takes! i have backpack hunted. we hunted the glacier peak wilderness two years ago! we packed a bear out of there nine and a half miles. so i definitely know what to expect!! the terrain might overwhelm me a bit but my love for hunting will push me a little harder then.

ANd ,multiply that pack by 5 times. Keep that in mind . Gona be an average of 100 pound meat packs.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 09:09:31 PM
we will have to scout it first! but i think we will backpack in and hunt it thats what it takes! i have backpack hunted. we hunted the glacier peak wilderness two years ago! we packed a bear out of there nine and a half miles. so i definitely know what to expect!! the terrain might overwhelm me a bit but my love for hunting will push me a little harder then.

ANd ,multiply that pack by 5 times. Keep that in mind . Gona be an average of 100 pound meat packs.

 bringing my food dehydrator with me. that should lighten the load!!!! jk
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
we will have to scout it first! but i think we will backpack in and hunt it thats what it takes! i have backpack hunted. we hunted the glacier peak wilderness two years ago! we packed a bear out of there nine and a half miles. so i definitely know what to expect!! the terrain might overwhelm me a bit but my love for hunting will push me a little harder then.

ANd ,multiply that pack by 5 times. Keep that in mind . Gona be an average of 100 pound meat packs.

 bringing my food dehydrator with me. that should lighten the load!!!! jk

I actually laughed out Loud on that one  :lol4:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Shawn Ryan on June 29, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
dhorn, I love your attitude.  You can definitely do this.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 09:20:28 PM
well i better be able to do it or i will have a hard time returning to this forum!!! and i do intend to post some pictures of dehydrated elk backstraps!!! :drool:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
Only Sissys dehydrate there meat to pack it out  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 09:25:53 PM
guess i better find a calf that scores 350 then!!!! :drool:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 09:26:43 PM
Id help pack if I wasnt so dang far away from the Blues . Its only a 6 hour drive for me.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 09:35:48 PM
i would have a cold beer waiting!!!! six hours aint that far to have a blast packing meat!! then i wouldnt have to drive the four hours to your shop to drop my horns and cape off!!! first class work there charlie i will definitely be bringing you the head to mount!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Timberstalker on June 29, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
This is a great thread!
Dhorn-keep this going.  This should be your follow along thread till you get that big bull!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 09:43:50 PM
Packin meat is most definately fun, and hurts at the same time  :chuckle:  I better post up a picture of a Blue Mountains 350 bull just to get you going  :chuckle:

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 09:49:32 PM
that will definitely get me going!!!!  :yike: ...... very nice!!!!! do ihave to pack it out whole if i want a life size mount?  :dunno:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 09:51:58 PM
Most definately   :chuckle: Personally if I was going to pack a bull out of there Id have a helicopter come in and pack it just like in New Zealand with the red stags  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
dont have any buddies with a helicopter?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 29, 2011, 09:58:20 PM
Negative, guess your just gona have to throw him on your back  :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 29, 2011, 10:00:15 PM
guess i better get my buddy on the steroids right now!!!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Elkpiss on June 30, 2011, 07:25:24 AM
we will have to scout it first! but i think we will backpack in and hunt it thats what it takes! i have backpack hunted. we hunted the glacier peak wilderness two years ago! we packed a bear out of there nine and a half miles. so i definitely know what to expect!! the terrain might overwhelm me a bit but my love for hunting will push me a little harder then.
  Try by 10X they have 2 Bulls to Kill..

ANd ,multiply that pack by 5 times. Keep that in mind . Gona be an average of 100 pound meat packs.. Unless you get that 350 inch Calf... haha, you got a good attitude man, I hope you kill a hog, and pack it out whole to get that life size mount..  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 30, 2011, 07:29:40 AM
that will definitely get me going!!!!  :yike: ...... very nice!!!!! do ihave to pack it out whole if i want a life size mount?  :dunno:

Yes, and don't dehydrate the meat either, the mount will look real skinny.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 08:02:51 AM
we could re hydrate it! the hide might be a little tough to flesh after that though! either way i am going to have a blast on this hunt!!! hopefully i have plenty of pictures when i get back home!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 08:08:03 AM
Definately take lots of pictures throughout the hunt . You wont regret it! Having a little HD Video camera is nice to get those shots of the bulls you passed up  8)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 30, 2011, 08:48:02 AM
I like your attitude dhorn.  Best of luck to you on your hunt. 
Forget the dehydrator; I have a buddy who's dad used to look down into some of the holes we hunted and say; "If you kill something down in there, don't come lookin' for me.  You little %$#@!'s better pack a fork...." :chuckle:

I have a buddy that drew this same tag (just found out the other day).  I think he is going to use a drop camp.  I was going to blow over there yesterday and see how close I could get to Teepee Springs, but PathfinderJR wanted to bring a buddy along with us and he had to be home by 5:00 so we cut wood closer to town.  I'll try to get up there later next week. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Daytonite on June 30, 2011, 08:51:27 AM
Road to Teepee was full at Godman on Friday.  Wife and I are backpacking this weekend from Panjab to Teepee, out to Oregon Butte, then to Indian Corral and down to Panjab.  Will let you know snow and trail conditions first part of next week
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 09:28:12 AM
hey thanks for the update on the snow situation daytonite i appreciate all the info.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 09:29:33 AM
I just heard a weather forcast calling for 2 feet of snow tonight in the Blues  :chuckle: That really sucks  :chuckle: JK!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 09:33:56 AM
lol..... guess i better get a pair of snow shoes along with that featherweight dehydrator!!!! :dunno: :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 09:38:22 AM
 :chuckle: 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 30, 2011, 09:39:27 AM
lol..... guess i better get a pair of snow shoes along with that featherweight dehydrator!!!! :dunno: :tup:

Actually, a set of snowshoes tucked behind the seat just in case isn't a bad idea... 8)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on June 30, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
Be sure you pick a camp spot close to a currant bush so you can plug that dehydrator in
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 30, 2011, 09:47:24 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on June 30, 2011, 10:11:14 AM
Your thread went from good advice to better advice.......
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 30, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Road to Teepee was full at Godman on Friday.  Wife and I are backpacking this weekend from Panjab to Teepee, out to Oregon Butte, then to Indian Corral and down to Panjab.  Will let you know snow and trail conditions first part of next week

That sounds like a great way to spend a weekend.
I'm green with envy.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on June 30, 2011, 10:52:47 AM
lol..... guess i better get a pair of snow shoes along with that featherweight dehydrator!!!! :dunno: :tup:

Actually, a set of snowshoes tucked behind the seat just in case isn't a bad idea... 8)

When is the hunt?
This pic was taken 11/20 last year. I know it's been posted on here a million times but it goes to show...you never know.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 30, 2011, 01:42:01 PM
Jackalope, I dig your Eric Cartman tag line about the hippies. :chuckle: :tup:  Stay away from Onion Creek... :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on June 30, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
The road to Teepee from Godman is open to my camp at Goose Corral.  Around the corner from GC still has drifts and more past Moolock Sp.   It is about a 30 minute walk from GC to TP, if you know the pack trail it is 20 minutes.   Be ready for alot of trees on the  loop up Turkey, the FS guys have been part way but the upper is not open.  I'm going down West Butte trail on Sat.  Hoping to make Rainbow Creek.

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
well sounds like there is still a little too much snow to enjoy the scenery.... so i think i better hold tight and go salmon fishing!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 30, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
well if i can get away for a day, we could take my 4 Runner. We could work out the fuel bill and see most all of it, if not all of it.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on June 30, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
Man I wish I had that tag.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: njc89 on June 30, 2011, 09:44:16 PM
hey Toyman, I'll be happy pitch in for gas if you are willing to drive up there.  Let me know.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 09:47:57 PM
Man I wish I had that tag.

Me too  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JPhelps on June 30, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Me too  :chuckle:
:yeah:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 30, 2011, 09:51:09 PM
i drive up there all the time, its been a few weeks because i was installing a locker and taking out the welded rearend. mabey we can get both of you and dhorn and we can make a trip out of it.
The only thing that would stop me would be a drift all the way across the road steeper than 45 degrees some of the time
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
Ah hell, let er'eat  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 09:55:35 PM
well i am definitely game for it!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
you already had your shot at it buck lucky.... and you made the most out of it!!! :yike:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
I still want that tag  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 10:01:22 PM
you cant get much bigger!!  :drool:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 30, 2011, 10:15:13 PM
so if were going to do it we need to get it planned, i need one day this weekend to get my rental ready for the new guy. I'm thinking saturday would work for me the best.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on June 30, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
let me make sure i can get it off first i will let you know in the morning. i will give you a call!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on June 30, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
ok sounds good, sunday might work but i would rather sat
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: walleye1 on July 01, 2011, 09:05:34 PM
you need to catch that hay burner you bought and get him in shape so you can pack my bull out
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 01, 2011, 10:37:14 PM
well so far this weekend didnt work out, well try again later.
may still go up just to take some pics and glass around
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: walleye1 on July 02, 2011, 07:32:40 AM
dhorn are you the guy who shot that huge buck in the entiat afew years back if so im sure you will kill a real nice bull
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 02, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
well i decided to get me a new pair of hiking boots for the hunt!!! what do you guys think?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 02, 2011, 01:49:54 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 02, 2011, 02:08:16 PM
now i just need to learn to break him!!!!!  :yike:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 02, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
might still be a week or 2 before you can make it to table rock, everything else is wide open.
the over all steepness wasnt so bad but the first part to get on that drift would have put me to the limit.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: runamuk on July 02, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
wow a little snow still....
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 02, 2011, 10:00:01 PM
that would put any rig to the limit. think it will be clear by the 16th?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 02, 2011, 11:43:00 PM
yea should be, or close enough to be able to hang on the edge to get around. i could see about 4 or so other drifts that big or bigger.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 03, 2011, 10:42:51 AM
that would put any rig to the limit. think it will be clear by the 16th?

Access is great for your unit.  That drift is a ways from where you need to be.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: njc89 on July 03, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
got the actual special hunt permit in the mail today.  Guess the good news is official now...
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 03, 2011, 12:17:39 PM
my tag came in also yesterday.. it is definitely official!!!!!!!!! now the long wait for the hunt!!!!!
 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Caseyd on July 03, 2011, 12:40:24 PM
my tag came in also yesterday.. it is definitely official!!!!!!!!! now the long wait for the hunt!!!!!

Plenty of work to be done..it will go quick
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 04, 2011, 08:28:41 AM
that would put any rig to the limit. think it will be clear by the 16th?

Access is great for your unit.  That drift is a ways from where you need to be.

unless im missing somthing, everything to the left is the unit he can hunt till it hits Oregon.
Everything to the right is watershed
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 04, 2011, 09:50:19 AM
That would be wenaha west. He's gonna be several miles to the east. The west is only about 1/2 as rugged as the east, if that. It is thicker though.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 04, 2011, 11:01:33 AM
oh yea my bad, sorry was thinking backwards. well crap i need to rethink what i was thinking
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on July 04, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
oh yea my bad, sorry was thinking backwards. well crap i need to rethink what i was thinking
:dunno:
Kind of like taking the lockers out when you need to get up the stairs to get over the snowdrift in the elevator in the outhouse?  No matter how you think it through it can't work.

Interested to see how your horse likes the Wenaha area dhorn.  I do suggest a good lead rope for the majority of it except for the trails that are on the maps and then for a part of them until you and the horse are confident in what it can do.  It's tough country, but a little break in period should get you both off and running toward a successful hunt.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 04, 2011, 06:09:52 PM
break in definitely.... we plan on taking them in a couple times before the hunt! make sure they know what they are doing!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Daytonite on July 04, 2011, 06:55:28 PM
Heck of a trip.  From panjab TH up turkey creek to teepee was clear for the first half, then A LOT of downfall.  Would recommend waiting till trail crew has been through. 

From Teepee to Oregon Butte:  Once again heavy blowdown and 2-3ft of snow in the trees.  Ridge lines are bare.

Oregon Butte to Indian Corral.  Not too bad except through the saddles where it burned.  This area has a lot of blowdown, but rest of trail was ok.

Indian Corral down to Panjab:  Not bad, maybe 2 dozen trees down (which was good compared to rest of the trip). 

None of the trails are open for stock, but if you don't mind climbing over and under a lot, you can make it.  I will wait for trail crews to go through in the future.

Saw about a dozen elk (all cows) two large mule deer (4 and 5pt) and one little 2pt.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 04, 2011, 09:13:51 PM
thank you very much for the update daytonite i really appreciate it. i was thinking weekend after next for taking the first scouting trip up there. hopefully it will be better by then. looking to take the horses up there in august sometime.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on July 04, 2011, 09:21:05 PM
When you take stock into this country you will have to care for them first.  They must be fed and watered before you go hunting.  You will have to pack feed in for them as you will not find enough grass to satisfy their needs.  Grazing they need about 3 good hours to find enough where the grass is good.  That is 6 hours per day hanging onto your good lead rope to only give your horse minimal care.  If you have not handled stock in rough country before please for the animals benefit get some help.  This advice is for the sake of your animals,  I have seen this before and feel complelled for the animal to voice a little advice.   Be sure you can recognize a few horse health  problems before they become serious.

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Daytonite on July 04, 2011, 09:42:47 PM
 :yeah:

It definitely looks different this time of year vs. August when you packed us in for work Dave.  Did you make Rainbow this weekend?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on July 04, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
Saturday we cleared trail just short of Rainbow.  I have a group of 6 going in July 15. I firured you would have trouble at the top of Panjab.  Until the nights stay good and warm that packed heavy snow will lay there.  I have another way up on top, I'll try it this coming week. Plan on packing a saw all year, I usually get by with an axe this late.  Thanks Mike for the report.

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 08, 2011, 10:06:57 PM
cant wait until next weekend.. first weekend available to get up and scout the area!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on July 08, 2011, 11:06:39 PM
Have fun!  Bring an axe and a misery whip (crosscut) if you plan on bringing the horses.  There'll be plenty you'll not be able to get around, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2011, 12:22:15 AM
Agreed on the amount of care for your horse.  I have done pack hunts myself with a buddy in the Bob Marshall.  It takes a lot of effort to take care of the stock once the snow falls.  We always grazed for a couple of hours midday, and packed some pellets to supplement with.

Also, not every horse has a mind for the mountains.  I'd highly recommend you find out if yours does before you embark on your hunt.  If you don't know how to teach a horse to pack, find someone who does.  Basically, you have to teach them to tolerate about anything from a slipped saddle, to an antler tine poking them, and anything in between.  I've seen some really good wrecks that resulted from a dumb packhorse (a few of my own included).

Mtncook, those are some great pictures and a very nice looking string of mules.

Dhorn, best of luck on your hunt.  The Wenaha is phenomenal country.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 09, 2011, 05:25:15 AM
the horse i purchased has been in the mountains the last four years. and the guy i purchased him from said that he is a very calm horse in most situations. thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on July 09, 2011, 08:35:59 AM
His name's not "Buck", is it.... :chuckle: :chuckle:

"Widowmaker....?
Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 09:35:01 AM
Congrats on the tag. If it were me I would hire the outfitter that is offering drop camp hunts for $900 a piece only because of the time of year and the limited time to get two bulls down and out. However, I do a backpacking bow hunt every year in MT that is at least as difficult of terrain. (I'm not going to say what mountain range) It can be done but you need to be prepared (ie. the right gear and being in very good shape). My dad is 56 and does it right there with me every year. But he is a timber cruiser that is tougher than nails. I will say that his time is limited unfortunately.

Send me a PM with your email and I will send you my 10 day backpacking hunt list. I have a spreadsheet with the exact weights down to the hundredth of an ounce and a list without. I will say that I have a ton of money into my gear and due to the time of year you are going to have a heavier pack.

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread about getting an elk out of the backcountry. If you are 2 miles or more back, just bone out your elk. You are only talking about 3 trips for two guys if you are taking the cape. And two trips if you are doing an antler or Euro mount. You are not required to take neck and rib meat, and if you don't, that's about 175-225 lbs. of boned out meat for a mature bull, plus the antlers and cape.

Did I say you are really going to want to get in shape? I carry an 80 lbs. pack every day for about 2.3 miles to get ready. I start on June 1st and by the end of July my body is as tough as nails. In August, I like to alternate days running and packing the pack. The rest is all mental. The above is just a tip for getting ready for your hunt since your time is running out. =)

Below are two bulls we killed two days apart in 2008 and had no problem getting them out from 5 and 7 miles back. The elevation ranged from 8,500' to 6,000'. And it's 70 degrees midday with nighttime lows in the 20s. Much more difficult conditions in terms of meat spoilage.

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Good luck on your hunt! Time to start getting physically prepared since you choose the hard way. =)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 09, 2011, 10:37:06 AM
Wow, your mature bulls have small bodies there slim, and leaving meat is  pretty piss poor advice. A guy has too plan for the worst case scenario when hunting those bulls and telling somebody a mature bull will only have 175 - 225 pounds of boned out meat is absolutely rediculas. My dink Roosie, non mature bull with a small bodie had more meat than that. Looks  like you just added to the misinformation  8)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 50CalJim on July 09, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
 :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: If your willing to go deep to kill an Elk you must be willing to pack all the meat out also!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2011, 11:16:42 AM
Wow, your mature bulls have small bodies there slim, and leaving meat is  pretty piss poor advice. A guy has too plan for the worst case scenario when hunting those bulls and telling somebody a mature bull will only have 175 - 225 pounds of boned out meat is absolutely rediculas. My dink Roosie, non mature bull with a small bodie had more meat than that. Looks  like you just added to the misinformation  8)

I think 225 pounds of boned meat from a 4-5 year old Rocky Mtn bull is quite reasonable.

Not all states require you to take neck and rib meat, which might only add 20-30 pounds or so anyway.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 09, 2011, 11:40:16 AM
Obviousely my point was missed  :chuckle: I dodnt say that you will only have that much meat but a big bidied mature bull can sway those scales quite a bit higher than what he had posted. If somebody goes in thinking thats all the meat they will have to pack and plan on only a couple hundred pounds and end up with 400 + your looking at alot heavier loads. Plan for the worst not the average.
Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 11:45:19 AM
Wow, your mature bulls have small bodies there slim, and leaving meat is  pretty piss poor advice. A guy has too plan for the worst case scenario when hunting those bulls and telling somebody a mature bull will only have 175 - 225 pounds of boned out meat is absolutely rediculas. My dink Roosie, non mature bull with a small bodie had more meat than that. Looks  like you just added to the misinformation  8)

Look. I didn't post to start a fight, but we need to clear this up...

I have killed 7 elk (and packed out about 20) and my dad had killed nearly 40. I think you are questioning the wrong person. How many Rocky Mountain bulls have your killed?

A 3-year old Olympic Peninsula Roosevelt bull is as large as any Rocky Mountain bull I have ever seen dead. My bull from last year shown below had roughly 20-30 lbs. more meat than either of the two mature Rocky Mountain bulls pictured above. The body size of this young bull put to shame the size of my MT bull from two years earlier.

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Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 11:47:35 AM
Obviousely my point was missed  :chuckle: I dodnt say that you will only have that much meat but a big bidied mature bull can sway those scales quite a bit higher than what he had posted. If somebody goes in thinking thats all the meat they will have to pack and plan on only a couple hundred pounds and end up with 400 + your looking at alot heavier loads. Plan for the worst not the average.

You have to be kidding. We are taking about boned out meat here. No neck meat, no rib meat. Just the 4 quarters, backstraps and tenders. Are you really saying that you think there is a Rocky Mountain bull with 400 lbs. of meat from these areas? Lol.

Have you ever actually weighed your meat or are you just estimating?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2011, 12:07:09 PM
Obviousely my point was missed  :chuckle: I dodnt say that you will only have that much meat but a big bidied mature bull can sway those scales quite a bit higher than what he had posted. If somebody goes in thinking thats all the meat they will have to pack and plan on only a couple hundred pounds and end up with 400 + your looking at alot heavier loads. Plan for the worst not the average.

You have to be kidding. We are taking about boned out meat here. No neck meat, no rib meat. Just the 4 quarters, backstraps and tenders. Are you really saying that you think there is a Rocky Mountain bull with 400 lbs. of meat from these areas? Lol.

Have you ever actually weighed your meat or are you just estimating?

400 lbs of boned meat would translate to a 1000 lb live weight.  Your average quarter horse is only about 1100 or so.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JPhelps on July 09, 2011, 12:13:30 PM
I don't think it is a good idea going into a hunt planning on leaving the neck and rib meat.
As far as questioning Charlie. :bdid:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntbear on July 09, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
Obviousely my point was missed  :chuckle: I dodnt say that you will only have that much meat but a big bidied mature bull can sway those scales quite a bit higher than what he had posted. If somebody goes in thinking thats all the meat they will have to pack and plan on only a couple hundred pounds and end up with 400 + your looking at alot heavier loads. Plan for the worst not the average.

You have to be kidding. We are taking about boned out meat here. No neck meat, no rib meat. Just the 4 quarters, backstraps and tenders. Are you really saying that you think there is a Rocky Mountain bull with 400 lbs. of meat from these areas? Lol.

Have you ever actually weighed your meat or are you just estimating?

400 lbs of boned meat would translate to a 1000 lb live weight.  Your average quarter horse is only about 1100 or so.



Plus, you have to figure in head/horns & cape as well. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2011, 12:23:37 PM
I'll be the first to admit I know absolutely NOTHING about Rosies, other than they are bigger that Rockies.  I worked at a check station for a season weighing elk (Rockies).  I never saw anything remotely close to a 900-1000 lb bull, and I weighed some good ones.  I always asked people to guess the weight before I hoisted the elk (lots of whole cows) and they would pretty consistenly shoot about 100 lbs or more high.

Personally, I usually take most if not all of the neck meat.  I'm not going to lose sleep over 5-10 lbs of rib meat.

Maybe Dave can weigh in here?  Mtncook, how much do the quarters average that you pack out?  I'm guessing Dave doesn't need more than two mules to get out an elk.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on July 09, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
The thought has never even crossed my mind to leave any meat.  The big cow I shot last year with my bow had 104# of steaks and 145# of hamburger, and I've taken bulls which were larger in body size.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 09, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I do weight most of my meat on scales when I can.  The little Roosie I killed last year had 65 pound Hind quarters, 35 pound shoulders all bone in, boned meat from the tiny neck, backstraps, tenderloins, and ribs  was 65 pounds, thats 265 with bone in the quarters and shoulder. AFter I cut up my meat I weighed the bones and had 30 pounds so I had 235 pounds of bones meat off a bull that was tiny in comparison to my blues bull and Travises . 30% of elk in the blues have Roosevelt blood in them and it shows. A big mature bull like the ones Travis (Bowsandhose)  and I killed in the blues were bigger than any Roosie Kill I have been on. Bone in quarters on those BIG bulls were right about 85-90 pounds. Take those quarters and double it and that is going to be a ball park for the boned out meat off the neck , ribs, backstrap, and tenderloins. The shoulders are roughly half of a hind quarter in weight bone in. So thats 450 pounds, subtract approxiately 50 pounds for the leg bones and you got 400. In all reality the bones dont weight that much. I know that average Rockies are pretty small compared to the roosies mature bull wise but those bulls in the blues are gigantic for the most part, not all are huge body wise but man, get one down and you'll *censored* your pants !

Dont quote me on this but my buddy killed a Montana bull last year and the quarters and boned meat was in that mid 400 pound range. I will ask him to be positive.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on July 09, 2011, 01:02:09 PM
Boys I had  couple paragraphs typed and sent but somehow it did not make it. That was probably good as I started venting.  I'm not here to tell anyone how to do this hunt.  I just know what I've done in the past and seen happen.  In 2009 a mature bull boned hinds were 78lbs and 81lbs.  Unless you skull plate the head and seperate the cape from the antlers that unit is another 80 minimum on a big bull.  My mules appreciate caped and skull plated loads.   Anyone can hunt this unit for one day hard but do it for a week and get 2 bulls down and you had better be real tough.  Oh and remember this is rifle season and knee deep snow has happened.  Remember to go get your camp after you have packed all that meat.  Deer Slayer told of his time here where the weather hit hard.  I have the upmost respect for the game, my stock and the country.  I do this job because I enjoy the planning, scouting, hunt and the success. I appreciate all the support form hunters I have only known online through this forum. They too have the respect  for this unit.  The video of packing that head was a reality for many,  impossible for some.  I'll attach a picture of a packstring loaded with what it takes for 2 hunters for a week hunt. This includes a wall tent, stove, their food, clothes,tools and other gear.  They had no stock to keep in camp. 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
Everything is a good idea until reality hits.  I've been there, and been thoroughly humbled when I realized I had bit off way more than I could chew.  I've also been on some epic adventures that were a result of the same ambition.

Dhorn, I'd fully recommend that you load up your pack and spend about four or five days hiking the unit.  Only then will you really know how to accurately judge your capabilities.  Be realistic in how far you can physically go.  Don't let fear limit you, but on the flip side don't let dreamy thoughts impair your judgement.

FWIW, I'm in pretty darned good shape, and have been thinking of bowhunting this unit.  I have also strongly considered using Dave's services to pack meat if I killed something.  Where two of you have tags that you'll likely never draw again, I'd sell the horse you just bought and do a drop camp.  Whatever you choose, best of luck.  PM me if you need help getting started with your pack horse.
Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 02:45:46 PM
I do weight most of my meat on scales when I can.  The little Roosie I killed last year had 65 pound Hind quarters, 35 pound shoulders all bone in, boned meat from the tiny neck, backstraps, tenderloins, and ribs  was 65 pounds, thats 265 with bone in the quarters and shoulder. AFter I cut up my meat I weighed the bones and had 30 pounds so I had 235 pounds of bones meat off a bull that was tiny in comparison to my blues bull and Travises . 30% of elk in the blues have Roosevelt blood in them and it shows. A big mature bull like the ones Travis (Bowsandhose)  and I killed in the blues were bigger than any Roosie Kill I have been on. Bone in quarters on those BIG bulls were right about 85-90 pounds. Take those quarters and double it and that is going to be a ball park for the boned out meat off the neck , ribs, backstrap, and tenderloins. The shoulders are roughly half of a hind quarter in weight bone in. So thats 450 pounds, subtract approxiately 50 pounds for the leg bones and you got 400. In all reality the bones dont weight that much. I know that average Rockies are pretty small compared to the roosies mature bull wise but those bulls in the blues are gigantic for the most part, not all are huge body wise but man, get one down and you'll *censored* your pants !

Dont quote me on this but my buddy killed a Montana bull last year and the quarters and boned meat was in that mid 400 pound range. I will ask him to be positive.

You may be be right about the elk in the Blues having Roosevelt blood. I have never heard that but I know a lot of them were transplanted to other places. The Gila elk that I have hunted have very large bodies compared to any other Rocky Mountain elk I have seen and I read somewhere that they were Roosevelt transplants. Who knows if it's true. If you are right, they could definitely be 20-30% bigger than a typical Rocky Mountain bull. I would say that 800 lbs. is a huge Rocky bull.

I have seen 400+ lbs. of boned out meat come off of one Roosevelt bull. He was killed way up on the Peninsula and shot from the road by a friend of my dad's. That was basically every piece of meat on his body since he was pulled out whole with a spool and butchered in his garage. If it didn't weight 1000 lbs. on the hoof I would be surprised and it must have been 8-9 years old. Roosevelt's typically only get that large up on the Northern part of Olympic Penninsula and Vancouver Island. The elk I have killed in the SW corner of the state seem to be closer to typical Rocky Mountain size. My partner's smallish 5x5 from 2008 probably only weighed 450 lbs. total weight, maybe less. I think I recall the hind quarters being about 60-65 lbs. with the bone.

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Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 09, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
I agree Slim!! That 30% Roosevelt came from Pat Fowler the Biologist that just retired from F@W. He said 1 of 2 things happened , either there were elk transplantred on the Oregon side that had roosie blood or they came down the columbia gorge at some point. Thats interesting about the Gila.

Is that a Hawkeye Built cart by chance??
Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
I agree Slim!! That 30% Roosevelt came from Pat Fowler the Biologist that just retired from F@W. He said 1 of 2 things happened , either there were elk transplantred on the Oregon side that had roosie blood or they came down the columbia gorge at some point. Thats interesting about the Gila.

Is that a Hawkeye Built cart by chance??

Yes it is. It has had a busy life. I remember the day I drove down to Wayne's house near Clatskanie and bought it. (I think that was his name) He was a super nice guy and had recently gotten injured on the job logging. It's too bad he couldn't make his fortune selling carts. We talked about hunting for about an hour. Him and his son are some elk killers too. Lol
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 09, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
I agree Slim!! That 30% Roosevelt came from Pat Fowler the Biologist that just retired from F@W. He said 1 of 2 things happened , either there were elk transplantred on the Oregon side that had roosie blood or they came down the columbia gorge at some point. Thats interesting about the Gila.

Is that a Hawkeye Built cart by chance??

Yes it is. It has had a busy life. I remember the day I drove down to Wayne's house near Clatskanie and bought it. (I think that was his name) He was a super nice guy and had recently gotten injured on the job logging. It's too bad he couldn't make his fortune selling carts. We talked about hunting for about an hour. Him and his son are some elk killers too. Lol

I always wanted to buy one of them carts but never wanted to spend the money bad enough. I thought they were about as good as a cart could get for hauling meat!!
Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 09:59:20 PM
I agree Slim!! That 30% Roosevelt came from Pat Fowler the Biologist that just retired from F@W. He said 1 of 2 things happened , either there were elk transplantred on the Oregon side that had roosie blood or they came down the columbia gorge at some point. Thats interesting about the Gila.

Is that a Hawkeye Built cart by chance??

Yes it is. It has had a busy life. I remember the day I drove down to Wayne's house near Clatskanie and bought it. (I think that was his name) He was a super nice guy and had recently gotten injured on the job logging. It's too bad he couldn't make his fortune selling carts. We talked about hunting for about an hour. Him and his son are some elk killers too. Lol

I always wanted to buy one of them carts but never wanted to spend the money bad enough. I thought they were about as good as a cart could get for hauling meat!!

If I recall correctly, it was my college graduation present from my pops in 2007. I was very lucky to get it. I think he liked the idea of making our long meat hauls easier. The thing has been a godsend. You can see that even though it's a small bull, the thing handles a full elk like nothing.

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Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on July 09, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
Well from my perspective the very hardest part of your hunt is already over. Drawing the tag :chuckle:!  All kidding aside, its rugged country, i have spent some limited time there but what I have seen i fell in love with. IMHO you will either love it or hate it. Better hope for the former. Never been there during gun season, so no info on that. If you kill a mature bull in that unit you will be carrying a significant amount of meat, neck and rib meat or not, don't kid your self a mature bull is heavy!! A ton of great info has been posted in this thread so far and I have learned alot. Im not giving advice, just my own perspective. I consider myself a very die hard DIY hunter. But made the decision long ago that given the opportunity in this unit I would hire an outfitter drop camp. Hands down no questions asked, (The info about mtcook has been awesome from that aspect). Not because the area is so rugged, or I was afraid of meat spoilage. But because I want to live the dream. To wake up in a canvas wall tent, on a cot, with a stove. (Not a sub 3 pound tent, and jetboil ) Cook real coffee, biscuits and gravy, bacon and eggs, ( instead of via instant coffe and oatmeal). To come back to lanterns, firewood, and a dinner of steak and potatoes, maybe a drink ( headlamp and mountain house, no booze). And finally to watch a pack string loaded down with antlers and meat hauling my 400 incher out of the woods ( hey I said it was a dream) down the trail, the smell of horse sweat and leather, the creak of saddles and striking hooves on the trail. ( not the constant mantra of " are we there yet", and knowing when we get "there" we will be heading right back for round two, or calling in some rodeo ponies to "pack"lol). Knowing all is well and not wanting it to end. I guess what im saying is that, truly this could be a OIL tag. with real opportunity to shoot a BIG bull and I dont mean 300 inch big, think BIG. I LOVE backpack hunting, everything in parantheses is played out every september for me and I wouldnt have it any other way. But with this tag I would reward myself, live the fantasy, besides you can always spike out for a night or two, if your just getting to "comfortable" :chuckle:. Im not trying to change yer mind, just giving the perspective of a guy who has wrestled with the same thoughts of DIY vs DC. I wish ya the best of luck dhorn, kill some studs. And if possible get some pics up of some horses packing out some heavy bone, I get off on that $hit.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 09, 2011, 10:33:02 PM
well hopefully i get to post some pictures of that on here!!! either way at the end of the hunt i am going to realize why i have been putting in for this tag for so long!!!
Title: wenaha east tag
Post by: slim9300 on July 09, 2011, 11:11:41 PM
Well from my perspective the very hardest part of your hunt is already over. Drawing the tag :chuckle:!  All kidding aside, its rugged country, i have spent some limited time there but what I have seen i fell in love with. IMHO you will either love it or hate it. Better hope for the former. Never been there during gun season, so no info on that. If you kill a mature bull in that unit you will be carrying a significant amount of meat, neck and rib meat or not, don't kid your self a mature bull is heavy!! A ton of great info has been posted in this thread so far and I have learned alot. Im not giving advice, just my own perspective. I consider myself a very die hard DIY hunter. But made the decision long ago that given the opportunity in this unit I would hire an outfitter drop camp. Hands down no questions asked, (The info about mtcook has been awesome from that aspect). Not because the area is so rugged, or I was afraid of meat spoilage. But because I want to live the dream. To wake up in a canvas wall tent, on a cot, with a stove. (Not a sub 3 pound tent, and jetboil ) Cook real coffee, biscuits and gravy, bacon and eggs, ( instead of via instant coffe and oatmeal). To come back to lanterns, firewood, and a dinner of steak and potatoes, maybe a drink ( headlamp and mountain house, no booze). And finally to watch a pack string loaded down with antlers and meat hauling my 400 incher out of the woods ( hey I said it was a dream) down the trail, the smell of horse sweat and leather, the creak of saddles and striking hooves on the trail. ( not the constant mantra of " are we there yet", and knowing when we get "there" we will be heading right back for round two, or calling in some rodeo ponies to "pack"lol). Knowing all is well and not wanting it to end. I guess what im saying is that, truly this could be a OIL tag. with real opportunity to shoot a BIG bull and I dont mean 300 inch big, think BIG. I LOVE backpack hunting, everything in parantheses is played out every september for me and I wouldnt have it any other way. But with this tag I would reward myself, live the fantasy, besides you can always spike out for a night or two, if your just getting to "comfortable" :chuckle:. Im not trying to change yer mind, just giving the perspective of a guy who has wrestled with the same thoughts of DIY vs DC. I wish ya the best of luck dhorn, kill some studs. And if possible get some pics up of some horses packing out some heavy bone, I get off on that $hit.

Sweet, but odd post. I felt like I could have been talking and not you. Lol. I think your reasoning is dead on. Makes me want to start putting in for a multi-season tag every year so I can simply put in for the Eastside units with my 10 points. I did that 3 years back, but no luck. =)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Green Lantern on July 10, 2011, 12:03:17 AM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 10, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
dhorn, DON'T sell the horses!  Your wife would probably skin you and hang you for bear bait!  Definitely be prepared for complete and utter exhaustion, but remember the difference between hunting and killing.  Killing is the easy part.  The good stories and the memories don't come from "Yeah, I got a drop camp and walked 1 mile and shot a huge bull and then waited for the guy to pack me out".  The good stories come from all the pain, suffering and hard work you endured while being a true hunter and putting in the work to truly appreciate the bull you harvest.  Definitely don't look at this hunt through rose colored glasses...it's great that before you make a concrete decision on how to do this hunt that you are taking several trips to the area to see for yourself.  Once you assess the country and the terrain and your own abilities you will be better able to make the decision that suits you!  Good luck to you and don't forget...your wife LOVES packing out game (I hear it's her second favorite part of hunting) so I'm sure she will help if you need it!


Good advice, dhorn just remember everything on here is just that. This is your tag it is your choice DIY or DC. eather way make the very best of it. like i have said be prepared and ready for alot of hard work. like some have said you cant get into enough shape, same goes for the horse also.
Only you can weed through the BS and grab the advice you want, alot of us will live it through you.
To me it just seems some on here have alot to gain for sevices(nothing really wrong with that) just bugs me the way its pushed.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 10, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
dhorn, DON'T sell the horses!  Your wife would probably skin you and hang you for bear bait!  Definitely be prepared for complete and utter exhaustion, but remember the difference between hunting and killing.  Killing is the easy part.  The good stories and the memories don't come from "Yeah, I got a drop camp and walked 1 mile and shot a huge bull and then waited for the guy to pack me out".  The good stories come from all the pain, suffering and hard work you endured while being a true hunter and putting in the work to truly appreciate the bull you harvest.  Definitely don't look at this hunt through rose colored glasses...it's great that before you make a concrete decision on how to do this hunt that you are taking several trips to the area to see for yourself.  Once you assess the country and the terrain and your own abilities you will be better able to make the decision that suits you!  Good luck to you and don't forget...your wife LOVES packing out game (I hear it's her second favorite part of hunting) so I'm sure she will help if you need it!


Good advice, dhorn just remember everything on here is just that. This is your tag it is your choice DIY or DC. eather way make the very best of it. like i have said be prepared and ready for alot of hard work. like some have said you cant get into enough shape, same goes for the horse also.
Only you can weed through the BS and grab the advice you want, alot of us will live it through you.
To me it just seems some on here have alot to gain for sevices(nothing really wrong with that) just bugs me the way its pushed.

Also the expectation that he should use the tag the way someone else would.  It's his tag.  If he has a fun hunt and isn't disappointed with whatever the end result is, then the tag wasn't "wasted". 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on July 10, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
Hopefully everyone is getting the point  a lot of the posters were trying to make. A lot of the posts were in an attempt to get across what that country is like. A lot of folks can pack a bull out 3 miles in in a lot of country. If you're not familiar with what the country in dhorn's unit is like, you can really get yourself into trouble as far as getting meat out, getting snowed in or out, etc. This is big country at fairly high elevation in November in a roadless area. A guy even with a lot of experience can get into trouble quick. Let's say 2 guys 3 miles in 3 trips a piece. That's 18 miles round trip per person over the course of a day or 2 at the most and they have 2 tags carrying what amounts to close to 100# per trip plus your camp. Not a lot of people can do that. So figure 36 miles round trip best case scenario(if you want to call it that) with close to 100 pounds on your back for half of that. Not everyone can do that. I'd be surprised if a lot of guys, me included, could do that over the course of a few days with 40 pounds on their backs...and I really mean me included.
DHorn...I hope you kill the bull of a lifetime. I hope you have the time of your life, and I hope you don't leave meat on the mountain. I hope the bull you kill is all you're hoping for, even if you are only hoping for a 300" bull. It's your hunt, do with it as you see fit. I saw 1st hand what that country can do if it decides to spit snow for a couple days in November last year. I couldn't even get to the  Teepee trailhead and I was in a 4x4 truck with 4 chains and no stock trailer.

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on July 10, 2011, 09:21:48 PM
20 pages of dang good advice from both sides of the aisle and still going.  That puts this thread at the #4 position all time in the elk hunting section for number of replies and about to take over the #3 slot from the "Tribes" thread.  I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of jealous people on here who really do wish you the best on your hunt!  Don't think of it as pressure, because that'll just drive you nuts and ruin your experience: just ask "Wapiti-whatever his name was" that had a Nooksack tag a couple years ago.  Instead, think of being the guy who gets to tell us all how it went: good, bad and ugly.  Many of us would love the chance to kill ourselves mentally and physically in that area trying to make some good memories.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 10, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
didnt think it would go this far but i am thankful for hearing the advice from both sides it really is going to prepare me for anything. and trust me good bad or ugly i will definitely share the stories with all of you!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 10, 2011, 09:46:09 PM
Im looking forward to the storie, hopefully I hear it directly from dhorn!! Thats alwasy better to hear it in person!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rtspring on July 10, 2011, 09:56:06 PM
It is your hunt, Do it as you see fit and take any advice that may help you. At the end of the day it is all on what you want to experience.

I have been in this area long ago as a teenager with really good legs and strong as hell. Man those friggin hills will kill most men.

I offer you good luck and hope your dreams come true, can't wait to hear the stories of how it all went down...

RTSPRING.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 11, 2011, 08:27:54 AM
well i really hope i get the ultimate workout! i think i will feel a lot better knowing i waited fourteen years to get a chance to hunt an area like this.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: njc89 on July 13, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
does anyone know if the roads to Teepee or Diamond Peak are opened up yet?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on July 13, 2011, 07:35:43 AM
not sure, I am going up this weekend so I will post up what I see
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 13, 2011, 07:39:34 AM
does anyone know if the roads to Teepee or Diamond Peak are opened up yet?

teepee has been open for awhile :)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 13, 2011, 08:47:41 AM
hopefully it is open...... looking forward to locating a nice fat spike for the upcoming season!!!!    :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 14, 2011, 12:44:14 PM
as far as i can tell, all the roads on the west part are open, however over east i did hear that there is still snow in alot of places. Pomeroy could not get there ambulance to Clear Water Gard Station
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on July 14, 2011, 05:53:36 PM
as far as i can tell, all the roads on the west part are open, however over east i did hear that there is still snow in alot of places. Pomeroy could not get there ambulance to Clear Water Gard Station
That had to have been because of Peola Rd being closed out of Pomeroy and not because of snow.  I drove to Clearwater 3 weeks ago without any snow at all going up Peola Rd to Iron Springs Rd then to Clearwater and down Lick Creek.  I saw in Pomeroy there's a detour sign to get you around the Peola Rd closure; should be no problem.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: wehunt on July 14, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
Good luck, have fun and be safe.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 14, 2011, 10:33:07 PM
awesome photo..... looks like there should be a couple bulls in there!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 17, 2011, 08:52:55 PM
WOW.... just got back from the first scouting trip in the wenaha. unbelievably big country. i can see why the bulls get so big. not many people willing to dive off the main ridges to hun t them!!! i am so super excited about the hunt!!!! first animal i laid eyes on was a 350 class bull!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: ridgefire on July 17, 2011, 09:36:26 PM
nice.. going to post any pics of your scouting trip
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 17, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
the few photos that we took are really sketchy. i will get some better ones next trip. we are going to be going back weekend after next! this trip was mainly to find a place to put a camp close to water!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on July 17, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
i text you a couple times. next time mabey. yes it is big country.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 17, 2011, 10:55:12 PM
yeah i got your texts when i got home i left my phone at home! would have been better having you show us around!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: woodywsu on July 18, 2011, 09:31:35 AM
21 pages and no scouting pics.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 18, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
21 pages and no scouting pics.

 :yeah: :dunno:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on July 18, 2011, 09:44:37 AM
as far as i can tell, all the roads on the west part are open, however over east i did hear that there is still snow in alot of places. Pomeroy could not get there ambulance to Clear Water Gard Station
That had to have been because of Peola Rd being closed out of Pomeroy and not because of snow.  I drove to Clearwater 3 weeks ago without any snow at all going up Peola Rd to Iron Springs Rd then to Clearwater and down Lick Creek.  I saw in Pomeroy there's a detour sign to get you around the Peola Rd closure; should be no problem.
4th of July you couldn't get to Sunset from Pomeroy.  There was a 1/4 mile of snow 4 ft deep just past the North South Trail.  Not sure exactly where they were needed but Toyman is right Pomeroy couldn't get to there because of snow.  They had to have an assist from Asotin county. 

The detour takes you zig zaging through the fields and you join Peola/3K/Mtn Road not too far from the Lone Fir (where you drop down to Columbia Center).

You couldn't drop down from Misery to the Grande Ronde either because of snow and trees.  Over around Wikiup and Misery there are alot of trees down.

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 18, 2011, 09:49:58 AM
being the first scouting trip i had a little more on my mind than taking pictures! i will definitely do that on the next trip!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on July 18, 2011, 09:59:54 AM
being the first scouting trip i had a little more on my mind than taking pictures! i will definitely do that on the next trip!!

Take the dang pictures, I kick myself for doing the same thing you are and not taking a few extra minutes here and there to break out the camera  :chuckle: But I do understand completely  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: JLS on July 19, 2011, 12:10:56 AM
I've never looked back on a trip and said "damn, I wish I hadn't taken so many pictures!"

Unfortunately, quite the opposite.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bullcanyon on July 19, 2011, 04:59:27 AM
I never take enough pictures. Hard to get yourself in the mindset to pull out the camera like a tourist when you are so focused on a task though:)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 19, 2011, 06:05:00 AM
it is really tough to get enough pictures. but unfortunately i am the worst at taking pictures. i need to focus on taking more pictures. after the trip is over i always regret that i didnt take more!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on July 19, 2011, 09:16:15 AM
I made 3-4 scouting trips for my deer hunt last year then the hunt itself. I wish I took a lot more pictures than I did. I still go back and look at the pictures and relive my hunt. After the hunt is over, it's all you got till next time. I'm sure it seems silly that I post the same pics over and over all the time, but there's something about that country that gets me and I like seeing it over and over.
With that said....

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntnphish on July 19, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
I wish I took a lot more pictures than I did. I still go back and look at the pictures and relive my hunt. After the hunt is over, it's all you got till next time. I'm sure it seems silly that I post the same pics over and over all the time, but there's something about that country that gets me and I like seeing it over and over.
With that said....

Thats why you should bring a buddy with a camera along. ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on July 19, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
When I finally draw my permit you are invited.  ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntnphish on July 19, 2011, 02:00:06 PM
When I finally draw my permit you are invited.  ;)

 Just let me know when to be at the trail head. :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on July 19, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
I wish I took a lot more pictures than I did. I still go back and look at the pictures and relive my hunt. After the hunt is over, it's all you got till next time. I'm sure it seems silly that I post the same pics over and over all the time, but there's something about that country that gets me and I like seeing it over and over.
With that said....

Thats why you should bring a buddy with a camera along. ;)

I think we had 3.  :chuckle: Too much time looking for some very elusive deer and no time spent taking pics. The pics that were taken by my chief guide and photographer were worth it though.
 :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on July 19, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
When I finally draw my permit you are invited.  ;)

 Just let me know when to be at the trail head. :tup:
count on it.  :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on July 19, 2011, 08:41:38 PM
well you all can come along on this hunt also if you are interested in packing meat??
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on July 21, 2011, 09:19:37 AM
A buddy and I drove to Misery yesterday to see what we could see.  The road from Clearwater to Diamond was open. 

Here're a couple pictures from the area.

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Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: ridgefire on July 21, 2011, 09:14:18 PM
sure is some nice looking country, going to have to make a trip down that way to do some hiking around
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: FarBeyondDriven on August 24, 2011, 08:02:11 AM
home away from home...
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: HoopsNHorns on August 24, 2011, 08:12:18 AM
Looks like a comfortable camp.   Would look better with a bull hanging though.   ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 24, 2011, 08:20:19 AM
I couldn't help but notice the big chopping block placed strategically right in front of the door....
 
So...is that some sort of "sobriety test" you have to pass to get to your bunk, or just an obstacle course so you can get a 2 minute head start on the rest of the camp on opening morning...? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: nwhunter on August 24, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
Nice camp. THats one of the suprises for guys who havent hunted the wenaha before and show up for their season with a campsite in mind and to their suprise every good campsite with water nearby is taken. Most spots will have a walltent on it by mid Sept!nwhunter
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on September 05, 2011, 08:28:44 PM
definitely a camp like that is awesome to come back to after a long day hunting!!! cant wait to experience it 7 long weeks away!!!! :(
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 05, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
Alot of great advise. I can't believe the amount of trees that have grew there since my dad was there in the late 70's looking at his pictures there was lots of open country now it looks like the watershed.
dhorn I hope you get a nice elk out of there!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on September 05, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
I'll bet a dollar that place doesn't look like that the next time someone is able to get in there to see it.  Just heard from the guy who set the camp up that he got it out through choking smoke and that helicopters, smoke jumpers and water bombers were buzzing all over as he was heading out.  Fire must have gotten either out of control or was threatening to blow up into a monster with the hot and dry weather coming the next 10 days.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 05, 2011, 10:10:26 PM
I'll bet a dollar that place doesn't look like that the next time someone is able to get in there to see it.  Just heard from the guy who set the camp up that he got it out through choking smoke and that helicopters, smoke jumpers and water bombers were buzzing all over as he was heading out.  Fire must have gotten either out of control or was threatening to blow up into a monster with the hot and dry weather coming the next 10 days.

Must be a new fire I don't see anything on the NICC report and NWCC report. I hope they get it before it get out of control!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on September 05, 2011, 10:31:18 PM
That fire has been burning for more  than 2 weeks,   yesterday Sunday it blew up with the low humidity etc.

Dropped tanker load of retardent and multiple chopper water drops.. FS says unsafe for ground crews as there is no Safety Zone..    Why did they not do a chopper drop when it was small???????


mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 05, 2011, 11:37:05 PM
hmmmm... I wonder whos in charge of the fire or what the name is cause it doesn't show in any fire reports.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: mtncook on September 06, 2011, 06:11:50 AM
The FS is in charge, it's on their land.   No name yet, they are doing their normal mismanagement.

mtncook
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on September 06, 2011, 10:20:44 AM
Blue Mountain Interagency Fire Center

http://66.134.213.74/WildWeb/WCOR-BMCopen.htm (http://66.134.213.74/WildWeb/WCOR-BMCopen.htm)

Google earth map of the incident locations
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://66.134.213.74/WildEarth/WildCAD_OR-BMC.kml (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://66.134.213.74/WildEarth/WildCAD_OR-BMC.kml)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 06, 2011, 11:59:45 AM
The FS is in charge, it's on their land.   No name yet, they are doing their normal mismanagement.

Ahh I have had been on many mob fires where these teams have royal messed up. The fires are not big enough to have a IMT I, II, or III team assigned to it till the FS decides they want to try to start a back fire. :bash: :bash:
I wish the best of luck for all the hunters that are going to be hunting there!!!! And hope it doesn't affect your business mtncook.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 10, 2011, 09:24:53 AM
Hey Dhorn, I read that you bought a horse, I am not sure how much they cost but my dog cost $1,000 so I can only be left to think a tained mt. horse would be more and thats just one. I would think it would be way cheaper and alot less work if you were to hire mtcook to do all that work for you.. Just my  :twocents:
I wish you the best in your hunt and will be following this thread for sure..
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on September 11, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
lol...... it would definitely be a lot cheaper to have mt. cook do all the work for me!!! but i am sure the satisfaction i will get with a d.i.y hunt with far outweigh the dollars and time we are putting in to get the horses ready!! by the way the cheap part was the purchasing of the horses!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: walleye1 on September 11, 2011, 09:38:23 PM
you need to ride the horse dhorn not lead it
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on September 11, 2011, 09:41:11 PM
i would ride it more if your horse would get it in gear!!! i get kinda sore sitting on my horse waiting for your old nag to get moving!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 15, 2011, 10:01:44 PM
had a little time before the elk hunt so spent a nice saturday with my wife deer hunting! hopefully i get as lucky with the elk as i did with this little guy!

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Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 15, 2011, 10:02:26 PM
Just red X's
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 15, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
i will try it again
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 15, 2011, 10:06:23 PM
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Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 15, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
Good looking buck, hope the luck runs into November for ya!!!! Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 15, 2011, 10:12:20 PM
hope the bull is a little more respectable though!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 16, 2011, 08:20:37 AM
hope the bull is a little more respectable though!!!!

Well make up for it with the Bull then  :chuckle: Nothing wrong with that buck in the general season !!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 16, 2011, 09:14:28 AM
you are right about that. even seeing a legal buck on public ground anymore is getting about impossible!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 19, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
my wife has been bugging me wanting todo the deer hunting thing on her own. i finally gave in and she went out hunting today  i  let her go by  herself she called me at 230 at work and said she got a huge buck! had to go and see for myself! i thing she done exceptionally well on her own! thinking about letting her take my wenaha tag!!!! :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 20, 2011, 12:15:51 PM
Very nice buck. Congrats to your wife. But since you both have meat in the freezer now . You can just give me that elk tag  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 20, 2011, 03:28:49 PM
Holy crap, dandy Buck. Congrats to your wife!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: SnipeHunter on October 20, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
Very nice buck!  Hope you packed it out for her and that it was a long miserable pack (so she'll appreciate helping you with your Wenaha bull!!).  Good luck next week.  Can't wait to read all about it!! :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on October 21, 2011, 04:56:04 PM
good luck, I have cell service where im at so if you get a big one id be happy to come celibrate with you.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Caseyd on October 21, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
What day you heading out??
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 21, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
we are headingout tomorrow morning!!! game on!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 21, 2011, 11:13:28 PM
Best of luck to you man!! Im hoping for a Masher in your future!!! Most of all just have fun!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on October 22, 2011, 04:33:49 AM
thanks charlie! hopefully i am having to make a trip over there when i get back!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 23, 2011, 02:50:45 AM
 :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 23, 2011, 12:17:58 PM
thanks charlie! hopefully i am having to make a trip over there when i get back!!

You can just come by my camp and I can save you the trip since I will be going there after the season anyway.

Good luck on your hunt..
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 24, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
SWEET!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on October 24, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
 :tup:  :drool:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Caseyd on October 24, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
Cant wait for the pics  :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 24, 2011, 05:54:48 PM
Very nice... He did not wait long to fill his tag, first day is not even over.... Did he say how the weather was? Snow and such. I will be over on wednesday just wondering..
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 24, 2011, 08:43:52 PM
Thanks for the info.. cant wait for the pics
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: toyman2 on October 24, 2011, 10:29:26 PM
yep got a text today that he got one but no details or pics, cant wait to see. I may have to drive to his camp if i get some time, but not exactly sure where he is but i could get close.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2011, 07:38:02 AM
Did they pack in to camp or are they camped with their vehicles. I don't think there's too many places he could be if he's camped on the road.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 25, 2011, 07:57:08 AM
SOMEONE GO UP THERE AND GET A PICTURE   :camp:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on October 25, 2011, 08:01:11 AM
Jager is in the neighborhood with his tag across the road, I will see if I can reach him and get him to cruise up the road.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: HUNT on October 25, 2011, 08:13:36 AM
Sweet!  Congratulations Doug!  Can't wait for the pictures and story!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 25, 2011, 08:53:47 AM
SOMEONE GO UP THERE AND GET A PICTURE   :camp:

 :yeah: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
SOMEONE GO UP THERE AND GET A PICTURE   :camp:

It's only about 6.5 hours or so, Chuck, lets go.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 25, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
SOMEONE GO UP THERE AND GET A PICTURE   :camp:

It's only about 6.5 hours or so, Chuck, lets go.

A motion has been made on the floor and I second that motion, all those in favor say "I". :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on October 25, 2011, 09:27:11 AM
I
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2011, 09:36:45 AM
nuddit...

Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 25, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
Um, Er, ....... My truck is broke and I need to work on it ?? ....  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: The100Road on October 25, 2011, 09:47:02 AM
Sorry Guys.............. who's Doug? Is that Rafflemule? has he got his bull yet?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 25, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
Sorry Guys.............. who's Doug? Is that Rafflemule? has he got his bull yet?

Its Dhorn, Brad is Raffle Mule
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on October 25, 2011, 10:12:37 AM
You aren't on the road yet?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on October 25, 2011, 10:14:05 AM
 :chuckle: I dont know how to get to the Blues  :dunno:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: The100Road on October 25, 2011, 10:14:45 AM
Sorry Guys.............. who's Doug? Is that Rafflemule? has he got his bull yet?

Its Dhorn, Brad is Raffle Mule

Got It. Thanks.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on October 25, 2011, 10:19:27 AM
:chuckle: I dont know how to get to the Blues  :dunno:
Just go to the sasquatch monument and hang a right, I'm sure that will lead you right to him.  ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
:chuckle: I dont know how to get to the Blues  :dunno:

Too steep for me. I have a broken shoelace on my hiking boot.
Sorry.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on October 25, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
Swing through town here, I can supply you with a fresh set.  :hello:  :)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 25, 2011, 12:17:25 PM
I will be up there tomorrow. Maybe I will go look for him. Which way did he go in ?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2011, 12:19:40 PM
Huge congrats to Doug. If he is happy with the bull he killed, then he should not have held out for anything bigger.
Can't wait to see the pics and hear the story.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: The100Road on October 25, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
Huge congrats to Doug. If he is happy with the bull he killed, then he should not have held out for anything bigger.
Can't wait to see the pics and hear the story.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 400out on October 25, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
I will give you the only info I have so far.  It is a 6x6 and he said it would be right around 300.  He is super stoked he has never got a bull before, this is only his second elk!  From what I understand he was more jacked up about this than any other animal he has ever gotten!  He made a 625 yard shot and the elk rolled another 200 yards down the hill  (would have been nice if he would have rolled UP the hill, dang uncooperative elk!!  lol).  I guess the bull is in a super steep spot so I hope he is very careful bringing it out.  Sounds like he has his work cut out for him!  From hearing his voice on the super short phone call I got at 10:06 yesterday morning, this will be a hunt he will never forget and I am so glad he got this opportunity!  I know he will hear about how he should have held out for a bigger one, but honestly if he had shot anything bigger he probably would have had a heart attack on the spot!
:chuckle: :chuckle: Take him that horse Dawn  ;)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 280ackley on October 25, 2011, 07:19:32 PM
Very nice.  :tup: 
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: hoffmas56 on October 26, 2011, 09:47:17 AM
Nice bull Doug, hope your trip is a safe one. Horses can be a pain in rough country, if not experienced packers. I expect to see more photos from you and Thad.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on October 26, 2011, 09:50:37 AM
Thanks for the sneak peak!  Now for the rest of the story when he gets back...... Congrats!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: B.G.hunter on October 26, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
Congratulations! Looks like a nice bull to me.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Huntboy on October 26, 2011, 11:16:32 AM
Congrat's, nice bull.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 28, 2011, 12:53:15 PM
That is awesome!  Congrats!  Can't wait to hear the whole story. :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: C-Money on October 29, 2011, 05:24:57 PM
Congrats! Glad he nailed one! Did he take Bailey in with him?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Holg3107 on October 29, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
ok, now im confused. Those are sheds in the picture right? he still has his tag and is going to finish the job in the morning or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Holg3107 on October 29, 2011, 10:27:44 PM
Right on! Good luck to the guys tomorrow.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: iceman91m on October 30, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
IM DYIN OVER HERE... HAVE THEY GOT THE BIG ONE YET?
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: C-Money on October 30, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
We are very happy Bailey is doing well! High buck on horses would be great fun! Keep us posted on the second bull tag!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Todd_ID on November 01, 2011, 06:59:40 AM
Hopefully they are packing a big, old bull out of a hole somewhere out there.  Thanks for the updates Dawnsnow!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: firefighter4607 on November 03, 2011, 12:54:29 PM
 :dunno: It's Thursday :peep: What's the treat??? :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on November 03, 2011, 12:56:25 PM
 :yike:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Holg3107 on November 03, 2011, 01:17:58 PM
knock knock!!!!
who's there?
Thursday,
Thursday who?
Damnit Dawn its freakin THURSDAY whats the report??
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on November 03, 2011, 03:34:16 PM
Not much of a story writer but here it goes! Left for the hunt on saturday morning to get there a little early to set up camp and do some last minute scouting. was able to scout all day sunday and didnt glass a single elk! opening morning my hunting partner and me hiked down a ridge to glass across the canyon. i didnt even have a chance to sit down before i saw my bull. We ran down the ridge to get a better look at the bull. we ranged him at 625 yards. i didnt have a lot of confidence shooting my rifle at that range. i ended up borrowing my partners rifle that he just got back from gunwerks with a bad ass night force scope! two shots later the bull was sliding downhill!!!!!! we hunted around for the next seven days seeing some eye-popping bulls that we couldnt get to. i did not think that canyons could be that far across! finally we spotted a nice bull on sunday night and my partner was able to get on him monday morning. bringing an end to the most memorable hunt i have ever took part in!!!!!! When i first got on this forum i honestly thought that all the guys that were replying to my post and telling me it was ruggid country were full of crap. you guys were selling that place short! It is the most ruggid spot in the state period!!!!!!!!!!! but Thad and i conquered it! cant wait until next year when we get lucky enough to draw it again!!!!  :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on November 03, 2011, 03:38:59 PM
guess i better add my bull also!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: bucklucky on November 03, 2011, 03:39:41 PM
Sweet!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: SniperDanWA on November 03, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
That guy is nice bull.  Congrats.  All that crap you took early on in this thread paid off.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: SnipeHunter on November 03, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
Nice work guys!  Way to use those tags to their fullest!  Awesome unit, I was in their in '08 and recall it all too fondely.

I ran into two tagholders in another unit over the weekend and they were giving up by Tuesday!!!  Tag soup for them.  Damn shame some people put in for these awesome tags and don't have a clue what they are getting into, or just think that it's a slam dunk deal. :o :o
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Holg3107 on November 03, 2011, 03:44:49 PM
Great job guys. The hard work definitely paid off!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on November 03, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
it only pushed me a little harder!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 03, 2011, 04:13:49 PM
Nice Bulls! Congrats on the DIY double! :tup:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: RaffleMule on November 03, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
Right on dhorn!  Great job and two outstanding bulls.

When I first drew the raffle tag this is one of the first threads I started to read about the Blues and it scared the crap out of me.  I know you busted your *ss and can appreciate your hard work.  Just because a guy draws a great tag doesn't make it easy, you definitely earned those bulls.

Thanks for sharing your adventure.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Woodchuck on November 03, 2011, 04:55:32 PM
Nice job guys, congrats to you both.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: firefighter4607 on November 03, 2011, 05:00:07 PM
Great looking bulls congrats to both of you guys!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: njc89 on November 03, 2011, 06:09:22 PM
Way to go guys...2 great bulls.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: iceman91m on November 03, 2011, 08:51:00 PM
DAMN!!! NICE JOB GUYS HOPEFULLY I CAN BE AS FORTUNATE ON SATURDAY
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 03, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
Good work!!
You two done well.  :)
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: runamuk on November 03, 2011, 10:11:25 PM
Congrats guys those are some nice bulls...
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on November 04, 2011, 10:01:16 AM
Congrats to the both of you. 

Looks like you tagged out just in time.  There's been a steady stream of travel trailers and campers going past the house this morning with several inches of snow on them.  I just looked at the snotel info and there's about 2 inches and 33 deg at 4000 ft and 5 inches and 27 deg at 5700 ft.
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: buglebuster on November 04, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
Congrarts guys awesome job!
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: gunnarnewt on November 04, 2011, 02:42:36 PM
congrats! This has been an interesting thread to follow!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: Elkstuffer on November 04, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
Nice bulls guys! Way to get it done. But don't look so excited next time. Hell you guys just shot two awesome bulls and you look like you just lost your best friend. :chuckle:
Title: Re: wenaha east tag
Post by: dhorn on November 04, 2011, 07:33:02 PM
lol...... reality was setting in about the packing out about the time the photos were taken!