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Title: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2011, 06:08:47 AM
This is the DNR homepage:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Pages/default.aspx)

There are maps that show all the state lands requiring the discover pass. You can use these links or download the pdf's below. There is also a note they are remaking a map, so it may be worth checking back to this page to see what changes there may be:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/recreationeducation/pages/home.aspx (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/recreationeducation/pages/home.aspx)

MAPS
Northeast:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_northeast.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_northeast.pdf)
Northwest:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_northwest.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_northwest.pdf)
Southwest:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_southwest.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_southwest.pdf)
Statewide:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_statewide.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_statewide.pdf)
Statewide:  http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/discover_pass_statewide_dnr_locations.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/discover_pass_statewide_dnr_locations.pdf)


Important Additional Information:
Ok let me clarify my wording from last night. There are currently two different violations right now. A operating a vehicle without a pass which is a $203 infraction, obviously for this violation the vehicle must be being operated (driving). The other is essentially parking without the pass which is a $99 parking infraction.

Yes, and there are people who drive though there just to get to the other side. There are a number of areas around the state with roads passing through. I wonder if they will write people just for passing through who don't even plan to stop? It wouldn't seem very appropriate if someone was on a road passing through.

If you are on a road that is in an area that requires the pass you need to have the pass, it does not matter if you are simply passing thru to get to some non DNR land. This is why it is essential to know what areas need the pass and what areas dont.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2011, 06:34:35 AM
Info currently on the DNR website:  http://www.discoverpass.wa.gov/ (http://www.discoverpass.wa.gov/)

The Discover Pass - your ticket to Washington's great outdoors

One permit provides access to state parks and recreation lands

Annual pass: $30
 $35 with transaction and dealer fees if purchased at a license dealer, by phone or online
 
One-day pass: $10
 $11.50 with transaction and dealer fees if purchased at a license dealer, by phone or online
 
Washington state parks
WDFW wildlife areas
WDFW water-access points
DNR recreation sites
For information, e-mail
or call toll-free (866) 320-9933

The Discover Pass allows you to enjoy nearly 7 million acres of Washington state-managed recreation lands – including state parks, water-access points, heritage sites, wildlife and natural areas, trails and trailheads.

The Discover Pass must be displayed on your vehicle when visiting state recreation lands managed by the Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission, the Washington State Department of Natural Resources and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. The fine for not displaying the pass is $99.

The Discover Pass may be purchased:
•Online
•In person from any of nearly 600 recreational license vendors where state fishing and hunting licenses are sold.
•By phone (866) 320-9933
•When you renew your vehicle license (beginning fall of 2011)
•At State Parks headquarters and region offices, and at state parks when staff is available
 
Thank you for supporting Washington state recreation lands.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 23, 2011, 06:42:16 AM
When I looked at where a pass is required for the Northeast part of the state. I see that Sheep creek is a permit area along with a large block of land called Colville Remote. You know that area as well as I may. That is nothing more than the major roadways across the north end.So that just gives them a way to collect a toll from uninformed folks.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2011, 06:53:04 AM
Yes, and there are people who drive though there just to get to the other side. There are a number of areas around the state with roads passing through. I wonder if they will write people just for passing through who don't even plan to stop? It wouldn't seem very appropriate if someone was on a road passing through.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 23, 2011, 06:58:10 AM
Neighbor has already gotten a verbal warning even though he had bought a pass just wasn't for the wood truck he was using. That is how I learned about the vehicle specific clause in the program. He showed the pass and was told only good for the rig it has on the tag. So how many tags do you get to buy to roam around up there? Even if you can only drive one at a time!!!
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on July 23, 2011, 06:59:32 AM
Yes, and there are people who drive though there just to get to the other side. There are a number of areas around the state with roads passing through. I wonder if they will write people just for passing through who don't even plan to stop? It wouldn't seem very appropriate if someone was on a road passing through.

If you are on a road that is in an area that requires the pass you need to have the pass, it does not matter if you are simply passing thru to get to some non DNR land. This is why it is essential to know what areas need the pass and what areas dont.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: ICEMAN on July 23, 2011, 07:08:51 AM
All of this confusion could be ended by voting out the *censored*es in Olympia and placing some fiscally conservative representation there.
 
Has anyone here spied on the treehugger sites to see how much they enjoy this new confusing screwed up fee and plan?
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 23, 2011, 08:10:37 AM
All of this confusion could be ended by voting out the *censored*es in Olympia and placing some fiscally conservative representation there.
 
Has anyone here spied on the treehugger sites to see how much they enjoy this new confusing screwed up fee and plan?


 :yeah:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: WenHunter on July 23, 2011, 08:29:14 AM
So looking at the maps you provided, it seems that anyone hunting the Clockum area during deer or elk season, will need the pass as well. Am I wrong?  :dunno: That should be a huge money generator during elk season if that is correct.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Armadillo on July 23, 2011, 08:46:27 AM
thats great.. they make it madatory july 1st then they give maps after the fact stating where we need the pass...  :bs:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on July 23, 2011, 08:59:48 AM
thats great.. they make it madatory july 1st then they give maps after the fact stating where we need the pass...  :bs:


The maps were available before July 1st.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 23, 2011, 09:01:01 AM
So looking at the maps you provided, it seems that anyone hunting the Clockum area during deer or elk season, will need the pass as well. Am I wrong?  :dunno: That should be a huge money generator during elk season if that is correct.


 YEP!

 When I started hunting the Colockum almost all that land on top belonged to the Washington Dept. of Fish and Game, as it had been donated by the Coffin family

http://www.wsulibs.wsu.edu/holland/masc/finders/cg405.htm (http://www.wsulibs.wsu.edu/holland/masc/finders/cg405.htm)

Then our state saw the $$$$ of logging as much as possible and DFW/DNR has been swapping trees for shrub steppe ever since. Now we must have this pass in most of the areas we hunt up there
 State win/win eh?

Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on July 23, 2011, 09:04:19 AM
I went blackberry picking yesterday on a block of state land near here, which shows up on the DNR map as a "recreation area". But, no signs posted, so no pass needed. I don't have a Discover Pass and won't be purchasing one. It will be interesting to see which areas actually get posted with signs.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: buckfvr on July 23, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
I was told by DNR that you could drive through with out a pass, just could not park or camp......find an adjacent private timber holding to park on and walk in......its a vehicle pass, not a body pass. 
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Wazukie on July 23, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
I was told by DNR that you could drive through with out a pass, just could not park or camp......find an adjacent private timber holding to park on and walk in......its a vehicle pass, not a body pass. 

Q. If I am driving through state recreation lands, will I need to buy a pass?

A. Yes. Unless you are exempt from pass requirements, the pass is required anytime your vehicle is on state recreation lands managed by WDFW, DNR or State Parks. The pass is not required on roads managed by other jurisdictions, such as state highways or county roads that may pass through recreation lands.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: MADMAX on July 23, 2011, 11:40:54 AM
I need to ask about this
If I am hunting stateland , does it have to have a sign up requiring the pass ?
I plan on hunting the Toutle area shaded in green.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: buckfvr on July 23, 2011, 02:31:53 PM


Q. If I am driving through state recreation lands, will I need to buy a pass?


 I was told not so by DNR, better check again.....and better get serious about making my protest counted in Olympia.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on July 23, 2011, 09:18:04 PM


Q. If I am driving through state recreation lands, will I need to buy a pass?


 I was told not so by DNR, better check again.....and better get serious about making my protest counted in Olympia.

You do need the pass even if you are driving through. Remember, not all government call takers are 100% correct. When it comes down to you and the judge, the judge can point to a government website saying you need the pass. All you have is somebody who you probably don't remember their name saying you don't need it
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 03, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
I was in the Tucannon drainage this last weekend.  There were discover pass signs all over down lower on the river.  In small print, it said something about vehicle usage permit, or something like that (I can't remember exactly what it said).  I assumed that meant the vehicle use tag I got with my hunting license, so I hung it up on the rearview.  No one ticketed me, and I saw several other trucks displaying their WDFW vehicle use permits and didn't see any tickets shoved up under any windshield wipers or anything... :dunno:
I am new to this whole controversy.  Does my WDFW rearview hanger work as a discover pass?
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on August 03, 2011, 08:41:27 PM
It is valid on WDFW lands, but not DNR or State Parks.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on August 03, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
The state land in the Tucannon is WDFW so you can use your WDFW pass there.

Also, the WDFW pass and Discover Pass look VERY similar. Both have the yellow rearview hanger.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: stuckalot on August 03, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
So with the patchwork of lands in the Colockum area do I need a discover pass or is my wdfw pass good enough?  Signs say discover pass required, but I thought that area was managed by wdfw.  WTH? This stuff makes my blood boil!
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on August 03, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
So with the patchwork of lands in the Colockum area do I need a discover pass or is my wdfw pass good enough?  Signs say discover pass required, but I thought that area was managed by wdfw.  WTH? This stuff makes my blood boil!

Your going to love my answer..or not.

WDFW and DNR have been doing a lot of land swaps in the Colockum area to better manage the area. Once that occured a lot of DNR was created into one large block, thus the creation of the Naneum State Forest. The way the area is laid out the western part of the area is owned by the USFS, the center is owned by DNR and is the Naneum State Forest, and the eastern area and northern area is a mixture of WDFW, DNR and BLM however this area is managed by WDFW as the Colockum Wildlife Area.

A Discover Pass is the only valid pass in the Naneum State Forest. A Discover Pass OR the WDFW Vehicle Use Permit is valid on the Colockum Wildlife Area.

Here is a map showing the USFS land, the DNR land that is the Naneum State Forest, and the Colockum Wildlife area which is a mixture of blue, orange, and tan and is surrounded by a blue line: http://wdfw.wa.gov/webmaps/gohunt/wildlife_area_pdf/wla_colockum.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/webmaps/gohunt/wildlife_area_pdf/wla_colockum.pdf)

If the land you are going to hunt is within that large portion of DNR land that is not encompassed by that blue line then you DO need the Discover Pass. But if you are hunting within the Colockum Wildlife Area (which is surrounded by the blue line) then you can use either passes.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 03, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
Jeez, you guys aren't kidding.  This is a goat-screw...
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Bob33 on August 03, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
This is a goat-screw...
Do you have the appropriate pass for that?
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: stuckalot on August 03, 2011, 10:16:17 PM
Thanks Tex, Sorta!~I do believe that all of the access points to the Colockom are signed that a discover pass is required just to get to the "wildlife area"??? So if I'm going to recreate (sp) in the wildlife area can I tow my jeep behind my truck and camper with only a discover pass for the truck or does the jeep need one too?  Goat screw is an understatement!
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 04, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
This is a goat-screw...
Do you have the appropriate pass for that?

Nawww...not yet.  But I am building points... :tup:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on August 05, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Thanks Tex, Sorta!~I do believe that all of the access points to the Colockom are signed that a discover pass is required just to get to the "wildlife area"??? So if I'm going to recreate (sp) in the wildlife area can I tow my jeep behind my truck and camper with only a discover pass for the truck or does the jeep need one too?  Goat screw is an understatement!

Well here's the thing, you need a pass for parking and also operating on the state lands. So if you just have one pass and have the vehicle parked on state lands while out driving the jeep with the pass then obviously the other vehicle does not have the pass and could be subject to a citation. So both your truck and jeep need the pass.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Soper on August 20, 2011, 03:17:08 AM
Please voice your concern to your state representative. This evening I received a email from my state rep. He said he is upset as well over this and next legislative session he and other will bring this to the table for change. To clarify this pass requirement was drafted and voted by just a few people on the "ways and means" committee . Our state representatives had no voice in the matter.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: winshooter88 on August 20, 2011, 05:33:19 AM
To add to the discussion. According to the maps from the Kittitas county website, Colockum pass is a county road. The Discover pass is not required on county roads as per the Discover Pass website. So theoretically you can access the Colockum Wildlife Area via Colockum Pass road and only need the pass that you got with your hunting license, not the Discover pass. Or drive all the way over Colockum Pass without stopping on the Kittitas side without having a Discover Pass. Personally I see room for allot of mistakes and confusion about where the Discover Pass is and isn't needed. So you will need to know what road you are on and also who owns that road to know what pass you need! Your government at work.  :bash:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: fireweed on August 20, 2011, 10:07:06 AM
All this confusion stems from the DNR more so than the WDFW or even state parks.  Go the the Washington state Legislature website, to TVWA and listen to the old meetings on the Pass.  Everyone pretty much figured it would work like the NW forest pass and for PARKING in developed sites like campgrounds, trailheads, picnic areas--not an entry fee.  Even Rep. Brian Blake who helped sponsor the bill believed it was for developed sites.  The problem was the wording  "designated recreation areas". Sounds like trailheads to me, but to the DNR it means any land they "designate" on paper--with or without developed facilities.   Goldmark needs to be a one-term land commissioner for this double-cross.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on August 20, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
All this confusion stems from the DNR more so than the WDFW or even state parks.  Go the the Washington state Legislature website, to TVWA and listen to the old meetings on the Pass.  Everyone pretty much figured it would work like the NW forest pass and for PARKING in developed sites like campgrounds, trailheads, picnic areas--not an entry fee.  Even Rep. Brian Blake who helped sponsor the bill believed it was for developed sites.  The problem was the wording  "designated recreation areas". Sounds like trailheads to me, but to the DNR it means any land they "designate" on paper--with or without developed facilities.   Goldmark needs to be a one-term land commissioner for this double-cross.

:yeah:
 
It should only be "developed" sites. Trailheads, campgrounds, picnic areas, and such. For those types of things there should be a fee. But just for logging areas that were not specifically developed and are not maintained for the purpose of recreation, why is the pass required?
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Curly on August 20, 2011, 12:39:57 PM
All this confusion stems from the DNR more so than the WDFW or even state parks.  Go the the Washington state Legislature website, to TVWA and listen to the old meetings on the Pass.  Everyone pretty much figured it would work like the NW forest pass and for PARKING in developed sites like campgrounds, trailheads, picnic areas--not an entry fee.  Even Rep. Brian Blake who helped sponsor the bill believed it was for developed sites.  The problem was the wording  "designated recreation areas". Sounds like trailheads to me, but to the DNR it means any land they "designate" on paper--with or without developed facilities.   Goldmark needs to be a one-term land commissioner for this double-cross.

:yeah:
 
It should only be "developed" sites. Trailheads, campgrounds, picnic areas, and such. For those types of things there should be a fee. But just for logging areas that were not specifically developed and are not maintained for the purpose of recreation, why is the pass required?

 :yeah: X10000
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on August 20, 2011, 11:41:15 PM
All this confusion stems from the DNR more so than the WDFW or even state parks.  Go the the Washington state Legislature website, to TVWA and listen to the old meetings on the Pass.  Everyone pretty much figured it would work like the NW forest pass and for PARKING in developed sites like campgrounds, trailheads, picnic areas--not an entry fee.  Even Rep. Brian Blake who helped sponsor the bill believed it was for developed sites.  The problem was the wording  "designated recreation areas". Sounds like trailheads to me, but to the DNR it means any land they "designate" on paper--with or without developed facilities.   Goldmark needs to be a one-term land commissioner for this double-cross.

I have an issue with this statement.

Section three of the bill states: "A discover pass is required for any motor vehicle to park or operate on any recreation site or lands,". So it says right there in the bill PARK OR OPERATE. To me it sounds like Blake is passing blame, or didn't read the bill as it was passed.

Also, in regards to the DNR designated recreation sites, the bill lists DNR areas where it is required. ""Recreation site or lands" means....department of natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas." Had the intention of the bill only been to be DNR trailheads and parking areas they should have only included the trailheads and parking areas and not included the developed or designated recreation areas because that basically opened up a lot of lot for DNR to designate.

I have a lot of issues with legislators who pass bills then go back and say "hey that's not how it's suppose to be!". Well maybe you should have written the bill better!. This is NOT DNR, WDFW, or Parks fault for interpreting the language of the bill, if the leg only wanted trailheads they should have only said trailheads, and if they only wanted it for parking they should have made it only required for parking and not operating!
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Elk whack master on August 21, 2011, 12:50:28 AM
This pass is making me so,so,soooooo................ :puke:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Raul Duke on August 21, 2011, 08:43:49 AM
If you've got a fishing or hunting license, you're good to go on our (WDFW) lands. But if you're NOT a licensed fisher or hunter, OR if you plan to use State Parks or DNR lands, you'll need a Discover Pass................The penalty for not having a Discover Pass where required is $99, reduced to $59 if you provide proof of purchase of Pass to the court within 15 days after the notice of violation.

Fishing & hunting license dollars do NOT support State Parks and DNR -- that's why fishers & hunters who use those lands must buy the pass, too.


This is off ther FB page.   
I almost miss read it, and thought we (hunters) didn't need one.  :bash:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: fireweed on August 22, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
Here's another reason I think the whole intent of the pass was changed along the line from Parking to Operating.  Have you guys noticed folks driving around (even on state Hwy. and county roads) near DNR/DWF with those big hangtags off their mirrors.  According to the website that is how the pass is suppose to be displayed.  These big tags block alot of view of traffic and can't possibly be safe to "Opperate" with.   Wouldn't even be surprised if you could get a ticket for driving with them as an unsafe condition. If they truely would have been thinking operate all along, the pass would be a little sticker in the corner of the windshield.  (But, then again that could be the plan, make them required, but make them illegal!!! Double-dipping with fines).
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on August 22, 2011, 10:20:39 AM
Here's another reason I think the whole intent of the pass was changed along the line from Parking to Operating.  Have you guys noticed folks driving around (even on state Hwy. and county roads) near DNR/DWF with those big hangtags off their mirrors.  According to the website that is how the pass is suppose to be displayed.  These big tags block alot of view of traffic and can't possibly be safe to "Opperate" with.   Wouldn't even be surprised if you could get a ticket for driving with them as an unsafe condition. If they truely would have been thinking operate all along, the pass would be a little sticker in the corner of the windshield.  (But, then again that could be the plan, make them required, but make them illegal!!! Double-dipping with fines).

The intent NEVER changed. I don't think you guys understand what I am saying. From day one the bill said that it is required to operate your vehicle on certain lands. This is not as if DNR and WDFW suddenly decided to drive on their lands that you need the pass.

But I do agree, I think there should be a sticker just like the sno-park pass.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: NWHydroprint on August 22, 2011, 08:10:41 PM
Better yet get rid of the pass and make all WA departments learn to live within there budgets or layoff people like any other business. Instead of creating fees to fund their over spending.
NWH
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: fireweed on August 23, 2011, 11:06:19 AM
It's interesting to go the the Washington State Legislature website and see the push-and-pull between the agencies and the legislature over the definition of "reacreation site and lands".  It starts very broad--basically anything the agencies say:
 "Recreation site or lands" means those areas of state-owned or managed lands designated by an agency where the discover pass or day-
 use permit is required.

Than after comments and concerns by legislators and public it changes to in the 1st substitute:
"Recreation site or lands" means a state park or any area
managed by an agency for outdoor recreation or fish and wildlife
conservation including water access areas, boat ramps, wildlife areas,
parking areas, roads, trailheads, and trails under ownership,
 management, lease, or control of the agency, or "public lands" as
 defined in RCW 79.02.010.

But this really didn't tighten the definition, so there was even still more push back to clarify that it was for developed sites: 2nd substitute bill
"Recreation site or lands" means a state park or fish and
 wildlife conservation sites including water access areas, boat ramps,
wildlife areas, parking areas, roads, and trailheads, or department of
natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites,
trailheads, and parking areas.

This is the language that passed. You can see the legislature and public comment is trying to limit the areas requiring a pass throughout the process. Afterall, If they wanted all state forests and all DNR lands to need a pass, why doesn't just say so???  I think the smoke and mirrors and wiggle room was intentional. So what did we get? What the agencies (especially the DNR) wanted all along, and what they first proposed: Basically anythere they say it's needed.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: washelkhunter on January 12, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
We are almost being labeled as criminals just for being alive and walking the earth :'(
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: JJD on April 21, 2012, 06:04:14 AM
Better yet get rid of the pass and make all WA departments learn to live within there budgets or layoff people like any other business. Instead of creating fees to fund their over spending.
NWH
:yeah:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: danderson on April 21, 2012, 07:17:06 AM
   As far as I'm concerned when I buy a hunting licence, or fishing licence I just paid for the right  to use the national forests and DNR lands, the discover pass should be required for people that don't support the program through normal permits such as these, at this rate everytime an agency mismanages there spending there create a new pass mentality will be forced on us rather than fix the problem, that's usually bureaucratic fat cats being over paid and under worked.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Gringo31 on June 07, 2012, 12:42:44 PM
Was looking at their website and they still don't have it straight.  Two different maps saying two different things.  I'm mostly referring to the SE part of the state.

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_statewide_map.pdf

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_dnr_gmu_hunting.pdf

So....which one is it?????

Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: RifleRidge on October 15, 2012, 08:14:42 AM
I wonder how many people were sited for no pass on opening deer hunt weekend?..

 :twocents:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Huntbear on October 15, 2012, 08:18:22 AM
I have asked WDFW enforcement publicly (on their fb page) for a definitive answer on this , especially in the Central part of the state since it can be a patchwork of DNR, WDFW, Timber co., BLM, and other types of land....

NO answer back in 4 months....  and I gave them a gentle reminder 2 months ago, that I was still waiting for THEIR answer.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Magnum40 on October 16, 2012, 12:43:13 PM
Man, you guys that are for this pass are way off target.  We, like our Grandfathers, should never have to buy access to our public lands and should never be stopped by law enforcement only to be asked to present a pass.  I was a reserve officer during college and believe me I'm pro law enforcement but against a large controlling police state...this pass gives the government the ability to restrict your access and contact anyone without reasonable suspicion to see their pass.  This is not the country I want to leave my kids.

www.oathkeepers.org (http://www.oathkeepers.org)   
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Curly on October 16, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Funny thing is, I was for a pass back when the idea first was floated out there.  But what I envisioned was a pass for the people who stay at DNR campgrounds or the people who ride their mountain bikes on the DNR trails and park at the trailheads.  It seemed like a good idea to get those people to pay toward the maintenance of those areas.

What they ended up with is a joke.  I am missing out on using a lot of good forest land in Capital Forest (which is not far from my house) because I refuse to pay the fee.  Requiring it on all DNR land is not right IMO.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on October 19, 2012, 01:10:24 PM
i personally refuse to buy one. remember when the access stewardship FIRST came out. you had to have it for wdfw and dnr lands. what changed. our prices on hunting keep going up. if they want to charge people for using MAINTAINED camping spot im all for that. just for land access its rediculous, what do we pay our taxes for then. they need to get off their A$$E$ and do their job correctly. balance the budget and live within their means, we have too.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: castor gitter on February 22, 2013, 11:16:41 AM
 :twocents: for me is this.... I buy my licenses and tags, license my rigs, am law abiding, and they keep hiking prices up and adding new things like this to our fees. I can support the pass for campsites and improved areas, BUT not for those of us that buy all these licenses and tags already. I have major issues with the fact of needing to have it on the mirror while driving. Also to just need it for driving through areas! The state is making it so that if people want to enjoy the outdoors you need to be rich! They talk now of a higher fuel tax again even when ours is one of the highest in the country? That's another reason I don't believe we should have to pay to drive our own roads. I use to love this state with all the diversity in what you could do. Now I don't wanna spend any money here to support the govt and messed up rules/regulations.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on February 22, 2013, 11:37:30 AM
 :yeah: agreed
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 08:51:58 AM
going to reopen this can of worms what is the difference between State Land, State Timber Lands, and DNR. i have seen all 3 of these on our counties parcel website identifing who own the lands. and is the Discover Pass required for all three of just DNR.
please dont speculate give facts obtained with paperwork to back it up. im getting ready to fight this one head on.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 09:09:45 AM
Those labels aren't enough to really identify if it's DNR, WDFW, State Parks, or some other agency. If it says "state timberlands" you can be pretty sure that's DNR. I have never seen that myself.

A clue is the mailing address given. If you get to know which is which, that will tell you right off the bat. But if that doesn't work, there should be a link that says something like "view assessor's data for parcel." If you go there you should see a more accurate description of who the "taxpayer" is.

Another way to check ownership would be the WDFW "Go Hunt" online map. It will at least help to distinguish between what is DNR, and what is WDFW.

There are also the DNR Public Lands paper maps which would also be a good source in identifying ownership.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
One more thought- just try Googling the address given for the owner of the parcel. It seems that often the address shown if it's WDFW will be 600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, Wa. If you google that, you will for sure get many hits for Washington Dept of Fish and Wildlife.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Noiro on April 03, 2013, 09:30:26 AM
They must be having a big bonus ticketing unsuspecting urban dwellers out for a ride in the country with the kids. The family pulls over to stretch and take some photos and ends up being interrogated and assaulted by LE for no permit.
Any $$$ numbers on how much this extortion is pulling in? Any reports of permit stops developing into greater LE issues with the public?
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 10:24:35 AM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website. USFW requires access stewardship if you have hunting/fishing liscense and if you do not have hunting/fishing liscense a discover pass is required.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on April 03, 2013, 10:30:39 AM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website. USFW requires access stewardship if you have hunting/fishing liscense and if you do not have hunting/fishing liscense a discover pass is required.

The Discover Pass is not applicable with the US Fish and Wildlife Service lands.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
according to their website it is look it up.

http://www.discoverpass.wa.gov/ (http://www.discoverpass.wa.gov/)

you can find under exclusions that if you have a hunting/fishing liscense and are on wdfw that you dont have to have the discover pass.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on April 03, 2013, 11:05:31 AM
according to their website it is look it up.

http://www.discoverpass.wa.gov/ (http://www.discoverpass.wa.gov/)

you can find under exclusions that if you have a hunting/fishing liscense and are on wdfw that you dont have to have the discover pass.

You are confused. The Discover Pass is only needed on state lands. The US Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) and US Forest Service (USFS) are federal agencies. WDFW is different then USFWS
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
nope not confused maybe you are.......

right off their website

Where do I need a Discover Pass?
For a complete list of exemptions, please go to the Discover Pass website.

The pass is required on state recreation lands and water-access sites managed by Washington State Parks (State Parks), Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR). These lands include state parks, water-access points, heritage sites, wildlife and natural areas, DNR and WDFW campgrounds, trails and trailheads and all DNR managed uplands (natural areas and trustlands, but not aquatic lands. Learn more >>
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 12:52:51 PM
federal you dont
state you do
 i guess i misunderstood what you were saying my bad.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 12:54:19 PM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website. USFW requires access stewardship if you have hunting/fishing liscense and if you do not have hunting/fishing liscense a discover pass is required.

The above is wrong.

"USFW" would be the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, which is an agency of the federal government, not state.

The Discover pass is only required on state land.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 01:03:58 PM
the discover pass is also required on WDFW land if you dont have hunting/fishing (access stewardship pass)
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
the discover pass is also required on WDFW land if you dont have hunting/fishing (access stewardship pass)

Right, and WDFW land is state land.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bear hunter on April 03, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
 :bash: So I have to buy two permits a year? You can transfer from two vehicles but I take my motorcycle and truck hunting. So one of them is not going to have a permit on it. It was it bad when they had the wdfw stickers and You ended up getting two when you bought your fishing and hunting license separately.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 01:09:58 PM
wdfw is not the same as dnr
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
if you have ORV liscense on your vehicle you dont need a discover pass but the transporting vehicle needs a discover if its parked on dnr/wdfw
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 01:12:10 PM
wdfw is not the same as dnr

Well, no it's not the same. But both are state agencies, so land managed by either agency is STATE LAND.    :bash:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bear hunter on April 03, 2013, 01:17:52 PM
if you have ORV liscense on your vehicle you dont need a discover pass but the transporting vehicle needs a discover if its parked on dnr/wdfw
Its a Honda Dual sport.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Curly on April 03, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
Where do you hang a DP while riding a motorcycle? :dunno:  Hang it from your nose???  :o
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: motg9_6 on April 03, 2013, 01:38:51 PM
alittle further south! :chuckle:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Curly on April 03, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
 :o  :chuckle:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 03, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website

That is wrong.  Many lands such as WDOT do not require permits, only the resource and recreation departments
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on April 03, 2013, 04:50:27 PM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website

That is wrong.  Many lands such as WDOT do not require permits, only the resource and recreation departments

Most WSDOT land I know of is closed to public access....
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 03, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
Quit picking on me  :)

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Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on April 03, 2013, 04:59:36 PM
good one knocker  :lol4:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 03, 2013, 05:34:57 PM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website

That is wrong.  Many lands such as WDOT do not require permits, only the resource and recreation departments

Most WSDOT land I know of is closed to public access....

I'm not arguing, but:

1) Beacon Rock State Park, people park on the very wide shoulder W. of the official parking lot.  It is on WDOT right of way, and people have not been recieving tickets ( as of last fall) from either Parks, Sherrif or WSP.  This has been verified in court.

2) Heybrook lookout along US 2.  Parking is on WDOT right of way.

3) Kayaking and fishing parking along US 2 W. of Index seems to be WDOT

4) Many parking spots for climbing and kayaking in Tumwater Canyon is right along US 2, I assume WDOT because you are about two feet from the pavement.

Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: bigtex on April 03, 2013, 09:13:08 PM
from goldendale fish and wildlife LEO all state land requires a discover pass doesnt matter how its is labled on the COUNTY parcel website

That is wrong.  Many lands such as WDOT do not require permits, only the resource and recreation departments

Most WSDOT land I know of is closed to public access....

I'm not arguing, but:

1) Beacon Rock State Park, people park on the very wide shoulder W. of the official parking lot.  It is on WDOT right of way, and people have not been recieving tickets ( as of last fall) from either Parks, Sherrif or WSP.  This has been verified in court.

When I said WSDOT land I was referring to their maintenance yards, sand yards, etc which are all posted. I wasnt talking about roadways and right of ways.
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 04, 2013, 05:54:53 AM
 :brew:
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 04, 2013, 06:05:05 AM
When I said WSDOT land I was referring to their maintenance yards, sand yards, etc which are all posted.

Yea, what's so secret about that sand?  Just what are they trying to hide?

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The truth's out there
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 31, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Quit picking on me  :)

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God, I don't miss that hell hole over there.........
Title: Re: DNR Lands Requiring A Discover Pass
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 31, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
:brew:
That's was funnier than heck  :chuckle:
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