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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2020, 08:57:06 PM »
Comparison of Winter Wheat / Winter Peas / Oats
This year I planted oats, winter wheat, and winter peas in individual plots next to each other. We've reached some conclusions after watching the wildlife usage of these plots next to each other. The winter wheat is great for a late fall season deer draw but not that much usage the following spring and summer. Perhaps if I didn't have oats and peas growing next to the winter wheat this spring it might have had more appeal, but the deer and turkeys favored the oats and the deer also favored the peas during the spring and summer. The peas never got more than a few inches tall due to deer grazing pressure, the oat seeds have already been completely removed from the stalks by turkeys this late summer, meanwhile the wheat seeds are only partially eaten. For next year I'm going to plant half as much winter wheat, I still need some winter wheat for a late fall draw after clover attraction drops off this fall. I'm going to plant more oats and double the peas in the spring. After reading this article I may mix the peas and oats together and throw in some turnips to make the same plot attractive longer into the late fall.
https://www.qdma.com/austrian-winter-peas/#:~:text=With%20regard%20to%20planting%20dates,winter%20pea%20in%20pure%20stands.

I realize there are wildlife mixes you can buy but buying bulk individual seed at the farm supply is cheaper and I can pick which seeds I want in the mix. I don't have a lot of time to keep up on sensitive crops so I'm defaulting to crops that grow well with minimum upkeep and soil maintenance in my area and that seem to be the most attractive to the deer and turkeys I am feeding.

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Thanks for this update.  I am in the same boat and have been experimenting for the last couple years on what grows best with minimal upkeep.  I will be planting oats this fall to see how they do in my neck of the woods.  I wish they were perineal as it makes it even easier....but hey you can't win them all.  I will inner seed with clover and peas as they have been proven winners at my place and the clover coves back every spring.  I have also had great luck with a sucra grass blend that the deer and turkeys love and is a perineal.  Last fall I planted a rack master blend with a bunch of annual root vegetables and the deer loved It.  The beets, turnips and daikon radish were a big hit.   

thanks for posting the pics too.  I love watching the bucks grow this time of year.  :tup:

For fall planting we've planted winter cereal rye before and it was a great attraction, easy to grow also, I think that would be better than oats in the fall as frost won't kill it. Oats are great for spring planting, deer hit it good in spring, turkeys just love the seed come late summer.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2020, 09:00:44 PM »
Here is something you might add to your plots, sweet clover.  It is a biennial so will get a second year that is 5-7 feet tall and a insect factory, excellent nitrogen fixer for the next crop and great thermal cover for the second winter.  Great deer and turkey pics, have watched turkeys chase deer off of something they want, thanks

I've considered it before, perhaps I should lightly overseed some into the mixed plot I am planning next year, or do you think it does better on it's own?

I've heard it attracts bees too which turkeys love, but it seems like I heard it can become invasive, any opinion on that?
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2020, 10:11:23 PM »
This doe we rarely see in daylight, she is mostly nocturnal when bringing the two little ones into the open. They look pretty small, I think she was one of the later does to drop her fawns.

Second Photo, another good shot of non-typical!

Third photo, two bucks bedded in the oats.

Fourth photo, a random turkey in the air, turkeys are so amusing to watch!

Fifth photo, I have been watching for this guy, he is here looking for the fawns!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2020, 11:24:44 PM »
Within two to three weeks after placing the trail cams there is quite a lot of difference in antler growth on the young bucks and the older bucks, and the fawns are growing rapidly too.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 11:07:45 AM »
Here is something you might add to your plots, sweet clover.  It is a biennial so will get a second year that is 5-7 feet tall and a insect factory, excellent nitrogen fixer for the next crop and great thermal cover for the second winter.  Great deer and turkey pics, have watched turkeys chase deer off of something they want, thanks

Man that is some steep country!!   :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 11:11:18 AM »
Those last couple bucks are pretty nice.   :tup:

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 12:09:35 PM »
That one on the right a few pictures back is a tank. Looks like you'll have lots of happy customers, Dale. Good luck!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 01:04:00 PM »
Still have tons of photos to look over. Broken Jr and Broken Sr came back and gave me another good look at their antlers.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 01:12:25 PM »
1. A new little buck showed up, he is really skinny, I had not seen him previous to this photo, he must have something wrong going on

2. That little buck is showing some respect

3. Pair of average bucks

4. Two pretty nice ones

5. Another little fella

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 01:25:59 PM »
That one on the right a few pictures back is a tank. Looks like you'll have lots of happy customers, Dale. Good luck!

Last year we cut back again on hunter numbers, even fewer than the year before, so more of the bucks would get a little older, it's looking pretty positive, we are planning another year with more limited hunting, now if the cougars don't eat them all we hope to have another good season. On the bright side, a couple cats got in trouble and got removed. The predators are so bad that we are now taking less than half the number of hunters that we used to hunt on all the same properties. But by cutting back on hunters repeatedly at least we are seeing some results in spite of the high predator numbers.

We see cats every year, if I could convince all the hunters to buy cougar tags we could probably lessen the problem and have even more bucks again to hunt!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 01:28:25 PM »
Here is something you might add to your plots, sweet clover.  It is a biennial so will get a second year that is 5-7 feet tall and a insect factory, excellent nitrogen fixer for the next crop and great thermal cover for the second winter.  Great deer and turkey pics, have watched turkeys chase deer off of something they want, thanks

Man that is some steep country!!   :chuckle: :chuckle:

Nothing like northern Idaho, that's for sure!  :chuckle:
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 01:44:21 PM »
Dale, Are you getting lots of predators on your cams.  I have a pic from my last cam check that has three cats in one photo.  Lots of cats and even more bears. 

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2020
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 01:56:47 PM »
Dale, Are you getting lots of predators on your cams.  I have a pic from my last cam check that has three cats in one photo.  Lots of cats and even more bears.

It depends where I put the cams, where I have these cams getting these photos not so much, but I could move them to where there will be plenty of predator photos. I'm going on a recon tomorrow or the next day and hope to place some more cams, but I'll be focusing on getting deer photos.

Years ago (whenI could run hounds in WA) I caught a B&C cougar for a hunter not far from your place, and I used to lease a hunting property just south of you, there are a lot of bear and cats in all that country around you.
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