Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.

[CarbonHunter]

That it would decrease everyone's draw odds.  No risk in applying for multiple categories anymore.

Gotcha... And your probably spot one with that assumption.

[BULLBLASTER]

That it would decrease everyone's draw odds.  No risk in applying for multiple categories anymore.

Gotcha... And your probably spot one with that assumption.

theyve already done enough to ruin draw odds (categories) that they just need to leave it alone!

[skeeter 20i]

I would be 100% against letting people return permits and having their points restored. Glad its not getting much attention.

   IMHO It is a risk that is taken when putting in for multiple permits during the same time frame to increase your odds of drawing.  The person doing so knew the risks and submitted anyway they should have to live with the results.

[steeleywhopper]

I would be 100% against letting people return permits and having their points restored. Glad its not getting much attention.

Don't let me return it, just let them fill both tags! Heck the guys earned the points and played the game long enough to finally draw, let him fill both tags if drawn. Charge him for a second tag if draws two permits for same animal.

[bobcat]

I would be 100% against letting people return permits and having their points restored. Glad its not getting much attention.

Don't let me return it, just let them fill both tags! Heck the guys earned the points and played the game long enough to finally draw, let him fill both tags if drawn. Charge him for a second tag if draws two permits for same animal.

That's worse than the idea to allow permits be returned and points restored. It would provide a great incentive for more people to apply in all categories, and odds of drawing just one permit will get worse for everybody.

[Rainier10]

I would be 100% against letting people return permits and having their points restored. Glad its not getting much attention.

Don't let me return it, just let them fill both tags! Heck the guys earned the points and played the game long enough to finally draw, let him fill both tags if drawn. Charge him for a second tag if draws two permits for same animal.

[BULLBLASTER]

I would be 100% against letting people return permits and having their points restored. Glad its not getting much attention.

Don't let me return it, just let them fill both tags! Heck the guys earned the points and played the game long enough to finally draw, let him fill both tags if drawn. Charge him for a second tag if draws two permits for same animal.

People with lots of points in 2009 really earned them in each category?  i was unfortunate enough to draw elk and deer in 2008 after having applied for years in both and i got zero points in all my categories... tell me how you earned all those points and i didnt. 

[BULLBLASTER]

I would be 100% against letting people return permits and having their points restored. Glad its not getting much attention.

Don't let me return it, just let them fill both tags! Heck the guys earned the points and played the game long enough to finally draw, let him fill both tags if drawn. Charge him for a second tag if draws two permits for same animal.

That's worse than the idea to allow permits be returned and points restored. It would provide a great incentive for more people to apply in all categories, and odds of drawing just one permit will get worse for everybody.

[JBar]

I'm no math wiz and this may have already been mentioned but what about a 1 yr waiting period to put in again after you draw? I know this doesn't help on the OIL ( lets be realistic, 99% won't ever draw a OIL tag) tags but it would increase the odds for those that haven't drawn right? 

[BULLBLASTER]

I'm no math wiz and this may have already been mentioned but what about a 1 yr waiting period to put in again after you draw? I know this doesn't help on the OIL ( lets be realistic, 99% won't ever draw a OIL tag) tags but it would increase the odds for those that haven't drawn right? 

this is a good idea but it wont help a whole lot on the popular hunts.

[JBar]

I know it wouldn't be much but a little help is better than no help maybe a 2 year wait on Quality tags or a 2 year wait but still able to build points?

[BULLBLASTER]

I know it wouldn't be much but a little help is better than no help maybe a 2 year wait on Quality tags or a 2 year wait but still able to build points?

i still think the best way to improve draw odds is to eliminate the categories. Go back to one app per species. I feel like a broken record here...  could throw in a 2 year wait tbough for good measure.

This will never happen because it will kill wdfws application cash cow.

[JBar]

What about a minimum points to apply system? Example: Entiat late rifle min 5 points to apply, just brainstorming a bit

[JBar]

I know it wouldn't be much but a little help is better than no help maybe a 2 year wait on Quality tags or a 2 year wait but still able to build points?

i still think the best way to improve draw odds is to eliminate the categories. Go back to one app per species. I feel like a broken record here...  could throw in a 2 year wait tbough for good measure.

This will never happen because it will kill wdfws application cash cow.

I do agree with that but like you said the WDFW makes too much cash off the catergory system.

[huntnphool]

Seems as though wdfw is in a short term game of pacifying hunters with focus on their form of harvest, as in our monies........they want our money and dont want to fix things or right wrongs to earn it..........

They're probably too uncertain (pessimistic maybe?) about the long term.  Predators and greenies, kind of look at the future of steelhead fishing as an example--the lawsuit that stopped hatchery plants in PS region.

Not to thread hijack, but you're confused about this - the lawsuit against hatchery steelhead was driven largely by people who want MORE steelhead - people like my brother, who is a steelhead fishing guide! The data is very clear that the hatcheries are hurting wild steelhead and driving down numbers, not helping them.

The matter of hatcheries hurting wild steelhead is debatable.  At a very minimum, hatcheries produce fish that generate revenue to support wild fish recovery expenses.  Toxic Puget Sound, lost habitat, and offshore fishing operations kill fish.  The idea that hatcheries can be removed without cleaning up Puget Sound, improving habitat, and negotiating harvest with the tribes, Canada, Japan, and Alaska is an unbelievable fairy tale.  The dams and the DFW see a way to cut costs and will cherry pick studies to use as "best science" to support budget goals.  Guides can be misguided.

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