collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: Blazed Ridge mountain goat  (Read 7681 times)

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+27)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 49015
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: jackelope
Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« on: April 21, 2017, 07:03:06 PM »
So why is it that there are no mountain goat special permit hunts available yet the raffle hunter can hunt there?
I was under the impression that there had to be more than 1 permit available in order for the raffle guy to be able to hunt a specific unit?
Anyone know what's up with that?
@norsepeak 

@shanevg
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 08:38:41 PM by jackelope »
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline Naches Sportsman

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2010
  • Posts: 2687
  • Location: Idaho
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 07:05:02 PM »
There should be a permit issued IMO. Tons of goats in the blazed ridge unit.

Offline bugs n bones

  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 1056
  • Location: north bend
  • Groups: WSTA, NRA, SCI
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 08:08:29 PM »
Lots of goats there, just like the 460 unit if you know where to look... It's all about the money...what a joke

Offline MerriamMagician

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2012
  • Posts: 515
  • Location: Eastside
  • Success is the only option
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 04:55:34 PM »
Agreed. There is a huge amount of goats in that unit. They could easily give out 4-5 tags a year for that unit. Instead there hasn't been a tag available in what, 3 years now? Ridiculous  :dunno:
Gobblers only, all jakes must walk

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+27)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 49015
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: jackelope
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 05:02:35 PM »
@Bushcraft
Any insight into this from SCI or the RMGA org?

:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline Jpmiller

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2016
  • Posts: 3830
  • Location: Wilkeson
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2017, 07:33:53 AM »
I was super disappointed when they took away the tag. Maybe this is a sign they are offering it again? Perhaps soon?

And I would agree with the population numbers being ok to hunt. I have not seen any decline in my experience. I'm not scientist though.

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 21190
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA, Hunter Education
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2017, 08:33:42 AM »
The last season a Blazed Ridge goat permit was available was 2014.
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline coachcw

  • Past Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2009
  • Posts: 8815
  • Groups: Team getsum !
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2017, 08:42:55 AM »
see more goats than elk there . the tribal permit covers it though .
My wife told me that I hunt way more than I did when we first got married. I said yeah I know isn't it great !

Offline Tbar

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+26)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2011
  • Posts: 2889
  • Location: Whatcom county
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2017, 08:48:18 AM »
The last season a Blazed Ridge goat permit was available was 2014.
The deviation happened last year and it went from any unit with two tags to unit's opened by the commission, which included blazed.

Offline Tbar

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+26)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2011
  • Posts: 2889
  • Location: Whatcom county
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2017, 09:24:18 AM »
This deviation really calls to question the ethics of the department and more specifically the person in charge of the OIL program.  It is not only is a deviation from the framework,  it is stolen opportunities  (chowder also)  from the rank and file hunters.  With the limited number of tags available and the likelihood of actually drawing it's a sad state of affairs that political pressure would allow stolen opportunities.  I'm all for species specific conservation but this takes it to a whole new level. You are allowing a special interest to control up to 30%, possibly more,  of available harvest  (blazed and chowder+ all other opened).
« Last Edit: April 24, 2017, 08:52:00 PM by Tbar »

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 21190
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA, Hunter Education
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2017, 09:38:37 AM »
1969. ;)
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline Tbar

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+26)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2011
  • Posts: 2889
  • Location: Whatcom county
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2017, 09:44:47 AM »
1969. ;)
If only they had realized reproduction rates were not the same as deer we may not be in this situation.

Offline tonymoe

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2008
  • Posts: 804
  • Location: washougal
    • Goatrocksadventures.com
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2017, 07:59:34 AM »
900? 900 tags??????
Wow!

Offline Rainier10

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2010
  • Posts: 14483
  • Location: Over the edge
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2017, 08:08:21 AM »
This deviation really calls to question the ethics of the department and more specifically the person in charge of the OIL program.  It not only is a deviation from the framework,  it is stolen opportunities  (chowder also)  from the rank and file hunters.  With the limited number of tags available and the likelihood of actually drawing it's a sad state of affairs that political pressure would allow stolen opportunities.  I'm all for species specific conservation but this takes it to a whole new level. You are allowing a special interest to control possibly 30%, possibly more,  of available harvest  (blazed and chowder+ all other opened).
:yike: :yeah: :bash:  That about sums it up.
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

Every father should remember that one day his children will follow his example instead of his advice.


The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of HuntWa or the site owner.

Offline Bushcraft

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 1120
  • Location: Olympic Peninsula
  • Groups: NRA, SCI, NSSF, RMEF, RMGA, MDF, WSF, DU, HHC, WWC, WDAC
Re: Blazed Ridge mountain goat
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2017, 10:13:16 AM »
@Bushcraft
Any insight into this from SCI or the RMGA org?

I'd have to compare and contrast this year's regs against last year, but I seem to recall Blazed Ridge being an option for the raffle tag holder. I'd have to talk with Rich to learn why there isn't a special permit tag for that area.  If I had to guess I suspect it's because they want to spread out the potential impact that the Governor and Raffle tags might have on existing special permit areas.  For example, if there are two tags in a special permit drawing area AND there was a strong interest in the G Tag and Raffle Tag holders to also hunt that area (think Mt. Baker), it stands to reason that potentially four mature billies would be taken out of a given population thereby creating a management dilemma in the following year.

Personally, I think the Governor's and Raffle tags ought to be statewide.  Doing so would take the hunting pressure off of the special permit areas and allow the tag holders to try and harvest older dominant billies in otherwise non-hunted populations.  Those old goats are literally just going to continue propagating inbreeding issues before they die from old age or take a fatal tumble. The former is piss-poor management, the latter is an unfortunate waste.  If I had either tag and the opportunity to do so legally, I wouldn't focus my time and energy on any of the established areas.  Just sayin'.  ;)

Planning is underway with WDFW/RMGA/SCI to do a count/observation in the Alpine Lakes this summer, likely during the July 15-16 weekend.  Stay tuned for details!
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill

Work hard. Hunt hard. Lift other hunters up.

*Proud supporter of NRA, NRA-ILA SCI, SCIF, SCI-PAC, NSSF, RMEF, RMGA, MDF, WSF, DU, WWA, HHC, WWC

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Springer 2024 Columbia River by Blacklab
[Today at 02:35:54 PM]


Springer Fishing Opportunity 3/29 & 3/30 by Blacklab
[Today at 12:48:56 PM]


Long Beach Clamming Tides by dilleytech
[Today at 12:39:19 PM]


Let’s see your best Washington buck by abhold87
[Today at 12:03:27 PM]


Bearpaw Season - Spring 2024 by bearpaw
[Today at 11:45:41 AM]


Walked a cougar down by Rainier10
[Today at 11:17:49 AM]


SB 5444 signed by Inslee on 03/26 Takes Effect on 06/06/24 by hughjorgan
[Today at 09:03:26 AM]


Average by lhrbull
[Today at 07:31:56 AM]


CVA optima V2 LR tapped hole for front sight by Remdawg
[Today at 07:09:22 AM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2024, SimplePortal