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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2017, 11:02:02 AM »
Ok that makes more sense.  Still weird that they made your daughter shoot. At the course they held in Benton City they brought snap caps to show proficiency handling different firearms if an attendee didn't want to shoot. I'd hate to see a youth develop a flinch.

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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 11:26:39 AM »
Some places have a live fire but it isn't required to pass. Usually the parents are asked to stay behind during the field course.
Good luck to her!

Isn't this only for the ones that do the in person class? I heard that the online never has live fire and I thought I read that while taking the online course too?  :dunno:

Live fire or not is at the discretion of the Chief Instructor for any class. Online field day or Traditional class.
The state prefers classes have Live Fire.
If the Instructor states in the beginning or at sign up that the class requires a student Live fire than that's how it is.

This has changed over the past few years. They use to allow students to op out of pulling a trigger. Many Instructors refused to do Live Fire under that policy. ( Everybody shoot or no one shoots.)

Now they simply direct students to other classes if they do not want to Live Fire. (If there are classes without Live Fire)

Also understand that some instructors have no place to conduct a Live Fire. It can be done with BB guns or Pellet guns.

There is also a interest in moving women who are pregnant away from Live Fire classes and to classes where it is not a requirement.

Persons who are restricted by the courts from handling firearms , must inform the Instructors and they will be allowed to go through the class with a bow.

Several years ago the State had to rein in Instructor Teams who were requiring more from the students than the State felt was necessary.   (30 -40 hour classes and other requirements.

Still today the Chief Instructor has leeway on how the class is constructed as long as he follows the States Program. This is why you see and hear of Instructor Teams requiring stuff that really is not necessary, of the student.  And also why some students and parents experience is less than satisfactory.
If I as a parent felt that something was unreasonable during a class, I would contact the Department and ask some questions.

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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 11:36:04 AM »
 :yeah:  well said and thank You! 

I was trying really hard not to be the crazy dad as I felt and still feel that children should not be forced two fire weapons they are not comfortable with. My daughter will not be wingshooting anytime in the foreseeable future so why should she have to shoot a shotgun? The responsibility of teaching children how to actually fire weapons is that of the parent in my opinion.

The two firearms that were available to the class didn't even come close to fitting my child or about half a dozen other kids in the class yet there they were barely able to reach the trigger just banging away. There were literally kids in tears after shooting the 20 gauge shotgun. That's a great way to start out your firearm career :chuckle:

But like I said before, our instructor team was absolutely amazing and truly wanted to see these kids succeed. I can't speak highly enough to their dedication to our youth.  I still feel though that there should not be alive fire and if there is they should have some small guns that fit little shooters adequately. I also feel that the rifle shooting should allow support for the front of the firearm and not making kids shoot standing or from a kneeling
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 11:51:50 AM »
My class was online and had .22 live fire.  My daughter did the in person and .22 live fire.  My son was in person and 20 gauge live fire.  All classes were great and I'm a fan of live fire, both kids had a noticeable change when we switched from the orange guns to live fire and the fact it wasn't me walking them through it left an impression.


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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2017, 11:58:02 AM »
:yeah:  well said and thank You! 

I was trying really hard not to be the crazy dad as I felt and still feel that children should not be forced two fire weapons they are not comfortable with. My daughter will not be wingshooting anytime in the foreseeable future so why should she have to shoot a shotgun? The responsibility of teaching children how to actually fire weapons is that of the parent in my opinion.

The two firearms that were available to the class didn't even come close to fitting my child or about half a dozen other kids in the class yet there they were barely able to reach the trigger just banging away. There were literally kids in tears after shooting the 20 gauge shotgun. That's a great way to start out your firearm career :chuckle:

But like I said before, our instructor team was absolutely amazing and truly wanted to see these kids succeed. I can't speak highly enough to their dedication to our youth.  I still feel though that there should not be alive fire and if there is they should have some small guns that fit little shooters adequately. I also feel that the rifle shooting should allow support for the front of the firearm and not making kids shoot standing or from a kneeling

Folks who teach Hunter Ed are not in it to fail kids.

We use to bring in small .410 ga shotguns for little folks ,but the state put a end to that. Only state owned firearms can be used in Live Fire, thus the 20 ga.

Instructors are not trying to teach kids how to hunt or shoot. That is outside of the scope of the class and really up to the family. They might offer pointers, but really the instructors job is to evaluate the students completion of the necessary elements of the program as outlined by the state.

With that in mind the Live Fire is a final test of the students ability to safely monitor and control  a firearms muzzle. Most Live Fires these day have a instructor next to each student for safety. So if a student can get to and from the gun rack without pointing the firearm at someone they have it made. 
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2017, 01:39:37 PM »
Black Diamond Gun club has one this weekend the 26th.  I will not be at this one.  Taking the weekend off doing some scouting and maybe a little fishing on Monday.  Black Diamond doesn't do a live fire.  It is a blast teaching young kids and answering their questions.  I always say the only stupid question is an unasked question.  I am not out to see kids fail but I do put them on the spot when walking through our course.  Good luck to her.  :tup:
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2017, 03:01:10 PM »
Why doesn't the state purchase some .410 shotguns for use by the students?  :dunno:
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2017, 03:38:44 PM »
I could see the use of .22 for all the skills portion. Shotgun in any form seems a little much.  My kid is signed up for a Sept class. Hopefully I haven't done to much damage to him teaching him my way of firearms training as opposed to what he may see at the course :chuckle:

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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2017, 03:58:24 PM »
My daughter passed at age ten and i sat through it with her with the exception of the field obstacle course.
There was no firing of guns there. It was a good experience for her and i don't think she missed out by not having to shoot a gun.
Of course this was just a part of prepping her to eventually become my archery hunting partner.  :)
She did the course through the Kenmore gun range.
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2017, 04:57:12 PM »
Black Diamond Gun club has one this weekend the 26th.  I will not be at this one.  Taking the weekend off doing some scouting and maybe a little fishing on Monday.  Black Diamond doesn't do a live fire.  It is a blast teaching young kids and answering their questions.  I always say the only stupid question is an unasked question.  I am not out to see kids fail but I do put them on the spot when walking through our course.  Good luck to her.  :tup:
I disagree Russ!  We had "that guy" in our class!  He added 30 min to the class every night qith random hypothetical questions!  All I could do to not turn around and say please shut up :chuckle:
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2017, 05:05:40 PM »
Black Diamond Gun club has one this weekend the 26th.  I will not be at this one.  Taking the weekend off doing some scouting and maybe a little fishing on Monday.  Black Diamond doesn't do a live fire.  It is a blast teaching young kids and answering their questions.  I always say the only stupid question is an unasked question.  I am not out to see kids fail but I do put them on the spot when walking through our course.  Good luck to her.  :tup:
I disagree Russ!  We had "that guy" in our class!  He added 30 min to the class every night qith random hypothetical questions!  All I could do to not turn around and say please shut up :chuckle:
:chuckle: that is funny.   Sorry it happened though. 

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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2017, 07:46:24 PM »
My experience....

Things to know:

-Identify all types of shotguns, break, pump, semi
- know minimum caliber for legal hunting
-know how to identify black tail, mule and white tail deer
-know how to identify caribou
-muzzle control is key
-we shot a 20 guage at ours
-instructors can and will put people on the spot during the field test, not sure if they do with kids as much as adults

If you give your daughter a run down of a few key things, if she doesn't know an answer it's not a big deal. I didn't know a ton of stuff when I did the field test, that's kind of why we are there.

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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2017, 10:07:37 PM »
Thanks guys for all the input! I really appreciate it. She will do great just want to cover the key bases.

Thanks!

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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2017, 09:51:57 AM »
Last nights class at Renton was great, we have two more coming up Sept 11th and 12th, registration opens on September 4th.  These classes fill up fast as hunting season is upon us.

It was awesome to meet Dfresh last night and his son.  I was so impressed with his son's knowledge and ability to handle the firearms.  He did great on the field course and passed the class with flying colors.  His father had obviously worked with him on safe fire arm handling, good job dad.

It was a really good class with 25% of the class being females.  Great to see all the women getting involved in the outdoors.
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Re: Hunter Education Field Skills Training
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2017, 11:25:03 AM »
Woohoo!!!!  Great job guys!

My daughter's class was dominated by females.  Better than half at least.
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