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Offline billythekidrock

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Poacher has to pay PETA
« on: October 17, 2007, 05:42:50 PM »
This might get ya riled up.

http://www.huntthewest.com/updates/updates-poacher.htm

Watch, now PETA will try to make this mandatory across the country.




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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 06:08:12 PM »
Thats BS!  >:(

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2007, 07:44:20 PM »

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 07:50:10 PM »
The loser judge is most likely a PETA member. What the guy did was wrong but making him pay PETA, give me a break. >:(:bash:
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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 08:22:36 PM »
Just more ammo for the PETA freaks. :dunno:

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 03:16:13 PM »
I would appeal that within the hour of the ruling.  What I'm really interested in is whether someone else can appeal it or if they won't have standing to challenge this.  Obviously the guy who plead guilty won't challenge the sentence as he just wants to get on with his life and doesn't want to piss the judge off anymore. 

Judges are allowed to impose reasonable conditions as part of a judgment and sentence.  I would doubt this is considered reasonable.  Some of us attorneys in WA are steaming because a local judge is making individuals work at the courthouse as a greeter for the front door of the courthouse as part of their sentence.  Community service is one thing, but we believe that is going too far. 

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2007, 03:32:11 PM »
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/outdoors/20071017-1018-wst-beardeath.html

Bear-baiting sentence includes donation to anti-hunting group
 
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10:18 a.m. October 17, 2007

ASPEN, Colo. – The punishment for a Minnesota man who pleaded guilty to baiting and illegally killing a bear includes making a $500 donation to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which opposes hunting.
Craig Miller, 43, of Little Canada, Minn., pleaded guilty on Monday to three misdemeanor charges after killing the black bear on Sept. 1. His sentence included probation, loss of hunting privileges and more than $5,000 in fines.


 The PETA donation “wasn't what I was expecting,” said Miller's defense attorney, John Van Ness. “I don't know where that came from, the PETA business. I know they are opposed to fur coats.”
Miller said he would make the contribution as ordered but declined to say whether he thought PETA would use the money well.

Randy Hampton, a spokesman for the state Division of Wildlife, suggested the money could have been better used locally for buying bear-proof garbage containers to discourage the animals from foraging in town, or to support a private wildlife rehabilitation center in Colorado.

He said the agency wasn't consulted beforehand.

PETA spokeswoman Daphna Nachminovitch said this is not the first time someone has been ordered to give money to the group in a criminal case, but it's not common.

“It's a gesture on the part of the judge to say this bear mattered and that a donation should be made in his memory,” she said. “Five-hundred dollars isn't going to make up for the suffering this bear endured.”

The sentence was handed down by retired District Judge Chuck Buss, who was filling in for the vacationing Judge James Boyd.

On its Web site, PETA calls sport hunting “cruel and unnecessary.”
 

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 05:55:52 PM »
That is ridiculous.  No one should be ordered to pay to a private organization.  I hate the poacher just as much as I hate PETA, but this is got be against something.
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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 07:59:20 PM »
 If I just wanted to get on with my life and not risk pissing the judge off further, I would mail PETA 1 penny a month until I payed the fine off or ran out of time, whichever came first. But, knowing me I would appeal the dork judges decision just on principal.

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 02:46:54 PM »
I'd rather go to jail than pay 1 penny to those f**kheads.

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 11:23:22 PM »
I know what your saying but, pride will only get you so far. BTW.....be nice to Bubba when he come's! ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 08:30:53 AM »
If I just wanted to get on with my life and not risk pissing the judge off further, I would mail PETA 1 penny a month until I payed the fine off or ran out of time, whichever came first. But, knowing me I would appeal the dork judges decision just on principal.

my thoughts exactly. it would only take about 140 years.  :ass: stupid poacher paying stupid org.
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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 12:05:51 PM »
Heck, I was told one time, and I don't know how correct this is, but part of our license fees goes to fund the Humane Society...which is anti-hunting as well.... :bash: >:( :dunno:  How stupid is that???





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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2007, 07:20:36 PM »
Thats pretty crappy. No one should be forced to "donate" to any cause they don't agree with. I'd sooner or later get my $500 back in some way.
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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 07:04:45 PM »
I would have not payed the $500 and had a warrant issued for contempt of court. Then I would have sat in jail and costed the colorado tax payers more than $500 in protest of the fine. Sooner or later it would have drawn enough attention to probably been dropped. I would rather sit in jail then pay those nut jobs anything.

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2008, 02:27:42 PM »
 That's total *censored*.

 Unethical to say the least, PETA has been convicted of animal abuse crimes themselves for illegal euphanization, they are DEFINITELY not a viable candidate for a conservation fund.

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2008, 02:29:38 PM »
I would direct my client to pay the $500 to RMEF or FNAWS and then ask the judge to consider the condition satisfied and nullifying the requirement that the payment goes only to PETA.  If he didn't agree, I would appeal.  There are rules on what they can require...at least in WA.

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 06:33:45 PM »
I don't the fees go to that Humane Society, it shouldn't even go to the State Human society it should go to what it was charged for, wildlife management.
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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 06:57:32 PM »
Hey shawn...you got full access lexisnexis... I no longer have any.

Get me an address or even a name and a court house and Ill get the address. I can write a direct letter...

no worries for me. I got the JD but not a member of any bar...So I could hit him up. Just seems wrong and even worse...its a very very very bad legal precedent to set and let live!

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2008, 07:04:58 PM »
Sorry man, i only got access to WA cases.  This appears to be a Colorado case.  If it was a Washington case I could give you everything on it including what the judge was thinking when he ordered it.  The judge is named in the article.  One could write him a letter I suppose...  This also could have been the prosecutor's idea and recommendation to the judge.  Even the defense attorney could have agreed to it as part of a plea I suppose.  If the parties agreed to this as part of the deal, it might not even be something the judge decided.  I'm just saying we would need to find out if the defendant agreed to these conditions or not.  If he did it's on him...

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Re: Poacher has to pay PETA
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2008, 08:21:57 PM »
I realize I am very new to this list however I am not new to PETA and all the damage they do.  I cannot believe a judge ordered someone to pay restitution to an organization that is under federal scrutiny for
1) animal crimes ...unlawful euthanization and disposal that lead to a "littering" conviction and
2) they are affiliated with ALF and ELF two organizations considered domestic terrorists

I hate poachers and thieves of all sorts and I hate PETA......that judge should have had the fine paid to the state wildlife dept. 

of course The Vic case required him to pay anti's as well.........I am beginning to wonder about this country :dunno: :bash:

 


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