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Compound WITHOUT release
« on: March 30, 2018, 06:40:35 PM »
So I bought the woman a new bow. Good bow, in my opinion, to get her going (Bear cruzer G2). It came fully outfitted and ready to go. The deal is, she doesn't want to use a release. I've tried to talk her into it without success. Truth is, she shoots great without one. But I want to remove the release loop for her. Any suggestions on adding a "finger roll" to the string? Or generally outfitting a modern compound to not use a release? Its a long shot question and sort of strange. Any input helps. Thank you in advance
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 07:24:48 PM »
The guy who does Relentless Pursuit on tv shoots a compound instinctively, no release no sights. He is an amazing shot. I don't know if he has any training info out there but might be worth a look.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 07:33:45 PM »
I can check it out. But like I said,  she really is awesome without a release...just was curious about outfitting one for it.
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 09:17:36 PM »
If she wants to shoot without a release that is good for her. Just shoot a glove or a tab just like with a recurve. I shot a compound bow for 10 years without sights and just a glove. The people that can shoot a compound without a release can shoot just about as good as anybody else with practice. Just remember that you shoot the way YOU feel comfortable with and do not worry about how everybody wants you to shoot.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 09:43:49 PM »
There's more to shooting without a release than just taking the D loop off.  The bow needs to be tuned to that style.  Tiller needs to be shorter on the bottom limb, and the rest will most likely need to be positioned just outside of center shot.  There is also the problem of finger pinch with today's shorter bows.  If she has a short draw length that may not be a problem though.

There is a really good reason the release aid is so popular...they just flat work better, and today's modern bows are designed to use them.   :twocents:
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2018, 09:50:45 PM »
I have shot fingers with a compound bow for the last 25 years. I shoot 3 fingers under the arrow , not with the arrow between my index and middle finger. Shooting this way, there is no finger pinch on the arrow which also helps eliminate side to side influence on the arrow.  Shooting this way, you can set up the bow as if you were using a release. Have her try a tab without a spacer attached to it and also without the slot for the arrow. Sorry, tough explaining this by text.
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 09:54:55 PM »
Fred bear shot a compound with fingers from his own company and apparently hated it!

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2018, 09:55:37 PM »
Course he was a diehard StickBow man

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 10:04:07 PM »
Old dog is spot on. I will say that when I shot fingers I shot a glove and shot One finger above and one finger below the nock.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2018, 10:05:39 PM »
When shooting with a release, it is easier to get good faster.
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2018, 10:56:46 PM »
If this person is dialed in shooting fingers and she is happy hitting the 10X that is great for her. Just remember that when you are confident in shooting and hitting at what you are aiming at is what archery is all about. I would set up the bow for her to shoot fingers and if she has a hard time with it she can always go to a release. 

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2018, 09:28:13 AM »
It is hard to compare the guy from relentless pursuit to most archers. There are always those few guys that are extremely great instinctively. Not so much for most people. I shot fingers for 25 years. I drew with 3 and dropped the top finger when at full draw. Part of the purpose of a release is less contact and torque on the string and the arrow. All bows should be set up with the top limb a little faster than the bottom limb. It gives you a little cleaner release even with a release aid. If your wife would like to try different releases I have a Genesis bow with a safe draw and many releases on hand to try.It allows you to draw and fire multiple times without feeling like you have to be careful with a loaded bow and it is only 25 lbs. It is a great learning tool. I would be glad to help in any way I can. I sell Carter releases here at my home. I can get any type very fast. I have shot competitive archery in the Pro division for many years all over the US. If she is a good shot with out a release aid and is most comfortable there that is probably where she should stay. Like I said very few people are that consistent with fingers and it is a game of consistency. There are a lot of variables to consider, Winter weather being one of them. My wife was one of the best finger shooters I had seen for years. She dominated the men's freestyle group with fingers. She became MUCH better with a release Aid... Just saying.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2018, 08:35:57 AM »
I've been told that above 260fps things go downhill pretty quickly. Aerodynamics associated with modern high speed compounds simply do not support finger shooting for the most part. Think about how a modern high speed bow is tuned to "bullet holes" - the goal is to get perfectly axial loads into the arrow via the release.   The act of the string "running around" your fingertips imparts a wobble in the arrow that is hard to overcome. You can get away with it with target points, but broad heads will be a different deal.   I shot a Reflex Caribou for years with fingers at 230fps and it is certainly doable, but the appeal of modern speed finally won me over...

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2018, 10:10:35 AM »
I shot a compound with a glove for years.  One recommendation I heard repeatedly was minimum 34" ATA.  Good luck to her, if she is enjoying what she's doing let her keep doing it.
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2018, 05:39:52 PM »
That bow is only 30" ata. My last try at shooting a short ata modern compound with fingers resulted in  a de- railed  bow sitting in a pile at my feet.  :dunno:
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2018, 05:45:43 AM »
Axle to Axle measurement for any finger shooter with today's technology is relative to the draw length. The shorter the draw length the more possibility for finger pinch. If she has a 24 or 25 in. Draw length she should be able to pull it off. We shot fingers with many different rests over the years. One being the Rover. A 2 prong rest. I set the inside rail higher than the outside rail. Much more durable than a flipper rest. I was also more consistent. A lot depends on her ability. For years everyone said you cannot shoot an overdraw with fingers. They were really sad when my wife would beat them by 100 points shooting fingers, an overdraw and a 2 prong rest. Don't get me wrong. I and my wife both shoot release aids now and I prefer the tight long range groups that it produces. But it is still possible to shoot fingers with today's equipment if it fits properly and the shooter has some skills. No one seems to want to take me up on my offer. Good luck. I hope all works out well.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2018, 05:52:54 AM »
I can’t imagine why anyone would want to shoot fingers on a compound?? It’s like driving around a Ferrari in first gear.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2018, 07:05:11 AM »
Exactly, Usually now days if some one shoots fingers they are shooting a recurve or long bow. Why not get the full potential out of your equipment. Releases make it easier to shoot better with the proper set up.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2018, 07:52:38 AM »
A release can make a bow easier to shoot, but if you're happy with the accuracy you get when shooting with fingers why give up that .5"-1" of draw length?   

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2018, 09:02:21 AM »
There's not a single positive reason to not shoot a release. If I were you I would go to an archery pro shop with your wife and let her shoot a bunch of releases until she finds one that she is comfortable with. Shooting a 30" ATA bow with fingers, even if your draw is only 25", is a bad idea. If she's simply intimidated by the thought of using a release she just needs to find one that she's not intimidated by and fits her well. If she's set on shooting fingers it sounds like you may want to trade in her compound for a recurve that's made to shoot fingers.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 07:40:12 AM »
There's not a single positive reason to not shoot a release. If I were you I would go to an archery pro shop with your wife and let her shoot a bunch of releases until she finds one that she is comfortable with. Shooting a 30" ATA bow with fingers, even if your draw is only 25", is a bad idea. If she's simply intimidated by the thought of using a release she just needs to find one that she's not intimidated by and fits her well. If she's set on shooting fingers it sounds like you may want to trade in her compound for a recurve that's made to shoot fingers.
I have offered many times on here to allow people to come and shoot all of my releases. I have way too many and all of the new items that Carter sells. So far not a single person has taken me up on the offer.. I can shoot any bow without a release. It is a game of consistency. I shoot some bows good with fingers. All of them recurve's or longbows. The difference in my groups CONSISTENTLY with a release are not comparable to those with a recurve. You are not aiming at a paper plate sized kill zone on an animal. It is the size of a dime. If you aim somewhere in the chest instead of an exact spot you will end up wounding animals for many reasons.

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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 09:13:08 AM »
There's not a single positive reason to not shoot a release. If I were you I would go to an archery pro shop with your wife and let her shoot a bunch of releases until she finds one that she is comfortable with. Shooting a 30" ATA bow with fingers, even if your draw is only 25", is a bad idea. If she's simply intimidated by the thought of using a release she just needs to find one that she's not intimidated by and fits her well. If she's set on shooting fingers it sounds like you may want to trade in her compound for a recurve that's made to shoot fingers.
I can think of one positive reason to shoot a compound bow with fingers, because you want to. I shot a compound bow with a finger tab for about 25 years. I killed a bunch of animals shooting that way. I loved shooting my bow that way and had a great time bow hunting. It is true that shooting with a release is a more accurate way to shoot and will extend your effective range.
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2018, 11:51:49 AM »
I can give you a few reasons to shoot a compound bare and without a release:

You can turn the bow on it's side and shoot.  Useful for many hunting situations.
You don't have to worry about mechanical failure, or misplacing the release.
If you are coming or going between traditional and compounds, you still shoot in much the same manner.
You can shoot flying or moving targets more easily.
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Re: Compound WITHOUT release
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2018, 08:59:15 PM »
I can give you a few reasons to shoot a compound bare and without a release:


You don't have to worry about mechanical failure, or misplacing the release.


Until you derail it. There not the same as shooting older compounds.
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