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Dont Educate Em
« on: April 10, 2018, 10:35:18 AM »
Just kind of a reminder to those who will be out scouting Saturday before the Sunday opener.  DONT wander around all day calling at/in birds. Seems every year the day before opening comes alive with people out calling like crazy and making the birds  smart about what's on the other end of those calls.  Some years I've actually seen birds after the opener immediately head off in the opposite direction when they heard a call.  That flock you've been watching will be very leery Sunday if they go running to a call Saturday only to find some person standing there with a camera.  Use your locator call sparingly and don't make them any smarter than they already are.

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 11:37:06 AM »
Thanks for the advice

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 01:56:00 PM »
100%! I listen for gobbles in the morning, move in very slowly and if I can get eyes on them I try to from a distance. If it's too risky and I might get busted then I just back out and leave them alone. You've waited this long why not wait the last 24hours.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 03:06:12 PM »
👍 Good Reminder!


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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 08:29:44 AM »
Looks like Sunday will be a pretty wet day so that may keep a few hunters at home.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2018, 10:12:58 AM »
Looks like Sunday will be a pretty wet day so that may keep a few hunters at home.
And I’ll be out enjoying that liquid sunshine. :chuckle:

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 10:17:35 AM »
Almost like the day before archery elk.  Guys are bugling the day before trying to locate bulls.

I saw a few videos of guys getting gobblers fired up this week with calls.  They are talking and responsive to the call.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 10:18:33 AM »
Good advice.  Unfortunately many don't care.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 11:09:00 AM »
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 11:11:50 AM »
I'm not educating them.....   i'm training them to come when called.    :yike:

Seriously, good reminder. 
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 11:13:57 AM »
good advice..... the rain aint stopping me, it might stop the birds though. either way it'll be better than what I'm doing today. Good luck everybody

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2018, 04:35:18 PM »
I say educate the birds, make em weary! Get em scared! Not as many shot on opening day. Then the late comers will have a better chance.  :) Why not make it a little bit of a challenge? Sounds like a good way of weeding out the good callers/hunters out from the bad?  :dunno:

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2018, 05:37:51 PM »
I say educate the birds, make em weary! Get em scared! Not as many shot on opening day. Then the late comers will have a better chance.  :) Why not make it a little bit of a challenge? Sounds like a good way of weeding out the good callers/hunters out from the bad?  :dunno:
Issue with that is that it might also frustrate the new comers and make them not want to do it anymore. The outdoors and its bounty isn't just for the good callers/hunters. Its for everybody. I agree with not educating the birds or any animal if possible.

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2018, 11:57:33 PM »
I don't see an issue using a shock call(owl, crow, coyote, etc) the day before opener, but please leave your turkey call at home, at camp or in your truck and save it for the 15th.

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2018, 05:27:10 AM »
I like to use an elk bugel about the time the birds are jumping up in the roost.   Turkey calls are for turkey season
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2018, 05:45:08 AM »
I say educate the birds, make em weary! Get em scared! Not as many shot on opening day. Then the late comers will have a better chance.  :) Why not make it a little bit of a challenge? Sounds like a good way of weeding out the good callers/hunters out from the bad?  :dunno:
I have to agree ,Turkey's have the brain the size of a piece of corn ,i really don't think your gonna educate them that much,what's next don't drive the roads in the woods we might educate the grouse. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno:
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2018, 11:00:22 AM »
I say educate the birds, make em weary! Get em scared! Not as many shot on opening day. Then the late comers will have a better chance.  :) Why not make it a little bit of a challenge? Sounds like a good way of weeding out the good callers/hunters out from the bad?  :dunno:
I have to agree ,Turkey's have the brain the size of a piece of corn ,i really don't think your gonna educate them that much,what's next don't drive the roads in the woods we might educate the grouse. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno:

You absolutely will make the birds go silent.  Growing up in Missouri, we had a 2 week season.  First week everyone is out running around, cuttin and gunning.  Second week they won't even answer a box call.  Second week you call agressive, birds will spin around and run the other way.  They learn and they learn quick.  I use to kill some really big toms the second week of the season by going to a wingbone call or I have a really nice Skoal can slate call my Great Granpa made me with a corncob striker.  Softest sweetest purrs and clucks you ever heard.  Soft soft purrs and clucks and patience and you could pull in some big boys.  They absolutely get smarter as the season wears on.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2018, 11:35:25 AM »
I'd love to see a pic of that skoal can slate and corn cob striker.  Pretty cool item to be able to pack out there hunting with. (Assuming you don't just drive the roads in the woods looking for em  :chuckle:)

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2018, 11:50:15 AM »
I'd love to see a pic of that skoal can slate and corn cob striker.  Pretty cool item to be able to pack out there hunting with. (Assuming you don't just drive the roads in the woods looking for em  :chuckle:)


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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2018, 12:04:00 PM »
Good points brought up by everyone.  Personally I would rather hunt birds that have seen some pressure than birds that come running to any old turkey call.  I will target the birds on public lands and high traffic areas.  Sometimes it works out and sometimes it don't.  Good luck to everyone its going to be another great turkey season.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2018, 04:05:20 PM »
I agree, I MUCH perfer to do battle against an old tom.  It's even better if I have to figure out different approaches and calling techniques.  But there are plenty of old birds out there, no need to educate the dumb ones for the average guy.  :)
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2018, 05:14:56 AM »
I agree, I MUCH perfer to do battle against an old tom.  It's even better if I have to figure out different approaches and calling techniques.  But there are plenty of old birds out there, no need to educate the dumb ones for the average guy.  :)
:yeah:   But I prefer a very fired up tom. If he sneaks in quiet I don't want him. I want the tom that is gobbling and strutting. That's the fun for me.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2018, 07:05:54 AM »
I say educate the birds, make em weary! Get em scared! Not as many shot on opening day. Then the late comers will have a better chance.  :) Why not make it a little bit of a challenge? Sounds like a good way of weeding out the good callers/hunters out from the bad?  :dunno:
I have to agree ,Turkey's have the brain the size of a piece of corn ,i really don't think your gonna educate them that much,what's next don't drive the roads in the woods we might educate the grouse. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno:

You absolutely will make the birds go silent.  Growing up in Missouri, we had a 2 week season.  First week everyone is out running around, cuttin and gunning.  Second week they won't even answer a box call.  Second week you call agressive, birds will spin around and run the other way.  They learn and they learn quick.  I use to kill some really big toms the second week of the season by going to a wingbone call or I have a really nice Skoal can slate call my Great Granpa made me with a corncob striker.  Softest sweetest purrs and clucks you ever heard.  Soft soft purrs and clucks and patience and you could pull in some big boys.  They absolutely get smarter as the season wears on.

I’m assuming those were Eastern turkeys correct?

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2018, 08:13:57 AM »
Correct, but I have seen the same thing to a much lesser degree here in WA.  I have battled a few cagy birds here in WA.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2018, 08:20:30 AM »
I agree, I MUCH perfer to do battle against an old tom.  It's even better if I have to figure out different approaches and calling techniques.  But there are plenty of old birds out there, no need to educate the dumb ones for the average guy.  :)
:yeah:   But I prefer a very fired up tom. If he sneaks in quiet I don't want him. I want the tom that is gobbling and strutting. That's the fun for me.

I have had several nice birds that were gobbling and strutting shut up right before they come into view, circle around and sneak in for a peak.  I'm happy to take an ol cagy bird that does that.  One of my most merorable hunts in Missouri was a gobbler who gobbled 75 times on the roost and once he hit the ground.  There had been a really bad thunderstorm right at the end of the day the day before.  I don't think any of his hens were roosted near him.  He was coming in on a line, gobbling his head off.  Then silence.....more silence....I started to wonder did he see something?  More silence...I was about to cluck and yelp with my mouth call, when all of the sudden about 3 feet to my left this huge black figure started to come into my side view.  Full strut, walking in from behind me.  He got right beside me and then I could feel those beady little eyes boring a hole in the side of my head.  Broke out of his strutt and spun and started sprinting has hard as he could for the ridgeline.  I swung around and smoked him about 5 feet from him going over the edge.  Rolled him right out of sight.  Fricken awesome hunt!!!
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2018, 09:11:34 PM »
When I first read this, I was a little taken aback by those who presume to tell others how to hunt, then I thought about it, and got all worked up.  First off, I bet that less than 5% of the hunters will actually scout and those that do, probably have enough brains in their heads to figure out how to find the birds.  Those that don't will quickly learn.  For those internet judges who think they know so much about turkeys that they can give the rest of us advice on how to hunt, go suck a lemon.  For those that go out there and scout, do it any way you want.  Best of luck to all of you. 

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2018, 10:12:39 PM »
Seem like a lot of worry for reptiles with wings.

In Oklahoma I could put a decoy out along the edge of a field and birds would come running to it and we would kill them. This was years ago when the decoys weren't as pretty as they are now.

In Kansas my buddy said he yelped three time a bird came running shot it. The next day he went out the yelped three times a bird came running and my buddy said he just could not do it, it was too easy. He waited till the last week of the season to kill his second bird. He also put out a strutting decoy and said birds came right to it, he thinks using a decoy should be illegal (his opinion).

Here is not much different, I was looking for a place to use the facilities yelped and a bird came right to me. I have had two birds fighting basically come right to me. I took my neighbor out for his first hunt and he killed two the first time out. Last year I killed a bird I believe it was on the 4 of May in the evening and another in the morning on the 5th of May.

I am not telling anyone how to hunt I am just saying they are only turkeys. Relax and Good hunting.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2018, 07:12:40 AM »
Everyone has good points. I'm just as excited to get out there and carry a gun... good luck to all but more importantly Have FUN!!!

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2018, 07:49:22 AM »
I think all wild animals and birds are more wary than many people realize. It's really a two way road, every time animals/birds experience something involving hunters they learn from that experience, but so do hunters. If some birds are educated prior to the opening day I just figure that ensures a greater chance for more survivors and I don't blame anyone for wanting to practice their hunting tactics, most hunters don't get many opportunities to refine their hunting techniques in real hunting situations. If a hunter calls in a bird prior to season and has no luck during open season they will have at least learned from that calling experience that they had prior to season. So yes, any hunting activities do educate wildlife, but those activities also educate hunters, and fun experiences are what is really needed to keep hunters involved in our sport.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2018, 07:58:09 AM »
 :chuckle:

First off, no one is telling someone what they must or must not do.  It's called friendly advice, lots of people ask for it and some folks like to offer it up.  Take it or leave it.  You want to make it harder for yourself and other hunters, knock yourself out.  If you call in gobblers and spook them, before or during the season, you will make that bird harder to kill next time, you just will.  Want to call birds in before the season, have at it.  You're just making THAT bird harder to call in the next time if you spook him.  Call him in and he walks away on his own you probably haven't done much if any damage.  And yes every year a novice walks out into the woods and scratches out a yelp or two and sure enough a gobbler comes running in and gets smoked.  But I take guys most every year that has never shot a bird and they have been working hard at it for a while.  I've also met guys who thought it was easy and then go several seasons with out killing a bird.  It's all part of the fun.  Now I have to go find a lemon.   :chuckle:
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2018, 09:41:37 PM »
I say educate the birds, make em weary! Get em scared! Not as many shot on opening day. Then the late comers will have a better chance.  :) Why not make it a little bit of a challenge? Sounds like a good way of weeding out the good callers/hunters out from the bad?  :dunno:
Issue with that is that it might also frustrate the new comers and make them not want to do it anymore. The outdoors and its bounty isn't just for the good callers/hunters. Its for everybody. I agree with not educating the birds or any animal if possible.
I was just giving a different point of view. I agree also to not educate the birds. But people being people are still gonna do whatever they think is right in their own mind.  :)
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2018, 08:54:48 PM »
Sorry, had to go turkey hunting and I was thinking about this subject: if calling the day before season would be an issue wouldn't the youth turkey season the week before be an issue.
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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2018, 06:57:04 AM »
I tend to help with any youth hunts but threewolves has a point, let them hunt turkeys free for there first go with one opener.

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Re: Dont Educate Em
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2018, 07:13:07 AM »
I tend to help with any youth hunts but threewolves has a point, let them hunt turkeys free for there first go with one opener.

The youth season is also based on the turkey behavior.  It’s basically a “Quality Turkey” season that gives youth an edge.  Considering the decline of hunter participation, I wouldn’t be too concerned with the youth educating birds.  :twocents:

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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2018, 09:50:07 AM »
Amen
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