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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2018, 07:31:28 PM »
It would be easier to draw with fewer hunters, but I believe our future depends on developing and nurturing more hunters. More and more urbanization, less acceptance of hunting.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2018, 08:13:17 PM »
All isn't lost, but only complaining won't help. The fact is that not enough folks are involved with conservation orgs or with sportsmen advocacy groups.

Most are skeptical of the WDFW. I under stand why.  Whom do you trust to shoot it to you straight? Do you belong to any kind of sportsmen/conservation group? Do they have some one whom attends local gov meeting in regards to sportsmen issues? If not help out. If they do the help those folks spread the information.

The Yakima herd 2 years ago had a bad winter kill. This last winter was super light and elk didn't come down to the lower levels so the herd could be surveyed. We don't know the herds health but should his fall.

If your not going to get I evolved in an organization then at a bare min you should start stacking up predators.  If you give up on deer and elk buy a cougar tag with small game and rain hot death of coyotes, bobcats and Cougars. 2c

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I’m involved in the RMEF and the WSB and I comment on the proposed rule changes and have attended the WDFW meetings. On top of that I spent this morning trying to get a bear removed from Kapowsin. I would consider myself complaining about the way things are going and I am open to ideas on how to make change. Is there something more that we should be doing?  If I knew where to be and what to say I will be there, let me know.
Convince more people to take one step like you have. Things arnt well but all isn't lost.

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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2018, 08:47:07 PM »
All the best habitat in the world isn't going to help if an area is in a predator pit. 

The habitat is fine in most areas, or rather, it's not up to carrying capacity so we need to keep that in the back of our minds (Yes, It's ALWAYS a good idea to improve habitat) but that isn't where the most need is currently. 

We must have predator control.   Higher success rates will draw more hunters, more game means more successful draws. 

Killing predators and reducing cow/doe tags is how you build herds, once the herd is robust improving habitat can increase the herd even more, but we're a long ways off from focusing mostly on habitat even though it's sexy and leftist friendly to talk about habitat. 




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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2018, 09:26:47 PM »
All the best habitat in the world isn't going to help if an area is in a predator pit. 

The habitat is fine in most areas, or rather, it's not up to carrying capacity so we need to keep that in the back of our minds (Yes, It's ALWAYS a good idea to improve habitat) but that isn't where the most need is currently. 

We must have predator control.   Higher success rates will draw more hunters, more game means more successful draws. 

Killing predators and reducing cow/doe tags is how you build herds, once the herd is robust improving habitat can increase the herd even more, but we're a long ways off from focusing mostly on habitat even though it's sexy and leftist friendly to talk about habitat. 




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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2018, 09:44:31 PM »
 :yeah:

There’s too many predators in too many places.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2018, 06:48:36 AM »
KF does way more than most, his work on a large scale with accurate predator management would make a big difference, try to float that with Jay,s office.

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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2018, 10:53:56 AM »
When the day comes that Wa isn't a Liberal cesspool I will have hope again, until then I just see it for what is.

Great. More permits for the rest of us.

Hey. Just trying to stay positive.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2018, 12:10:46 PM »
So you don’t hunt here?
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2018, 01:38:43 PM »
So you don’t hunt here?
I hunt here just don't pay extra for the draw permitts. I'm guessing that's what he is saying.

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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2018, 01:47:57 PM »
So you don’t hunt here?
Never applied for specials.  Never bought Disc pass.  Didn't hunt last year for first time in long time.  Work had some to do with that besides frustration.  Not hunting Wa this year either. I choose to support a state that respects hunters and outdoor lifestyle.  I would love to fight in Wa but to be honest it is hopeless.  WAY to many Libs.  We can settle for whats left and lie to ourselves all we want but its true this state has went to ---- and isn't coming back from abyss.  I have 44 years in this state to know what has been lost and I did not live in the city.  All have perspectives and many are uber positive and I only know what I have lived.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2018, 02:24:54 PM »
We had record numbers of elk in Yakima county until WDFW went full retard and issued thousands of cow tags for muzzy and rifle.  Top that off with otc cows early and late archery.  Then big winter of 2016 and all of a sudden we go from like 13k animals to 8k.  Well duh!!!! 

That said, herds will always spike and fall.  To say the sky is falling and there's no hope is silly.  It's a breeding renewable resource folks.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2018, 03:17:28 PM »
We had record numbers of elk in Yakima county until WDFW went full retard and issued thousands of cow tags for muzzy and rifle.  Top that off with otc cows early and late archery.  Then big winter of 2016 and all of a sudden we go from like 13k animals to 8k.  Well duh!!!! 

That said, herds will always spike and fall.  To say the sky is falling and there's no hope is silly.  It's a breeding renewable resource folks.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2018, 04:54:59 PM »


Can anybody name a unit with increasing elk #'s over last 5-10 years?

418, 437, 426, 448

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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2018, 06:18:36 PM »
It would be easier to draw with fewer hunters, but I believe our future depends on developing and nurturing more hunters. More and more urbanization, less acceptance of hunting.

 :yeah:  That is absolutely one of the biggest determining factors. Unless our Hunter ED system is set up to teach more hunters than are dieing off each year then hunting will continue to decline.
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Re: When should you consider “all hope is lost?”
« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2018, 06:24:26 PM »
We had record numbers of elk in Yakima county until WDFW went full retard and issued thousands of cow tags for muzzy and rifle.  Top that off with otc cows early and late archery.  Then big winter of 2016 and all of a sudden we go from like 13k animals to 8k.  Well duh!!!! 

That said, herds will always spike and fall.  To say the sky is falling and there's no hope is silly.  It's a breeding renewable resource folks.

This!!!

But tomorrow we’ll all get together and roast the wdfw for taking away cow tags.
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