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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2018, 10:50:42 AM »
I support it. These are reasonable changes to a disjointed system. If gun owners and hunters continue to try and block literally anything that society tries to do to improve gun safety, we'll be left by the side of the road. The problem IS the easy access to firearms for people who shouldn't have it.

I had to take a course to hunt. I have to have a license to drive. I got NO problem with both being imposed on people who want to own a firearm.

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but there it is.

The problem is not easy access to firearms.. When I was in high school kids had firearms in rifle racks out in plain view. The problem is worthless idiots having children and not instilling a moral and ethical code into them.
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2018, 11:36:56 AM »
I support it. These are reasonable changes to a disjointed system. If gun owners and hunters continue to try and block literally anything that society tries to do to improve gun safety, we'll be left by the side of the road. The problem IS the easy access to firearms for people who shouldn't have it.

I had to take a course to hunt. I have to have a license to drive. I got NO problem with both being imposed on people who want to own a firearm.

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but there it is.

I have no problem if you give up all of your guns first.

So if we give up all our rights violent criminals will stop committing crimes. Sounds like sound Seattle logic to me just like the head tax on businesses.

Surprised anti gun nuts hang out on hunting forums :dunno: Any excuse to confiscate and ban firearms by the nut bags

Here's another organization you can support too as a so called hunter

https://www.peta.org/

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2018, 11:39:06 AM »
I-594, now this, what's next?  Npaul, you are catastrophically misguided.
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2018, 11:44:11 AM »
I think everyone is missing the point.
The people wanting these laws do not want to solve the problem. They do not care who gets killed and use every killing to further their cause.

All these laws have one aim, to encumber legal gun owners to the point that they just stop owning guns. Tighten the noose tighter and tighter until owing a gun just isn't worth the bother.  Where one mis-step with a gun law make you a felon. Most will give in.

When that happens it will send fragments into every aspect of or lives and the results will be very bad.
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2018, 11:49:20 AM »
npaull has his 1st amendment rights to say what he said, BUT that doesn't give him the Right to contradict the 2nd Amendment!

The only reason I purchased a "safe" was to prevent any "five finger discount" that might happen!!  Once I had it, ALL my children and wife was taught how to open it.   PLUS they all knew where the "loaded gun('s)" was/were in the house(at all times).  I don't believe in "trigger locks" removing bolts, or barrel chain locks,  when I want or need a firearm, that is what I want, NOT some junk stuck to it.   Brings up the ole saying, "when seconds count....."

If your not confident to TEACH your children well, by all means be Sheep of the liberal mindset.   Firearms are just a "tool" and as is with ALL tools they can be dangerous in the wrong hands and can harm or Kill you, when not used properly.

"being imposed on people" by other people is nothing more then outright Socialism,  I prefer to live in a Republic!!

And yes, cougartail,  there are to many LAZY parents in today's America.   All to eager to give up on their Rights and Freedom's for an emotional fix of "feeling safe"!! :bdid:
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2018, 12:18:14 PM »
I support it. These are reasonable changes to a disjointed system. If gun owners and hunters continue to try and block literally anything that society tries to do to improve gun safety, we'll be left by the side of the road. The problem IS the easy access to firearms for people who shouldn't have it.

I had to take a course to hunt. I have to have a license to drive. I got NO problem with both being imposed on people who want to own a firearm.

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but there it is.

The problem is not easy access to firearms.. When I was in high school kids had firearms in rifle racks out in plain view. The problem is worthless idiots having children and not instilling a moral and ethical code into them.

I bet Paul Allen texting/drink during driving. He must have break LOTS of Laws. NO matter how Rich/Liberals think they are all INNOCENT. The problem IS the easy access to Beer/Whiskey/phone/Marijuana for people who shouldn't have it.

Other perspective: People need take class to get "lic to buy Beer/Whiskey, Phone, Marijuana etc before driving". I think the biggest problem in world with all high volume of accident are blamed on Texting, drinking, Marijuana during driving and NOT just "GUNS" It hurt our MONEY from Taxes for all Courts, Jail, etc that Parent/children doesn't care about any *censored* about other people safety and it caused  increase Insurance monthly, it hurt all other families Insurance etc because NO Parents or children will never learn.....  It impacted a lot of families in World from OTHER people who doesn't have heart Parents. They should have make a Law for every couples who want a baby. To be sure they know all rules, Moral, Roles, Jobs, Degree, stable life. 30 percent of Parents  simple making more babies and threw them on street are making PROBLEM in World. Not just guns.
Just like kids eat Tide Pods etc What kind of children in those days and I blame on 80% Teachers/College by brainwashing on all students base on what they believe in.   That's huge problem with most of PARENTS by not being spend time with children.... NOT just guns....   :twocents:

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Every year, about 421,000 people are injured in crashes that have involved a driver who was distracted in some way. Each year, over 330,000 accidents caused by texting while driving lead to severe injuries. This means that over 78% of all distracted drivers are distracted because they have been texting while driving.

Every day, almost 29 people in the United States die in alcohol-impaired vehicle crashes—that's one person every 50 minutes

This amounts of Marijuana  7.1 drivers in fatal crashes per hour.
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2018, 12:42:35 PM »
I support it. These are reasonable changes to a disjointed system. If gun owners and hunters continue to try and block literally anything that society tries to do to improve gun safety, we'll be left by the side of the road. The problem IS the easy access to firearms for people who shouldn't have it.

I had to take a course to hunt. I have to have a license to drive. I got NO problem with both being imposed on people who want to own a firearm.

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but there it is.

The problem is not easy access to firearms.. When I was in high school kids had firearms in rifle racks out in plain view. The problem is worthless idiots having children and not instilling a moral and ethical code into them.
:yeah:  It keeps getting harder to get firearms and it doesn't phase the nut jobs.  People need to wake up and realize their little 'precious' is a little bit off and quit with the libby hope that removal of firearms will make their nut jobs into functional members of society.

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2018, 01:37:21 PM »
Using all the season holder ticket money to swing the anti gun initiatives, way to go P Allen. I have never been to a Seahawk game since his ownership and never plan on going.

Didn't this guy just locate a bunch of WWII planes and ships in the Pacific? Those dead veterans would sure have loved to have a so called "assault Rifle" and then give you Mr. Allen your liberty.

This is such a ridiculous initiative. They classify one group of people who should and shouldn't own a firearm.
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2018, 02:42:00 PM »
Just read the initiative and its beyond ridiculous in my opinion in a few ways; specifically this section makes me laugh and angry at once;

"In addition to the other requirements of this chapter, no
dealer may deliver a semiautomatic assault rifle to the purchaser
thereof until:
(a) The purchaser provides proof that he or she has completed a
recognized firearm safety training program within the last five
years that, at a minimum, includes instruction on:
(i) Basic firearms safety rules;
(ii) Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and
talking to children about gun safety;
(iii) Firearms and suicide prevention;
(iv) Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use;
(v) Safe handling of firearms; and
(vi) State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited
firearms transfers.
The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or
municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a
nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified
by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers
firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a
certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training
included the minimum requirements; and
(b) The dealer is notified in writing by (i) the chief of police
or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser resides
that the purchaser is eligible to possess a firearm under
RCW 9.41.040 and that the application to purchase is approved by the
chief of police or sheriff; or (ii) the state that the purchaser is
eligible to possess a firearm under RCW 9.41.040, as provided in
subsection (3)(b) of this section;"

Where does the encroachment on the 2nd amendment stop if this is passed?  Glad I live in Montana now.

So the LAST time this got very far, the Dems jumped up and said "We just won't fund the classes, that will shut down transfers and sales.  Look for the same thing. 

Also notice the transfer of responsibility from the thief to the victim in the case of a stolen firearm.  YOU too can be a FELON because someone stole your gun... 

AND notice that the state and its organs neatly absolve THEMSELVES of any liability of any sort in any way.

Ptui.
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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2018, 02:48:47 PM »
I think everyone is missing the point.
The people wanting these laws do not want to solve the problem. They do not care who gets killed and use every killing to further their cause.

All these laws have one aim, to encumber legal gun owners to the point that they just stop owning guns. Tighten the noose tighter and tighter until owing a gun just isn't worth the bother.  Where one mis-step with a gun law make you a felon. Most will give in.

When that happens it will send fragments into every aspect of or lives and the results will be very bad.

To the banners.... “What are you planning to do that you think the firearms owners are going to want to shoot you?

"You dont need guns" they said....

"Get on the Train" they said....
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Whatta ya mean I can't have one of each?

What we have here is...Washington Department of NO Fish and WATCHABLE Wildlife.
 
WDFW is going farther and farther backwards....we need FISH AND GAME back!

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2018, 03:53:18 PM »
I think everyone is missing the point.
The people wanting these laws do not want to solve the problem. They do not care who gets killed and use every killing to further their cause.

All these laws have one aim, to encumber legal gun owners to the point that they just stop owning guns. Tighten the noose tighter and tighter until owing a gun just isn't worth the bother.  Where one mis-step with a gun law make you a felon. Most will give in.

When that happens it will send fragments into every aspect of or lives and the results will be very bad.

It`s nice to see more folks are catching on :tup:

It hasn`t been about saving lives for a long, long, long time.

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2018, 03:58:57 PM »
I support it. These are reasonable changes to a disjointed system. If gun owners and hunters continue to try and block literally anything that society tries to do to improve gun safety, we'll be left by the side of the road. The problem IS the easy access to firearms for people who shouldn't have it.

I had to take a course to hunt. I have to have a license to drive. I got NO problem with both being imposed on people who want to own a firearm.

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but there it is.

You're extremely naive, at best. You're talking about making a law to keep people from breaking laws when they're already willing to break laws. This will have zero positive result because they don't care what the law is. Which of the proposed laws do you think will make criminals and insane people follow the law now? And as far as the anti-gun crowd is concerned, if you believe they're going to stop with an age limit law, you haven't been paying attention at all. Look around the country. Gun confiscation is now happening in NY, CT, CA, and HI. They're not stopping at age limits or gun registration or magazine capacity. That's not the end game.

You mention that you need licenses for hunting and driving. Hunting and driving are privileges. Constitutional rights are not. They're sacrosanct. Should you need to take a course on how to be secure in your person and possessions to be able to take advantage of the 4th Amendment? No. Do you need a course to voice your opinion publicly to take advantage of your rights under the 1st Amendment? No. Should we also restrict the rental of trucks, the sale of gasoline? The tool is not the problem. As far as the schools are concerned, well-meaning liberals helped to create this atmosphere of killing opportunity when the gun free zones law was established in the 90s. Another law being completely ignored by criminals and only observed by those who aren't a threat.

By the way, Australia has basically the same murder rate today as it had before they passed their sweeping gun laws. The only thing their gun ban achieved was to make law-abiding citizens more vulnerable. If you want to save lives, improve security at schools, improve public reporting and reaction by law enforcement, improve education of students AND parents, and improve access to mental healthcare. Disarming me will not make anyone except the criminals more safe.

Look, if your guns or your mental state scare you, by all means, give up your firearms. Let me know and I'll help. But don't bugger me and tell me I'm getting a colonoscopy for my own good.

 :yeah:

This $$ has been wasted.  It's his to waste, but it would be nice to see someone with this amount of cash stand up and donate it to researching the mental health aspect of these shootings. He could have started a trend with his money and influence that others would follow, instead it was par for the course.

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2018, 09:51:29 PM »
I support it. These are reasonable changes to a disjointed system. If gun owners and hunters continue to try and block literally anything that society tries to do to improve gun safety, we'll be left by the side of the road. The problem IS the easy access to firearms for people who shouldn't have it.

I had to take a course to hunt. I have to have a license to drive. I got NO problem with both being imposed on people who want to own a firearm.

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but there it is.

Hunting and driving are privileges. The 2nd amendment is a right. This is the exact same thing as needing a license for the first amendment or the fourth amendment.

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2018, 06:53:33 AM »
Just read the initiative and its beyond ridiculous in my opinion in a few ways; specifically this section makes me laugh and angry at once;

"In addition to the other requirements of this chapter, no
dealer may deliver a semiautomatic assault rifle to the purchaser
thereof until:
(a) The purchaser provides proof that he or she has completed a
recognized firearm safety training program within the last five
years that, at a minimum, includes instruction on:
(i) Basic firearms safety rules;
(ii) Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and
talking to children about gun safety;
(iii) Firearms and suicide prevention;
(iv) Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use;
(v) Safe handling of firearms; and
(vi) State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited
firearms transfers.
The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or
municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a
nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified
by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers
firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a
certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training
included the minimum requirements; and
(b) The dealer is notified in writing by (i) the chief of police
or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser resides
that the purchaser is eligible to possess a firearm under
RCW 9.41.040 and that the application to purchase is approved by the
chief of police or sheriff; or (ii) the state that the purchaser is
eligible to possess a firearm under RCW 9.41.040, as provided in
subsection (3)(b) of this section;"

Where does the encroachment on the 2nd amendment stop if this is passed?  Glad I live in Montana now.

So the LAST time this got very far, the Dems jumped up and said "We just won't fund the classes, that will shut down transfers and sales.  Look for the same thing. 

Also notice the transfer of responsibility from the thief to the victim in the case of a stolen firearm.  YOU too can be a FELON because someone stole your gun... 

AND notice that the state and its organs neatly absolve THEMSELVES of any liability of any sort in any way.

Ptui.

So according to this we would need to attend a class every 5 years to legally possess/purchase “semi automatic assault rifles?”  Is their a definition of what will be considered a “semi automatic assault rifles?” Or is this the way they are opening the door to make everyone go to the class to own a firearm?

Does any of these required classes exist or would they need to be created?

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Re: Paul Allen, most influential anti-gun advocate in Washington
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2018, 09:51:18 PM »
Not to derail this thread, but I had a real life anecdote recently, which doesn't seem to fit the narrative of this proposal supported by Mr. Allen.

Not too long ago, there was a soft knock at our front door about 0100. We live not far from Western State, as well as a bunch of local adult homes (thanks DSHS). Didn't answer the door, but did prepare myself just in case. Dogs barked at the knock, which actually happened again, and this time, the door rattled as if someone was trying to open it. Went to look out the upstairs window, and watched a guy go down the street going up to several other houses. My wife called 911. The guy came back to our door again and knocked and tried to open it, and then moved off into the shadows. Lost sight of him. Shortly, a patrol car slowly came down the street in response to the 911 call, and I went out to meet them (not as prepared as before, if you catch my drift). They eventually found the guy, and later called me back to give me an update, which I appreciated. As I suspected, he was out from a local "adult home". Considering some of the folks placed in some of these homes, you never know what to expect.

The point of this tale, occurred a week or so later. I ran into one of our neighbors who is a county sheriff. I related the story, and his first response was "I hope you went to the door carrying a .45". I told him that I didn't answer the door, but that I was better armed than with a .45, and that due to the suspicious nature of the individual, called 911 instead. He then asked "how long did it take them to get there"? He already knew a good estimate of the time-11 minutes. He then told me that under that same scenario, he would go to the door with a glock in each hand.

His opinion expressed to me, and also confirmed with a previous conversation I had with our County Sheriff, was that we do not need any more laws. LEO needs the freedom to actually go after the bad guys (suggested that they already know who a lot of these folks are, such as gang members, etc) and then the system actually needs to appropriately prosecute/enforce the criminals/law. Also, the mentally ill need a little more management and supportive care than they are getting. Unfortunately, as most of us know, this is not supported by the current administration as it doesn't fit their political agenda (my words, not the folks I talked to about this subject although the message was clear). Regardless of the mental status, of the person (or is he on drugs, etc? as he wasn't acting normally), I am glad I did not have to deal with an unknown person in an unknown condition in the house in the middle of the night, if he had broken in. Might not have been a happy outcome.

So, as many of us realize, this really does seem to be mostly, (if not completely) about limiting and making gun ownership more difficult, as well as potentially making an otherwise law abiding citizen a criminal or even felon, depending on what penalties they come up with for any violation, if this proposal passes.

 


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