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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 03:42:45 PM »
I believe that. I've seen incredible days in the last 5 years, but I know they are the exception. Those days almost make me sad when I'm out there because I know that's what it used to be like all the time. When I sat at Hartzell's this spring watching that push of fish come through at dark, I couldn't help but think of what it was like before nets stretched all the way across the river. Would have been impressive to see.
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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2018, 03:50:57 PM »
To me, the bottom line is the court decided in favor of the fish. Why would that be a bad thing?

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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2018, 04:18:33 PM »
The sooner the culverts are removed, the sooner that excuse is done away with and can get closer to the issues of SE AK commies and tribal nets. 

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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2018, 04:29:59 PM »
The sooner the culverts are removed, the sooner that excuse is done away with and can get closer to the issues of SE AK commies and tribal nets.

Im all for reducing blockages such as culverts... Until River specific numbers studies can be done all solutions are a shot in the dark. It leads me to believe this is less about Salmon than it is about water, and the control that can be exerted. Ironic that information already collected cannot be used to help solve the problem.  :twocents:
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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2018, 03:01:53 PM »
My prediction is they will not stop gill netting until there is nothing left to catch. Then say it was logging and culverts, lack of farm buffs or whatever .
Then demand money from the government (state and federal), and will get it, because “WE” destroyed their fish runs.

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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2018, 05:45:55 AM »
My prediction is they will not stop gill netting until there is nothing left to catch. Then say it was logging and culverts, lack of farm buffs or whatever .
Then demand money from the government (state and federal), and will get it, because “WE” destroyed their fish runs.

My thoughts exactly. Some(not all) of the tribes are a big part of the problem that they are trying to make others fix without addressing the gillnet and wasteage issue!

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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2018, 08:21:48 AM »
I see the Lumi Tribe is going after the whole Puget Sound clear into Canada's waters as their's.

They send demands to the Feds that THEY need to be "contacted" over ANY thing that goes on ANY where on their "Sea"!!

Any example or source for “what you see”?


The Lummi's are claiming the "Salish Sea" as their ancestral fishing grounds.   Its not a law suit yet but they are working at making it one.

Just for giggles I found this!

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/seeking-to-free-a-puget-sound-orca-lummi-nation-launches-trek-to-miami/

I would love to give my "source" but it to fresh to be on the internet yet.   

People have forgotten WHO Gov. Booth G. and Weyerhaeuser used to come to the east side years ago and kill/Poach deer in the Methow!   I made a few hundred bucks for turning them in.  I would have made a lot more but the poachers made it back to their reservation  before the game wardens could catch them :bash:

Still remember the public meeting in Lake Chelan over the illegal dealings by Booth and Associates!!  Ole Booth should have been put in jail over it!

Our "two tiered" justice system has been around for a long time, its nothing new!
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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2018, 09:29:03 AM »
 :dunno: What is the direction of your post Timber?

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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2018, 10:17:08 AM »


The Lummi's are claiming the "Salish Sea" as their ancestral fishing grounds.   Its not a law suit yet but they are working at making it one.

Just for giggles I found this!

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/seeking-to-free-a-puget-sound-orca-lummi-nation-launches-trek-to-miami/

I would love to give my "source" but it to fresh to be on the internet yet.   

People have forgotten WHO Gov. Booth G. and Weyerhaeuser used to come to the east side years ago and kill/Poach deer in the Methow!   I made a few hundred bucks for turning them in.  I would have made a lot more but the poachers made it back to their reservation  before the game wardens could catch them :bash:

Still remember the public meeting in Lake Chelan over the illegal dealings by Booth and Associates!!  Ole Booth should have been put in jail over it!

Our "two tiered" justice system has been around for a long time, its nothing new!

What does the Lummi wishing the Orca Tokitae was no longer kept at the Miami Seaquarium have to do with any of your other claims?  And what does Weyerhauser and Booth Gardner's supposed poaching ring have to do with culverts?

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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2018, 10:25:44 AM »


The Lummi's are claiming the "Salish Sea" as their ancestral fishing grounds.   Its not a law suit yet but they are working at making it one.

Just for giggles I found this!

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/seeking-to-free-a-puget-sound-orca-lummi-nation-launches-trek-to-miami/

I would love to give my "source" but it to fresh to be on the internet yet.   

People have forgotten WHO Gov. Booth G. and Weyerhaeuser used to come to the east side years ago and kill/Poach deer in the Methow!   I made a few hundred bucks for turning them in.  I would have made a lot more but the poachers made it back to their reservation  before the game wardens could catch them :bash:

Still remember the public meeting in Lake Chelan over the illegal dealings by Booth and Associates!!  Ole Booth should have been put in jail over it!

Our "two tiered" justice system has been around for a long time, its nothing new!
What does the Lummi wishing the Orca Tokitae was no longer kept at the Miami Seaquarium have to do with any of your other claims?  And what does Weyerhauser and Booth Gardner's supposed poaching ring have to do with culverts?
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Re: Washington state loses big legal battle over salmon culverts
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2018, 09:36:07 AM »
I have to be honest, this doesn't bother me. It seems that to get people to do the right thing, they need to get their pants sued off. Will this have an immediate and significant impact? No, but improving wild salmon runs is a long game, and having more habitat available to use is important.

In the same breath. I don't give the tribes a big pat on the back, especially most of our Western WA tribes. I was on the Skagit system fishing this weekend and had to consider a few things. Back in the day (10 years ago), I could go to the Skagit on a June day and without any effort, catch dozens of Dolly Varden and Bull Trout. They were thick. They were feasting on out migrating Chum and Silver fry, which you would catch a lot of as well on small spinners/spoons. You could hardly use bait on a diver because it was constantly being picked apart by fry and inhaled by dollies.

In the winter you would see thousands, and I mean THOUSANDS of chums spawning. When the spawn was done, the river banks would be lined for miles with rotting carcasses, filling the river with nutrients. I would often fish in December high in the system and catch about as many dollies and wild rainbows as I wanted. A bead or flesh fly was irresistible. This last December I had an afternoon to fish and wanted to make the most of it, so I went to my most productive upriver spot. There wasn't a chum to be found. Not one. There were also no dollies or rainbows. My journal indicated that on that day 8 years prior I had landed 60 fish in that run that had no less than 500 chums spawning in it.

It was right about that time frame that CHum and Pink roe became a commodity, and the Indians and white commercials began seining and gill netting these fish. They have literally fished the Skagit, Skykomish, and Stilliguamish OUT of chums, and pinks are next.

These massive salmon runs are the key to a healthy river system's carrying capacity. Without the carcasses and spawn, there are no nutrients to feed the Dollies and Rainbows that used to dwell there. There is nothing for the bugs to eat that feed the steelhead smolt that live in the river for a year before heading to sea (why are our wild steelhead numbers dwindling despite no wild harvest in Puget Sound for decades?). I won't blame it all on the Indians, whites net these fish too, but when you hear the Indians pissing and moaning this winter that they were catching more Atlantics in their nets than the chums they were trying to catch for their CHUM HATCHERY, it really speaks volumes. There should never be a need for a chum hatchery, just don't kill all the damn things and let them spawn, they'll take care of themselves.

I thank the Indians for pressing the state to do the right thing and improve habitat, now they need to step up to the plate and improve their fishery management practices and start letting fish hit the gravel again. All the gravel in the world won't matter if you net them all before they get there.

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