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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2018, 02:11:25 PM »
I thought the article made it evident that Wielgus is/was biased.  But maybe that was because I already knew about Wielgus' bias and flawed work...........

That's how I read it.  It read to me like Wielgus was based and not accurate, but also didn't falsify the data in his studies.  Like other studies, other science folks had different conclusions. 

The main takeaway for me was confirmation of what we all already knew: wolves are a hot button issue with sometimes over-zealous people on both sides and no way to make everyone happy.

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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2018, 02:11:48 PM »
When will WDFW throw out the current Cougar plan?  They know it's based on flawed science, it should be vacated immediately and the old plan reinstated temporarily until a new plan can be implemented properly.

Once anyone who has ever bought a license bands together and files a class action lawsuit.

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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2018, 03:26:31 PM »
The self proclaimed title of "Wolf Pimp" just might make a fella think that Wielgus is biased. But I'm probably jumping to a conclusion.

Not sure if it was self proclaimed...definitely embraced though.

 (Chulo lobo — Spanish for “wolf pimp,” a slur someone once called Wielgus — is stenciled on his Harley’s gas tank.)

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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2018, 07:52:44 PM »
Quote from: KFhunter link=topic=229055.msg3051806#rebuked date=1531333753
When will WDFW throw out the current Cougar plan?  They know it's based on flawed science, it should be vacated immediately and the old plan reinstated temporarily until a new plan can be implemented properly.

That's a great point.  Per the article his research was directly attributed to establishing the guidelines of the new cougar plan.  UW directly rebuked his research.  A second study came to an altogether different conclusion.  Why is this Wielgus research held to a gold standard and these other institutions results are not being considered.

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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2018, 10:14:21 PM »
Quote from: KFhunter link=topic=229055.msg3051806#rebuked date=1531333753
When will WDFW throw out the current Cougar plan?  They know it's based on flawed science, it should be vacated immediately and the old plan reinstated temporarily until a new plan can be implemented properly.

That's a great point.  Per the article his research was directly attributed to establishing the guidelines of the new cougar plan.  UW directly rebuked his research.  A second study came to an altogether different conclusion.  Why is this Wielgus research held to a gold standard and these other institutions results are not being considered.

WDF&wolves want to end hunting in WA, look at their thirty year plan.

Protection of predators is ruining hunting in many areas, and the whole state will see the impact eventually.




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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2018, 11:10:04 PM »
Quote from: KFhunter link=topic=229055.msg3051806#rebuked date=1531333753
When will WDFW throw out the current Cougar plan?  They know it's based on flawed science, it should be vacated immediately and the old plan reinstated temporarily until a new plan can be implemented properly.

That's a great point.  Per the article his research was directly attributed to establishing the guidelines of the new cougar plan.  UW directly rebuked his research.  A second study came to an altogether different conclusion.  Why is this Wielgus research held to a gold standard and these other institutions results are not being considered.

WDF&wolves want to end hunting in WA, look at their thirty year plan.

Protection of predators is ruining hunting in many areas, and the whole state will see the impact eventually.

 :yeah:
I've said this before.  Where are the wdfw employee's?  Surely at least a couple of them care enough to put their job  on the line, and speak out against these horrendous management practices?  Just once I'd like to read a biologists report that states how the wdfw's ridiculous predator management is affecting our ungulates.  Every single one of them is culpable in this despicable destruction of our wildlife. 

Cue the wdfw apologists.   :bash:

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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2018, 12:44:55 AM »
Quote from: KFhunter link=topic=229055.msg3051806#rebuked date=1531333753
When will WDFW throw out the current Cougar plan?  They know it's based on flawed science, it should be vacated immediately and the old plan reinstated temporarily until a new plan can be implemented properly.

That's a great point.  Per the article his research was directly attributed to establishing the guidelines of the new cougar plan.  UW directly rebuked his research.  A second study came to an altogether different conclusion.  Why is this Wielgus research held to a gold standard and these other institutions results are not being considered.

WDF&wolves want to end hunting in WA, look at their thirty year plan.

Protection of predators is ruining hunting in many areas, and the whole state will see the impact eventually.

 :yeah:
I've said this before.  Where are the wdfw employee's?  Surely at least a couple of them care enough to put their job  on the line, and speak out against these horrendous management practices?  Just once I'd like to read a biologists report that states how the wdfw's ridiculous predator management is affecting our ungulates.  Every single one of them is culpable in this despicable destruction of our wildlife. 

Cue the wdfw apologists.   :bash:

Cause all the ones who gave a crap retired in the past 10 years.

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Re: New York Times Article about Rob Wielgus
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2018, 01:00:49 AM »
When will WDFW throw out the current Cougar plan?  They know it's based on flawed science, it should be vacated immediately and the old plan reinstated temporarily until a new plan can be implemented properly.

My understanding is DFW is in the process of writing a new cougar management plan right now.
Bruce Vandervort

 

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