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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2018, 05:29:59 AM »
Then its too bad that the hunting/fishing community has to burden the effects of a growing workload
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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2018, 05:34:44 AM »
:yeah:

You're not going to grow hunting and fishing ranks when license increases outpace growth in disposable income.

How about a little representation with that taxation?  Maybe then it wouldn't be such a bitter pill to swallow.

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #92 on: July 18, 2018, 06:17:26 AM »
"WDFW's biggest budget problem was simply a growing workload demanded on them by the state legislature (enacting new/enhanced programs), the federal government, and the court system without proper funding for those items, essentially unfunded mandates."

Is this a budget shortfall on an increasing budget?

Does WDFW ZBB?
They've been directed to use ZBB as part of this budget review process.

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #93 on: July 18, 2018, 06:19:13 AM »
ZBB? Some kind of secret code?

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #94 on: July 18, 2018, 06:23:04 AM »
Zero Based Budgeting. All expenses need to be justified without reference to prior years.
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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #95 on: July 18, 2018, 06:26:27 AM »
ZBB = Zero base budgeting.  It is a process whereby each department in a larger org is forced to justify its expenditures based on current mission priorities. Start with a zero budget, rank work priorities, estimate expenditures, and submit numbers. Lower ranked expenditures get axed in the process, without regard for personal fiefdoms, seniority, etc., at least in theory. This is opposed to traditional budgeting, which goes, here is your budget increase. Spend it or lose it.  More or less.

That will show what WDFW's true policy priorities are.

If that is part of the consultant expenditure, I approve, at least as to that portion.  The no management practices caused this still stinks.

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #96 on: July 18, 2018, 06:29:28 AM »
zero bureaucracy bull****   would save them 30 million

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #97 on: July 18, 2018, 06:41:53 AM »
"WDFW's biggest budget problem was simply a growing workload demanded on them by the state legislature (enacting new/enhanced programs), the federal government, and the court system without proper funding for those items, essentially unfunded mandates."

Is this a budget shortfall on an increasing budget?

Does WDFW ZBB?
They've been directed to use ZBB as part of this budget review process.

Is this written somewhere?

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #98 on: July 18, 2018, 06:43:32 AM »
I've got one of those warm and fuzzy feelings about all of this. Fewer opportunities and a huge hike in fees. I bet the archers in the 300s will be lining up to buy licenses now (sarc). Those in the 100s are already disenfranchised because of an unchecked predator spiral and many are choosing to hunt in states where wolves are learning to avoid humans or are non-existent, like ID, MT, WY, and CO. And, we're still spending 100s of thousands on the wolf consultant to the WAG, the advisory group which is infested with animal rights groups and individuals who will keep our cuddly wild dogs safe for any foreseeable future. I want her gig.

I'm beginning to think that turning 60 is heralding the end of my hunting career. Too much money and too many hunters pushed into fewer units with declining game populations - predators, hoof disease, CWD, out-of-balance or arbitrary tag allocations. It's just going to get worse for the wildlife and their supposed managers, and us hunters. However, it'll be great for all of those antis who pay nothing into the system and have more influence on the governor and commission than we. Way to go destroying the North American Wildlife Conservation Model in WA.  :tup:
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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #99 on: July 18, 2018, 06:44:42 AM »


"WDFW's biggest budget problem was simply a growing workload demanded on them by the state legislature (enacting new/enhanced programs), the federal government, and the court system without proper funding for those items, essentially unfunded mandates."

Is this a budget shortfall on an increasing budget?

Does WDFW ZBB?
They've been directed to use ZBB as part of this budget review process.
Is this written somewhere?
It's in the state budget bill/law that started this whole review.

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #100 on: July 18, 2018, 06:48:19 AM »
We all make bad purchases, investments, etc.

We all don't have the option to dip into somebody else's pockets to finance our continued misadventures.

Does WDFW practice ZBB?  Well-run private firms do.


Which reminds me to ask.  Is this $30M shortfall a shortfall on a budget increase or a shortfall over last year's budget?
They do not, and the from what I've heard their accounting is so convoluted that a simple look at it is all you need to see some major issues.

It seems all to co.mon for Gov agencies not to have to adhere to basic accounting principles that private enterprise must.

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #101 on: July 18, 2018, 06:52:21 AM »
We all make bad purchases, investments, etc.

We all don't have the option to dip into somebody else's pockets to finance our continued misadventures.

Does WDFW practice ZBB?  Well-run private firms do.


Which reminds me to ask.  Is this $30M shortfall a shortfall on a budget increase or a shortfall over last year's budget?
They do not, and the from what I've heard their accounting is so convoluted that a simple look at it is all you need to see some major issues.

It seems all to co.mon for Gov agencies not to have to adhere to basic accounting principles that private enterprise must.

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They started using ZBB as part of their most recent budget.

They may be the only state agency that does it (basically because they were forced to).

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #102 on: July 18, 2018, 06:53:42 AM »


"WDFW's biggest budget problem was simply a growing workload demanded on them by the state legislature (enacting new/enhanced programs), the federal government, and the court system without proper funding for those items, essentially unfunded mandates."

Is this a budget shortfall on an increasing budget?

Does WDFW ZBB?
They've been directed to use ZBB as part of this budget review process.
Is this written somewhere?
It's in the state budget bill/law that started this whole review.

Do you have a link?  Or did I miss it?

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2018, 06:56:28 AM »


"WDFW's biggest budget problem was simply a growing workload demanded on them by the state legislature (enacting new/enhanced programs), the federal government, and the court system without proper funding for those items, essentially unfunded mandates."

Is this a budget shortfall on an increasing budget?

Does WDFW ZBB?
They've been directed to use ZBB as part of this budget review process.
Is this written somewhere?
It's in the state budget bill/law that started this whole review.

Do you have a link?  Or did I miss it?
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/proviso_ssb_5883.pdf

Subsection d

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Re: WDFW's Plan to Cover 30 Million Dollar Deficit
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2018, 07:13:05 AM »
Thank you, sir.

 


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