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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2018, 01:30:50 PM »
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?
No. They are classified as a furbearer.
Incorrect.

Wildlife of any classification cannot be wasted. It's come up on this site several times that shooting a coyote and letting it lay is wastage. Now will an officer cite you, who knows. But by the law, yes it is wastage.

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2018, 01:45:24 PM »
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?
No. They are classified as a furbearer.
Incorrect.

Wildlife of any classification cannot be wasted. It's come up on this site several times that shooting a coyote and letting it lay is wastage. Now will an officer cite you, who knows. But by the law, yes it is wastage.
BigTex - What is the ruling/view on that if the meat is obviously bad upon getting to the down animal?  Case in point my ID bear last year.  We got on it as soon as possible, but it was completely obvious that the meat was no good and not something safe to consume?
I can appreciate not "wasting" the animal, but if the meat is not fit for consumption are we expected to still break it down and haul it out of the field only to throw it away?  Just seems an even bigger waste of the resource.  I would think it better for the ecosystem to take what is usable and leave the rest so that scavengers, etc can all get their piece of the pie as it were...
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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2018, 01:07:26 AM »
 :puke:
A tumor   :yike:
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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2018, 06:24:18 PM »
this is a direct quote from their website.     https://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/83/What+is+the+definition+of+%22wastage%2C%22+and+when+does+it+apply%3F

 "You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be wasted recklessly.
You must make a reasonable attempt to remove and use all edible meat from the carcass of harvested game fish, game birds, and game animals."

 If the meat is not edible, it is not wasting.  I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.

 

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2018, 01:19:03 PM »
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2018, 01:26:38 PM »
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
According to this, the exception is cougar. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
68) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.


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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2018, 01:53:29 PM »
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
According to this, the exception is cougar. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
68) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
If you look deeper you'll see the actual enforcement laws have no exceptions. There's actually several wastage laws in WA.

The infractions (tickets):
RCW 77.15.160(1)
(g) Wasting fish or shellfish: Killing, taking, or possessing fish or shellfish having a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars and allowing the fish or shellfish to be wasted. (Notice it's just fish, not broken down into food fish, game fish, etc.)

RCW 77.15.160(2)
(c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted. (Notice it's wildlife, not broken down to birds, game animals, furbearers, etc.)

The crime (gross misdemeanor):
RCW 77.15.170
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if the person:
(a) Takes or possesses wildlife classified as food fish, game fish, shellfish, or game birds having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more, or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) Recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
[/(The big criminal statute does break it down to certain classifications, unlike the infractions)i]

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2018, 01:59:19 PM »
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
According to this, the exception is cougar. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
68) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
If you look deeper you'll see the actual enforcement laws have no exceptions. There's actually several wastage laws in WA.

The infractions (tickets):
RCW 77.15.160(1)
(g) Wasting fish or shellfish: Killing, taking, or possessing fish or shellfish having a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars and allowing the fish or shellfish to be wasted. (Notice it's just fish, not broken down into food fish, game fish, etc.)

RCW 77.15.160(2)
(c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted. (Notice it's wildlife, not broken down to birds, game animals, furbearers, etc.)

The crime (gross misdemeanor):
RCW 77.15.170
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if the person:
(a) Takes or possesses wildlife classified as food fish, game fish, shellfish, or game birds having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more, or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) Recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
[/(The big criminal statute does break it down to certain classifications, unlike the infractions)i]
Thanks for clarifying that. It's a bit confusing. (To my pea brain)

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2018, 02:30:12 PM »
RCW also defines "waste" is 77.08.010

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"To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.

It clearly doesn't apply to all "wildlife."


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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2018, 03:04:58 PM »
Did you dissect the tumor?

I cut it in half and it was solid.  It was cresent shaped 1/2 diameter (tubular) and 2-2.5" long.  Consistency was like an unriped banana.  White inside.  Very weird.

Cyst maybe? 
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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2018, 03:19:51 PM »
Two years ago my buddy that I was hunting with shot a sow that was around 160-200 lbs. This bear was shreaded by another bear or something on its hind quarter. There was a huge infection in the meat. We contacted a game warden and they told us that we could bring in the bear to be looked. Once they looked at it they told him he could discard it and then they also issued him another tag.

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2018, 05:29:21 PM »
I quit eating even healthy ones, between my dad and I we have killed 4 but I will not eat them anymore after seeing probably 80-90 percent have worms in the meat.  Scared of Trich  :yike:

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Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2018, 07:35:54 AM »
I quit eating even healthy ones, between my dad and I we have killed 4 but I will not eat them anymore after seeing probably 80-90 percent have worms in the meat.  Scared of Trich  :yike:

All you have to do is cook it.

 


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