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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2018, 10:04:23 AM »
Their response over two weeks later was:

Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

 This certainly appears to be an error. While we donít have the solution quite yet, our IT department is looking into what may have caused the issue during the data pull process. Once we have updated data, we will update the page with accurate numbers.

 Thank you very much for your message pointing out the mistake.

 Sincerely,

Wildlife Program Customer Service

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It still has yet to be corrected...I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but come on guys at least remove it from the website.  Oh and BTW this applies to all species and all hunts, not just Quality Elk.
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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2018, 10:14:35 AM »
Their response over two weeks later was:

Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

This certainly appears to be an error. While we donít have the solution quite yet, our IT department is looking into what may have caused the issue during the data pull process. Once we have updated data, we will update the page with accurate numbers.

 Thank you very much for your message pointing out the mistake.

 Sincerely,

Wildlife Program Customer Service

360-902-2515
 mt


It still has yet to be corrected...I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but come on guys at least remove it from the website.  Oh and BTW this applies to all species and all hunts, not just Quality Elk.

For those of us with $100 riding on whether or not the Mountain View applications increase in 2019 this is of the utmost importance!!

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2018, 10:19:38 AM »
As long as I draw a Mt. View tag with 14 points my life will be complete.

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2018, 10:27:24 AM »
This thread is so depressing. Why, oh why, didn't anyone get me into this sport when I was a kid. I should've been building points for the last 20 years so that in another 10 I could draw something.

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2018, 10:56:49 AM »
This thread is so depressing. Why, oh why, didn't anyone get me into this sport when I was a kid. I should've been building points for the last 20 years so that in another 10 I could draw something.

That's the problem with figuring the "odds". 
If it helps any, apparently a math major at WSU did an experiment with a database mirroring WDFW's draw algorithm. His results showed that higher (newer) sequence numbers were more likely to be drawn in a random draw than lower (older) sequence numbers (apparently, algorithms like "some numbers better than others"  :dunno: ).  That means that those of us who have been in the system longer have less of a chance of being drawn than those WildID#s that have been entered in the system recently.  So us old guys who have been in the system for the longest have a mathematically lower chance of drawing our desired tag, even though our name is in the hat way more times. (even if your name is in the hat lots of times, the computer still has to pick your number and the algorithm doesn't seem to "like" those lower sequence numbers). 
I am sure almost all of us who hunt a lot know a kid that drew a quality tag with only a couple of points.  This explains why (IMHO).
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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2018, 11:02:45 AM »
This thread is so depressing. Why, oh why, didn't anyone get me into this sport when I was a kid. I should've been building points for the last 20 years so that in another 10 I could draw something.

two words... Point....Creep... *crickets*
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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2018, 11:09:08 AM »
It seems to me that there is little correlation between points and getting drawn.  I've drawn a bull tag 3 times and all were fairly long odds.  I've never drawn a quality elk or quality deer tag.  My dad has drawn a quality deer tag 3 times in hard to draw muley units.  Random luck and points make no appreciable difference.

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2018, 11:18:56 AM »
It seems to me that there is little correlation between points and getting drawn.  I've drawn a bull tag 3 times and all were fairly long odds.  I've never drawn a quality elk or quality deer tag.  My dad has drawn a quality deer tag 3 times in hard to draw muley units.  Random luck and points make no appreciable difference.

Same as Powerball.  Your odds double with two tickets, but they donít really change -itís all how you look at it.


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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2018, 11:25:07 AM »
Their response over two weeks later was:

Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

 This certainly appears to be an error. While we donít have the solution quite yet, our IT department is looking into what may have caused the issue during the data pull process. Once we have updated data, we will update the page with accurate numbers.

 Thank you very much for your message pointing out the mistake.

 Sincerely,

Wildlife Program Customer Service

360-902-2515
 mt


It still has yet to be corrected...I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but come on guys at least remove it from the website.  Oh and BTW this applies to all species and all hunts, not just Quality Elk.

Thanks for the update. I've been wondering when the numbers would be corrected. Hopefully they are also aware that the deer application numbers are way off as well. Most deer permits that I've looked at show in the range of 1.5 to 4.75 times more applications than last year. This is in every category- buck, quality, antlerless, youth, etc. It's also funny to me that their link to the 2018 Special Hunt Permit Drawing Result Summaries is still titled "2017 Special Hunt Permit Drawing Result Summaries."

It was nice they got the numbers put up a lot sooner than they ever have before. But it would be much better if the numbers were even somewhat close to being accurate.   :rolleyes:

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2018, 10:52:28 PM »
You would think before and after the data pull the numbers would have been looked at. Nothing should be posted without a review process. They should be able to post accurate numbers, this is before the potential cuts coming to the WDFW.

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2019, 02:33:03 PM »
Any update
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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2019, 08:48:51 AM »
I just checked the website and they still haven't updated the numbers.  I was giving them the benefit of the doubt over the holiday, but its getting a little ridiculous.  I think we are going on 4 months now since I notified them of the issue.  I'll shoot them a "nice" email and ask for an update from WDFW.

Stay tuned...
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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2019, 09:15:34 AM »
Yeah I noticed that too, that the numbers are all still wrong. They did fix the link that had 2017 instead of 2018 though.  :)

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Re: Quality Elk Applicants in 2018
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2019, 11:04:59 AM »
Your all out of your minds if you expect a government agency to give correct information.!!! :chuckle:

 


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