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Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« on: October 05, 2018, 10:46:27 AM »
https://www.thenewamerican.com/print-magazine/item/30138-ranchers-face-wolves-at-the-gate

Looks like a good article from the first skim, I'll read it in more detail later






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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 11:47:45 AM »
Definitely not the typical liberal spin doctor article.
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 12:19:36 PM »
Publication is owned by the John Birch Society. I wouldn't expect to see a liberal slant to their articles.
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 03:36:29 PM »
Despite this being an obviously slanted radical right wing rag, the writer doesn't know what he's talking about.  The situation there does suck for the wolves and for the ranchers, but the author of this article has several things wrong. I doubt it matters in this publication though....


" In Washington State, shooting a wolf, even to protect your livelihood, comes with a one-year prison sentence and a five-thousand dollar fine." FALSE.  in fact one of them shot a profanity peak wolf a couple weeks ago....
The State of Washington Refuses to Help

Despite this, the legislature in Olympia is reluctant to assist the ranchers" FALSE.  The ranching family in the article has  refused reimbursement despite there being a program in place

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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 03:38:25 PM »
And there it is
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 07:05:38 PM »
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The ranching family in the article has  refused reimbursement despite there being a program in place

because it's a complete freaking joke!


I don't need to explain this to you, but for others reading this in order to be "compensated" WDFW has to first determine the cause of death on a cow, and you've got a very small window of time to find that carcass, get feet dragging WDFW to the scene, and get a confirmation = very unlikely.

Also, the cost of a dead calf or cow isn't the most expensive part of having wolves in your cattle. 

WDFW compensation doesn't cover
lost cows
lost carcasses
old carcasses
unbred cows
dead bulls
lost bulls
underweight cows
grazing areas not utilized due to presence of wolves

One rancher had his bull driven clear out of the range and was never found, that's a lot of unbred cows!   WDFW doesn't pay for that.


WAcoyotehunter knows this, it just doesn't fit the anti-grazing, wilderness agenda.


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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2018, 08:18:12 PM »
THe hatred and ignorance of the crazy and uneducated facing the ranching community is disgusting. Urban dwellers want their organic free range  grass fed carbon neutral beef. Look at what the uneducated fools did to all of forests and wildlife habitat this past summer? How many thousands of acres and countless animals burned destroyed by their ignorance? They wont be happy until all ranchers are put out of business, rural lifestyle is destroyed and hunting is outlawed.


Maybe put the cows on soccer fields and golf courses in urban areas near seattle then.
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 08:26:59 PM »
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The ranching family in the article has  refused reimbursement despite there being a program in place

because it's a complete freaking joke!


I don't need to explain this to you, but for others reading this in order to be "compensated" WDFW has to first determine the cause of death on a cow, and you've got a very small window of time to find that carcass, get feet dragging WDFW to the scene, and get a confirmation = very unlikely.

Also, the cost of a dead calf or cow isn't the most expensive part of having wolves in your cattle. 

WDFW compensation doesn't cover
lost cows
lost carcasses
old carcasses
unbred cows
dead bulls
lost bulls
underweight cows
grazing areas not utilized due to presence of wolves

One rancher had his bull driven clear out of the range and was never found, that's a lot of unbred cows!   WDFW doesn't pay for that.


WAcoyotehunter knows this, it just doesn't fit the anti-grazing, wilderness agenda.

Funny, apparently no cows ever died before wolfs came back.  So all the bones I have seen over the years were not cows?    Seen many bulls wander away also.


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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2018, 09:06:17 PM »
Well that's an ignorant statement, not sure how to argue that other than ranchers prior to wolves knew that it was exceptionally rare to get a "cow killer" black bear, they exist but back in the day hound hunters really went after those giant boars capable of bringing down a cow or brazen enough to take calves in a herd of cattle.  There was also the occasional lion, but they don't like the pressure a herd of cattle can put on a predator.  Cattle aren't completely defenseless against a single predator..wolves are completely different in how they move in a herd of cattle and hamstring them, sometimes multiples they are able to dart in and wound, then back off before getting caught.



Are you really trying to argue that ranchers can't tell the difference before and after wolves?

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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2018, 09:16:31 AM »
Despite this being an obviously slanted radical right wing rag, the writer doesn't know what he's talking about.  The situation there does suck for the wolves and for the ranchers, but the author of this article has several things wrong. I doubt it matters in this publication though....


" In Washington State, shooting a wolf, even to protect your livelihood, comes with a one-year prison sentence and a five-thousand dollar fine." FALSE.  in fact one of them shot a profanity peak wolf a couple weeks ago....
The State of Washington Refuses to Help

Despite this, the legislature in Olympia is reluctant to assist the ranchers" FALSE.  The ranching family in the article has  refused reimbursement despite there being a program in place

I agree that there are several points in the article which are inaccurate. However, the overall message is spot on. It's been estimated that only 1 out of 7-8 wolf kills are confirmed and the rancher compensated, because of the lack of a carcass, scavenger effect, and other factors which impede positive identification. There also is no compensation for projected losses due to low birth and growth rates attributed to highly stressed animals. The ranchers in the NE have been abandoned by our state government from the beginning of this outrageous wolf plan, which, by the way, is 50% more aggressive than Montana's or Idaho's. Montana has 1/16 the population density of WA. Yet the government signed the plan to allow almost impossible-to-reach goals for management to commence. And the NE corner is so far the most affected section.

And, we haven't even discussed the effect on our wild ungulates and the diseases that these wolves have carried since day one of release. The USFWS lied to Congress about making sure these animals were parasite-free. They lied about economic and environmental impact. They lied about reproductive rates. They lied about the danger to humans. And they commenced a public disinformation campaign meant to appeal to ignorant liberal city dwellers to drown out the objections of those who would be most adversely affected by the intrusion of these pests.

I would prefer this article be more accurate. But it's a much more realistic look at a topic which has been whitewashed by almost all of the mainstream media.
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2018, 10:08:09 AM »
Wolves are the plague the corrupt USFWS and agencies like WDFW unleashed on rural America, promoting wolf predation of livestock, the decimation of wildlife, attacks on people and the spread of diseases wolves carry.

Rogue Pack kills guard dog
http://mailtribune.com/news/top-stories/rogue-pack-kills-guard-dog



Beef Bits Brief: Wolf depredation confirmed in CA

https://www.wlj.net/top_headlines/beef-bits-brief-wolf-depredation-confirmed-in-ca/article_96fff478-bdf9-11e8-8737-535900c86954.html

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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 06:32:26 AM »
Wolves are the plague the corrupt USFWS and agencies like WDFW unleashed on rural America, promoting wolf predation of livestock, the decimation of wildlife, attacks on people and the spread of diseases wolves carry.

Rogue Pack kills guard dog
http://mailtribune.com/news/top-stories/rogue-pack-kills-guard-dog



Beef Bits Brief: Wolf depredation confirmed in CA

https://www.wlj.net/top_headlines/beef-bits-brief-wolf-depredation-confirmed-in-ca/article_96fff478-bdf9-11e8-8737-535900c86954.html

Don't forget loss of grazing allotments. 100+ yrs of grazing rights and now state won't renew ranchers 2,500 acres due to wolves in area that has seen significant conflicts over last 5 years. Easier to not renew than deal with killer wolves.
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 07:54:43 AM »
Wolves are the plague the corrupt USFWS and agencies like WDFW unleashed on rural America, promoting wolf predation of livestock, the decimation of wildlife, attacks on people and the spread of diseases wolves carry.

Rogue Pack kills guard dog
http://mailtribune.com/news/top-stories/rogue-pack-kills-guard-dog



Beef Bits Brief: Wolf depredation confirmed in CA

https://www.wlj.net/top_headlines/beef-bits-brief-wolf-depredation-confirmed-in-ca/article_96fff478-bdf9-11e8-8737-535900c86954.html

Don't forget loss of grazing allotments. 100+ yrs of grazing rights and now state won't renew ranchers 2,500 acres due to wolves in area that has seen significant conflicts over last 5 years. Easier to not renew than deal with killer wolves.

Aren't the grazing allotments on Federal land? The state doesn't control grazing allotments on Federal land. That's either the BLM, NFS, USDA, Interior, etc.
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 09:43:10 AM »
Wolves are the plague the corrupt USFWS and agencies like WDFW unleashed on rural America, promoting wolf predation of livestock, the decimation of wildlife, attacks on people and the spread of diseases wolves carry.

Rogue Pack kills guard dog
http://mailtribune.com/news/top-stories/rogue-pack-kills-guard-dog



Beef Bits Brief: Wolf depredation confirmed in CA

https://www.wlj.net/top_headlines/beef-bits-brief-wolf-depredation-confirmed-in-ca/article_96fff478-bdf9-11e8-8737-535900c86954.html

Don't forget loss of grazing allotments. 100+ yrs of grazing rights and now state won't renew ranchers 2,500 acres due to wolves in area that has seen significant conflicts over last 5 years. Easier to not renew than deal with killer wolves.

Aren't the grazing allotments on Federal land? The state doesn't control grazing allotments on Federal land. That's either the BLM, NFS, USDA, Interior, etc.
No and yes

https://www.dnr.wa.gov/programs-and-services/product-sales-and-leasing/agriculture-and-grazing/grazing

https://www.fs.fed.us/rangeland-management/grazing/permits.shtml
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Re: Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 10:31:36 AM »
Wolves are the plague the corrupt USFWS and agencies like WDFW unleashed on rural America, promoting wolf predation of livestock, the decimation of wildlife, attacks on people and the spread of diseases wolves carry.

Rogue Pack kills guard dog
http://mailtribune.com/news/top-stories/rogue-pack-kills-guard-dog



Beef Bits Brief: Wolf depredation confirmed in CA

https://www.wlj.net/top_headlines/beef-bits-brief-wolf-depredation-confirmed-in-ca/article_96fff478-bdf9-11e8-8737-535900c86954.html

Don't forget loss of grazing allotments. 100+ yrs of grazing rights and now state won't renew ranchers 2,500 acres due to wolves in area that has seen significant conflicts over last 5 years. Easier to not renew than deal with killer wolves.
where did that happen?

 

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