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Offline Crunchy

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Reloading thought
« on: October 10, 2018, 06:43:27 PM »
So in my 7mag I have been using the same load for a few years.  71.5 grains of H-1000 with 168 grain bergers VLDs, seated at an ogive of 2.725ish.  Did some shooting today after loading up a new batch.  The only thing different was I annealed some of my older brass, and bought a new can of powder.

Results were the annealed brass was way too hot of a load.  So hot the bolt stuck on every round.  I shot the last few rounds of the brass that wasnt annealed and they were money.  The loads were so hot that on the 20 or so rounds I didnt fire I pulled the bullets, dumped the powder and weighed it thinking I was 4 or so grains over.  They all measured right at 71.4ish.  I did measure a few on seating depth, and were a few that were seated a little deeper say 2.716 plus a minus.

Reloaded some of the brass that I shot today dropping the powder charge but keeping the 2.725 ogive.  Started at 67 to 70, four rounds each.  Ideas of what could have caused the REALLY hot load? 

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2018, 06:50:08 PM »
Different lots of powder can be way hotter.  Sounds like you got a hot one.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2018, 06:50:44 PM »
I have my doubts, about the source of the excessive pressure being the brass. I suspect it is the fresh powder that is the culprit.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2018, 06:57:08 PM »
I just cant believe the new lot of powder was that much hotter.  I would guess 4 grains hotter or more if that makes sense.  At 200 yards the new lot was impacting 5 inches higher than the old lot, and I could barely get the bolt to open.  Going to shoot again tomorrow and see if I dropped the charge enough to get back on track.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2018, 06:58:25 PM »
Seen it many times. Different lot of powder is the culprit. Time to recalibrate with the new lot.
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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2018, 07:00:56 PM »
Wow thatís extreme. Did you happen to shoot any over the chrono?  I have burned up pounds of h1000 and never seen results like that
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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2018, 07:13:00 PM »
Wow thatís extreme. Did you happen to shoot any over the chrono?  I have burned up pounds of h1000 and never seen results like that

I chrono'd the load prior to the new lot at 2940.  Not sure what it was at today.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2018, 11:07:11 PM »
Well I have reduced the load, and putting the finishing touches on the new charge weight.  4 more loads to sample before I decide.  One question, something I hadnt noticed until today, but after shooting probably a dozen loads that were too hot, and dealing with having to man handle the bolt to eject the fired cases, the bolt seems tight.  With or without a round chambered.  I gave it a good scrub, and lube today, but still tighter than it should be.  Thought about putting a bit of lapping compound on the rear of the bolt lugs and working that in to see if it loosens up.  Bad idea?  I even removed the action from the stock to verify.  Same tight open/closing bolt.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 08:27:39 AM »
Lapping the bolt lugs will affect headspace. As your moving the bolt back a small amount

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 08:45:33 AM »
Shouldnt take more than 1 to 2 thou to smooth out

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 08:50:31 AM »
Did you happen to check brass with go no go gauge?

Before any lapping is done i would check the bolt for concentricity,You may have bent the bolt some how.I cant see any other way for it to be tight if clean.  :twocents:
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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 09:01:18 AM »
Well I have reduced the load, and putting the finishing touches on the new charge weight.  4 more loads to sample before I decide.  One question, something I hadnt noticed until today, but after shooting probably a dozen loads that were too hot, and dealing with having to man handle the bolt to eject the fired cases, the bolt seems tight.  With or without a round chambered.  I gave it a good scrub, and lube today, but still tighter than it should be.  Thought about putting a bit of lapping compound on the rear of the bolt lugs and working that in to see if it loosens up.  Bad idea?  I even removed the action from the stock to verify.  Same tight open/closing bolt.

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For starters, if you fire a round that is hot enough to stick the bolt, STOP SHOOTING! You may well have damaged the bolt lugs by continuing to fire that ammo. Have a gunsmith check it out instead of messing things up further with lapping compound.

Changing powder lots can absolutely do what you described, especially if you're already loading near max.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 10:55:01 AM »
Yes, probably should have stopped sooner with the hot load, but since have dialed it in to about .6 MOA with the new load., which is 5 grains lower than my go to load with the same powder.  Finish the year with it and either going full custom or semi with this action on a new barrell and stock.  If I go semi I will have the smith check the bolt out.

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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 11:40:23 AM »
Whatís your process for annealing the brass?
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Re: Reloading thought
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 11:49:19 AM »
Yes, probably should have stopped sooner with the hot load, but since have dialed it in to about .6 MOA with the new load., which is 5 grains lower than my go to load with the same powder.  Finish the year with it and either going full custom or semi with this action on a new barrell and stock.  If I go semi I will have the smith check the bolt out.

Sounds like a good plan.

 

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