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Offline Fl0und3rz

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #135 on: September 18, 2019, 09:41:04 AM »
As I understand the proposal above, being labeled a "gang member" would activate police powers to arbitrarily raid your home and collect any firearms, and I suppose, as well as other contraband identified in the raid.  And that is leaving aside the possible disarmament of other law-abiding owners in the premises and the problem of proof of "gang member."   How do you prove one is a "gang member" and how do you prove you have unbecome a "gang member."

However, even taking this premise as true ("Most 'gang members' have probably lost their right to own a gun."), you still have the baseline issue that - even if they are "gang members" - they are afforded the same due process rights as so-called "law-abiding citizens."

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #136 on: September 18, 2019, 09:59:11 AM »
I actually wouldn't mind red flag laws... If there was a clear path to quickly getting your rights restored and your record expunged.  Seems like this could be the next SWATting trend.

This would only come with great expense to the accused.

Its honest law abiding gun owners that are feared by the government.......

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #137 on: October 12, 2019, 08:57:43 AM »
Yesterday, family and LE.

Today, a vengeful co-worker.


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California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a law that will make the state the first to allow employers, co-workers and teachers to seek gun violence restraining orders against other people.

The bill was vetoed twice by former governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, and goes beyond a measure that he signed allowing only law enforcement officers and immediate family members to ask judges to temporarily take away peoples’ guns when they are deemed a danger to themselves or others
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https://www.weaselzippers.us/435027-california-adopts-broadest-us-rules-for-seizing-guns/


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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #138 on: October 14, 2019, 09:26:34 AM »
Yesterday, family and LE.

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California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a law that will make the state the first to allow employers, co-workers and teachers to seek gun violence restraining orders against other people.

The bill was vetoed twice by former governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, and goes beyond a measure that he signed allowing only law enforcement officers and immediate family members to ask judges to temporarily take away peoples’ guns when they are deemed a danger to themselves or others
.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/435027-california-adopts-broadest-us-rules-for-seizing-guns/


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Another tactic to stop free speech by threatening to take your firearms. You are seeing the rise of the American Democratic Socialist Party with similar tactics of Nazi's.
The power brokers of the new far left party love watching Hong Kong play out as this is their dream. Shoving their views onto others with nothing more than a few rocks and bottles thrown at the enforcers. Imagine if the Hong Kong people had AR-15s. Personal freedom would easily win and is why gun confiscation is popular with tyrants.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #139 on: October 14, 2019, 10:05:26 AM »
:yeah:

That is why I started the 4 year descent into liberal fascism thread.

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #140 on: October 14, 2019, 11:46:56 AM »
Yesterday, family and LE.

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California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a law that will make the state the first to allow employers, co-workers and teachers to seek gun violence restraining orders against other people.

The bill was vetoed twice by former governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, and goes beyond a measure that he signed allowing only law enforcement officers and immediate family members to ask judges to temporarily take away peoples’ guns when they are deemed a danger to themselves or others
.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/435027-california-adopts-broadest-us-rules-for-seizing-guns/


Tomorrow, angry crybully troll on the internet.

Another tactic to stop free speech by threatening to take your firearms. You are seeing the rise of the American Democratic Socialist Party with similar tactics of Nazi's.
The power brokers of the new far left party love watching Hong Kong play out as this is their dream. Shoving their views onto others with nothing more than a few rocks and bottles thrown at the enforcers. Imagine if the Hong Kong people had AR-15s. Personal freedom would easily win and is why gun confiscation is popular with tyrants.
Not sure I understand your statement.The protesters would win their freedom if they had AR-15's?The only reason they are still alive is that they are not shooting guns.Hong Kong is going to stand up against the Chinese military?Remember when China had our airmen for 6 months?They sent the plane they were on back in pieces 18 months later?Even Bush wasn't stupid enough to start anything with the Chinese.

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #141 on: October 14, 2019, 02:04:23 PM »
What is to prevent China from launching nukes at the U.S.?

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #142 on: October 14, 2019, 02:11:59 PM »
Yesterday, family and LE.

Today, a vengeful co-worker.


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California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a law that will make the state the first to allow employers, co-workers and teachers to seek gun violence restraining orders against other people.

The bill was vetoed twice by former governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, and goes beyond a measure that he signed allowing only law enforcement officers and immediate family members to ask judges to temporarily take away peoples’ guns when they are deemed a danger to themselves or others
.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/435027-california-adopts-broadest-us-rules-for-seizing-guns/


Tomorrow, angry crybully troll on the internet.

Another tactic to stop free speech by threatening to take your firearms. You are seeing the rise of the American Democratic Socialist Party with similar tactics of Nazi's.
The power brokers of the new far left party love watching Hong Kong play out as this is their dream. Shoving their views onto others with nothing more than a few rocks and bottles thrown at the enforcers. Imagine if the Hong Kong people had AR-15s. Personal freedom would easily win and is why gun confiscation is popular with tyrants.
Not sure I understand your statement.The protesters would win their freedom if they had AR-15's?The only reason they are still alive is that they are not shooting guns.Hong Kong is going to stand up against the Chinese military?Remember when China had our airmen for 6 months?They sent the plane they were on back in pieces 18 months later?Even Bush wasn't stupid enough to start anything with the Chinese.

You're missing Cougar's overall point. Control the media, control the guns, and you control the people. What's missing from Cougar's posit is that the communists disarmed their people after the 1949 revolution and before they "cleansed" their population of probably 60 million. CA's new red flag law makes it really easy for anyone to cause the confiscation of anyone's firearms. They already control the media, they now have the means to control the firearms. Unless this is stopped, they'll soon control the people.
"Restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens based on the actions of criminals and madmen will have no positive effect on the future acts of criminals and madmen. It will only serve to reduce individual rights and the very security of our republic." - Pianoman

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #143 on: October 14, 2019, 08:21:16 PM »

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #144 on: October 15, 2019, 02:56:36 PM »
Yesterday, family and LE.

Today, a vengeful co-worker.


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California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a law that will make the state the first to allow employers, co-workers and teachers to seek gun violence restraining orders against other people.

The bill was vetoed twice by former governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, and goes beyond a measure that he signed allowing only law enforcement officers and immediate family members to ask judges to temporarily take away peoples’ guns when they are deemed a danger to themselves or others
.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/435027-california-adopts-broadest-us-rules-for-seizing-guns/


Tomorrow, angry crybully troll on the internet.

Another tactic to stop free speech by threatening to take your firearms. You are seeing the rise of the American Democratic Socialist Party with similar tactics of Nazi's.
The power brokers of the new far left party love watching Hong Kong play out as this is their dream. Shoving their views onto others with nothing more than a few rocks and bottles thrown at the enforcers. Imagine if the Hong Kong people had AR-15s. Personal freedom would easily win and is why gun confiscation is popular with tyrants.
Not sure I understand your statement.The protesters would win their freedom if they had AR-15's?The only reason they are still alive is that they are not shooting guns.Hong Kong is going to stand up against the Chinese military?Remember when China had our airmen for 6 months?They sent the plane they were on back in pieces 18 months later?Even Bush wasn't stupid enough to start anything with the Chinese.

Bush cared more about his and his buddies portfolios than American interests. I'd of turned all ships from China around and sent them back. The Chinese would have come "licking our boots". Without economic power conventional armies are worthless..
Notice how easy it is For Trump to push them around? Imagine if he played hardball risking this hot economy?
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #145 on: October 15, 2019, 03:37:06 PM »
It takes a long time to wean a crack addict, and if you go cold turkey you can actually harm them.


I like this slow wean thing we're doing now..and I've bought my share of China crap but self weaned a number of years ago.   I might still get a hit of china now and then, but I try to avoid it if possible!

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #147 on: December 01, 2019, 05:29:25 PM »
American citizen killed in Red Flag raid:

https://twitter.com/MikeWJZ/status/1059418477965049856

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #148 on: December 02, 2019, 10:27:45 AM »
I believe this is the incident from upstate NY last August.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
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