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Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2018, 08:24:03 PM »
They are either coyotes or house pets unless the state says there are wolves there which they seldom do.
So if I am in a area the state says there are no wolves that make any canine in that area fair game. It is what it is.
Just because you think you seen a wolf or a wolf track doesn't mean you really seen a wolf or a wolf track.the state will tell you other wise. So I listen to what these liars say and take appropriate actions.

Sooooooo......If a moose is standing in the middle of downtown Seattle, is it still a moose, or is it a deer because WDFW says there are no moose in downtown Seattle? Based on this logic, youíre ok shooting said mystery moose/deer creature in deer season because itís not a moose?
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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2018, 09:51:17 AM »
If WDFW say there are no wolves in an area then the public must take their word for it, after all WDFW are soooooooo honest....


WDFW is literally creating the hate of wolves! If they would take care of problem animals and show equal consideration for our other wildlife, many people would be far more receptive to having a reasonable wolf population.  :twocents:

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I think most people by now have their own idea on what needs to be done. WDF&Wolves etc. have shown they have no plans of trying to control their wolves, or manage ungulate herds to promote hunting.

Folks are and will take care of wolf problems on their own, WDFW has no appetite in confirming wolves until they are forced to do so, dragging delisting out until wolves have had the opportunity to expand and do as much damage as possible. Wolves will never be controlled in WA, the public will be responsible for defending their communities, animals etc..


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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2018, 10:25:57 AM »
They are either coyotes or house pets unless the state says there are wolves there which they seldom do.
So if I am in a area the state says there are no wolves that make any canine in that area fair game. It is what it is.
Just because you think you seen a wolf or a wolf track doesn't mean you really seen a wolf or a wolf track.the state will tell you other wise. So I listen to what these liars say and take appropriate actions.

Sooooooo......If a moose is standing in the middle of downtown Seattle, is it still a moose, or is it a deer because WDFW says there are no moose in downtown Seattle? Based on this logic, youíre ok shooting said mystery moose/deer creature in deer season because itís not a moose?

jackelope..  While I understand where you are coming I also understand the frustration from those saying "no wolves, must be a coyote."  In other states precedence has been set based off of assumed knowledge it is reasonable an animal could be mistaken that is not there based off of what wild life management assertions are.  If they say they are not there, we reasonably would assume they are not there..  Not trying to argue your point, but agree that WDFW's failure to not identify kills and confirm wolves in an area where they certainly are could make for an interesting defense..

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2017/11/13/missouri-girl-14-thought-she-shooting-deer-when-she-pulled-trigger/858472001/
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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2018, 10:45:35 AM »
Coyotes. Shoot them.

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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2018, 11:13:17 AM »
They are either coyotes or house pets unless the state says there are wolves there which they seldom do.
So if I am in a area the state says there are no wolves that make any canine in that area fair game. It is what it is.
Just because you think you seen a wolf or a wolf track doesn't mean you really seen a wolf or a wolf track.the state will tell you other wise. So I listen to what these liars say and take appropriate actions.

Sooooooo......If a moose is standing in the middle of downtown Seattle, is it still a moose, or is it a deer because WDFW says there are no moose in downtown Seattle? Based on this logic, you’re ok shooting said mystery moose/deer creature in deer season because it’s not a moose?

jackelope..  While I understand where you are coming I also understand the frustration from those saying "no wolves, must be a coyote."  In other states precedence has been set based off of assumed knowledge it is reasonable an animal could be mistaken that is not there based off of what wild life management assertions are.  If they say they are not there, we reasonably would assume they are not there..  Not trying to argue your point, but agree that WDFW's failure to not identify kills and confirm wolves in an area where they certainly are could make for an interesting defense..

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2017/11/13/missouri-girl-14-thought-she-shooting-deer-when-she-pulled-trigger/858472001/

With all due respect, when they can't "confirm" wolves presence, does that mean the same thing as them saying there are no wolves? Or does it simply mean they can't confirm the presence of wolves in an area? I guarantee you, especially with all the crap they take from both sides of the aisle, WDFW is not going to say one way or the other, that an animal is a wolf without being able to scientifically verify or confirm it was in fact a wolf. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.
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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2018, 11:26:13 AM »
agreed Jackelope, I guess I was just also trying to give a little credence to both sides..  If it is taken at face value there have been live stock kills and kill sites that could have been proven that were still not confirmed by WDFW and their livelihood is what is being taken (livestock)..  I can see the frustration.

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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2018, 11:44:42 AM »
They are either coyotes or house pets unless the state says there are wolves there which they seldom do.
So if I am in a area the state says there are no wolves that make any canine in that area fair game. It is what it is.
Just because you think you seen a wolf or a wolf track doesn't mean you really seen a wolf or a wolf track.the state will tell you other wise. So I listen to what these liars say and take appropriate actions.

Sooooooo......If a moose is standing in the middle of downtown Seattle, is it still a moose, or is it a deer because WDFW says there are no moose in downtown Seattle? Based on this logic, youíre ok shooting said mystery moose/deer creature in deer season because itís not a moose?

jackelope..  While I understand where you are coming I also understand the frustration from those saying "no wolves, must be a coyote."  In other states precedence has been set based off of assumed knowledge it is reasonable an animal could be mistaken that is not there based off of what wild life management assertions are.  If they say they are not there, we reasonably would assume they are not there..  Not trying to argue your point, but agree that WDFW's failure to not identify kills and confirm wolves in an area where they certainly are could make for an interesting defense..

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2017/11/13/missouri-girl-14-thought-she-shooting-deer-when-she-pulled-trigger/858472001/

With all due respect, when they can't "confirm" wolves presence, does that mean the same thing as them saying there are no wolves? Or does it simply mean they can't confirm the presence of wolves in an area? I guarantee you, especially with all the crap they take from both sides of the aisle, WDFW is not going to say one way or the other, that an animal is a wolf without being able to scientifically verify or confirm it was in fact a wolf. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

That's the problem... they should be objective and not influenced by crap from both sides.

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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2018, 12:26:26 PM »
 Instead of being honest with the people of WA, WDFW refuse to confirm known wolf packs/wolves, this has been proven many times and is still happening today. They would rather say their are no wolves as opposed to confirming wolves for delisting.

A few years back a friend of mine was hunting coyotes in the Perrygin lake country, he came across a canyon that was littered with dead deer and wolf tracks. He contacted WDFW they told him there were no wolves in that area, so he said he would hunting that area aggressively, they told him not to shoot the big coyotes.

Omak Flats was having wolf problems in 2010-2011, WDFW claimed it was coyotes, which was a total lie and they knew no one believed them. I could give example after example of WDFW lying to the public over wolf sightings/problems.

As far as WDFW being influenced, look at WDFW predator management policies and who they have partnered up with, it isn't in favor of hunting, hunters or livestock producers.







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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2018, 12:56:21 PM »
They are either coyotes or house pets unless the state says there are wolves there which they seldom do.
So if I am in a area the state says there are no wolves that make any canine in that area fair game. It is what it is.
Just because you think you seen a wolf or a wolf track doesn't mean you really seen a wolf or a wolf track.the state will tell you other wise. So I listen to what these liars say and take appropriate actions.

Sooooooo......If a moose is standing in the middle of downtown Seattle, is it still a moose, or is it a deer because WDFW says there are no moose in downtown Seattle? Based on this logic, you’re ok shooting said mystery moose/deer creature in deer season because it’s not a moose?

jackelope..  While I understand where you are coming I also understand the frustration from those saying "no wolves, must be a coyote."  In other states precedence has been set based off of assumed knowledge it is reasonable an animal could be mistaken that is not there based off of what wild life management assertions are.  If they say they are not there, we reasonably would assume they are not there..  Not trying to argue your point, but agree that WDFW's failure to not identify kills and confirm wolves in an area where they certainly are could make for an interesting defense..

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2017/11/13/missouri-girl-14-thought-she-shooting-deer-when-she-pulled-trigger/858472001/

With all due respect, when they can't "confirm" wolves presence, does that mean the same thing as them saying there are no wolves? Or does it simply mean they can't confirm the presence of wolves in an area? I guarantee you, especially with all the crap they take from both sides of the aisle, WDFW is not going to say one way or the other, that an animal is a wolf without being able to scientifically verify or confirm it was in fact a wolf. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

That's the problem... they should be objective and not influenced by crap from both sides.

Rather than objective, I think they're just covering their hind quarters.
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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2018, 02:55:32 PM »
 :tup: I know how it works. That's why I left government work.

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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2019, 06:33:23 PM »
One of the easiest ways to tell wolf tracks from coyote is the stride.  26Ē-30Ē is Wolf   Less than 24 is not.
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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2019, 06:52:44 PM »
I have a friend who.had wolves in his back yard a few years ago when he called the game department he was past off the three different people there. He went through the *censored* with all.three wildlife people and the third guy told him there are definatly no wolves in that area.
So his reply was the next time he sees a large coyote on his property he was going to shoot them.
Then they guy said if you shoot a wolf it is a crime. The game department had trucks up.& down his road that afternoon and everyday for a couple of weeks.

I dont believe any thing this game department has to say about anything. In my oppinion they are just lieing POS with a political motive.

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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2019, 07:50:14 PM »
I spoke with a WDFW officer a few years ago. He flat out said his department was lying about the numbers and locations of wolves and that he hoped the locals would do what they needed to do. He blamed the biologist and told me the guys on the enforcement end are mostly hunters and don't want wolves around either. In my view the department is corrupt and has zero credibility. Would be nice to see something change but it won't.

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Re: Wolf Prints in the snow
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2019, 08:33:59 PM »
I spoke with a WDFW officer a few years ago. He flat out said his department was lying about the numbers and locations of wolves and that he hoped the locals would do what they needed to do. He blamed the biologist and told me the guys on the enforcement end are mostly hunters and don't want wolves around either. In my view the department is corrupt and has zero credibility. Would be nice to see something change but it won't.
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