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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2018, 04:05:03 PM »
Old Dog that's why I posted the more simple chart earlier... Cause I don't wanna read thru all that crap lol!

B's or b's or E's or e's I just wanna look at the picture and have it tell me. Lol!!!

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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2018, 04:43:31 PM »


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Hmm... My understanding was that chocolates couldn't carry the black gene as a recessive trait cause it's the dominant gene. I easily could be wrong.

I'm just confused cause I believed the above so when you said a chocolate with a black gene I thought you meant they were getting the black from being a mix of lab and something else.

I do know there is an answer cause all the color variations as far as black, yellow or chocolate can be tested for.

Where's WRL? We need the expert!!!



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Gahhh... I shouldn't have even gotten involved in the genetics conversation.  I have no idea if that's possible.
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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2018, 10:23:54 PM »
Yellow to yellow ONLY gives you yellow. If you get a black puppy, you best be either betting on the billion dollar lottery jackpot or asking the milkman for child support.

Chocolate to chocolate only gives you chocolate or POSSIBLY yellow if both are yellow factored. A yellow from two chocolates will have a liver nose and eye rims or more rarely pink nose and eye rims. If you get a black puppy from two chocolates, see above about betting on the lottery or child support payments from the other baby daddy.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "black factored" any color....black is dominant, they are either black or a different color. Chocolate actually mutes the black hence the "liver" color on the nose and eye rims versus the black nose and eye rims seen on most yellows (and all blacks). The chocolate allele and the black allele are the same allele...think of it as two on or off switches. In order for the light to be on, both switches have to be in the on position. But if one switch is on but the other is  not, the light is not turned on. And if both switches are off, its off.

The yellow allele (e) is on a different locus. That is why you can get both black and chocolate pigment on the eye rims and nose.

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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2018, 12:47:06 AM »
Silver is not a registerable color people lie and put it down as chocolate they are not. All silvers can be traced back to 1 of 2 kennels and they also bred Weims. Silver is the dd gene which purebred labs can not carry they are DD non dilute. As for fox red its just yellow which can range from white to fox red. Silvers never showed up till Kellogg and culo kennels lied and forged papers. They also most are affected with painful hair loss alopecia and other health issues. Silvers are not purebred no matter what anyone says.

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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2018, 12:52:44 AM »
Great website to understand hidden genetics. It's easy for breeders to forge papers.

http://www.blueknightlabs.com/color/coatcolor.html

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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2018, 10:17:26 AM »
Easy way to get Silver and Fox red with  white patchs in chest...... be unscrupulous and have a buddy with a weimeraner or a vizla.  The inherited physical looks show you more than paper. Look for longer legs, pointy heads,slimmer build and slightly different coats.

Problem is they are importing thicker English style labs and breeding back to those to hide this. It's called the improvement program in the lab world. This is a very hot topic problem is AKC only cares about the money and refuses to do what UKC does and pull registration papers on these dogs since they were originally the papers were forged.

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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2018, 10:54:55 AM »
Silver is not a registerable color people lie and put it down as chocolate they are not. All silvers can be traced back to 1 of 2 kennels and they also bred Weims. Silver is the dd gene which purebred labs can not carry they are DD non dilute. As for fox red its just yellow which can range from white to fox red. Silvers never showed up till Kellogg and culo kennels lied and forged papers. They also most are affected with painful hair loss alopecia and other health issues. Silvers are not purebred no matter what anyone says.

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Re: Silver labs are not chocolate
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2019, 10:09:09 PM »
No red labs, no silver labs, no blonde labs, no cream labs, no champagne labs, no charcoal labs, no rainbow dream coats.

I just know what I was told from old timers about Carnation Farms kennels. They tested food on dogs, field trial dogs. Some of the old local trainers had some play in the training. They did not breed for color from anything I've heard. Most would have been black being from Bert Carlson and Paul Shoemaker breedings back in the day. Probably nothing newer than mid 1970's. Could be wrong. Just old stories I'm trying to remember
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